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The Vikings Stock Market took a beating again Monday, and Viking investors worldwide are perched on the metaphorical windowsill, ready to jump.  I’m not a trained suicide prevention person expert guy, so if you’re thinking of jumping (metaphorically, of course-- If you’re really suicidal, well, you should  get help…and not be on a sports blog of one of the most tortured fan bases in all of professional sports) let me channel my inner Senator Al Franken Stuart Smalley and try and help you out:

Jump.  Get out.  Kill yourself, from a fan perspective.  You’re not smart enough, you’re not good enough, and everyone hates you.  It’s time to cull the herd, anyway, and I don’t want a bandwagon full of Debbie Downers.  So I’ll slow down to about 10-15 mph, edge over to the side of the road, and you just jump right the hell out and wait for the next Bandwagon bus that comes along.  Ready, ready….JUMP!

Star-divide

Okay, for those of you who are left, lean in, because I want to let you in on a little secret:

This team is going to the playoffs.  There, I said it.*

I’m all in.

*What I said in the post game thread doesn’t count.  The Leinenkugel Brewing Company influenced my thought process.  As a matter of fact, I’ll go delete any incriminating evidence right now while you read.  Carry on.

I don’t know how, I’m not sure if they even deserve to, but they’re going, and it’s going to be freaking EPIC.  The NFC North is about the worst division in football right now, and in many ways the Vikings still control their own destiny.  They have yet to play the Packers or Bears, and have beaten the Lions once already.  They have to sweep both the Bears and Packers, but it’s eminently doable.  The Bears are the worst 4-1 team I have ever watched, and it isn’t going to last.  Green Bay is an injury train wreck right now, and Aaron ‘I can’t get it done during crunch time’ Rodgers might miss a game due to a concussion.  Detroit is still learning how to win, and even though they had a convincing one on Sunday, it was against the Rams.  Yes, the Rams are improved, but it’s still the Rams.  Do that to the Steelers and you have my attention. 

On to the report.

Blue Chip Stocks:

Defense:  Once again, the defense kept Minnesota in a game a lot longer than it deserved to be.  This unit has been taxed early and often so far this season, and they have answered the bell time and time again.  Unlike the offense, defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier has this technique that we like to call ‘making halftime adjustments’, and the runs that were gashing the Vikings in the first half were pretty much non-existent in the second half.  I’ll talk more about the linebackers in a minute, but they were money last night in keeping the Jets out of the end zone until very late in the game.    

Percy Harvin:  THAT’S the Rookie of the Year from 2009 we’ve been waiting to see.  And if Favre makes that late throw on second down right before the game ending interception, I think Harvin is still running.  There was NO ONE around him, as he completely pwned Darrelle Revis on that play.  With Harvin back in his natural slot position and Randy Moss attracting the focus that a true #1 receiver demands, this offense is ready to explode.  After last night, I feel it starts next week against Dallas, and Harvin will be a catalyst.

Chris Kluwe:  Punter Chris Kluwe was once again Minnesota’s most dangerous offensive weapon for three quarters, and his ability to change field position helped the Vikings stave off disaster early.  It’s tough to score on this defense, and it’s hard to drive the field consistently against them.  You can make a case for Kluwe being a borderline Pro Bowler right now, as he is doing all that is being asked of him.

Leslie Frazier:  I worry about 2011 for a number of reasons.  Pat Williams and Brett Favre will retire, there are a lot of contract extensions that need to be worked out for several key players, and Leslie Frazier will almost certainly get a head coaching job somewhere.  Yes, Frazier has talent to work with, but he makes the most of it, and has this defense playing at a very high level.  The Vikings are championship=caliber on Frazier’s side of the ball, and put the Vikings in position to win again last night. 

Zygi WIlf:  What more can you say about someone who I think is the best owner in the NFL?  He cleaned house after the Tice era and brought in a new coach and a new philosophy.  When the staff has said they need player X, Wilf allows them to go get him.  The latest was the stunning trade for prodigal son Randy Moss, who looks great in purple, by the way.  Wilf has done everything in his power to give the coaching staff the players needed to compete and win.  The coaching staff and players need to start returning the favor against Dallas, or this could end horribly.   

Sound Investments:

Jon Cooper:  A couple of weeks ago I lauded the play of C Ryan Cook, and thought he did a good job overall as an injury substitute for John Sullivan.  With Sully inactive again last night, Cook started, and the Vikings offense was downright offensive in the first half.  At halftime, Cook was replaced by Jon Cooper, and the offense came to life late in the third quarter.  Coincidence?  Yeah, to a point it is, but consider this.  The center is responsible for audibling the protection scheme, and in the first half the Vikes offensive line was out of position and not correctly identifying who was rushing and who had the pickup responsibility.  It got much better in the second half, but I imagine altering the playcalling had some effect on that as well.  Did Cooper?  We'll see, I'm sure.   

The Linebackers:  Ben Leber, EJ Henderson, and Chad Greenway all made big plays when the defense needed a lift, and helped to keep the Vikings in a game that could’ve easily morphed into something we haven’t seen since early 2005.  Greenway made some big third down stops on short passes over the middle, Leber was solid in coverage and made one or two key stops, and EJ Henders on absolutely launched himself to take on Shonne Greene and put the Jets in a 3rd and long situation.  I love these guys, and they all bring a different skill set to the table, and they all complement each other well.  I personally think this is the most under rated LB corps in the NFL.

Ray Edwards:  In a season where Jared Allen has disappeared, Ray Edwards has stepped up.  Edwards has been a force from the left defensive end position, and he got a sack and brought consistent pressure all night long.  Ray is one of the guys looking for a contract extension, and I hope the Vikings pay him.  He has come a long way since the Vikings took a fourth round flyer on him, and he seems to get better and better every week.

Junk Bonds:

Brad Childress and Darrell Bevell:  I have three words for you two:  What…the…hell.  There is absolutely no excuse in the world for that kind of offensive ineptitude for that long of a stretch.  You have a HOF QB, RB, WR, and a guy that was the offensive Rookie of the Year, and you forced me to sit through 3 quarters of what can only be described as something a little less painful than the standup comedy of a Dane Cook-Janeane Garofalo love child.  Yes, it was in fact that bad, and that unfunny.  The Jets defense is good, and I expected a relatively low scoring game, especially when you add in the deluge that they played in.  But that looked like a day 1 training camp practice, and for that much talent that the Vikings have, it was a flat out embarrassment.  It’s like Chilly and Bevell went in the Not-So-Wayback machine to the 2006 script of run, run, screen pass, punt, except they didn’t even draw up a screen pass.  Hello?!  The Jets blitzed constantly in the first half.  Maybe a screen pass, which is…here, let me look it up in my ‘Football 101’ book…yep here it is, page 1, right after ‘players must wear a helmet’…which is designed to neutralize a blitz…might’ve worked once or twice.  It’s either stubbornness or stupidity at this point in terms of play calling, and it’s got to stop.  Now.        

Cedric Griffin’s knee:  When Cedric Griffin went down, he knew right away that something was wrong, really wrong.  It wasn’t a look of pain, it was a look of ‘SON OF A…’, like he had been there before.  The word coming out of Winter Park is that it doesn’t look good, and he’s having an MRI today.  It’s a damn shame if it’s the ACL or something as significant on his right knee this time.  He really busted his rear end to get back to playing, and considering he was rehabbing all through training camp, he was playing at a very high level.  We saw a glimpse of how good the secondary could be with Ced, Chris Cook, and Antoine Winfield all in the secondary at the same time, and it was a sight to behold.  Unfortunately, it looks like we might have to wait until next season to get another glimpse.  Hang in there, Ced.  We’re all pulling for you, and hoping it’s not serious.

Jared Allen:  If I could channel my inner Simon and Garfunkel for just a second…ahem…’Where have you gone Joe Dimaggio Jared Allen, oh, Viking Nation turns its lonely eyes to you.  What’s that you say, Mrs. Robinson, Joltin’ Jared has left and gone away?  Hey hey hey…hey hey hey.  Jared Allen’s wife Delilah Mrs. Allen made him cut his mullet, from whence all power and ability to sack the quarterback apparently came from.  It’s a secret, mystical power that should not ever be messed with, kind of like what jersey to wear, where you sit to watch the game, pre-game rituals, etc.  In all seriousness, D’Brickishaw Ferguson had Jared’s number last night, and his early season slump continues.  He’ll snap out of it, but someone keep the scissors away from Mrs. Allen, okay?    

Buy:

Favre to Moss:  A thing of beauty.  Highlight of the season, and came at a time when I thought the Vikings were just about dead in the water, and it completely changed the complexion of the game.  It energized Favre, the Vikings, and the fans, and we were on our way.  Coverage on Percy loosened up, and it was setting up nicely for a great win until…they didn’t win.  Still, I’m very encouraged by last night, and they’ll only get better.

Moss to Favre:  I don’t care if that was ad-libbed or not, it was awesome.  THAT kind of play calling is absolutely kick ass.  The run into Cook’s ass, run into Cook’s ass again, and run into Cook’s ass AGAIN and then punt is NOT.

Run Blocking:  Maybe I’m looking at this line with purple colored glasses, but the ‘woe is me’ attitude a lot of folks have towards the line I just don’t see.  The pass protection was bad in spurts, but the run blocking has been pretty good all season.  Adrian Peterson had 88 yards on only 18 carries, and was generally effective in first and second down at giving the Vikings a decent down and distance advantage.

Chris Cook:  Get healthy soon, Mr. Cook.  It looks like you’ll be starting for awhile.

The Fourth Quarter:  Now that was the offense we saw last season, and it gives you a glimpse of what this offense is really capable of.    

Sell:

Bernard Berrian:  The last receiver to challenge the head coach about his role in the offense was Marcus Robinson, who was promptly cut on Christmas Eve.  Bobby Wade was asked to restructure his contract, which he did.  He was cut a few days later.  The point is that Chilly doesn’t tolerate mouthiness from wide receivers.  He doesn’t even tolerate receivers that do what is asked of them.  Bernard Berrian is a Dead Man Walking.  It’s stupid, but it’s true.  Berrian is a good #2 guy, and could contribute in a meaningful way.  A dime gets you a dollar says Berrian gets cut when Sidney Rice comes off the PUP. 

The First Three and a Half Quarters:  It was the most inept play calling I have ever seen.  Can you, or anyone, tell me what the hell Bevell and Childress were thinking?  The players sure didn’t.  Said Percy Harvin: 

"If we had come out and had some of the play calling we had in the second half, I think it would be a different outcome."

Said Favre (pulled from Kevin Seifert’s excellent NFC North Blog on ESPN):

Favre said he was "thinking aloud" when he suggested that Childress and Bevell were trying to find something that worked. "Sometimes you go in with a plan and it doesn't really work out that way," Favre said, noting the Vikings found a "happy medium" during a second half in which he threw for 233 yards.

So I go back to my point that I made earlier about Childress or Bevell:  It’s either stubbornness or stupidity at this point.  They’re not dumb guys; at least they don’t come off as such.  So it must be stubbornness.  Either way, the maddening inability to change gameplans on the fly will doom this team if they don’t get it fixed.  I’m all about just letting Favre play sandlot football, and see what happens.  It can’t be any worse than that craptastic game plan we saw last night, can it?  Can it?

Favre’s Tendinitis:  Yeah, it was bugging him, but Favre with tendinitis is still better than any option currently on the roster.  No, I don’t think Tarvaris Jackson should start, like a lot of you on the game thread last night, and Mike Florio today. 

Going For Two:  Again, Childress incompetence laid out for all the world to see.  You go for one until you absolutely, positively, have to go for two.  There was almost 10 minutes left at that point, and a one point deficit translates to an 8 point deficit if New York scored again.  Which they did, making the pick-6 a backbreaker.  Had Chilly not gone for two, the Vikings still would’ve had a tall order to score a TD and make a two point conversion to tie, but the game wasn’t out of reach.  And he couldn’t even decide what to do, because he first sent the FG unit out, then the offense, then called a timeout.  And it was a timeout the Vikes really could’ve used late in the game.  It was just a dumbass move all the way around.

Game Ball Goes To:  Percy Harvin and Randy Moss.  Harvin had two TD’s and almost 100 yards receiving, and finally looked like the electrifying playmaker that he is.  Moss had the first TD catch that ignited the offense, and it made the Jets re-calibrate and focus on Moss, freeing up Harvin.

I think the Vikes will get to the midway point at 4-4, and then Rice returns.  It’s going to be a bumpy ride, but it’s going to be a helluva show at the same time.

Keep the faith, Viking Nation, and SKOL!!!

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that was the first three quarters of football for us. I think that Favre needs to take some of the decision making away from childress and bevell because obviously they aren’t doing jack shit.

As for Ben Leber, i think this is one of the worst games i have seen him play in terms of run defense. On all the bigger runs, they usually went to the left, and the runner had a huge gap. And on that right side, it was leber who was biting on the run and not covering his gap which allowed LT to get through. I am guessing this was just a fluke, because i had never seen that from before.

As for Asher, he is getting there. For cooper, Hella of a good job, and we are faced once again with demoting ryan cook.

by muffin man on Oct 12, 2010 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

How about...

…the entire NFC is about the worst division right now. There’s not a clear cut favorite and I’m not buying Atlanta OR Chicago as best team in the NFC even though they are both 4-1. The one thing I love about the NFL is it’s always a wide open crap shoot. It’s not like the MLB where teams buy their ways to championships. It’s about staying within the cap and putting together a talented team, getting some breaks throughout the season and clutching up when needed. The Vikes haven’t gotten breaks, they are very talented and they’ll clutch up from now on. You just wait and see. Wait and see.

by Bboc6830 on Oct 12, 2010 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

And that's a bad thing ? As we wait on injuries and reestablish the Offense .

This is exactly what we need for the NFC . Hard , tough , banged up wars that open the doors of opportunity for a team that lives and dies by the sword .

by gothicpurple on Oct 12, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except there's still the NFC West

San Francisco → train wreck
Arizona → Rookie Quarterback
Seattle → Hasn’t shown up to more than one game
St. Louis → Gave Detroit their first win…

So 2nd worse division in football this season.

by boppitywop on Oct 12, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Play Calling

There aren’t many plays for 2nd and 30. The game plan goes out the window when the players on the field commit unforced mental mistakes over and over; not to mention when they commit unforced turnovers.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Oct 12, 2010 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly...

Veterans too, Jimmy K was flagged 3 times last night. The stupid mental errors and the god forsaken turnovers have to stop. I’ll admit it, after the second fumble by Favre, I was ready for TJack. Not to displace Favre permanently, but just to try something, anything, to get rolling. Fortunately Favre got it going and there is some hope moving forward.

by Runt of the Litter on Oct 12, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

How about putting in T-Jack

Last night they did end up getting it going, but we are still 1 and 3. If you put him in that way you can see if he is truly ready for the high pressure game and if not then I guess we need to get two quarterbacks next year. Also he at least has the ability to run if need be. PS with Moss, Harvin, and AP what Quarter back wouldn’t want to come here?

by Viking_Monson on Oct 12, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

no.

that is all.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 12, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

-7

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Oct 13, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

?

So if our offense has 53 yards in the first half he is not an improvement? Then why is he on the team?

by Viking_Monson on Oct 13, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we don't sign McNabb next year, we'll be in the market for 2 QBs

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Oct 13, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kill the busdriver?

Well, at least Childress and Bevell dodged the predictable-play-calling bullet.

Why would you be running up field as a lineman when you know the first play is a trick reverse with a throw to the quarterback? You were headed up field early to block because you thought Favre—-could—-go—-all—-the—-way???

When you are playing on the road and starting drives largely in your own end, your play calling tends to look much crappier, especially when your players act like you’ve never executed any of these plays before in their lives, which is very likely not true.

Monday morning coaching is a lot easier, since you know the weather pattern and whether you’ll make the two point conversions or not.

by Elgar on Oct 12, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, the call was on Favre. You see, the Klink/Bevell ‘brain trust’ could not bother to check the rules and discover a QB under center is an ineligible receiver for a forward pass.

by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 12, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's how I understood the call as well.

And that really makes me question Chilly’s knowledge of the game.
I wonder how much practice time Chilly wasted on that play….what a fool.

by chaosg on Oct 12, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

The play was designed to be a reverse pass to a receiver not to Favre

Moss threw the pass to Favre because no was open down field. Favre was probably down field with the intention of blocking. It was not designed to go to Favre.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Oct 13, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, but that's the way he plays the game

Always has.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Oct 13, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

The play was supposed to go to Shank who was thoroughly covered. Moss then improvised and threw to a wide open Favre who was actually out there looking to block! A fairly wise move for a non-QB on Moss’ part, not forcing it to the designed receiver.

In all, I have no problem with the play call or execution. It was a fluke penalty that held the whole thing up. I don’t get paid to study this game for a living, but I could have sworn I’ve seen QBs legally catch balls before. Or maybe that was in college.

by Jayrome007 on Oct 13, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

They can as long as the play doesnt start with them under center

The QB has to be in shot gun formation. But as we both noted, this play was not designed to go to Favre in the first place.

Its funny how so many complain about the vanilla play calls, and yet when the coaches open up the playbook, they still get grilled for it by the fans.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Oct 13, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm all for opening the playbook,

but I don’t like our 41yr old QB down field blocking or receiving.

Chilly should have made it clear that throwing to Favre would result in a penalty….Moss should have just thrown the ball away.

by chaosg on Oct 13, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Moss is a playmaker. When the play broke down he tried to make a play. It didn’t work, but I’d take a roster full of guys like him than those afraid to even try.

by Jayrome007 on Oct 13, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Something tells me that

Chilly didn’t know the rule, and that’s why Moss was never instructed not to throw to Favre.
I don’t blame Moss, I blame the HC.

by chaosg on Oct 13, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Childress knows the rule

He would not be an NFL coach if he didn’t know the rule.

It is totally obvious that Favre was not looking to catch that ball. Moss threw it to him and he reacted. I’m sure the design was to have Favre out there “blocking” so the defense would think that Moss was running a simple reverse, thus drawing them toward Moss and away from the receivers downfield.

If players always did exactly what their coaches asked them to do, everyone would want to be a coach.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Oct 13, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

correction

Player down field*. Shiancoe was the only receiver that was down field for a pass. It sounds like a bad design but the exact same play has worked for us in the past.

by Cobra312004 on Oct 14, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the record: Throwing it away still would have been a penalty

Ineligible receiver down field, whether he touches it or not. Only way to avoid a penalty there is to hold the ball, go down and take the lost yards. If Favre hadn’t gone down field looking for a block (or whatever he was doing) then Randy could have thrown it away. In the past, when we’ve run that play, the QB usually blocks the pursuit on the backside.

For my 2 cents worth, I’d prefer 1st and 15 with the penalty than 2nd and 12 or 13 with Moss taking the loss. I’d also prefer if our 41 year old, injured QB would NOT run down field looking for a LB to hit.

by Cobra312004 on Oct 14, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see anyone in the NFC running away with their division right now

Atlanta and Chicago might have the best record right now, but the standings will certainly change in the next three weeks. I imagine come playoff time the wild card will be a great big CF, and the Vikings have as good of a chance (or better) to make the playoffs as anyone not named the Panthers. I see Bboc6830 has beaten me to the same sort of post…so yeah, what he says!

by Tuba on Oct 12, 2010 3:41 PM CDT reply actions  

The coaches are pissing me off

I firmly lay the blame for most penalties at their feet. If Tahi can’t play w/o false starting, then don’t let him play!!!! The play calling—— I have no words to describe how worthless it was… For most of the article I agree with you… I even still hold out hope that our talent can shine through and win the division but….

Going for 2 was the right call. If we make it game is tied. Both teams had good defenses, it is completely conceivable that there would be 0 points scored in the fourth. Do you want to lose because you weren’t man enough to try for 2 ?? really? REALLY?
let suppose we miss and are down 2, please explain how this is any worse than being down one except in the case that both teams score TDs…. well guess what either way you have to go for two one of the times, you just got the info that you failed ahead of time. Now if the Jets score a TD and you go down the field and end up with a rediculous 4th and 13 decision you can decide to kick the FG followed by an onsides kick. if you don’t know yet that you’re 2 pt conversion fails you can’t make that call. You must go for 2 at some point… do it right away and find out what your deficit is afterwords (IIRC 2pt conversion work like 62% of the time in the NFL making it a solid choice anyway).

by zebano on Oct 12, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay srsly

Tahi wasn’t false starting. WHY, I don’t even understand, WHY do the fans lay all of the offensive blame at his feet? You wanna know who cost us with false starts last night? Loadholt, and Kleinsasser. Tahi didn’t. Leave him out of it, geeze. I don’t even know why it irks me, but all the ‘OMG TAHI’ just does. Particularly when its not even him.

by Frost on Oct 12, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Penalties

There were just to many, we would have been in a whole different boat if the first three times the offense got the ball we didn’t dig our self into a 20-30 yard hole. I mean good GOD people lets settle down and pretend we know how to play football. The only penalty I thought was funny and not just a down right disgrace was when Moss threw the ball to Favre who was ineligible as a receiver as he was under center for the snap.

The offensive line was butchered but it was because the Jets were bringing in the house on blitzes and doing a lot of timed blitzes that are looking for a hole to open up then shoot through. Problem is last year Favre would have eaten them because he would call off and dump it to Harvin who would then run the ball for 10 yards.

Play calling in the first half was attrocious, however it was severely affected by the horrendous amounts of penalties we pulled out. Honestly we’re looking like Green Bay out there.

Laslty, our defense deserved the game ball. on the field for 80% of the game and they still hold. Hats off to you boys.

Oh lastly lastly great article man it was the one thing I was looking forward to after the game.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Oct 12, 2010 4:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Fair points about the penalties and the defense

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by Ted Glover on Oct 12, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ted .

This was a well thought out and up beat post . I applaude your resilience thru these programed games . Goodell scripted each and every game we play . And we all saw the potential to lose against New Orleans and the Jets . Miami was the game we all felt should have been won at Home . As the NFCE falls apart . And the always interesting NFCN struggles with injuries . I agree with others that Childress putting the ball in Brett’s hands solely on fourth quarter late drives is maddening . But as we all saw . This Offense has come alive . And we need to win reguardless of injury . Robison ? Sully ? Shank ? Brett ? What’s their statis ? Why do these other Editors never find the answers to the injuries until we bloggers come and report it ? I’m off to prove you wrong on Berrian . I see him as real trade bait in locating a CB . We almost got Alphonso Smith /DEN before DET gave up a rediculous amount for him . Who is out there for us to snatch up ? That’s the question at this point ?

by gothicpurple on Oct 12, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

next time...

we see that play from the shotgun.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 12, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh and I never do understand why people don't rec this.

C’mon people this is gold!

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Oct 12, 2010 4:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Going For Two

was absolutely the right call. I hated that they burned a time out to make up their mind. When a defense is playing great and the offense is downright embarrassing, you have to go for two there. Made it a field goal, giving you a chance to win or at least tie the game. If the Vikings offense was gaining yards at will, then yes take the XP and move on. They were down by 2 with the offense in 2 minute mode. Favre threw a pick.

Skol Vikings!!

by LAviking on Oct 12, 2010 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll agree to disagree

I see what you’re saying, I just philosophically disagree with you.

In my mind, it’s never the right call that early. If you miss, now you’re chasing that point, which what happened at the end of the game. Granted, after the pick 6 it was a longshot, but it would’ve been still possible to tie the game. A TD and a two point conversion would’ve tied the game…if they hadn’t gone for two. They also would’ve had a timeout left, which might have affected the type of play calling they would’ve made.

No, never ever go for two until it’s absolutely necessary, and at that point in the game, it wasn’t absolutely necessary.

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by Ted Glover on Oct 12, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno

I was accepting of them going for it, if only because it ties it up. Yeah, that extra point at the end would have been nice, but in the situation we were at, with the offense finally moving against the D, even with that failed 2 pt conversion a FG nets us the lead. It was the right time for it, I think.

If Favre doesn’t throw the pick-6, then the failed 2-pt doesn’t even matter.

by Frost on Oct 12, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its the Catch-22 loop. They make the 2pt conversion, everyone is a genius and the call is never questioned. Don’t make the conversion and the call is open to ridicule.

by Josh_D on Oct 12, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, an onside kick to start the second half looks insane except when it works and wins a Super Bowl.

Now my rant: Mike Tirico is not and never has been an NFL coach. In 1992, Mike Tirico was suspended by ESPN for three months for unwelcome sexual advances towards female coworkers. People who live in glass houses should leave Favre and Chilly alone.

P.S.: If you haven’t guessed, Mike is a native New Yorker.

by Elgar on Oct 12, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

thats the life of an NFL head coach

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Oct 13, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was the right call...

…if we were attempting it from the Jets 35.

Get real! Our short game was suffering against the JETS and we’ve not been strong in the Red Zone yet this year.

If you want to make an argument FOR going for it… try… build some confidence in the Red Zone… but not for the points.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 12, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed:

There is a so-called “2 point conversion chart” that NFL coaches should use in game situations to help determine if to go for 2. The chart said you should go for 2 when down by 2. Here is a link:

http://www.normhitzges.com/thechart.htm

by San Diego Viking on Oct 12, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought going for 2

was right off the top. I think you ‘always’ go for 2 when you’re down 2 or up 5.

What angered me was the fire drill of “go for 2, no go for 1, no call Time Out!”

That was ludicrous. You have your mind made up before you score the TD which one you’ll do, and you have the personnel ready to go in. You don’t burn a TO on an try, 1 or 2 points, unless it’s the end of the game.

by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 12, 2010 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Besides what others had pointed out, the Jets had 5 FG’s at that point, had yet to put together a drive over 50 yards, and were coming off two straight 3 and outs.

I mean it’s better then going for a 4&3 from the 30 on your first drive of the game, so there’s that.

by d_fens on Oct 13, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course..

our perpetually inept coverage teams, which Klink never seems to be able to fix, bolluxed that right up.

by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 13, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Others

Buy: Jenn Sterger. Somehow, the team must reacquire however much talent she sucked out of Favre…allegedly!

Sound Investments: Deanna Favre’s anger. If only the cheating had allegedly gone the other way, we could have anger management in our favor. Too bad that it’s not really a viable option for our favorite team’s portfolio.

Junk Bonds: Those little yellow flags in the refs’ pockets. The refs allowed a ton of downfield contact between DBs and receivers. (It’s not a valid excuse, though.)

by KC Viking on Oct 12, 2010 6:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Nah.

I’m not into fake plastics. Besides, is there any doubt that she had any motive other than to be an all-out bloodsucker, at least regarding Favre?

by KC Viking on Oct 12, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well this happened 2 years ago

When he was with the Jets, and she was doing “reporting” for them. I doubt she’d try to sabotage her own team :P

by loldotcom on Oct 12, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

she was a playboy spread before the JETS...

No plastics back then…
I can provide a link for consenting adults who are not easily offended and don’t mind spending a few bucks…
If you’re that guy, PM me.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 12, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant

that she always knew that she was going after a married guy to gain something from him, whether reputation, money, etc.

by KC Viking on Oct 12, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you know what you mean?

How was she a “bloodsucker” and how did she “go after” a married man? By all accounts, Favre asked another Jets employee to set up a meeting, to give her his phone number and have her number given back to him.

And then he proceeds to leave voice messages, send texts, etc. Brett started this, he got caught and now he looks like a fool.

He should have known that this chick (or any other chick) had the potential to boil his rabbit whenever she wanted to.

by A Man For All Seasons on Oct 13, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is the reason I don't believe the sexting part of this.

I can totally believe the voicemails were him, but if she did not return any of the attention, I just can’t believe that Favre would be that desparate or stupid to send texts of his stuff.

by bf4mvp on Oct 13, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Favre may have started it, but from his vantage point, all women not named Deanna Favre should be viewed as bloodsuckers.

Last I’d heard, the sexting couldn’t be directly linked to Favre. Has that changed?

by KC Viking on Oct 13, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not bloodsuckers. Sorry.

Deadspin broke the story and they claim that the information they were provided with convinced them that it’s Favre. They have toned down the wording a bit (to avoid legal issues, no doubt) but it’s still all over their front page. It will be interesting to see how far the NFL pursues this.

How can a woman be a bloodsucker if Favre relentlessly pursues her? It’s on him to stay true to Deanna Favre, first and foremost. And Deadspin has a story that he sent texts to two other female Jets employees (including quotes from at least one of them)…..so it shows a pattern of behavior.

Plus the guy was a well known p-hound in Green Bay…..

by A Man For All Seasons on Oct 13, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus the guy was a well known p-hound in Green Bay…..

i hate to ask what the “p” in “p-hound” stands for in green bay.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Oct 14, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pomegranate

He’s a pomegranate hound…very seasonal fruit that’s tough to get in Green Bay.

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by Ted Glover on Oct 14, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would sell.....special teams on the return after the Moss TD

That would have been a nice time to pin them back in their own territory.
Also lack of preparedness in picking up the blitz (first half), play calling and time out management.
I’m glad Childress had two weeks to prepare.

by rancher33 on Oct 12, 2010 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

A game of inches.

It’s just amazing how much that saying is really true.

That final pass to Harvin, was so close to being the game winning pass, or worse case, setting up a Longwell FG to win it.

Had we made that catch, Favre would of looked like a damn saviour again, and life would be grand.

Oh how a couple of inches makes all the difference in the world.

by loldotcom on Oct 12, 2010 7:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Jimmy Kennedy deserves recognition and maybe more playing time.

the man causes disruption in the backfield, and gets the push, that, sorry to say Phat Pat doesn’t seem to be able to as much anymore. Plus, he got a sack, something JA has forgotten how to do.

by Mel Allen on Oct 12, 2010 7:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Kennedy, has a nice role now that’s why I think he’s great when he plays, not sure he’d look as great. Guion had a nice play too I think he’s going to be a solid starter one day soon. I’m not worried about Pat Williams retiring. Our drafting has supplied nice depth there.

by d_fens on Oct 13, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Coincidence...

That all three of those receivers, Berrian, M. Robinson and B. Wade are former Bears.. Was Hoping Berrian got a chance to redeem himself, Greg Lewis caught that pass and seemed surprised he wasn’t tackled right away.. Our O-line played well to me last night.. the blitz pick-up was bad with AP and Tahi blowing it… I think we can fix just about everything but hurting corners and a bad right arm…

by Marvin T on Oct 12, 2010 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

No need to jump Vikings fans...

last night the weather was CLEARLY a factor and I believe that had it been dry you guys beat the Jets.

This next game is one where you will not only have yourselves cheering for the Vikings but us Giants fan as well. Dallas are a bunch of frauds and it would please us greatly if you could smack them down again like you did in the playoffs.

Good luck Sunday and can’t wait to see Randy and Harvin roast the Cowboys secondary.

by sexyscottish on Oct 12, 2010 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Buy

These posts. I really look forward to reading these each week, Ted – well done!

And this literally made me LOL:

Maybe a screen pass, which is…here, let me look it up in my ‘Football 101’ book…yep here it is, page 1, right after ‘players must wear a helmet’

by JasonAve6413 on Oct 12, 2010 11:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Excellent post

I agree with practically all of your assessments but Greg Lewis over Bernard Berrian? I don’t know. He (Berrian) better get it through his skull that no team is going to give him much, but he has a smidgen of talent and Lewis is a non-factor. He had one catch Monday and of course the glorious one in S.F. last year , but frankly I would take Jerry Lewis or Juliette Lewis or possibly even Emmanuel Lewis (if he can jump real high) over Greg. And I live not far from Iowa City and no one ever mentions Chad Greenway, and he’s one of the most hustling muthafos on the team.

by abba7 on Oct 13, 2010 1:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Let BF game plan the next game

There are reasons no one has interviewed Bevell for a head coaching job. He and Childress stink. If they are both fired at the end of the year after a bad season who would hire them? Two weeks to prepare and you open with an illegel play? WHAT THE. Time out to go for 2? Like others have said where is the screen? For for past year and now I have said where is the flee-flicker. Hand it off to AD let him run up a few steps – everyone follows – pitch back to BF and let fly. 4 times a game and you would have 3 TD’s and open lanes for AP to run is someone is going long at the same time. One more ugly showing like this because of poor game planning and it is time for players like BF,Moss,AP to mutiny and go the the OWNER (not media) and say Chilli and offensive coach have got to go. He can cut some players but not others and certainly not a gang. Let Defensive coach be head and let BF be the offensive coach / QB. He already really is. What extra would BF have to do? Nothing. I know it is risky, but we could be looking at the door closing on a superbowl run if they do not. BF also said that WEB has to get on the field. 4 games and ticking. Moss said that he enjoyed working with a HOF QB and coach in NE and working with a HOF QB now. Everyone on this team except the owner knows that Chilli and most if not all of his offensive coaches are frauds. Zygi has done a good job of getting players they want. Chilli and Bevell at least unoffically need to give up their titles and ask BF to plan for the next game. Oh we will be passing every play? I don’t think so, but we will know when to pass and when not to pass.

How bad does an offense have to look for how long and how many stupid ineffective game plans must you have before you admit the offensive staff stinks.

Jared has not had a sack when it has needed in over 22 games. Shut your mouth and get serious. Learn some new moves teams have figured out wide loop man.

by ZygiZag on Oct 13, 2010 1:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Or better yet...

Why don’t the Wilf family hire you to be the coach and sign you to rush the passer? That would solve all our problems.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Oct 13, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That seems like a reach

Moss said that he enjoyed working with a HOF QB and coach in NE and working with a HOF QB now. Everyone on this team except the owner knows that Chilli and most if not all of his offensive coaches are frauds.

Um, there is quite a large gap between not being a surefire Hall of Fame coach (particularly one that is arguably the best coach of the last 20 years) and a fraud. Not saying Childress is a great or even good coach. But that argument is self defeating in it’s absurdity. It’s like me saying that Percy Harvin sucks because he hasn’t been to as many Pro Bowls as Randy Moss. The comparison isn’t valid and so the conclusion isn’t either.

This entire comment is so far beyond anything resembling common sense or reason (or within this realm of reality) that I can’t even react beyond that. NMVike said it well enough already.

by Cobra312004 on Oct 14, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

running the ball

for the life of me i can not understand why we stopped running the ball. That rookie guy didnt do well, flying sauser had penalties that hurt, but i thought AP had a good day going until we went airborne. which if memory serves me, fails…I am no guru, but damn, what part of handing of the ball to AP we don’t understand? AND, why put blocking back on Bretts right side, no one on the blindside?

by horsefly on Oct 13, 2010 1:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Did you watch the game.

Yeah it’s good to let AP run, but does it always have to be on first and second down? How about changing up the play calling a little bit. I am all for letting AP run, but even my cat new it was coming every 1st and 2nd down in the first 2.5 qtrs of the game.

I love AP as much as the next guy, but this is a really good rush defense and they pretty much new what was coming until we started going to the hurry up and started passing more. Sometimes you have to go away from your strength and try something else, they should have done it a little earlier.

by bf4mvp on Oct 13, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

While I have no problem being

run-heavy to start the game. I do think that was excessive. When everyone in the stadium knows what you do, and where the play will go, that’s absurd. You can run the ball often even without it being repetitive.

by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 13, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with the defense knowing what play is coming

They still have to stop it. It’s a matter of execution. If we execute the plays better, most defense’s cant stop us. At this point we are stopping ourselves more times than opposing defense’s are.

Examples:
4 & 2 against Miami, Shank was open and Favre missed him, Miami batted the ball, turn over on downs.

4th & goal against Miami, AP had room around the edge (where the play was designed to go), instead he cuts it up right into a scrapping inside linebacker. Turn over on downs.

2 point conversion against jets, Tahi was open and Favre missed him, threw an INT.

Those are just a few examples of plays that were designed perfectly and called a the right time, the players just failed to execute them.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Oct 13, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with this.

We were predictable a lot of the time last year too but we executed much better. The old cliche is that coaches have to coach and players have to play. This year we’re struggling to execute simple plays so I can’t fault the coaches for keeping the playbook simple. When we start converting those critical fourth and short plays you mentioned or some of the many third and 3-5 situations we’ve been in this year than we can start expanding the playbook. We’ve simply got to execute our short yardage plays better for us to have success.

by CanadianViking on Oct 13, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not arguing that...

but, if they DO stop you consistently, you don’t run the same stinking play the next series. You adjust, you bait them with that play and run a play-fake off it. You fake AD into the middle and run Harvin around the end.

You force them to respect the rest of your offensive talent and then come BACK to that play. You don’t just keep ramming your head into a brick wall over and over again. If you’re executing and they can’t stop you, absolutely keep running.

But if they CAN stop the play, then you try something else and come back to it. I seem to remember that in a coaching manual somewhere…

by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 13, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

BUY

This week vs Dallas, Childress and Bevell finally won’t be the worst coaches on the field.

by d_fens on Oct 13, 2010 10:51 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

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