A WARNING
by viguy007 on Oct 13, 2010 2:20 AM CDT
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It was a good exciting game, the Jets are lucky they won. But the game is over and I have no reason to be here except to warn you of the New York fans experience with PSL’s. I have posted this information on other threads, but included fan rah-rah stuff, which seemed to hide the importance of the warning. If you don’t care about this, it is no sweat off my a$$.
The owners of your team, like the owner of my team, only care about money, and they don’t care what goes on the field except to the extent it affects their pocketbook. Let's face it, we all like to think the owners are fans like us, we both want to win a SB, but their commitment reflects a financial interest which overrides all other concerns. This is particularly true when it comes to a new stadium. We all like shiny new toys, but sometimes the older toys are more serviceable for our use.
Like all older stadiums, I am sure you do not have PSL's now. A PSL (Personal Seat Licence) is a fee you pay in order to HAVE THE RIGHT to purchase a seat, even if you have been a season ticket holder for many years. It effects present ticket holders, as well as new ones. I am a Jet fan, and was a season ticket holder for more then 20 years. I no longer attend Jet games in person, because I could not afford to pay $20,000 for my four PSL’s which was the right to purchase my 4 season tickets. In addition, I would have to pay $4,000 each year for the tickets themselves, as I presently do. I do not mind paying $1,000 for a seat for the season, but $5,000 for the right to buy a seat is a bit much. And the experience is no better; you noticed if you watched the game, there was no roof over our 1.6 billion dollar stadium. Although I will admit the skyboxes are real nice if you have the 100's of thousands dollars to buy one.
A new stadium caters to the interests of upscale fans and corporate clients, for whom the cost is a tax write-off, as a business entertainment expense. The emphasis on an upscale clientele is reflected in the cost of all amenities, from the cost of a Hot Dog ($ 6) and Beer ($ 9.50), to the price of parking ($ 30). A new stadium means the regular, average blue-collar, fan can no longer afford to attend games in person. For less then the cost of one PSL, I have bought a 60 inch Hi-def TV, and watch the game at home with my family and friends. But I still miss the live stadium experience, and sharing it with my kids.
However, there is another worry. The NFL has a rule that if a game is not sold out four days before the game, the broadcast of the game will be blacked-out within a 75 mile radius of the stadium. I live in New York, which is a major market, and the networks have already stated they will buy any unsold tickets so no games will be blacked-out. But games have already been blacked-out this year in Tampa Bay and San Diego. I do not know if the networks consider you a major market.
You are a fan of your team. I am a fan of my team. But we are both fans. Am I bitter about this, yes I am. I am still a fan, and I can no longer enjoy the stadium experience. If you duplicate my experience, don’t cry you were not warned. If you do not believe me, please check this Link out. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/05/14/2010-05-14_woodys_psl_logic_tough_sell.html
We only play each other one time this year, and I harassed you as a fan, before the game. But that was not that important, it was all in good fun. However, preventing other fans from being screwed like me, is important. We are both fans, we are brothers.
The following you may disagree with, I know it will be controversial, but please be open-minded. The owners of Vikings have been trying to get a new stadium for at least the last five years, but in order to do so they need public money. Minny’s government has refused to give it to them. The only way a PSL program could be implemented, was if a new stadium was built. The value of the team would skyrocket. Since the elected government is so resistant, the owners feel their best hope is by using a public referendum.
The best way for the owners and the referendum to be successful, is to have a successful season. That is why they are going all out to reach the SB this year. That is why they offered Favre an extra 3-4 million dollars to come back this year. This year was seen as the best hope to win the SB. Yet, the offer to Favre was made even after the scandal allegations were first made public, on August 6, before the season begun. I believe the owners made no investigation, and the allegations were downplayed (covered up?). It was seen as a case of he-she said, since they believed after two years no proof existed. But, they never looked into the allegations, or contacted her, to see if there was any proof. They did nothing because they did not want to know, and they thought they had controlled the damage. They were confident their contacts with the local media meant the story had been, and would be, controlled. They were not interested in the truth, only their pocketbook. But they had to know if possible proof surfaced, it would cause a scandal, which could ruin the season. It was incumbent on the owners, that when the allegations were first made, a complete investigation should have been conducted. If one had been conducted the owners would have said so, and they would have said the allegations had no validity.
The owners wanted nothing to sully this season, they wanted their star Quarterback who would lead the team to the promised land of the Super Bowl. The owners hoped the "feel good" effect would make a successful result in a referendum much more likely, since not only would football fans support it, but the general public would also. The owners owe the Viking fans an apology for the possibility of a ruined season, which could have been avoided.
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W O W1 U Ar a terrefik writor!!
I hope I am the only one who posts to you – you’re an Idiot! Bet it took you all day to write this stupid ass (possibly a copy and paste). Grow up.
This is nothing more then a warning of what could happen
What happens here does not effect me. As you can tell I do not trust owners of football teams, after my experience. I also think your owner hurt the fans by not looking into the charges. It could have been taken care of quietly and nobody would ever know, Or they could come to Favre’s defense and said they looked into it, and there was nothing to it. The charges were two months old when they finally hit the national media. There was never any need for this to become the scandal it has become.
I don't think he did anything wrong.
Sorry to you viguy007, this is actually worthy of a post.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 13, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Wall street set for record bonus payouts.
The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and the middle class is turning into the lower middle class. In the last ten years 57,000 factories left the US, half of them going to China. By the looks of the election predictions, the voters want more of the same.
I wonder what size flat screen TV will fit into your cardboard box?
As far as Brett Favre goes, the Vikings were close to winning any one of those games. It will be all wins from now on!
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
I see trouble in the Patriots game and one snow game .
Dallas and GreenBay can’t match up . Both teams scored only 7 in our last outing . With a more suspect defense at the time . s for the writer . Even the DN Editors have become traitors and trolls of late . Ted has been upbeat . Gonzo all but missing . And the other with his head in his crotch . We saw our Offense wake up this week against a tough Jets team . Give them a little credit . I see Bernard Berrian wants out . CHI his old team . And CIN his reality TV buddy’s team might want him . He e could be trade bait to a long series of teams . As he is a solid #2 WR . SD still could be in the picture as much as NE . St.Louis needs help along with Washington . And so on …..
by gothicpurple on Oct 13, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was hoping the Patriots would be in disarray without Moss.
Now that they’ve signed Deion Branch, they may be back in business.
Moss will have extra motivation for that game, so I still think we’ll get a win.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Oct 13, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m an advocate of a mix of private funding and some sort of user-tax (e.g., tickets, in-merchandise, maybe lottery), but that’s probably unrealistic.
Personally, I think they missed an opportunity when they didn’t even bother to consider teaming up with the U of M when the initial plans for TCF Bank Stadium were being scripted. Maybe I’m wrong, but I seem to recall there was at least a little chatter about the idea of having both the Vikings and Gophers share a facility, which, you know, makes too much sense considering a football facility has such a limited number of events (and yes, I know they always talk about concerts and the like, but arena-style concerts are still rare). But the Vikings didn’t consider it. (I suspect the Wilf’s want an entire complex, complete with surrounding areas to develop).
Worse, Pittsburgh’s proven such an arrangement works, as the Steelers and the Pitt Panthers share Heinz Field. Heinz Field’s almost 10 years old and was built for $280 million, with the Steelers pitching in about $75 million. Their average ticket price is listed at $70, but that’s about par for the NFL these days. And the Steelers and Panthers have enjoyed much more success than the Vikings and certainly the Gophers, respectively.
NFL as microcosm
Great post, and a real downside to a new stadium. Everytime I file into the cramped concourse of the aging dome I long for a new, modern stadium… and then I realize that when that happens I’ll likely be priced out of it. The NFL has been falling prey to the same short-term greed that has been spinning our country out of control. Increased profit next year is more important than what might happen 10 years down the line. Skewing the gameday experience to the wealthy, pushing for 18 games, actually contemplating a lockout? Can you imagine if they get rid of the salary cap? How they have been able to ignore what happened with baseball is beyond me. Here they are, at the top of the US sports heap, and instead of recognizing what got them there, and digging in for the long term, they instead buy into their own hype and push for the quick buck at the expense of their REAL fanbase. It’s painful to watch from the outside. If the NFL were to put it’s focus on making football a part of life for the common man, making it accessible for the majority, they would cement themselves permanently as the top sports draw in this country, and the money would continue to flow forever.
Yeah, I've worked in some stadiums in the last few years.
Now, it’s all about the luxury suites complete with flat screens, kitchens, nice furniture and good sound systems. Nice, if you can afford it.
In the future stadiums will only have one huge luxury suite, with no other seating, for the one ultra-rich guy that they named the stadium after.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Oct 13, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
By Goodell placing a future Superbowl in Minnie will automatically pay back 1/2 the bill .
200M needs to be fronted by the team . And 200m by the community that benefits from the venture . Nobody in Minnie is calling the Baseball teams new facility a mistake . And those Twins embarassed themselves in their short visit to the playoffs . The same with the Hockey . And again with the hapless Gophers . Ziggy on the other hand has put out 150M in salaries to field a competitive team . Sorry if most visitors to this site and Editors don’t understand how a 16 game season works . When I first came to this site . I brought out the juvenile lack of understandings by this sites leaders . How can you not see the real way these stadiums are structured . The same group that built the foundation for the Twins facility is already gearing up to start ground work . It is all but ready to go . The NFL is on board . And the Governor will deal with the flack . The negative attitudes are sad . Look at the Lions . They may have lost their Randy Moss . And fight to win . But they aren’t throwing their tampons at each other like some of these other bloggers and our lame editors have of late . This is football boys . Toughen up your little purple pussies . Before they get away from you ! Thanks Jethro for not be ing one of them . Like the clown posting beneith us .
by gothicpurple on Oct 13, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
God, I hope the Stadium deal works out.
I can’t stand the thought of the “LA Vikings”.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Oct 13, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand your complaint or Warning
A team owner has the right to charge whatever price he feels the market will bear. A fan has no right to a ticket. In fact you bought tickets for twenty straight years. You were allowed to purchase those tickets. Now, the owners gave you a legal right to purchase those tickets for life. Yes, there was a charge but it guarantees the fan his ticket , for life. PSL’s are not necessarily a bad thing. I feel sorry for you that you were priced out of the stadium. But its not the fault of the stadium or the owners.
The new Meadowland stadium was built with private financing and a 300 Million dollar loan from the NFL. No State money was used in its 1.6 Billion dollar construction. I do believe the State put in some infrastructure but I’m not positive. The point is that because it was privately funded the owners have to get some investment back. So. PSL’s. If the State had kicked in then that wouldn’t have been as necessary.
If the Vikings build a stadium it will indeed have to be paid for. PSL’s might be one way to do that but it is not the only way. State financing is another way. But one thing is for certain. Not building a stadium means the end of Viking football in Minnesota.
So,save your rant for those that can’t lose a football team. For those that live in the largest market in the country. We are not in that situation.
BTW- You obviously do not know, trust, or understand the Viking ownership. But to imply that our owner’s act the same way your owner’s do is a little presumptuous on your part.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
A little more info for you
The man has a right to complain.,.. As someone who has been in BOTH the new Dallas Cowboys stadium ($1.4 Billion to build) and the new Meadowlands Stadium ($1.8 Billion to build) the fans of the Jets and Giants got ripped! This stadium is so far inferior than the new Cowboy stadium it is ridiculous! AND it cost $400 million more to build!… Gotta love union labor!
Head the friendly warning for what it is…. Fans of the Vikings need to understand all the implications a new stadium brings, positive and negative.
Thanks for the comparison.
I was curious how those new stadiums stacked up against each other. I’m not surprised to find NY to be more cost for less money. I suspect the land cost to be a big part of that difference.
But to your other point. The Viking fan can not choose between a new high priced stadium and the old less expensive metrodome. That is the warning of the poster. BeWare. A new Stadium is very Expensive!!! Viking fans need to choose between a new expensive stadium and No football team. That was the point of my comment.
I don’t like the choice. I just feel it is the truth.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Oct 14, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny you mentioned land cost
Actually, the Giants built it on land they owned, right in the parking lot of the old stadium, so no money to buy land was involved. Conversely, the Cowboys stadium was built completely on new land, which they also needed to pay for, right next to the Texas Rangers stadium…. This makes the NY deal even WORSE!
Differences in the two stadiums:
Cowboys have retractable roof and side windows. All seats have leather cushioned seats. Lights, carpeting, mirrors everywhere like a casino. Bathrooms are huge and all marble and have LCD TV’s and sound so you can watch the game as you are disposed. This is in addition to the HUGE screen over the field and two other large screens at the ends of the large one so the side fans can also see. They alos have field level boxes that you can rent to watch the game at field level.
Giants have plastic seats like old stadiums. No roof or retractable sides. They do have 4 large screens in the corners but nowhere near the size of the two large ones in Dallas that stretch from 20 yd line to 20 yd line. Bathrooms are typical concrete stadium type, small, no TV’s, sound only. Urinals are designed ridiculously so that when you enter the door you have to push through the line of people waiting to get in line. No carpeting in halls or mirrors, neon, etc. Everything is painted a dull gray because Jets/Giants couldn’t agree on any other color.
Lastly, I get your point about the stadium in MN. You are right. Stadium or no stadium is our decision. But if a “trave” tax is implemented then this decreases the Wilf’s need to recoup money through PSLs. As I understand it, Dalls has no PSLs but NY/NJ definitely does. All in the funding mechanism so Minnesota needs to fund this stadium and then the fans will not be in the nightmare situation he describes. That is his main point I think, but he didn;t take it far enough to explain the danger of PSLs and what reason they are implemented. In MN we couldn’t handle them as the stadium barely sells out now nevertheless with PSls. Conversely, NY had a waiting list of fans watiing for tickets that stretched years! They knew they could implement PSLs and take advantage of it and offset some of the added cost of the construction. We don’t have a waiting list and this furthers the argument there would be no PSL in MN.
*"Travel tax"
This has been discussed. An added 1.5% would be added to all hotel room nights year round.
LLV, You must
have a high paying job in corporate (read -make things expensive enough that we’re the only ones that can afford it) world, family trust, or maybe you see a kickback from PSL’s.
I don’t understand how a guy rooting for any sports team can take the stance that teams (who depend on public sentiment, as that’s what gets them to spend their money to attend and at the venue) should build at a cost that excludes such a vast majority of America from what has always been family entertainment.
I think the government should start taxing these fatcats for this as harshly as they do ‘sin taxes’. Because if anything is a sin, I consider this to be. I don’t know how long it will be before free network broadcast will stop. That will basically put a huge fanbase back to the ‘golden age of radio’. Big business and overpriced players (it’s rediculous that our president makes far less than any starting player in football, baseball, and basketball. I think the lines need to be redrawn. We wonder why our economy is where it is – this does not help.
BTW PurpleJesus – I am union labor. I can say unequivocally that your judgement of what you deem ‘good’ – and what is truly professionally done to building standards and codes (let alone architectural design that we build from) are 2 different things. I can also say that the cost of materials changes alot, which can change price by MILLIONS. I can also say that I have seen more substandard work (much of which we have are called in to correct) that puts public safety as well as value for the customer (pay to do it twice) at risk. You are correct about needing all the facts.
...Those ''fatcats''
Pay an exorbitant amount of income tax. You can only squeeze the rich for so long. But that isn’t football so lets just drop it.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 13, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
C'mon man. What fun would droping it be?
From around 1944 to 1963, you know, the “good old days”, the top tax rate was around 90%. That kind of rate sounds crazy to me, but somehow there were still rich people and this country went on to become the economic powerhouse of the world. Now, with the help of a lot of self serving politicians, we’re about to hand that title to China. If anyone in Washington DC had any balls, they would pass laws that would make it a lot harder to move factories out of the country. We need good paying middle class jobs and the economy isn’t coming back until that happens.
By the way, the rich are getting richer. It’s the middle class thats getting squeezed.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Oct 13, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
You'd have to show me
the tax records to make me believe that. I hear too often of rich people who pay less % than work a day folks, because of the depth of writeoffs and loopholes that politicians have written into law for PAC $.
I simply cite you to this UN study
US number 3 in the World in gap between Rich and Poor
Here are a couple of other interesting facts:
1. As of the end of 2009, less than 12 million Americans worked in manufacturing. The last time that less than 12 million Americans were employed in manufacturing was in 1941.
2.The United States has the third worst poverty rate among the advanced nations tracked by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
3.Today, the United States spends approximately $3.90 on Chinese goods for every $1 that China spends on goods from the United States.
4.The United States has lost approximately 42,400 factories since 2001. Approximately 75 percent of those factories employed at least 500 workers while they were still in operation.
5.The United States has lost a staggering 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Oct 14, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks LLV.
4.The United States has lost approximately 42,400 factories since 2001. Approximately 75 percent of those factories employed at least 500 workers while they were still in operation.
5.The United States has lost a staggering 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000
These 2 stats come courtesy of our government. Giving companies that have 75% + of their money sucked up by the owners and the boardi sn’t enough for them. They blame the wokers fo their ‘loss’. Their problem will lie in that there is no cheaper labor to opt for at the point their pofits ae again not enough to appease their level of greed.
You may say this isn’t football, but it runs side by side in the ‘values’ category…
jshep..
Sorry if I insulted you but the fact is Union labor added millions to the cots of the stadium. If you saw the two stadiums, you would know what I mean…. The Giants and Jets got ripped off.
As for quality, I am sure the stadium in the Meadowlands is structurally sound. I am also sure that the Dallas stadium is as well so your argument about this holds no water wwith me…. To further that point, the additional engineering costs for a retractable roof and sides in Dallas makes me believe the Dallas stadium had far more enigneering for safety than the Meadowlands.
I am not pro/con union labor. I will say it is a FACT it adds cost to every project to the tune of about 30% depending on area of the country. I do a lot of professional services work for Public safety agencies all over the country and can unequivically tell you the SAME quality $3M job in Cincinnati (union labor) costs 33% more than the same exact $2.3M job in Greenville, SC. The only difference is union labor versus not… It doesn’t involve different materials, it only involves payrate difference. Now, good or bad, I’ll let everyone make their own decisions.
Thanks for that, bro.
Just pointing to what i said, I didn’t say ‘different materials, I said ’differing costs of materials’ as things can go up significantly, as well they fall off. Not as the only reason,of course.
The fact above concerning the gap between rich and poor is something unions have always fought to reduce. In a comparison between football players (who are union, yet noone thinks they shouldn’t be that I’ve heard) and say, iron workers – are they paid equally in terms of life risk? I consider that infinetly more important than ‘stats’ that mean nothing to a widowed worker. Things are messed up in this country as far as finding a way to have monetary balance by making sure the ‘gap’ doesn’t widen.
The Warning is clear
That the new stadiums come along with new mindsets about how seating is sold/managed. It’s something I’ve already been concerned about, basically because I spend a LOT of money on my seats/parking/food/drink/gear already, and the idea of having to dramatically increase that to continue to see live pro football troubles me. I think you are wrong that the poster being priced out of the stadium isn’t the fault of the owners… It is directly their fault, they set the pricing. That being said, you are correct that it is their RIGHT to do so. It is. What I lament is that they choose to do it. If the lifeblood of football is a full, vibrant stadium, I worry that the NFL is hitching it’s hopes to the wrong horse. When the team tanks or the sport gets stagnant (Lockout, no salary cap creates ‘football Yankees’), it’s the fickle rich who will leave. The blue collar die-hard that cooks brats in the parking lot and shows up every Sunday win or lose is the guy whose money they can rely on.. I absolutely think they should have fancier seats that cost more money, and that they should court the rich and their exorbitant spending habits, but not if it means pricing out the rest of us.
Good Points
I didn’t mean to come off in my comment as an elitist or wealthy man. Nothing could be further from the truth. But I do ( at least I think I do) understand business and how they are run.
Here is the main fact:
The NFL is the only Sports franchise that receives the majority of its income from TV and media. That money however is shared equally among the owners. The individual owners can increase their profits with stadium revenue. A Stadium is limited as to how many people it can hold. So to justify the cost of building one each seat ( only used 10-12 times per year) has to maximize its potential. In other words the owner has to get as much as possible out of that seat.
That means luxury boxes and as many prime seats as possible. In a market of 15 Million people the upper income folks are plentiful. The average New Yorker will be priced out of the market because the owners believe that is where the future lies. The new stadium is designed to give the fan an experience he can’t get at home. People that can afford this experience won’t go unless its special, comfortable, and glitzy.
The days of sitting in an uncomfortable stadium are gone because all of us can now afford a big screen Hi-Def TV. My living room is comfortable. It is a nice experience.
In order to keep the price of the ticket low the owner has to invest less. The way for that to happen is for the State to kick in and help build it. Either with tax breaks, cash, or loan subsidies. If less is invested then an owner can charge less. Smaller markets with smaller stadiums and less affluent fans have to have this subsidy. At least until all the larger markets have a team of their own.
The Giants/ Jets owners are lucky. They have split the cost of a stadium. They double the use of the Stadium. They have many seats. They have a large market.
Minnesota is planning a small stadium ( 60,000 seats) in an average market ( 3 Million people) and will only use the stadium for a few games per year ( 10-12). Any one who believes that an 800 Million dollar stadium used 12 times per year will be built without a large increase in ticket cost is just not putting a pencil to the problem.
But if Minnesota doesn’t do it then one of the other average to large available markets in the Country will do it. My point is that this is reality. Not some “state of denial” where everyone believes the NFL of tomorrow will be the same as the NFL of years gone by.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Oct 14, 2010 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks much for a
deeper understanding LLV. I get all your points. The only thing that isn’t discussed is how much profit the owner(s) seeks/ gets. Yeah, free enterprise is the heart of it, and the is upside, but also the downside to our world because of greed. Insurance is right at the top of this business practice.
I think at this point my concern about where TV pay per view are closer to real than a distant possibility. Also, if the owners want a writeoff (and the league as well), maybe they could set a # of tickets for a lottery type giveaway for underpriveledged. The idea of ‘everyday people’ not being able to be part of the live NFL experience becomes one more thing gone from what has made America great.
The future for the NFL.
I think the league is at a turning point. It is obvious they wish to go Worldwide. Teams in Mexico City, Toronto, London, and maybe Germany look likely. Large cities. Large markets. Big TV and Media revenue. All of this is possible if they ever have homegrown talent. Its a ways off but that is what they are thinking.
I agree with you that NFL on pay per view is coming. Direct TV proved people would pay for it. People sitting at home watching a game on a 3-D big screen . Choosing which camera angle you want to watch. Coaches view, wide screen, end zone view?
As soon as the owners are willing to give up those huge network TV deals then they could go with a cable feed just like Direct TV.
But would NFL on TV be successful without local stadiums? It certainly is the business risk that the NFL will face if it decides to price the fans out of the stadium.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Oct 14, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I hear you
A big part of my frustration is the Gopher stadium. It makes sooooo much sense to have them continue to share a venue, especially given the lackluster nautre of UofM football, but the U continues to put prestige and their market value above what’s good for their students and the state. Yes I’m bitter :)
I spent too many afternoons in a broken desk, sweltering in no AC during summer session, while the construction crews worked outside to build an alumni memorial walking path worth tons of dough.
I don't get it either.
I have never understood why an NFL team and College team can’t share. More uses, more revenue, lower ticket prices. Apparently there is some loss of revenue to each party. Otherwise, I’m sure more teams would do it rather than everyone getting away from the sharing concept.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Oct 14, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
very bold post..
nice post.. except all that bold made my eyes about as bloodshot as they were when i got home from the game @ 1:30am ;-)
psl’s seem totally unfair..but the owners take into account things like what they forecast the max they can charge.. if they dont sell at first, they drop the price some..and eventually they sell out..
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
the annoyance of PSLs
The first thing to understand is that when you buy a ticket to an event, such as an NFL game, what you are buying, legally speaking, is a license. A “license” is a form of property right. It gives you the right to occupy such-and-such seat during the game or event. It only goes so far, however. If you break the rules that are set, as per the license agreement (or contract), such as by standing and yelling obscenities non-stop or throwing snowballs or starting fights, you can be removed from the stadium. Your license (or ticket) is revoked. Thus, your property right only goes so far.
A PSL is a license to buy a license. In other words, just to buy a ticket, you need the PSL for it first.
It used to be that when you bought season tickets to the NFL, or baseball, you would automatically have “first dibs” on buying the same season tickets for the next year. Now, with PSLs, you have to pay for that right separately, when you used to get that for free along with your season tickets.
So in other words, they found something that fans wanted, and we’re getting as part of a package with something else, and priced it separately.
It does raise potential revenue, but the owners are risk a backlash by doing this.
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- Erin Andrews reportedly dating ‘Gossip Girl’ actor Chace Crawford, who also happens to be Tony Romo’s brother-in-law
- Madden ’13 will include ‘Tebowing’
