Week 5: What We Learned
The Vikings suffered their third close, disappointing, heart-wrenching loss of the season in four games before most of the free world on Monday Night Football. Minnesota sits at 1-3, just a half game ahead of the lowly Lions and two and a half games behind the first place Bears. The freaking Bears!! While it’s not time to start jumping off any cliffs just yet, it’s safe to say that this week’s game against the Cowboys is a lot less NFC Championship Preview and a lot more the 2010 Panic Bowl. We’ll get into Sunday’s tilt later this week–for now, let’s focus on what we learned from the loss in New York.
NFL games consist of four 15-minute quarters. League rules allow you to score in all four of them.
This is blatantly obvious, but I’m not sure if the Vikings’ offense is aware of this fact yet. Minnesota has scored seven points in the first quarter this season. That’s one scoring drive out of ten first quarter possessions. They have failed to score first in any of the four games this year. In scientific terms, that ain’t good. The Vikings must set the tone early on in these upcoming games or the season is just going to get worse.
Randy Moss is still really Freak-ing exciting, and he’s going to help this team. A lot.
Moss made only four grabs in his Viking re-debut, but his impact was tremendous throughout the game. (Well, at least after the offense woke up a bit.) The touchdown grab that finally kicked off the scoring made me feel like it was 1998 all over again. It looks like Percy Harvin may be the main beneficiary of Moss’ presence after racking up 97 yards and two scores. Adrian Peterson racked up a rather quiet yet impressive 88 yards against one of the league’s better defenses even though the Vikings were throwing the ball and fighting to come from behind most of the game. I just hope we start winning real soon; as we all know, an unhappy Randy is no fun for anyone.
Brett Favre is going to be Brett Favre, for better or worse.
I’ve said this a ton of times already, but we simply cannot expect the 2009 Favre at any point this year. He’s going to make a lot of "oh my God!" throws–the good kind and the bad kind. He’s going to get way too much attention from the media no matter how the rest of this season goes. He’s still going to make us love him one play and loathe him the next. For me, the only alarming part of Favre’s play has been his inaccuracy on some of the easier throws. The way he sailed those passes to Harvin late in the fourth quarter before throwing the game-ending TAINT (Touchdown After INTerception…copyright Bill Simmons) has to make you think that maybe that elbow really is bothering him.
The defense has been outstanding without making many outstanding plays.
The Vikings have sacked the quarterback only six times so far–tied for 28th in the league. They have forced a mere five turnovers. So how the hell are they not getting lit up? To be honest, I’m not totally sure. I think it comes down to crisp execution and coming up big when they need to. The D was put in some pretty awful situations in the first two and a half quarters, yet yielded only four Nick Folk field goals. That said, Cedric Griffin’s season-ending injury is pretty devastating. Lito Sheppard was picked on quite a bit after Griffin went down. I think we’re going to need a lot more big plays in the upcoming games to help fill that void. And, you know, maybe even score a couple touchdowns while the offense is still trying to pull their heads out of their collective rear ends.
We ain’t dead yet.
Starting 1-3 is never a good thing–no arguing that. The 2010 season couldn’t have started much rockier both on and off the field. But there is another thing you can’t argue about this team–there’s still a Peter North-sized load of talent here. If the Vikings can finally figure out how to play like they’re capable of for 60 minutes–not 25, not 40–there’s no question that the Purple can go on a run and get into the playoff hunt down the stretch. And from the looks of it, nobody’s going to run away and hide in the NFC this year. There are a mere two 4-1 teams (one of which is the Bears, still a total fraud in my mind) followed by a heaping pile of parity. Nine wins probably gives you a great chance of making it to the dance this year. Does anyone doubt the Vikings’ ability to go 8-4 or better down the stretch? I certainly do not.
Yet, at least. I guess we’ll have to see what we learned after the Dallas game.
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He're hoping we start turning it around this weekend against the cowboys.
The wife and I are making the trip to Minneapolis to see the game, so I hope it’s a good one :).
He are??
lol! gotta give you a little c’rap about that one!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 13, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
is that a donkey call?
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the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Oct 14, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
After Cedric's injury,
they also picked on Asher a lot too. When does Cook come back?
Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....
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by blackjackfishtaco on Oct 13, 2010 9:49 PM CDT reply actions
Cook
He’ll be totally fine. He’s a big, physical corner that covers very well and hits like Winfield. When he’s back, I’m going to be more than happy to have Asher as a backup along with Shepard. We’ll miss Griffin and I feel for the guy right now, but let’s hope he can work equally as hard this year so he’s back at full strength next year. Overall, I’m not fretting too much about our CB position.
We know he's a solid CB (so far)
Question is when will he be a solid CB on the field…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
The Offense hasn't learned much.
They’ve had the same problems for the last 4wks.
The O-line and the Receivers are inconsistent. They have way too many fumbles, INT’s and penalties for any offense to be successful.
The weakness in the D is the same as it was last year. They have a weak secondary, and they play too soft.
They’re strong in both redzones, but they give up everything in between.
I think the D is solid, but they need an offense that can move the chains, score a few points early in the game, and not turn the ball over.
If the Offense doesn’t start playing better, I think we’ll start seeing more injuries on the Defense.
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Our passing D is 7th in the league in ypg?
If anything the run D is faltering more than usual, and is down to 14th in the league.
Misleading stat
We are ranked much better than usual in Passing YPG because we have been trailing for almost the entire game, each game (except for a half against Detroit). When that happens, the other team tends to run more and attempt to pass less, in order to burn clock.
That is why our passing D stats are inflated. By the same logic however, that is why out Run D stats are a bit worse than usual; in the past when we were winning games, teams would abandon the run, while this year they are running more because they are leading in the game.
Well in that same vein I would state
and I don’t have data on this but I would easily beleive that our D has to have been on th efield about the longest of any D in the NFL…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Yahoo isn't sorting it right
But the offense is averaging exactly 30 minutes, which is middle to upper part of the pack.
The Bills look to hold that distinction with the D on the field for 34:59 on average a game.
Teams aren't really blowing us out.
Most leads have been 1-2 possession leads. I doubt they would abandon the pass with that ‘lead’ :P
I really don't think we can be picking on our secondary right now
They are on the field an awful lot. And we still aren’t giving up many TD’s at all. Also as has been stated the amount of yards we’ve given up is pretty scarce as well. Hell this defense was on the field for about 90% of the first half and only gave up FG’s then at the end when we needed to hold the line we did giving the offense a chance to come back with TWO minutes to get it in gear… Sorry man I just can’t bash this D in any way.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Peter North sized load, that's a good one
I think if the Oline could start opening up some Ginger Lynn sized holes, Peterson could go crazy out there. :)
Ba-zing!
I’m always a fan of mixing in some adult film star references!
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by Eric J. Thompson on Oct 13, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Peter North? I don't get it.
I just hope Favre can get his tight end what he needs. If Peterson has a hole, he can get up there so fast, even Brett can’t get a photo. Meanwhile, the Williams brothers better get off the Love Boat and start closing some holes, or the Sowboys will jam it through those gaping, sodden gaps. And the right OF better start getting AD some openings, or he’ll get nothing, all day! Blue footballs!
+9
…inches
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by BranFavrenton on Oct 14, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew that reference would bring out the best double entendre jokes in you guys!
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by Eric J. Thompson on Oct 14, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
if you can drop porn references, i should be able to cuss
its not fair!
/pouts like a child
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Oct 15, 2010 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions
At least
we’ll be that team that is on the hot streak coming up to the postseason. We will be firing on all cylinders by that point.
8-4 the rest of the way?
I’m not going to think about that too seriously until Monday. If the Vikes can beat the Cowboys and 4 other good teams (and by that I mean 5 wins vs. any combination of these: DAL, NE, GB, CHI, NYG, WAS, PHI), then my optimism will return. So far, the team has gone 0-2 or 0-3 against good teams, there are only 3 relatively easy games left on the schedule (ARI, BUF, DET) and there is a QB quandary brewing. That’s all we know so far.
Energize
After seeing the Vikings defense come up with turnovers and interceptions against the Lions, it was disappointing not to see the same ball-hawking against the Jets. Plays like that help energize the offense too, and sweet mercy do they need energizing.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
Lets get Tjack in there for some plays, Like the Jets did with Brad whats his name.
The old man could use a play or two off here & there. If his arm gets any worse we may be better off with out him. Hell he may even get suspended before the seasons end for showing off his junk. Well he ain’t John Holmes that’s for sure.
What we have learned
Memo to Brad Childress: It’s not all that complicated. If you’re calling the plays, keep the ball out of Bret Favre’s hands and into AP’s! Give the ball to All Day and get the hell out of his way. Tell the O line to block like they never have before and “eventually” the passing game will open up. Otherwise, it will indeed be a very long season!
by jjlovesfootball on Oct 14, 2010 9:31 AM CDT reply actions
The Vikings' Season CAN Still Be Saved...
…but that does not mean this Vikings’ season WILL be saved.
I’m late to these discussions in the wake of the Jets loss, so I’ll summarize my $.02, based on this and other threads.
1-3 is a serious hole to start a season, like it or not. And I still believe the Favre Situation is going to affect the season, and not in a positive way. How big an impact it has remains to be seen.
I am also not impressed—like pretty much everyone else—with Bevel and Childress’ handling of the offense. For these reasons I am not jumping on the “7-3 in six weeks!!!” ship.
On the other hand, the Vikings have Favre, Moss, and AD. If Bevel and Childress cannot figure out how to put points on the board for the Vikings with that offensive combo they deserve to be fired.
And yes, the Vikings still have seven divisional games remaining, with two each against a suddenly vulnerable Packers squad and a soft Bears team.
I will also point out while the Vikings are 1-3, and a loss is a loss is a loss so far as the standings are concerned, all three of those losses were winnable. If the Vikings had been dominated and blown out by the Jets and Saints on the road, and the Fish at home, I would have written this season off for sure.
So, I think we learned last weekend, and the weekends before, that this Vikings team can win big games, but has not been able to actually do so. They can turn this season around, but they have little margin for error remaining.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 14, 2010 11:26 AM CDT reply actions
Great stuff
One correction: only 5 division games left. But I totally agree with your assessment of the teams currently ahead of us in the NFC North.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Oct 14, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Brain Fart
I have absolutely no idea where I came up with the “seven division games left” figure.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 14, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
well hell
We will persivere I completely believe this. The only thing that shakes this, is Favres elbow. If his throwing arm is having issues I can see us losing a lot of games. If he can’t get past it. If he can’t get past it I believe we should put TJ into games. If Favre wants to start that’s fine to keep his streak alive whatever. We just need to get his elbow better, I don’t know if that’s three weeks of ice and not playing or if it’s just not possible during the season, but if it is possible then yeah I think we need to rest the man.
I really don’t wnat to make it to the play offs only to either have to play TJ, because Favre is injured, or play with Favre injured and we lose out because of that.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I think we are going to get a good dose of TJ this year...
probably sooner rather than later… and I hope to hell he is ‘adequate’.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 14, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
TJ
I think you’re probably right, as I suspect Favre will be missing some snaps in the next couple months.
/deliberately vague’d
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 14, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions

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