Stock Market Report, Week 6
There were a lot of subplots to Sunday's game against the Cowboys. It was the return of Randy Moss to the Metrodome, a depleted secondary that is barely treading water, and an offense that can't find their rear ends with both hands, much less the end zone. But the over riding theme was desperation. And not just your run of the mill, 'I need to marry my assistant or I'll get deported back to Canada' desperate like Sandra Bullock in The Proposal, but a 'I need to cut off my own leg with a pocket knife or I'll die here in this canyon' desperate.
For awhile, it looked like both teams were willingly going to screw up enough to let the other team win, but eventually the VIkings quit being gracious hosts and won the game. The Beloved Purple improved their record to 2-3, and started to right the ship. With losses by both Chicago and Green Bay, the NFC North looks like The Division of Misfit Teams, and if the Vikings can go into Green Bay and win next week, it's a whole new ballgame. If they can just hold on loosely through the next few weeks and don't let go, they should be okay.
Hmm...it seems to me that there's a song with lyrics like that.
Take it away, .38 Special:
If you cling too tightly, you're gonna lose control.
Stock Market Report, after the jump.
Blue Chip Stocks:
EJ Henderson, LB: Last week I said that I wasn't sure how, but the Vikings were going to the playoffs, and it was going to be epic. Henderson's performance against Dallas was the foundation to said epicness. He had two huge interceptions that lead to Minnesota's first TD, and their game clinching FG. He was all over the field, and it was apparent that at times he was carrying the defense on his shoulders. Oh, and if EJ Henderson was stuck in a canyon, he wouldn't panic and cut off his leg, because it's titanium. EJ Henderson is Superman.
Percy Harvin, WR/KR: Remember way back to 2009 when every time Percy Harvin touched the ball you thought he might score? I kind of got that feeling back last week against the Jets, and now it's all the way back after the Cowboys game. Just like the Jets game, a Harvin score reignited a moribund team and a moribund fanbase.
Antoine Winfield, CB: Is there a better tackler in the NFL? Don't answer, because that's what we like to call a 'rhetorical question', or one that isn't required an answer because said answer is so obvious. No, no there isn't a better tackler. When Winfield moves in to make the stop, the stop is made. If he's the only guy between a stop or a score, it's a stop. Always.
Sound Investments:
Brett Favre: Finally, Favre played a mistake free game. He was charged with a fumble, but replay showed that was clearly on Adrian Peterson. He didn't have a great day, but made a nice TD throw to Greg Camarillo and got on the same wavelength with Randy Moss.
Favre to Moss: No touchdowns this game, but Moss moved the chains and made some big catches, especially to open the second half. Moss is the security blanket that Favre didn't have, and it's going to pay off big.
Jim Kleinsasser, TE: He's not pretty and he's not silky smooth, but Jim Kleinsasser is 270 pounds of moving badass. He's more like a pissed off Hippo who has had his territory invaded, and someone is going to pay. He's been a great role player for the Vikings who has never sought the spotlight, and he's made more clutch catches for the Vikings in five games than he did all of last season.
Asher Allen, CB: Pressed in to duty because of injuries to Cedric Griffin and Chris Cook, Allen did okay. He broke up a couple of passes, made some nice tackles, and most importantly, wasn't Lito Sheppard. Allen is a good nickel back, and if Cook comes back healthy next week the Vikings secondary will be all right.
Junk Bonds:
Lito Sheppard: Speaking of Lito Sheppard, he's terrible, just terrible. His legacy of terrible in a Vikings uniform rivals the French Military, and he's done. He can't cover, he can't tackle, and he can't get out of his own way.
Bernard Berrian: Berrian's name was mentioned once on Sunday. He committed a penalty that negated a big play. $16 million guaranteed...for this?!?!?!?!
Frank Walker: Newly acquired Frank Walker's name was called once on Sunday, too. He also committed a penalty. If Frank Walker had to guard Bernard Berrian, they'd call offsetting penalties of Ass on every play.
Buy/Sell:
Buy:
Ryan Longwell, K: Watching the early games today I got a sense of adventure when watching other teams kickers trot out on to the field. Just for the record, that's not a good feeling to have with your kicker. I don't have that with Longwell.
Defensive Line Pressure: It's been spotty this year, but I thought the front four did a good job of harassing Tony Romo. Jared Allen didn't register a sack, but he was bringing it from the outside from early in the second quarter on.
Greg Camarillo, WR: Camarillo caught his first TD pass as a Viking, and it seems that he is slowly but surely supplanting Bernard Berrian. which I think we can all be grateful for.
Defensive Halftime Adjustments: Dallas gouged Minnesota with screen passes and off tackle runs early in the game, but give credit to Leslie Frazier. he turned that spigot off in the second half, and Dallas had a lot of difficulty running the ball for the final thirty minutes as well.
Adrian Peterson's Angry Running: Peterson converted every short yardage situation, including a goal line TD. Hey, did you notice that when you run between a hall of famer and an All Pro on the left side, there's a hole so big Johnny Wad couldn't plug it? Touchdown, Vikings. So why, again, did Chilly run right on the goal line against the Dolphins? Just asking...
Sell:
Third Down Backs, Except Percy Harvin: Okay, I was wrong. I thought losing Chester Taylor would be a loss, but not a complete void. Wow. Toby Gerhart and Albert Young just aren't getting it done, and you can't leave Adrian Peterson on the field every play. It's a troublesome development, and I don't see any improvement around the corner. But when they lined up Harvin in the backfield on third down and gave him the ball, good things happened. Hmmmmmm....
Visanthe Shiancoe, TE: Has Shiancoe caught a pass since week 1? This was a guy that was a borderline All-Pro and Favre's favorite red zone target last year. The only thing I can think of that is more ineffective than Shiancoe right now is a condom with the end cut off.
The Vikes Are Out Of It Meme: 2-3 isn't great, but at least we're not Dallas fans right now. Chicago is the worst 4-2 team in NFL history, and the Packers might have too many injuries to overcome. Packer week starts even before you started reading this, and a win in Lambeau leaps the Vikings ahead of the Packers into second place, with two games against Chicago still on the books.
Keep the faith, Purple Nation. This was a big win, and the division is still wide open. And when you look around the rest of the NFC, there is no team that is running away with this thing. The Vikes will be in it at the end.
Like Winston Churchill famously said, this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. And this beginning has sucked.
Uh, that last sentence was mine, but you probably knew that.
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Another good piece
Man, I love reading these stock market reports! Keep them coming.
It may take a village to raise a child, but it takes a Viking to raze a village.
I would just like to add
Fire Chilly!
He’s uncreative, unimaginative, and boooooring. My grandmother could call run, run, pass all day long. And tell McKinnie to man up – he’s 6’7" 350lbs and he plays like he’s afraid to hit a guy. No enthusiasm or fire at all. Jared Allen should teach classes to the O-line.
Not sure I'm entirely with you on Favre...
There was a few sacks yesterday where he just needed to get rid of the ball and his confidence still seems to be low. There were hardly any deep balls thrown and again a couple of missed slants where Percy could have possibly taken it to the house.
He’s the greatest confidence swing player in history though. When he’s got his mojo working there are few finer sights. Let’s hope he continues along this path with the rest of the team.. :)
gack...
I dunno… maybe he forces the throw… maybe he throws the INT…
He had more sacks yesterday, but fewer INTs (0) too. sometimes, you gotta take the sack…
or throw it away.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 18, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah,
I saw people were mad at him taking that sack to end the first half, but that was probably the best option. Just run out the clock and let Percy tie it in 15 minutes.
Oh and the lack of any deep threats, I think it’s obvious that Favre is still bothered by that tendonitis and that is a good enough reason for me not to chuck the long ball a bunch of times.
Skol!
by Thor.in.your.side on Oct 18, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
If Favre makes that Moss TD pass
or rather, Moss makes it. Would we still be questioning his deep ball ability?
No, it really wasn't the best option at all
He was out of the tackle box, he could have tossed that ball to the sideline with no penalty. That was easily in field goal range. Instead, we lost the opportunity. Maybe that’s not the sack you were talking about though, I dunno. I try to forget that first half.
I don’t think its the targets or tendonitis preventing Favre from throwing the deep ball either. I think its the offensive line. Seemed like the Cowboys were ALWAYS in his face whenever we tried throwing it.
Not the same sack
He’s talking about when we had about 15 seconds left at our own 40ish yard line. Favre went back for a hail mary pass, was sacked and we let the clock run out on the first half.
Greate piece
I would have to agree with Ragnar though. I think that you might want a to place a sell on Chilly and Bevell. Our O line needs to step up a bit more as well in pass protection, but the major thing is our back needs to not release as quickly as they are. Count to three then release out as a route runner. We are getting hammered on delayed blitzes because the backs just aren’t good enough to spot it. Oh and how about K-Sauce in the back field yesterday? Going back to fullback for a while?
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Looking forward to watching this game
I was out of town for the day, didn’t get a chance to see it, so hopefully I can d/l it tonight :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Junk Bonds is too good a term for Lito
Tear up the paper or wipe your …….. well you know. Send him to the team you hate the most, just get him off the field. If I had been the cowboys coach, I would have thrown at him everytime he was on the field. That last TD especially was bad. It was third and eleven knock the ball down you were in position for the first time all day. And BTW, the one time I noticed Albert Young in the game he missed a blitz pick up. He actually did not even look to his left to see if it was coming. Why can’t our coach’s teach this fundemental skill. BF did hold on to the ball a little longer, but jimmney cricket pick up the blitzer and he will find our receivers.
Other than that great article except you forgot Chris Kluwe (not sure about spelling) he was a blue chipper yesterday
by SouthernNorseman on Oct 18, 2010 8:17 AM CDT reply actions
The RB's seem to be going out to quickly
They wait for about a second to look for a block then head out to be a check down for Favre. You can’t do that, you’ve got to stay in there in case you end up having disguised blitzes coming in from the outside. I would have them do a silent count to two or three and then head out in their route.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Do the coaches read these comments? Maybe they should...
REALLY, because blitz pickup problems didn’t start with this game. Why haven’t the coaches made the adjustments??
And putting K-sauce in the backfield is top rate suggestion, too.
If I were a coach, I’d read every one of these blogs and the comments. Okay, some of our comments would raise their hair. But having the perspective of another 200 sets of fairly experienced football eyeballs that watched the whole thing on TV could be, well, PRICELESS.
If the coaches read this site
and actually do what we suggest, gentlemen, we’re screwed.
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by Ted Glover on Oct 18, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
unequivocably
How do you spell that? I will say this very few of our suggestions are decent. Most of them are way to radical to work and others are just plain retarded. Nah the coaches most certainly don’t need to read this sight, I for one have no illusions that I would do a better job than Childress, Bevell or hell anyone else for that matter. I do think that teams have realized our backs do go out quick and are disguising the blitzes on us.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
+1
But… if they did… would we all be in line for some assistant coach’s pay? Cuz then, I’m going to have to go -1 and unrec that post.
ha...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH….
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 18, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Love the write up!
So glad to have EJ back! Makes a big difference in the quality fo our defense. Also looking forward to Chris Cook coming back as Lito is not even college caliber.
Favre definitely looks afraid to get hit, and maybe rightfully so. Our blocking on blitz pickups definitely shows how much we miss Chester. Wonder why we don’t try and swing a trade for Westbrook since SF isn’t using him and he is beginning to let everyone know he isn’t happy. I realize we aren’t going to give away much since it would be a 11 game trade, but why not the 7th rounder we picked up from NE in the Moss trade. 7th rounders are simply practice squad players and SF isn’t using Westbrook anyway.
Sell: Bernard. Geez! What a horrible penalty that almost killed us. Very surprised Chilly didn’t rip him off the field.
Buy: Greg “Caramello”. Why doesn’t this guy get more plays on offense? No fricken creativity. Put Percy in the backfield (which I love) and then put Caramello in the slot. along with Moss and BB. How would defenses play this???? They would definitely have to play 2 men deep for the risk of BB and Moss and Caramello and Percy then have single coverage, one of which is a LB.
Best part of this 2-3 record:
We’re only a game and a half out of the top seed for the NFC playoffs right now, and only one back in the loss column. It’s amazing that every team in the conference has at least two losses already. Hooray parity! Hooray beer!
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by Eric J. Thompson on Oct 18, 2010 8:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
First, let me say I think you made a serious omission leaving Kluwe off the buy or “sound investments” lists. that final punt alone should earn him that. Punters rarely stand out in a game, we should not fail to notice when they do.
Jim Kleinsasser, TE: He’s not pretty and he’s not silky smooth, but Jim Kleinsasser is 270 pounds of moving badass. He’s more like a pissed off Hippo who has had his territory invaded, and someone is going to pay. He’s been a great role player for the Vikings who has never sought the spotlight, and he’s made more clutch catches for the Vikings in five games than he did all of last season.
Yeah, that dump he took from favre when he got rushed late in the fourth on a 3rd down, then ran for a first, may not have resulted in a TD, but it moved the chains and ate up more clock (I think that was the circumstance?) Of the plays that were not turnovers or scores, that was a key one.
Regarding Longwell, I also like his reliability, but one thing I wish we could see still is a little more depth on kickoffs.
Regarding AD, I’m surprised you made him a :buy." I thought of him more as a sound investment. He had decent runs, not really much for great ones though, and the fumble (which is on him, I think we all agree, except the scorekeeper) kinda negated any of the “great” there was, leaving us with “ok to good” IMO.
Regarding Chester, I would like to be glad to see every finally come around to my POV in the spring that his loss was a major impact — it was equivalent to losing a starter the caliber of Sidney, not merely a “backup” — which most people pish-poshed, except unfortunately the only way I got to be proven right was by things going so much worse on third down this year (last year, as I said in spring, we were either #2 or #3 in league in converting 3rd downs). I would have rather been proven wrong than right, but the silver lining is, hopefully now some folks give the man more credit than they had before. The guy doesn’t toot his own horn, but he has a very valuable horn to toot if he chose to.
Praise for the punter
Yep, Kluwe was worth mentioning too. Between the directional kicking and the hang time he put on those punts, it helped the rest of the kicking team to get down field to make the stop.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The only reason Chester Taylor was considered #2 on the depth chart is because “3rd down badass” isn’t an actual position. I knew from the start he was going to be a major loss- I got some hopes up with Gerhart till preseason. Don’t get me wrong, I think the guy’s got talent and potential, but it might be a while before we see that developed.
As for the fumble… I think I have to disagree with the majority here. From what I saw, his arms were open at his chest, and Favre put it into his stomach… below even his bottom arm. Granted, it would have been nice for Peterson to have quickly adjusted to made the hand-off anyways, but there is a TON of force behind that guy when he’s charging, and I don’t know how easily he could have made the adjustement, at least without stopping. To me, it was a correct call in assessing Favre the fumble.
I did and I'm not ashamed to admit it
I love Sandra Bullock, and it was funny.
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Special effects get boring after a while.
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by JethroBoViking on Oct 18, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
It was actually Bette White
HAWWTT!!
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by JethroBoViking on Oct 19, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Not Out Of It
I am still not ready to embrace the “7-3 in five weeks!” meme, but I feel better about the Vikings’ chances than I did last week. Had they lost to Dallas, I would have declared this season over.
Green Bay and Chicago have as much to do with my improving outlook as anything the Vikings did on Sunday. Chicago was the softest one-loss team in the league, and proved it yesterday. Green Bay was the bigger threat to the Vikings to start the season, but they have some injury issues and unaddressed problems, which cost them the game to Miami yesterday.
I am by no means ready to hand the Vikings the NFC North, but the race for the division is much closer than it was just twenty-four hours ago.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 18, 2010 9:12 AM CDT reply actions
Shades of Smoot?
As I watched the God-awful Lito Sheppard during the game yesterday, I could have sworn that Fred Smoot was back in purple. How does he manage to ALWAYS be at least 2-3 steps behind the receiver? Simply dreadful.
"Bibbity, bobbity, bacon!"
by Adrian Thompson on Oct 18, 2010 9:34 AM CDT reply actions
The most amazing part
Is that they ran the exact same play for their first two TD’s to Williams. On a related note, why was Lito Sheppard being allowed to cover Roy Williams at all, much less on two TD’s? That’s just an obvious mismatch.
Lito should be covering 4th WR’s, not #2 guys.
He was starting
so it was Roy Williams or Miles Austin.
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Pick your poison there...
Neither was a good fit. :p
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
He shouldn't have been
I can’t imagine Asher Allen would have done worse. He shut down Dez Bryant just fine.
I'd prefer to see them cling very tightly to their playoff chances and TAKE control of their season.
…and don’t let it slip away.
Kleinsasser: This guy is better than Tahi. The coaches must consider Tahi the best and/or fastest run blocking FB in the game in order to justify so much more playing time than Kleinsasser, who is more versatile and paid over $3M, so he may as well see more time on the field.
Also sell: Childress and Bevell’s offensive plan. Even with Favre (now with Moss) having a great day with a must-win game on the line, they predictably ran on 1st and 2nd downs and threw on 3rd downs. AP managed only 3.0 ypc, and Favre was only allowed to attempt 19 passes? Especially with the Dallas D getting flagged in the secondary so often?
I’m not on the Gerhart bandwagon, but he did gain 4 yards the only time he was called upon to do anything. There really weren’t many 3rd down back situations in this game.
As for .38 Special, sure they were cheesy, but at least the guitar solo was very musical.
Did you get it wrong on Shank?
Just wondering because it is my understanding that he has been blocking for Favre all the time and hence the lack of catches.
Strongly Agree re: Shank
It looked like Shank has been given assignments to help out with the line to give Favre more protections, and either this week or against the Jets, he’s had some solid blocks on run plays for AD or Harvin. (I may be making this up, but I think he was also credited with a good block on a punt return at some point…pls excuse me if I’m spacing and he doesn’t play on the return team…).
Obv. for a 40-year-old QB one "protection" isn't enough...
…so he may in fact need “protections”. =P
Also meant to say that I thought this was otherwise a great post, Ted.
I agree that Favre should get props for playing solidly this game. Except for taking the sack instead of figuring out a way to get an incomplete on the 3rd down that pushed us out of FG range I think in the 3rd Q., he was great in being ruthlessly efficient and restraining his wilder gunslinger side; that ad libbing to Kleinsasser when he had to pick up the bad snap was awesome too.
Sound Investments:
Madieu Williams :He made several key tackles yesterday.
Special teams in the second half: Percy’s KOR and 2 great punts by Kluwe and subsequent coverage sealed the deal yesterday.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Madieu Williams
is NOT a good tackler. While he may have made some tackles on Sunday, he’s not good at it. He leads with his head WAY too often (he’s already got at least 1 of those personal foul penalties called on him for leading with his head against a defenseless WR). Plus, he seems to be following Darren Sharper’s rules of tackling – he’s going for the big hit, not to just wrap up. Watch Antoine Winfield tackle. That’s how you tackle.
WR, CB, K & P of the Minnesota Machine
Madieu Williams :He made several key tackles yesterday.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
how was
Kluwe not given a “blue chip,” or at least a strong “buy” after last night. that was a great performance by a punter. he pinned Dallas deep all day long. and especially pinning them at the 4 when we really needed it. helped our defence by not giving dallas short fields to work with and probably saved us at least 1 or two field goals by dallas that could have changed the whole complexity of the game.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
BUY
Chad Greenway
How about the alligator arms he caused on that 3rd down play that forced Dallas to punt with 2:42 left in the game?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Excellent article Ted
This is a little off topic Ted but you did make a reference to Winston Churchill. There is a website called “Badass of the Week” – you really should check that out. – One chapter is devoted to Churchill and it is one of the most hilarious reads ever- I think you’d enjoy it. – Bring on the Pack!
The greatest generation had Churchill, but we had Don Rumsfeld.
The following quote could apply to next week’s Packer – Vikes game.
" There are known knowns. These are things that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know."
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Oct 18, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Good one. So true.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Oct 19, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Records be damned, it's PACKER WEEK.
and not a moment too soon. Residents of Green Bay——best lock up yer wives and daughters, cause the Vikes are coming to town.
you know they’re quaking in their boots over there—-they’re decimated by injuries on defense, offense doesn’t scare anybody, special teams are the laughingstock of the NFL, and they all remember that the Vikes swept em last year WITHOUT MOSS—quite possibly the greatest deep threat in the history of the NFL.
Moss loves playing there——is gonna light it up again. Let the pillaging begin!
Walking wounded
The Packers roster is getting so thin I find myself wondering who they have left to lose each week. With the Vikings first team players matching up with a battered or inexperienced Packers team…well, there is the potential for match ups almost embarrassingly in Vikings favor. And I’m okay with that.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
Yes, but they still have all of their (very good) receiving corp & their quarterback, and we still don’t have 2 of our top 3 cornerbacks. So there are some match ups that may be embarrassing in the other direction.
If we ever needed Jared & Ray Ray to turn things up a notch, it will be this Sunday. I’m praying they have the Packers’ O-line’s number again! We have to NOT give Rodgers time to throw, or we will be stuck relying on our offense (which to this point has been a consistently bad plan for winning).
Actually
Their #1 receiver is Jermichael Finley and he is out. And Rodgers may be playing but he still has a concussion. And no matter how you spin it, their passing game is less effective with John Kuhn and Brandon Jackson splitting “carries” in the backfield.
Cook should be back this week (he was a game time decision this week) so that will be a VAST improvement. I think the Cowboys don’t score more than 13 if Cook was playing.
I was talking about wide receivers; Finley is (was … he’s on IR now) a tight end.
Rodgers was fine yesterday, the concussion had no effect, and he will continue to show no effects next Sunday.
I’m not sure why, but even if all of that were relevenat, you’re ignoring my point that the Green Bay offense is still in better shape than our offense. Not on paper, but in the real world. And yes, even when you factor in the run game.
Fortunately, our defense is in better shape than theres, so it may all even out. But that is what I was trying to say — we are better off relying on our defense to keep the score down, not on our offense to put the points up.
Of course Finley's a TE
Yes I know, but Jermichael Finley was the teams leading receiver when he went down is what I’m saying. I don’t care what position he plays, if you lose the guy that is catching more passes for more yards than anyone else on your team, that’s gonna make a difference.
As to Rodgers being “fine”, I have to disagree. He got a concussion a week ago so it definitely didn’t have “no effect”. Concussions don’t really work that way. But if you think that a season low completion percentage had nothing to do with the bleeding in his brain, I don’t know what I can say to convince you. I’d also argue that the season high number of sacks he took were at least partially due to the concussions slowing his decision making, but that is certainly debatable. Could also just be that their running game isn’t scaring anyone anymore and teams are selling out on their pass rush.
But yea, I don’t think I’m ignoring your point that Green Bay has a better offense, so much as I simply don’t believe it’s true. Over the last 3 games, the Packers have averaged 20.3 points per game, while Minnesota has averaged 22.6 points per game. And before you say Harvin’s TD shouldn’t count, remember those numbers also include Charles Woodson’s interception return against Detroit (the one which ultimately is the reason the Packers still have a half game lead on the Vikes and was the only score the Packer made in the 2nd half of that game). Yardage wise, they have outgained us by an average of just 45 yards during that span. They’ve allowed 11 sacks in those 3 games (including 9 in their last two games), while the Vikings have allowed 9. Perhaps most importantly, we are 2-1 over those 3 games and they are 1-2 (including that squeaker over Detroit).
Ok I don't think your watching the same games I am
I didn’t see much of an issue with Rodgers, as well, he and Jennings had an excellent day this weekend. Trying to understate Rodgers abilities is, well not being realistic. Rodgers still has solid WR’s and on his own is a serious menace. If Allen and Ray get the same amount of pressure they have been getting we’ll be in some serious trouble. Without Finley I think we’ll see less short little passes and that will probably allow us to get an extra sack or two.
Unfortunately their run defense isn’t that bad. Their pass defense is pretty shredded right now as long as Mathews can’t play. If he’s in this week we’re going to be in for some heat. Honestly Favre is looking as much at his line as he is downfield. That can only be because he doesn’t ‘trust it. We need to get our line in better shape so Favre doesn’t feel he needs to shift his eyes every fraction of a second. Yeah Green Bay’s D is nicked up, but honestly every week I watch our offense take the field it looks like a train wreck waiting to happen.
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Not understating anything
Rodgers is one of the best QB’s in the league, there is no question. I’m just saying if he was actually diagnosed with a concussion and they were talking about whether or not he would play, it’s not realistic to say it had no effect on his play. Concussions don’t just go away in a week.
My point is that Green Bay’s offense is banged up (don’t forget Mark Tauscher is hurt too) and are really a shell of the offense we expected out of the preseason. They’ve been shut down by lesser defenses the last several weeks, and I imagine that will continue through the season with no running threat. Their entire offense is on Rodgers and his 3 WR’s at this point (and his banged up O-line protecting him). For my money, they should be more worried about our defense than we should be about their offense.
As for Green Bay’s defense, their rush defense is currently 21st in the league (lowest of any defense we’ve played not based out of Detroit) so I’m not too concerned about that (particularly with the recent loss of Barnett). You’re right though, a lot will depend on whether Clay Matthews plays this week, or how close to 100% he plays if he does. They aren’t the same defense (against the run or pass) without him.
Yeah, I watched Packers two of the last three weeks. You cite their statistics for those games, but I watched them. ANd I did not see with my own eyes, the things you are using statistics to try to claim. Couple Packer receivers dropped some crucial balls, but (other than being able to deliver when it mattered most, in the cluthc at end of game/OT), Rodgers overall has looked better than Favre, and Packers pass offense overall has looked clearly better. I think their real problem is they can’t run, and at some point give up even trying much, and let the opposing O key on the pass every play.
I will trust my own eyes, thanks.
Why does Kluwe always get neglected!?
He won us the game yesterday!
Other than that, really good stuff here… I would definitely say our defensive team’s tackles yesterday were easily sound investments.
Skol!
by Thor.in.your.side on Oct 18, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
Actually Gonzo gave him a lot of love I see in another post. So he is getting it elsewhere at DN, if not Ted.
I did see that.
But I guess I expected to see his name in the stock report.
Skol!
by Thor.in.your.side on Oct 18, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Good post on the stock market.
This stock market report is a good weekly article and I look forward to reading, keep up the good work Ted. Love the Kleinsasser explanation. Hard to beat the work ethic on the field of Jimmy Kleinsasser. Always like watching him being from North Dakota!
Fact.
You can substitute K-Sausage in for any Chuck Norris joke ever told.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 18, 2010 1:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Surprise
Mr. Glover, aren’t you just full of surprises referencing a chick flick :) Nice post. I was so surprised and amused by your description of Kleinsasser as a pissed off hippo that I almost choked on my Dr. Pepper.
Definitely think Kluwe should have made it to the Buy section of the report. His directional kicking and hang-time helped the Vikings pin the Cowboys into crap-tastic field position pretty consistently. But, overall, special teams did a good job yesterday.
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Fantastic point on Harvin
At the start of the season some mentioned putting Harvin in the backfield on 3rd downs and I really didn’t like the thought since he was clearly our #1 receiving threat. Now that we have Moss out there plus Shiancoe and Camarillo he can move to the spot and really do well.
The only question I have is how did he block in the situation (couldn’t watch after the 1st quarter)? He is a smaller player and not really someone that I’d want to see blocking blitzing LBs too often as he is too important to the team.
Don't underestimate how tough PH is.
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Not underestimating it
Just don’t want to see a dynamic WR injured while blocking. Though I guess the same could be said for Peterson so I am fine with Percy doing it as long as he actually does a good job when asked to.
Honestly
I don’t think they kept him in to block once. He always was going out for short passes or screens whenever they lined him up there.
Percy as a 3rd Down Back....
It’s been bugging me since Sunday….who was that little scat-back we used to employ back in the late 90’s who always seemed to make a third down conversion whether lined up in the backfield or as a sneaky little slot guy…
I want to say David Palmer but that doesn’t sound right. Anyway, that’s what Percy reminded me of on Sunday. If teams are just going to house-blitz us on third down, and our RB’s can’t pick them up…we have to change our game plan to allow for more screens and swing passes in a create way. Good things happen when Percy touches the ball. Gerhart and Young just seem to either run right into a pile, or totally miss their assignments.
Case in point: 3rd down, blitz coming, Albert completely mis-identifies who he is supposed to block, instead panicking and releasing past the line of scrimmage while his guy wraps Brett up. I wish I had a clip, it was so obvious he was lost on the play.
I dig these Stock Reports, always a good read.
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Yes, Palmer
I also remember him as leading the league in punt return average…
But only because he also lead the league in fair catches since he refused to return one that would only get 5-7 yards.
We also used Palmer in an early version of the Wildcat back in '98
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I really liked the way Bevell took it rather easy Sunday, so that we did not have to hear Keith Brooking whining about those mean old Vikings running up the score on some poor, defenseless team from Dallas. Hope Keith truly enjoyed the display of hospitality and good sportsmanship afforded him this time around and that he feels much better now.
You really have to hand it to them there Cowboys, who despite last week’s penalty still thought they were playing in the world leap frog championships.
I don't get their players.
You’re getting slapped with tons of penalties, then you go and do that in the endzone?
Jeez.
God forbid I should EVER defend the Cowboys
But I’ll be honest, I am mystified about the two Excessive Celebration penalties the Cowboys have gotten the last two weeks. They seem extremely arbitrary.
What kinda message does it send that James Harrison goes out of his way yesterday to flatten a Brown and gets no flag at all, but when a Cowboy player jumps over a teammates back — instead of just onto a teammate’s back, which happens all the time in the NFL, or say jumping into the stands, which we also know happens a lot in some places — it warrants fifteen yards?!?
I know we benefited & all, don’t stare a gift horse in the mouth, yadda yadda, but … come on. Sometimes these rules make me puke.
Well last week it wasn’t for being “excessive”, it was because the offensive linemen “went to the ground” during a celebration. It’s the same penalty they threatened Jared Allen with. Frankly, I think that is more ridiculous than the one this week because the offensive lineman was literally flagged because he lost his balance.
But I agree. Especially when Harrison says things like he’s “trying to hurt people”. That definitely reflects a harsher image on the league than leap frogging during a celebration.
This just in!
Apparently the penalty was not on Miles Austin’s leap frog.
According to Wade Phillips, he was told by the head of officiating today that the penalty was because Roy Williams and Leonard Davis flashed the “”http://blogs.mix947.com/files/2010/01/matthew-mcconaughey-hook-em-horns-121706.jpg" target="new">hook em horns" sign after the TD.
Seriously?
Man, that’s even worse, actually.
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Chickenpoop? Yes.
I’m sorry, but football is an an emotional game, and something like that seems like a spontaneous celebration. Now the Fun Bunch stuff with the Redskins back in the day, yeah. But c’mon, use a little judgement and have some latitude. Just as silly as penalizing Jared Allen for his sack celebration.
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Agreed but
I still think the flag last week was more ridiculous. I just don’t understand how someone can stand on NFL Network and say “If he hadn’t fallen down, we wouldn’t have flagged him”. If a player loses his balance during a celebration, that costs his team 15 yards? Absolutely ridiculous! That’s the same amount you’re penalized for penalties that exist solely because they are prone to causing catastrophic injuries (horse collar, chop block, etc.). Something is very wrong with that.
Oh, and a correction. It was Sam Hurd that flashed the sign with Roy Williams, and it was Sam’s part in the celebration that caused the flag. I had thought it was Davis because he is the only other Texas alumni on the roster.
Agree 100%
THe NFL is really getting out of hand with their arbitrary assignment in penalties.
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I did like how they shook the ref's hands after that though
I thought the penalties came because you can’t do a celebration with another player. So handing the football over to someone else to spike and leap frogging are both multiple person celebrations and so can be called. Personally I think the whole thing is sheerest stupidity and this kind of thinking will be what ruins foot ball in the end.
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Can't defend Dallas...
…but especially considering we did jack-crap with the free 15 yards, I feel pretty safe in saying that call was BS. But then again, I think damn near any excessive celebration call is BS. I mean, if you use a prop, or if your celebration is running in excess of 5 minutes, OK, you’re an idiot. But otherwise, dammit, let the players enjoy the game!
by KJSegall on Oct 19, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Multiple players in a celebration
There are lots of things you can do with 2 people. Players can jump into each others arms, chest bump, hand the ball to another player to spike and yes, apparently even leap frog someone (VP of officiating said that was absolutely not a penalty) just to name a few. It’s a team sport so forcing players to celebrate by themselves would be extremely counter intuitive.
The problem comes when there are 3 players involved at the same time or if the refs have reason to believe that it’s a planned, coordinated celebration.
I think Brett Favre is due about 1000 excessive celebration penalties for jumping on back of the scoring player (500 for his 500 TD throws, another ~500 for celebrating a run TD with the back), and just about every TD scored by the Packers in the last 15 years is a penalty, with the Lambeau leap.
Seriously … the Lambeau leap is only a “wonderful tradition” because it was started 15 years ago, before all these rules. If LeRoy Butler was trying to start it today … it would be a penalty I bet.
Yeah, that was one of Colombo the previous week was the truly ridiculous one.
I’m not saying what they called on them in the MetroDome was not also ridiculous, but … the call on Colombo has set the bar real, real high on the claim of “most ridiculous referee call.” The only way the refs could beat calling a penalty on Colombo falling down, is if they called a penalty on a celebration off the field entirely.
AD went to his knees after his touchdown. No flag.
I gotta agree with Puddn on this one. The penalties for excessive celebration are so subjective it’s ridiculous. I have no problem with any endzone celebrations (although Joe Horn and the cell-phone went a bit too far maybe) and kind of miss the 5 player “bomb-drops” and mass high-fives.
There’s something to be said for the way Barry Sanders carried himself…“act like you’ve been there before”…but there’s also something to be said for remembering that it’s just a game in the long run.
you're right
Didn’t notice it before but he did drop to his knees after his TD. Not sure why that wouldn’t have been flagged. All I can think is that maybe it was too close to praying? They said they won’t flag any religious expression. Or maybe the refs just didn’t see it for some reason (even though there is a ref walking past him to pick up the ball). Good catch man.
You're right
Going to your knees as a prayer will not be flagged.
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Actually...
correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s because the NFL DOESN’T want prayers to be involved in celebrations is the logic behind the ‘no knees on the ground in celebrations’ rule.
Nope
They’ve explicitly stated that going to your knee to pray after a TD will not be flagged. This country kind of frowns on rules that limit religious expression.
From the Cowboys website:
The NFL states no player can go to the ground in a celebratory manner, aside from a prayer, which Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was allowed to do in Sunday’s win over the Cowboys
I have no idea what the actual reasoning is on the going to the ground rule.
Was Peterson's celebration a prayer?
It involved shooting two victory signs. (or were those peace signs?)
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by JethroBoViking on Oct 19, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
rays of light...
it was symbolic, man!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 20, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea I don't know
The replay showed him doing…whatever it was with the fingers, but it cut off while he was in that pose. I didn’t notice it during the game when they might have shown more. For all I know, he busted out a Eucharist right after that so who knows?
Interesting. So teh famous “snow angel” that the Patriot player made during their famous playoff win at Foxboro about 8-10 years ago … that’s now not a “classic moment,” but a penalty?
Jesus I hate this micro-management of emotions rule crap. George Carlin was right, they are trying to make football a cold, sterile tactical battle, not a game played by passionate, excitable men.
I can promise the NFL
and anyone else who has been in battle will promise you, it is anything but sterile. The gamut of emotions that go through you as you are killing while someone is trying to kill you is the rawest of emotions.
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clarification
I was not saying battle is sterile. I was saying that those those that are trying to manage this one (an NFL game) seem to be trying to make it a battle that is sterile (not that all battles are sterile).
Besides, although I have not served as you have, I do have close friends that do, including a Lt Col in Marines & a Capt in Air Force. And based upon what they have told to me I think they would support me in saying that as commanders they actively try to minimize the emotions their men operate under, to what extent they can. In other words I am not saying that combat is unemotional, but I am saying that commanders see advantages in trying to minimize the amount of emotion involved in battle.
This is exactly what I am saying about the NFL. Not that the game is NOT emotional, but the exact opposite, that it inherently is, very much so, but the “commanders” are trying to banish that emotion. For much less useful reason than military commanders have to do it.
Yeah, I know you were
no worries. And yeah, keeping your emotions in check is preached, but it’s way easier said than done.
Which is why I think the NFL excessive celebration rule is so asinine. You can usually tell when a guy is celebrating from joy as opposed to being a jackass, which is why I think they should give players some latitude.
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While this pisses me off
the new NBA rule that accesses technicals is even worse.
Re: Longwell
I have to agree. You know your kicker is automatic when he trots out for a 40+ yard field goal and you find yourself thinking “I hope they don’t block it”. Longwell is as solid a kicker as there is in the game, especially these last two years of terrible kicking around the league.
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That right there alone was worth the price of admission. Love getting these reports. Keep up the great work.
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Early Overseas trading in Hong Kong has the following:
BLUE CHIP: Chris Kluwe, P: Have you ever been in a situation at work when you do something really, really dumb, and it looks like it the boss is going to find out and fire you for it? Like, for example, you write a manifesto on how lecherous the sports agent business is, and you put your 3 AM tome in everybody’s mailbox at the hotel your staying at? But then your best friend is the first one up, sees what a dumbass you were and gets every single copy of your screed and shreds it before anyone else can read it? (Yeah, didn’t happen in the movie, but follow me here).
That’s Chris Kluwe. The offense writes some diatribe on how cool it is not to be able to move the ball, and then puts in in the mailbox of the defense. If that was the end of it, the offense would be fired, would miss out on an awesome threesome potential with a smoking hot redhead. and end up with a dumpy version of Renee Zelwiger while having to play Dad to a kid that’s got dwarfism and will never amount to anything in sports because he’s the future Mayor of Munchkinland. You become an old, bitter, alcoholic, and your stepson hates you because you never accepted him for who he is.
But Kluwe’s there to flip the field position for you, and it’s all good. You don’t get fired, your redhead freak of a girlfriend likes the experimentation with another chick so much it becomes a regular thing in your life, and you become the most powerful sports agent in the world.
All because of Chris Kluwe.
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LOL
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I had a room mate in college that actually pretty much happened to.
His wife still invite other girls over. I hate him SO MUCH!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I guess your wife invites other guys over?
Sorry man. Bummer.
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