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NFL To Suspend Players for 'Flagrant Hits'

This is a tricky subject to me. I was curious what my fellow Viking faithful thought, so I wanted to start with my thoughts and conclude with a poll.

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On one side of the coin is the desire to keep the best interests of the players at heart. It's the side of me that makes my heart sink when I see a player go down and not get up, even if they are a Packer. It's the side that struggles to remember that there's so much more than a uniform and a number to these human beings, these people with families and lives that will stretch beyond the football field for years past their time on it.

Obviously we are all learning more and more about concussions and the devestating effects they can have on a person's body and mind, and that's just the 'king', if you will, of the multitude of serious injuries that players can suffer on a regular basis, even multiple times in a season. And while the glorious quarterbacks often become the focal point, leading to the changes of rules regarding how and when you can hit a passer (our own ironman Brett Favre was addicted to pain killers earlier in his career, and it's becoming a believable possibility that concussions caused Kurt Warner's odd period of unproductivity between his glory years as a Ram and Cardinal), but I've also heard countless stories from the unsung heroes and the struggles they endure; typically, these are linebackers, on either side of the line of scrimmage, often unknown of outside their team's fanbase, and quickly forgotten upon retirement. Some of these guys' stories are truly horrific. And while a professional football player, even on the bottom end of the payroll, makes far more in a year than most of us can imagine, it becomes a poor trade when they only recieve that amount for 5-10 years, and then face 20-30 years, and often more, where the medical bills annually can EQUAL what they used to make. And linebackers don't get Wrangler commercials to help pay the bills once they're done on the gridiron.

Certainly, there is a strong part of me that wants to make sure I remember these are human beings, really at the core often no different than you or I, and I don't want them to be treated like animals, tossed out to dry when their time of entertaining me once a week for 16-20 weeks out of the year comes to an end. And for this reason, part of me understands and agrees with the new rules coming out, regarding helmet-to-helmet collisions, and regarding this new rule regarding flagrant and excessive hits.

But then there's another side: the ruthless football fan side. Granted, I will NEVER be happy when a player, be they for the Vikes, Saints, or even the Packers, truly gets injured. The football fanatic inside me is not strong enough for that and I never hope it will be. But when I see a Vike LEVEL out another player, and hard, I can't help but cheer. Helmet-to-helmet never gives me much of a thrill because I end up being worried about BOTH players- it's not a nice thing on either side of that equation. But EJ Henderson just BLASTING a reciever? I LOVE it!

And it's why I love football, too! I can't stand basketball, and even much less baseball. (Sorry fans to those sports.) But I do like hockey, which is often a physical sport, I LOVE MMA (I teach it for a living so I'd better...), and above all else, I LOOOOVE football. And if football becomes a sport where players get fined/ suspended/ flagged/ ejected/ whatever for looking at each other funny, I'm going to start to lose that fanatical, inexplicable love. Probably never entirely- it's just too much a part of me, a part of my upraising, a part of my mere existence during football season. But it's going to lose a lot of its thrill when you just go too far. The players wear pads and helmets that can probably stop a bullet, and aches and pains are just going to be a part of it, as well they should be in this physical sport.

So is this rule taking it too far? In the end, it will probably be up to the refs... but I'm not a fan of that, as I see a lot of 'roughing the passer' calls that I disagree with. There are many times when a 350 lb linebacker is ONE step away from the QB when the pass is made, and hit him, and the flag is thrown. To me, you cannot expect a 350 lb machine to be able to stop on a time when going full force- then ankle injuries are going to supplant concussions as the NFL's #1 concern. Granted, too, there are also a lot of times I think the refs SHOULD have thrown the flag (see: Vikings-Saints, NFC Championship). So I hate leaving it in their hands because refs often strike me as inconsistent, and when you've got a new rule involving SUSPENSIONS, the ref's whims can make or break seasons for a team. Consider- what if we were on a make-or-break moment going into Week 17, and Week 16 EJ Henderson gets suspended for a big hit that's questionable?

All in all I'm just torn. I get that flagrant, excessive, brutal hits should somehow be controlled, and I get that fines don't really do it. Of course, let's review Erin Henderson's brilliant suggestion from the preseason to make fines based off of a player's salary... but that would be intelligent, wouldn't it? Fine a guy 10% of his pay for a big hit, and I bet he'll pay attention. And you won't screw the smaller guys in the process. But since that's daydreaming of a logical NFL hierarchy, I'll quickly return to the issue at hand. The other side of the coin is that now the NFL is risking putting team's entire seasons on the oft-questionable judgements of the refs, and for a rule that might be the start of a slippery slope down the path to a pretty soft NFL, lacking much of the spark and flavor that we all love.

So- what do YOU all think?

Poll
Is the NFL doing the right thing by threatening to suspend players for flagrant, excessive hits?
Yes. These are people, humans, and we need to protect their health.
16 votes
No. It's too much of a judgement call for the refs, and it's going to start a process where the NFL is just too soft.
18 votes

34 votes | Poll has closed

This FanPost was created by a registered user of The Daily Norseman, and does not necessarily reflect the views of the staff of the site. However, since this is a community, that view is no less important.

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Normally I would disagree ?

They made a good point about taking away the clothes line play …….

by gothicpurple on Oct 19, 2010 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

They could have waited one more week so we could knock the crap out of Aaron one more time .

Jared you can afford a $75,ooo dollar fine to knock Rodgers out cold !!! What do you all think ???

by gothicpurple on Oct 19, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah…cause THAT is a real decent and humane way of looking at life.

By the way, I don’t think its fines that have kept Allen from getting ANY sacks this year.

by TrevorR on Oct 21, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not in the hands of the refs

I don’t see the suspension decision being in the hands of the refs on the field. They will still have the jurisdiction to eject (which they rarely, if ever do), but suspensions will be handled in the same way fines will. It will go to a review board after the games.

If it were in the hands of the refs… God help us all!

by nectur on Oct 20, 2010 9:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Touche.

I guess I didn’t fully think it through- as readers can probably tell, this was a FanPost straight from the gut on the issue. Doesn’t always make for the best writing, sorry!

Still- the Robinson-Jackson head-to-head collision strikes me as an example where this rule goes wrong. I REALLY don’t think Robinson intended for the hit to go like that- obviously! No NFL player in their right mind will knock themselves unconcious just to make the tackle, unless we are literally talking about stopping a Super Bowl winnning touchdown- and even then, most wouldn’t do it.

And I want to listen to the players on this, because after all, it’s the players we are trying to protect. Granted, this rule is more about protecting offensive players, and those speaking up are the defensive players facing the fines/ suspensions, but I don’t think they’re just making excuses when they talk about the fast blur, violence, and competition that’s happening on the field. The NFL brass who will be enforcing these rules have little to no experience about that- correct me if I’m wrong, but Goddell played football in high school, and that was it. NFL and HS football are two totally different animals- the shape of the football is about the biggest thing they have in common.

Again, the suspension thing is really getting to me. We could see defensive players letting WRs, TEs, and RBs make big plays they could have stopped, due to the fear of being suspended and letting their team down- and could we blame the DBs and LBs for it?? And what happens when Antoine Winfield slams a poor sunuvabitch to win us a game, and gets suspended for it- it’s like punishing a guy for earning his paycheck and keeping his end of the bargain with the team.

by KJSegall on Oct 20, 2010 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Winfield is a very sure handed tackler

he is one of the best in the NFL The problem is the D guys that dont use proper tackling form and just try to knock a ball carrier off his feet. The reinforced rules will make the players return to better form which will make up for some of the missed tackles that are going on now. So the added yardage from less aggressive hits will be offset by better tackling.

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

John Wayne

by just another viking on Oct 20, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Using Winfield

Was really just kind of a random example- I do agree that Winfield’s form of tackling doesn’t leave much opportunity for this. But Henderson had some solid hits, and Jared Allen is not particularly known for his softness, particularly when it’s not the QB he’s going after. So those would have been better examples, I suppose.

That said, your point is quite an interesting one. Still, I can’t recall which player said this, but one of the defensive guys embroiled in the ‘controversy’ from last week admited that he hits to hurt- NOT to injure- so as to intimidate offensive players later on. So long as one is honestly not aiming to injure, I can’t help but wonder if that’s really a legitimate part of the game. Certainly, defenses like the Steelers and Saints subscribe to this philosophy- many can call it dirty, but that’s usually opposing teams’ fans. It certainly seems to work.

by KJSegall on Oct 20, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

hurt/Injure/create fear

The game should not be about any of that, although it often is. If the rule enforcement causes the defenders to go back to the fundamentals and play the game from a purely athletic point of view that will only be good for the game. I do think the game will change a little but I think this change will be a return to a more pure game.

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

John Wayne

by just another viking on Oct 21, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

In any sport...

the psychological element is just as important as the athleticism and physical aspects. For an example aside from a defender looking to hurt and create fear, just look at the Saints starting the second half of the Super Bowl with an on-side kick. The surprise and frustration that it put into the Colts, and the ensuing ‘surge’ on the behalf of the Saints, is a perfect example. The play was a risky gamble and ultimately didn’t rely on athleticism to work (actually, it only worked because this Hank Baskett guy let the ball bounce of his facemask. I pity the team that has him now… wait… CRAP!), but on psychological factors.

Creating fear and intimidation by playing in a rough, physical style is a part of the psychological element in ANY contact sport. Now- injuries should be avoided at all costs, and if a player ever came out and said something stupid like ‘I hope I give so-and-so a concussion!’, well, sh*t on that jackass, IMO. But saying that, as a defender, you want to create some fear and hesitation on behalf of the opposite team because they might get a boo-boo, well, that to me is just fine.

by KJSegall on Oct 21, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

They opened a can of worms here .

They appear to be hypocrites . With the sale of pictures to deliberate illegal activities . Will they also remove all vicious hits and photos of illegal activities in the Hall of Fame ? As you walk down the first hallway leading to the main areas the first photos are of Ocho in an illegally celbrated dance and T. O. when he poured the popcorn on himself which is an illegal prop ? The NFL will simply iscrease the value of newly unsanctioned materials that others will profit on . Mafiaman Goodell won’t stand for that . An interasting point is that they didn’t even run it by the players union . Why disrespect the Union if they are such a model company ? And again the players now have the fuel to argue against the Leagues inability to acknowledge repetative injuries and long term damage . Schlereth spoke of his 29 surgeries as not being enough to warrent insurance coverage . And they once again brag up the 18 game schedule that won’t compensate for added dangers involved in the increased revenue gained by the one sided changes . The NFL will never learn that bullying won’t win the hearts of the fans . Even I limited my ticket purchases to one game this year . Why get caught up in the last month of games as so many simply rest their guys . It’s not worth the drive in the snow .

by gothicpurple on Oct 20, 2010 6:09 PM CDT reply actions  

You’re absolutely right. I read an article just a bit ago where many were comparing this issue with the issue of an 18 game season and pointing out the ridiculously apparent hypocrisy in doing both… after all, as most players had already stated even BEFORE this issue, their main concern was the increase in injuries. What most people forget is that injuries linger- it’s more than just ‘2 more chances to get hurt’. Every additional game aggravates injuries that players recieved in previous games, so the risk actually rises exponentially, not in even increments. Ask any football player- they ALL play injured and hurt, and by December, many have described the feeling as ‘being a walking zombie’. Some players will simply ‘snap’, ‘break’, whatever you want to call it, if you add two more onto that.

The 18 game schedule has soooo many more facets to it than it seems on face value. I won’t lie- as a fan, at first the expanded schedule was appealing to me. But then I hear the counter arguments, and realized that a lot of them were VERY valid to me- the decreased sense of ‘value’ in earlier season games (for example, would 1-4, in an 18 game schedule, be as dramatic a threat to the Cowboys and Vikings?), the chance that no team is walking into the playoffs healthy- I don’t want to see Vikings second-stringers win us our first Super Bowl, I want to see my beloved faves getting the deed done!-, and the fact that the ‘runaway lead’ is going to happen MUCH sooner for many teams- the Colt’s would have still rested in week 16 last year, but instead of throwing just two games into the ‘waste of time to watch’ bin, it would have been 4! Overall, I’ve turned completely tail on the proposed 18 game system- 16 works great for me. (Some have even suggested that even THAT’S too long, but hell, I just can’t get behind a season REDUCTION- offseason is just too damn painful for me!)

by KJSegall on Oct 20, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quick disclaimer

I have posted several things here, BTW, that makes it sound as if I’m against this rule. To clarify, I posted this article and poll because I, in fact, haven’t decided WHAT I feel yet. (I haven’t even voted on my own poll.) Granted, I’m not really looking for a group consensus here to dictate to me how I feel about something, just looking for various viewpoints to broaden my horizon and understanding.

Part of me really wants to allow defenders to do what they do. But then, I keep thinking back to the story I saw on the ‘tube about the linebacker (for the life of me I cannot remember who, this was a few years ago) who is literally in the situation I described above- played for about 5 years, suffered some horrendous injuries, and now has medical bills for a lifetime that he simply has no way to pay. (BTW, if I recall correctly, this story ran in response to the question of how much medical insurance NFL players should recieve after retirement.) But even if the bills aren’t the issue, do I really want to know that someone is out there, stuck for life in a wheelchair, just so I was entertained? No, not really.

I do have a soft spot in my heart for players all over the league. They might get paid an enormous amount just to play a sport, but they also place themselves at immense physical risk to, again, just entertain us all. (OK, those big paychecks might help too, but still…). I hate ANY player getting injured. I won’t lie- if Jared Allen sacks the crap outta Aaron Rodgers on Sunday, I am going to CHEER. But- if Rodgers doesn’t get up for a minute or two afterwards, I will be bothered. And I won’t be able to help myself but clap just a little if he were to then get up and shake it off, because I will feel relieved.

Let me put it like this- as the QB for Green Bay, I hope that Rodgers fails in all aspects on the field. I hope from this day forward, EVERY single throw he ever attempts is intercepted- I hope he constantly gets sacked for yards lost- I hope he fails, fails, fails! But off the field, considering that Rodgers has never done a damn thing to make me feel otherwise, I hope he has a long, happy, healthy and succesful life.

I guess that sums up in a nutshell how I feel about this- do I want to hamstring Allen so much he’s scared to go after Rodgers? No. But do I want to see Rodgers break a femur? Equally no. So I just don’t know where to go with this new NFL rule.

by KJSegall on Oct 21, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Well expressed my friend

Refs need to have a seminar on what is flagrant and not momentum driven and accidental bad hits.
Allen attempt to get of his knees to get Shaub from behind but a New Orleans player (with the ref photoed in the back ground) is down and takes Brett out. No fine. No penalty. The Allen hit was not dirty of flagrant as he attemted to get up.
Today I saw calls that were legit and some that were close and momentum driven. There needs to be a definition of clearly not following the code and what is part of the momentum and off balance of a player in a crowed of players which may make the hit illegal, but unintentional.

by CitrusFLViking on Oct 24, 2010 6:41 PM CDT reply actions  

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