Yeah, But...
Sunday night marks the 98th time that the Vikings and Packers will square off against one another. I've been alive for over half of those games. I can unequivocally say that I have never been more indecisive about how a game between Minnesota and Green Bay will play out as the one we have on our hands this Sunday night.
Think about it. Does any fan of either team really know who their squad is at this point of the season? The Vikings and Packers have two of the most talented teams in the NFL, yet they have a combined record of 5-6. Everyone and their mom had these two teams finishing 1-2 in the NFC North, yet both trail the Chicago Bears. (Did you just make the "who farted?" face after reading that sentence? Because I did after typing it.) For every valid point I can come up with to make the case for one of the teams winning, I can come up with an equally valid "yeah, but..." to cancel it out.
Don't believe me? Well then you obviously didn't see the theme of this week's post coming in the title, did you?! Here we go:
Valid point #1: The Packers are simply way too beat up to win this game. Jermichael Finley, Ryan Grant, Nick Barnett, Brady Poppinga, Charles Woodson...I'm not sure they'll be able to even field 22 players.
Yeah, but...the Packers are thisclose to being 5-1 instead of 3-3. They lost two OT heart breakers to solid teams in consecutive weeks with an injury list that's longer than Kirstie Alley's grocery list. If Mason Crosby's kick doesn't doink off the upright against Washington and the offense converts a couple late third downs against Miami, Green Bay could be atop the division right now.
Valid point #2: Randy Moss always thrives against the Packers and in prime time. He plays his best when everyone's watching. He's headed for 200 yards and three scores easy.
Yeah, but...just look at how the Vikings have done as a team in recent prime time games, especially on the road. The Jets and the Saints this year? Two losses. Now look back to 2009. The Bears on Monday night--loss. The Carolina and Arizona Sunday nighters--stinkers. The Vikings have played some of their worst football on some of the biggest stages lately, which doesn't bode well for the upcoming trip to Lambeau.
Valid point #3: Jared Allen and the rest of the Vikings had damn near a season's worth of sacks against Green Bay last year. The Packers have no run game to speak of and their offensive line is mediocre at best. Aaron Rodgers will have a tough time completing any passes from his back.
Yeah, but...while the Green Bay O-line won't be confused with those of the 1990's Cowboys any time soon, they're not as bad as they were last year. Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher didn't play either game against Minnesota in 2009. First-round pick Bryan Bulaga has performed well at times. Since Rodgers is one of the best scramblers in the game, the Pack have given up only one more sack and two less QB hits than our Beloved Purple this season while playing one more game than us. And don't forget, it's not like the Minnesota front seven has lit anyone up yet this year. We have six sacks--that ties us with the Buffalo Bills. Any time you're tied in a statistical category with the Bills, it can't be good.
Valid point #4: These games against the Packers are the main reason why Brett Favre came back for another go-round with the Vikings. He wants nothing more than to stick it to Ted Thompson twice more this year. He knows all of Green Bay's tendencies and he's going to light them up just like he did both times in 2009.
Yeah, but...Favre has kinda sucked this year. Don't think I need to expand on that one.
Valid point #5: These teams are heading in opposite directions. The Packers have lost three out of four and the Vikings are finally putting it together after a rocky start.
Yeah, but...like I mentioned before, the Packers could have won any of those games. All three of their losses have been by a single field goal. And yes, the Vikings came up with a big win against Dallas last week. But they did so thanks to 6,000 penalties committed by the Cowboys while managing to get only 188 yards of total offense. We're improving, but we still have a l-o-o-o-ng way to go before we can consider ourselves a title contender.
Valid point #6: Rodgers is completely outplaying Favre so far this season. This is a quarterback-driven league, and when teams are this even, the best quarterback almost always wins. On the defensive side of the ball, Clay Matthews is sacking everything in sight. Who's going to stop him from getting to Favre on a regular basis?
Yeah, but...Rodgers still has ZERO fourth quarter comebacks in his career. How the hell is that even possible?! Until he comes up big in the clutch, he's no better than Jay Cutler--a QB that puts up stats but can't come through when it means the most. And Matthews has been a beast, but it sounds like that hamstring of his is nowhere near 100% yet.
Valid point #7: The winner of this game is in the driver's seat to win the NFC North, because the one thing that both Packers and Vikings fans can agree on is that the Bears suck. Meanwhile, the loser of this game is in YUUUGE trouble.
Yeah, but...it's not like anyone in our division or the NFC as a whole is going to run and hide at the rate we're going. It looks like 9-7 is going to give you a great shot to make the 2010 playoffs. While 2-4 or 3-4 looks pretty awful, it definitely isn't insurmountable with the players each team has coming back later this year. When Minnesota and Green Bay play again in four weeks I think we're going to see two completely different teams. (Hello, Sidney Rice!)
Valid point #8: It looks like I'm shooting down every single way the Vikings could win this game. I might just pick against the Vikings for the second time in three weeks!
Yeah, but...I still hate the Packers with every fiber of my being, and I honestly believe they're just way too beat up to hang with us for four quarters. VIKINGS ALL THE WAY BABY!!
Prediction: Vikings 23, Packers 20
And here are the rest of my Week 7 NFL Picks that I didn't agonize over nearly as much (home team in CAPS):
FALCONS over Bengals: Matt Ryan is 15-1 at home in his career. Carson Palmer is the football equivalent of Brigitte Nielsen--when you look at either of them now, you just can't believe they ever actually looked good.
Redskins over BEARS: Yep, I still think Chicago is a fraud. The Redskins aren't great, but they're feisty. I like the word feisty. Fun to say. It's a sincere compliment when you're talking about an untalented football team, but it's a backhanded compliment when you're talking about women. Calling a girl "feisty" means "yeah she's not that good looking, but she likes to party and I bet she'd put out." Wait, what was I talking about?
Eagles over TITANS: I had Tennessee picked here most of the week since they absolutely own NFC teams, but they're playing on a short week with a banged up quarterback. I'm starting Kevin Kolb on one of my fantasy teams this week. It will be fun to watch him get hurt in the second quarter and watch Michael Vick play through pain and guide the Eagles to a victory on the road while Andy Reid miraculously avoids actually having to make an actual decision of who his starting quarterback is for the fifth straight week.
CHIEFS over Jaguars: Everyone made a big stink when the absolute woofer Monday Night Football game between Jacksonville and Tennessee beat out the Yankees vs. Cliff Lee in the TV ratings. I'm sure the baseball game was exciting, but not as exciting as watching 5 million fantasy games be decided by Chris Johnson's garbage time touchdown!
Steelers over DOLPHINS: Miami is 3-0 on the road and 0-2 at home. That'll happen when your entire city is too busy Tweeting about LeBron to watch any football games.
SAINTS over Browns: First the Steelers, now the defending Super Bowl champs, both on the road. What did Colt McCoy do to deserve this? Oh yeah, that's right--he was drafted by Cleveland. God hates Cleveland.
BUCCANEERS over Rams: The biggest compliment I can pay these two teams for their surprising starts is that I'm shocked I don't have to make my obligatory "I'd rather set the world record for self-inflicted paper cuts than watch this game" joke. Well done Bucs and Rams! You're not awful!
49ers over PANTHERS: THIS is the game I would make the obligatory paper cuts joke about. No thank you.
RAVENS over Bills: My suicide pick of the week. I'm still alive, and if you haven't guessed my strategy yet, it's "PICK WHOEVER IS PLAYING THE BILLS."
Cardinals over SEAHAWKS: I like this Max Hall kid. He might actually salvage Larry Fitzgerald's fantasy season. I'd like him a lot more if Peter King wasn't so gung-ho about him.
CHARGERS over Patriots: The Chargers are 2-0 at home, they're desperate as hell, they actually have the #1 offense AND defense in the league, and the Patriots are coming off a draining OT victory over Baltimore. Now only if someone could kidnap Norv Turner before kickoff, I'd feel a lot better about this pick.
BRONCOS over Raiders: It was good to see Tim Tebow finally lose his virginity last week. His end zone virginity. You sick bastards.
Giants over COWBOYS: Maybe the 'Boys have one last gasp in them, but I don't see how they're going to beat the rejuvenated Giants D. Plus I'm pretty sure Dallas still thinks those guys in the striped shirts throwing yellow flags at their feet is just like when opera singers get flowers thrown on stage by the crowd.
Last week: 10-4
Season so far: 56-34
30 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Great picture quote...
Although, once again, Peterson doesn’t have the ball touching his body…tsk tsk
I am also confused about what to assume will happen in this game…Clay Matthews will determine greatly whether the Packers have an effective pass rush or not: without him, none at all – with him 100%, uh oh
Our depleted and round-about CB situation doesn’t bode well for going against Rodgers who has great accuracy historical, but hasn’t shown it this season as much.
I think home-field gives the Pack a slight edge here unfortunately
by Loki The Viking God on Oct 22, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions
Great picture quote....yeah, butt...
Visanthe Shiancoe has a manly pink towel too…but I think his is used for…ahem…size comparison…
WR, CB, K & P of the Minnesota Machine
Here's a pic
…of his towel…(not the manly pink towel, but you get the idea)

and you’re sick if you thought I was gonna post the “other” pic…
WR, CB, K & P of the Minnesota Machine
I gotta say
There are plenty of both Vikings and Packer fans where I work (one of the many problems with Iowa) and there has been less smack talk about this game than any in memory. No one has a clue what’s going to happen but I’ve still got my twice annual case of beer bet going.
At some point the Vikes get untracked offensively
There’s just too much talent to play like it’s the 2006 offense. Might as well be this week.
31-17 Vikes, but like I said over at APC, a 16-16 tie with 20 injuries and 100 penalties between the teams wouldn’t surprise me at all.
The Daily Norseman
Off Tackle Empire
SB Nation Minnesota
"A parent's only as good as their dumbest kid. If one wins a Nobel Prize but the other gets robbed by a hooker, you failed."
"Pull your 84 jerseys out, man. I think this is going to be a fun ride." Randy Moss, WR, Minnesota Vikings
This IS admittedly a weird game to predict.
Both teams have faced some unexpected adversity. Perhaps this match-up will come down to who is best able to play through the adversity and live up to their pre-season expectations. In that regard, I would give a slight edge to the Packers, who didn’t play as well against us last year and will want revenge, at home, vs. our beloved Vikings.
I hope not, of course, but I give them the edge in this one. :(
Well let the smack-talking commence...
Favre is finally showing signs of life and energy and this week will be the Viking 2010 offense’s coming-out party. A few early doses of AD, followed by a monster rainbow to Moss, and the entire Packer D is our playground.
On the other side we will finally start collecting the sacks that have so often been but a finger beyond our grasp lately. Rodgers will be effective and will get his numbers, but they will come at a price… 5 sacks, 2 picks. Vikings 31, Packers 20
SKOL!
Smack talking?
Nothing about this season other than the Vikings not living up to hype tells me that this could not happen, actually that looks average for Rodgers this season as he is on pace for like 16 interceptions.
Nice
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
I meant to type
Nice Article. Very descriptive explanation of the problem. Both teams had high expectations, injuries, and have yet to find themselves.
I really don’t care why the Vikes haven’t been good yet. I just want them to be very good on Sunday.
Skol
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Oct 22, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but
i bleed purple not cheesewiz. nice try at being objective. for me its a bias for vikes no matter what except for our head coach. cowher cowher cowher .
The only thing that can stop the Vikings is the Vikings.
They can’t be timid just because the game is away, outdoors and on prime time. A well balanced football team should be able to adjust.
The Vikings have one of the best QB’s to ever play the game, along with arguably the best WR to ever play the game….and they have a kick-ass running game to boot…Not to mention their Defense is pretty kick-ass too.
The only thing that can stop the Vikings is Turnovers and Penalties. The lower they keep those numbers, the further they will go…..SKOL!
For the love of God
Man up and have some confidence! It’s effing Packer week and you jack wagons are all self-doubters! SKOL VIKES. Conjure up some good old fashioned Packer hate….I know you all have it in you!
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 22, 2010 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd!
Proud contributor to Daily Norseman and SB Nation Minnesota
by Eric J. Thompson on Oct 22, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Vikings will manhandle the Pack.
It’s all attitude. They did it last year, they know they can do it and they’ll do it again.
It’s gonna be fun to watch!
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Oct 23, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
By games end
You will all realize how foolish it was to give this gb team a shredof respect. Not going to go through all the reasons, I will end with this: GB SUCKS DONKEY BALLS
by angryguy77 on Oct 22, 2010 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
They’ve been horrible this year. Not only does Rodgers have 0 4th qtr comebacks (which is shocking) but just saw on nfl network that in losses of 4 points or less Rodgers has 1 win and 11 losses. That is about as non-clutch as you can get.
Ironically I wasn't around for 4 .
You may have given some of us incentive to see #100 . Hopefully the second game next year . Imagine what GB’s injury and fatality list would look like if we replaced Chicago with GB’s schedule ? How many Packers will get KO’d in this first game ? What will even be left for Rice to pick apart in week #11 ? Ouch !!!
Anyone notice that after one week Aaron Rodger’s has been fully cleared of his concussion . Why can’t the NFL allow these athletes to be listed with concussion syndrome until they totally clear all their effects . Kids watch this and think they can be invinciple too . They get back in to early and cause serious effects . Aaron even admitted he got his early in the second quarter . Did he lie to the team and doctor ? Or did the team and/or doctor overlook this ? Yet no investigation as they claim to be being serious about the subject . Sorry I didn’t Fan Post it ? These topics just spit right out of me ? I do like a hot topic ? With a few dark twists ???
1. And we didn’t lose on three scoring drives at the end of our three losses . Most games are figured out in the last three plays right ?
2. Saints no Moss . Thats a trap question . Jets are a top three team . Please name the last 2010 top three team that GB beat in weeks 1-6 ? That’s not a trap question ?
3. So you are saying you were worse than 3-3 last year ? And that your former probowl tackles are better physicall this year ? And your QB listed with no concussion this week so he has no excuse for his beating ?
4. On the contrary ? This is the game that Pack fans wanted him to come back for ? And if we beat GB this week . Than instead of sucking ? You must Swallow . Right ?
5. Could be relevant if you had the same starters as you did . But ??? I didn’t need to finish reading ? It is still early . Injuries weekly are still a key factor . But if you make this same point in week #11 it will be too late to catch us as we will be full speed with the easiest last nine games between the top three contenders . This week we will simply focus on putting the Cheese in the rear window to melt in these warm Fall after noons .
6. You said Brett was out played in every area . Brett is recovering from Tennis Elbow . Aaron from concussion do to excessive hits . He can’t even recall which one did it ? So every may not have been the right wording ?
7. Read #5 .
8. You answered your own problem with this prediction . As you forgot one big factor in that 23-20 view ? Longwell has doomed the pack since wearing purple many more times than Brett ever will . And that streak probably will be extended again this week and again in week #11 .
-—-Instincts and APC have varified this claim . They don’t mention Moss or Longwell in their depressed comments this week . Too bad 90% of the spirited Vike fans are Banned so that we couldn’t add to their misery . They don’t allow all viewers to share the same site rules as we know .
Wow....
what a pessimistic and depressing post…….Is it possible that game ends negative eleventy four to zero? By the sounds of it we’re as bad as Sanjaya with a mohawk and the Packers are everybody who got eliminated before him…….that’s baaaaaad…..
How is it possible?
Rodgers still has ZERO fourth quarter comebacks in his career. How the hell is that even possible?!
He is also 1-11 in games decided by 4 points or less in his career. His 1 victory was a 2 point squeaker over the Detroit Lions (at Lambeau I might add) earlier this year. Very telling statistics there. Doesn’t matter what kind of numbers he puts up, if he can’t win close games late, he will never get out from Favre’s shadow.
It’s also worth mentioning that Rodgers has been turning the ball over at an inordinately high rate this year as well. His 7 picks so far ALSO matches his total from last season. While he hasn’t fumbled yet, he fumbled 20 times in his first two years as a starter. They will come.
He beat the Bears last season in the 4th quarter when we were down. He’s just fine in end of game situations too. He led us down the field against Washington only to have Crosby miss a GW FG. Same thing happened in 2008 at the metrodome too. And if you look at a lot of those 12 games, many times the defense played a bigger part in us losing then Rodgers did. (Most of those being in 2008) You could even look at the Steelers game last season. So while he hasn’t been automatic in late game situations, he’s often done enough to get us a win. Only in many of those situations, our defense or special teams couldn’t do their part.
He has been more turnover prone, which I think is a result of him trying to force things more. And even then some of those INT’s aren’t entirely on him. One was on a hail mary pass, and another resulted after Jennings caught and had the ball stripped away from him. So that stat is skewed a bit.
by packallday555 on Oct 23, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Well not all of Favre's picks are on him then either
I would guess him being more turnover prone is more a result of defenses not respecting the running game and dropping back more in coverage than anything. Doesn’t change the fact that he is well on pace for a career high in picks.
I do love Packer apologists though. Nothing is ever the QB’s fault, whether it was Favre before or now Rodgers.
To me, if the team lost, it’s hard to argue that the QB did enough to win the game. “Enough to win” is a very arbitrary concept that doesn’t take reality (that your defense and special teams are also part of the team) into account. If he didn’t score enough for the defense not to blow it, it wasn’t really enough in my opinion.
by Cobra312004 on Oct 23, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crosby missed a 53yd attempt.
Sorry, that’s more the Packer offense’s fault than Crosby’s. He hit it pretty well, but 53yds is a long way to go for any kicker. It was the same story in the ’08 Metrodome game. Shoulda got Crosby closer than 50.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 23, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Screen Passes
I’d really like to see Brett dump the ball off early on some quick screens to Percy, AP, or whoever to neutralize Mathews (sort of like Dallas did to us on EVERY PLAY last week). Anyway if we do this a bit more it should open things up a little later in the game. For gosh sakes if we can play a solid first half for a change I think it would bode well for us. NO TURNOVERS is a MUST!
Oakland rushes for 328 yards today. Oakland 59 Broncos 14.
There’s a Denver fan at work that’s always bad mouthing the Vikings. I hope we can pull an Oakland type win over the Packers tonight.
I can’t wait to harass the bastard.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by 


























