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A reaction we've seen and mimicked far too often this season.  When he does it, he's frustrated at throwing a pick.  When we do it, it's to keep our head from exploding.

I have a question for the guys here.  Have you ever been kicked or kneed in the stones?  I have, once.  It was 8th grade basketball practice, East Grand Forks, MN, home of the Green Wave.  I was on defense, guarding Todd Martin.  He was at the top of the key, faked right, and I bit.  He went left to drive the lane and I was a half step behind.  I was a little quicker, got position, and set up to take a charge just as he put his right leg up to go for a layup.

The next thing I remember, I was on the ground, holding my future children in my hands, eyes crossed, unable to breathe, and I was apparently several shades of purple.  The rest of the team had formed a circle around me, and no one spoke, except in soft, hushed tones like you would have at a wake.  Is he dead?  Yeah, he's turning purple.  Holy crap, Martin got him good.  His balls must be in his throat.

Coach came over and asked the dumbest question ever...are you okay? 

JEEBUS NO!!!  I JUST GOT KNEED IN THE NETHER REGIONS!!!  SOMEONE PULL A PIN ON A HAND GRENDADE AND LET ME EAT IT SO THE EXPLOSION WILL FORCE MY TESTICLES BACK DOWN TO MY BALL SACK!!!! 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway, that's what my INNER dialogue was saying.  My outer dialogue was a collection of gasps, coughs, and groans for about 20 minutes.  Oh, I was also rolled into the fetal position, praying for the sweet relief that only death could bring. 

Oh, and just for the record, ladies, when a guy gets kicked in the junk, no other guy laughs, because it's very much a ‘But for the Grace of God go I' kind of moment.  You want empathy and understanding out of your man, then show him a video of a guy getting schwacked in the junk.  Not.  Funny.  Ever.

So eventually, the pain went from the most indescribable pain ever to a level that just really, really hurt.  I got to sit out the last part of practice, and went home and iced the Ol' Gunslinger.  And that memory was forever seared into my brain.

And said memory came searing back last night.  That loss was a kick in the balls, and there's no other way to describe it.  It was Brett Favre at his best and his worst, it was Brad Childress at his worst, and it was potentially a season shifting game.  A season that was forecast to be sunny.  A season...in the sun.  Take it away, Terry Jacks.

 

Too much wine and too much song, wonder how I got along.  SMR, after the jump.

Star-divide

 

Blue Chip Stocks:

Adrian Peterson, RB.  Peterson had a huge game, and the Vikings rode him back into contention after the Packers went up 28-17.  He seems a lot more patient in hitting the hole and giving it time to develop, and it’s paying dividends. 

Percy Harvin, WR:  Harvin is back to last year’s form, and it’s good to see.  He has that quick burst back, and nearly gave us a Greg Lewis moment.  By the way, the ‘let’s run Percy out of the backfield’ part of the playbook needs to be utilized a lot more.

John Sullivan, C:  Was it me, or did the offensive line look much better with John Sullivan in there?  The Vikes did a much better job of picking up the unguarded blitzer, and although Favre took some shots, he had a lot of time, and Peterson had some gaping holes to run through.  Jon Cooper and Ryan Cook have been okay in relief, but the line just seemed…different…with Sully in there.  More sure of themselves, different attitude, something.

Chris Kluwe, P:  The guy is just money this year.  If he’s not an All-Pro, he should be.

 

Sound Investments:

Toby Gerhart, 3rd Down RB:  Young Mr. Gerhart acquitted himself well last night, and was on the field late in the game during crunch time.  There’s no way it could’ve been a reflection on Adrian Peterson’s performance as much as it was a reward for Gerhart’s performance.  He ran the ball with authority (but was still a little too quick hitting the hole, I thought), made correct reads and made some huge blocks to help give Favre some extra time and keep him upright, and even caught a pass.  It took awhile, but Gerhart seems to be growing up in front of us, and I thought he made a ton of progress last night.

Visanthe Shiancoe, TE:  I don’t care what anyone says, that was a touchdown catch.  He had possession, he maintained control, and to me, it looked like his hand was UNDER the damn ball.  Other than that, yeah, I could see where it could be overturned.  What bullshit.  That aside, Shiancoe re-emerged from hibernation, probably due to better line play, and had a good game.  It was nice to see him making plays.

Frank Walker, CB:  The Packers went after Walker and Cook all night, and Walker held his own after only being on the team a very short time.  He broke up a pass that lead to an interception in the end zone, and quite frankly, he played better than Chris Cook did, which was very surprising for me, so I give him a sound investment for the week. 

Junk Bonds:

Brad Childress, Alleged Head Coach:  Okay, you have two timeouts, about 40 seconds left before halftime, in a game you know where every point is critical.  Solid play calling has gotten you near midfield and the offense is clicking.  You’ve had one touchdown taken off the board, and a field goal gets you momentum and a 6 point lead heading into halftime.  Oh, you also have a Hall of Fame quarterback, a Hall of Fame wide receiver, and the best running back in football playing behind an offensive line that is playing well.  So what do you do?  You let the clock run out, of course.  Yeah, you got jobbed on a bogus offensive PI on said Hall of Fame wide receiver, but with two timeouts you can pretty much utilize your entire passing playbook, and not worry about having to limit yourself to sideline routes.  Stevie Wonder could see that trying to get in FG range was the right call, and with playmakers like Harvin and Moss, one missed tackle either gets you a TD, or at worse, a chip shot.  Randy Moss spoke for every Vikings fan in the world when he held his arms out and gave the sidelines the WTF look as the clock ran down.  Now instead of a FG to win in the fourth, you need a TD.  Yeah, that worked out.  Nice call, Chilly.

Pass Rush:  It’s time to call out the entire defensive line.  Ray Edwards and Jared Allen had favorable matchups last night, but there was no discernable pressure on Aaron Rodgers the entire game.  The result was predictable, as he had time to make throw after throw, all night long.  Jared Allen and Ray Edwards went all Amelia Earhart and just disappeared without a trace.  It’s a very troubling development, and if they put up that kind of effort next week against the Patriots, they’re going to get blown out. 

Third Down Defense:  Was there a third down attempt the Packers didn’t convert?  I know the stats show Green Bay was only 5/11 on third down, but every time the Packers needed to keep a drive going, they did, and that was a significant contributing factor to the loss.  They made a couple of nice fourth down stops, but it seemed third down efficiency for the Vikings was bad all night long.  Or it just broke down at the worst possible time.

Buy/Sell:

Buy:  Brett Favre as the starting quarterback.  Yeah, Favre was at his worst last night, but he was also at his best.  He made some horrid throws, but also got the Vikings back in it.  Last year he won these games, but so far, not so much this year.  I still like the Vikes chances with Favre over TJ, and nothing I saw last night made me think otherwise.

Sell:  Officiating.  Horrible.  All the way around.

Buy:  Bernard Berrian Cameo Appearance.  Berrian made a nice 30 yard reception at a big point in the game.  I hope to see him integrated more into the offense, as I feel he can be an asset.

Sell:  Still pissed about some of the calls.

Buy:  Jared Allen interception.  Hey, if you’re not going to apply pressure, stick up your paws and pick one off.

Sell:  Albert Young.  Was he even activated last night?

Buy:  Percy Harvin, Running Back.  And not because Percy’s on my fantasy team, but because Harvin’s speed brings a dimension coming out of the backfield that is difficult to defend.  And was it me, or did he look almost natural carrying the ball last night?  He definitely has that ‘ooh’ factor back, because every time he got his hands on the ball, I thought he was a legitimate threat to house it.

Sell:  Favre’s HORRID interceptions.  It can’t continue, or I will think TJ is an option.  It put the Vikes in a hole that they ultimately couldn’t dig themselves out of.  It’s gotta stop, or the season is over.

Buy:  Making the playoffs at 2-4.  In any other year, this would be a back breaker, but there is no one loss team in the NFC, and the Vikings are by no means out of it.  Granted, they’ve put themselves into a hole they shouldn’t be in, but they have the talent to pull out of this nosedive before they become a spectacular fireball on the desert floor.  But to do that, they absolutely must beat New England next week, and that’s going to be a tall order.

Sell:  Making the playoffs at 2-5.  At 2-5, the Vikings would probably have to run the table to assure a division title, and 8-1 to probably guarantee a wild card.  Could it happen?  Yes.  Would it, with the way the team has played so far?  I don’t see it.  That said, 8-8 or 9-7 has a realistic shot at the playoffs at this point of the season, but do you honestly believe 8-8 or 9-7 is a Super Bowl team?

Well, that’s the Stock Market report for this week, Viking fans.  It’s not time to press the panic button yet, but it is time to flip the safety cover off.  I’m also getting an ice pack ready, but I’ll be wearing my cup next Sunday, just in case.

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Favre's QB rating is only ahead of

Matt Moore
Jimmy Clausen
and Derek Anderson.

So far, through 6 games. 4th from worst in the league.

I’m just sayin’

by loldotcom on Oct 25, 2010 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

From the overly optimistic department...

he can only get better, right?

Seriously though, we’ve been in every single game. If Favre starts playing even a little better, then I think some of these L’s start to turn into W’s. Hopefully it happens soon, because we can’t afford anymore L’s.

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by dthompson on Oct 25, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have an honest question to our editors:

Why is it that after every loss we have to be reminded how great the opposing team is and basically how we have no right to vent on our own site? I am sick and tired of obvious trolls from other teams thinking they have the preordained responsibility to tell how how bad we suck and how garbage our team is! We don’t do that to other team’s pages so why is it that EVERY WEEK, if we lose, we have to suffer the maddening banter from those who have no business being on here in the first place. This is a Vikings blog, and I am sick and tired of being told how shitty my team is and how superior every squad that happens to eek out a win versus the Purple is. If they want to brag and spew garbage on their own site, fine..but EVERY WEEK we get human filth telling us how to act in our own house. I’m so disappointed….I thought this was a Purple sanctuary…

by Jepp The Viking on Oct 25, 2010 1:58 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

You sure as hell

Won’t ever hear me say that.

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by Christopher Gates on Oct 25, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't feed the TROLLS

Great post Ted. I am just now getting over the kick in the balls from last night. I was just numb after that game. It was almost as bad as the NO game. Read the posts from last night, got to agree with Jepp, but we get another shot at them soon in our house! Two thoughts on our status,
- saw a very tired BF last night. Heard a few HOF-QB’s say that their arms are as good today as when they played, but the thing that goes first is the legs We are seeing this with BF and fat pat. I think BF may need to sit a game or two to sort out his personal life and health if we are going to make a run – after NE if he’s healthy enough to play.
- keep hearing about Chilli’s system? Sounds just like another ex viking coach – D. Green, remember him? Sure just plug anybody in, right…………………………………………
I still think we have a shot at the PO, and we can beat NE. They aren’t hitting on all fronts either. GO VIKES!!!!!!!!!!!! We aren’t dead yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by NCviking on Oct 25, 2010 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I have to disagree....

… about Favre over Tavaris Jackson at this point. In my opinion, ANY quarterback with 6 games worth of 3-4 turnovers per game rides the pine.

Yeah, he’s a future HOF’er. Yeah, it isn’t solely his fault. Yeah, we still could have won many if not all of those games, with a couple of breaks.

But that still doesn’t change the fact that Favre has turnovers AND a low completion percentage.

Just think, if it was any other quarterback playing like that, we’d be calling for the backup now, all of us. Time for Favre to sit, let Tavaris Jackson have a try. If Favre gets healthy (ankle + tendonitis) then maybe he can come back, unless Tavaris is playing really well.
 
But right now, I just can’t see how anyone could seriously think Favre is giving us a better chance to win that Tavaris Jackson.

by HammeroftheGods on Oct 25, 2010 2:16 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

At any rate...

… at this point, I’d like to see it proven that we are better with Favre than Tavaris Jackson… and for that to happen, we need to see a few quarters of this offense with T-Jack running it.

by HammeroftheGods on Oct 25, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

+7

It may take a village to raise a child, but it takes a Viking to raze a village.

by Luft Krigare on Oct 25, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

Also with Farve in there teams only have to worry about covering receivers if the pocket breaks hard right and the QB rolls away from pressure Farve still throws. If T-Jack was in there at least he can pickup a few first downs with his legs.

by Viking_Monson on Oct 25, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couple of things to keep in mind

The Packers were missing two starters and their top backup on the defensive line in Pickett, Cullen Jenkins and backup Mike Neal. All missed last night. And with only 3 defensive linemen I think those guys all played just about every snap until the end when Capers put in more defensive backs.

The holding on both sides was just crazy. Holding by the offensive linemen, holding by the defensive backs. It was everywhere.

It seemed like the Packers special teams battled the Vikes to a draw which is kind of crazy given that the Packers special teams are routinely awful except for the placekicker, Crosby.

by Big10freak on Oct 25, 2010 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Pass Rush?

Remember how we carried 10 DF linemen coming into the season, how’s that worked out for us? 6 sacks? more importantly, hardly any pressures. I am sure if BF got the lack of PR that Golden boy got, the outcome would have been different. I blame it on poor coaching. They had this problem for a while, were are the scheme’s?

by NCviking on Oct 25, 2010 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Leslie Frasier .... The New Headcoach (Should Be)

At this point if Chilly suddenly quit or disappeared I think the whole state would breath a collective sigh. This year is still Super Bowl or bust and for Chilly’s job no Super Bowl should mean Hello Head Coach Frasier

by Madden Allstar on Oct 25, 2010 2:27 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Hell Yeah!

I would love to see Frasier as our coach!

+ allot!

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by Admiral BigGun on Oct 25, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that...

… I said it earlier too.

I’ve not been ready to call for it yet, but after the Packers game I’m convinced. Childress is good at evaluating talent, lousy, or at best below average, at coaching the team and making game-time decisions/adjustments.

by HammeroftheGods on Oct 26, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed!

We can’t let another top coach leave to win a SB. We need to dump the egochill.

by NCviking on Oct 25, 2010 2:29 PM CDT reply actions  

AP

We need to get back to the basic’s. Run run run to set up the pass. I would like to see AP get more touches in the pass game, and Toby has proven that he can pick up at least 8 – 15 carries a game. This will save AP for the post season and make us less one dimensional. I would also like to see more of Jimmy K (the GRADER) in the back field to block.

by NCviking on Oct 25, 2010 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Serious question

I’ve noticed Adrian Peterson has fixed his fumbling issue, but Brett Favre has reverted back to throwing too many INTs.

So my question is, would you rather have a Brett Favre that does not turn the ball over, or an Adrian Peterson that does not fumble?

by UncleJustice2.0 on Oct 25, 2010 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Favre that doesn't throw INTs

If I had to choose. An AP fumble has a chance to be recovered by us, and are less likely to be returned for a TD. Seems like half of Favre’s INTs have been pick 6s.

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by dthompson on Oct 25, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The worst part about last night's game?

That would be having to watch Collinsworth talk about pictures of Favre’s unit.

They talk about wanting to clean up the game, but then they take you away from the game to talk about pictures of Favre’s “Gunslinger” he may or may not have sent.

by SippyCup on Oct 25, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Carl Johnson (VP of officiating)

Has just told Childress that the Shank call should have been a TD and he apologized to team. Suck it Pack homers.

by Jepp The Viking on Oct 25, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah...

and those hits on Favre were illegal as well (NFCCG)…however, we still don’t get our ring, do we? He can shove his apology up his a®se.

by izziefans on Oct 25, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that game happened this year

The Colts would have won the Super Bowl because half of the Saints D would have been suspended

by tkar99 on Oct 26, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you have a link to that?

Did he also manage to explain why Roid Matthews was allowed to take his helmet off in the middle of live action without penalty?

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by Christopher Gates on Oct 25, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a live stream of Chilly's press conference

Vikings.com usually posts the replay within a few hours.

by Jepp The Viking on Oct 25, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Should say IS a live stream.

Vikings.com has it going now. Whenever it is done they usually take a bit to encode it and re-post.

by Jepp The Viking on Oct 25, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

Favre has two fractures in ankle, is in a boot, but not ruled out for Sunday.

Also told by Carl Johnson that if challenged, the Quarless play would have been overturned (by rule of NFL)

by Jepp The Viking on Oct 25, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

So basically

We got punked and the NFL says…um..sorry?!?

by Jepp The Viking on Oct 25, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Tends to happen a lot.

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by Christopher Gates on Oct 25, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'd think

we’d be used to it by now

WR, CB, K & P of the Minnesota Machine

by dthompson on Oct 25, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

no

you don’t ever “get used to” being punched in the junk.

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by Admiral BigGun on Oct 25, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said the same thing

If that were a viking doing the same thing last night you could guarantee a flag for 15 yards

by Madden Allstar on Oct 25, 2010 3:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The whole mathews no helmet thing is what I was replying to

by Madden Allstar on Oct 25, 2010 3:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

They tend to let that stuff slide...

When it is practically pushed off your head by the other team. It could have been15 the other way.

by EVT on Oct 25, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

SCOTT GREEN SUCKS

We’re not the first and certainly not the last team to suffer the pangs of Scott Green’s piss-poor officiating and they rewarded this joke by giving him the Super Bowl game last year. WAKE UP NFL! http://troyandgay.com/blog/2008/11/17/scott-green-is-a-lousy-referee/

"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!

by DaRange on Oct 25, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Always in Green Bay

The Vikes just seem to get screwed in EPIC fashion all year, every f&%*^ing season!

…and when in Green Bay, the calls are alllllllllll one-sided. What a f’n disgrace the NFL is to allow us to get a$$ f*%ked in the NFCCG, set our team up with a bull crap “media” driven schedule and then screw us out in the open, Live, caught on video, in Green Bay.

I’ve seen a LOT of dubious crap in my life as a Viking fan (Pearson pushoff anyone??) but HOLY CRAP its really steep and deep. MAN the f’n league just HATES the Vikings.

And right off I’m going to say STFU to ANYONE, Viking fan or not, that tells me I’m a whiner. Ya’…you deal with this repetitive crap for 40+ years. Yeah…I’m a whiner. Please,..STFU.

by Viking64 on Oct 26, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well that's two games that officiating basically took from us

Seriously, I don’t know how I could be more pissed at the refs for these games. Drives me F#$#$n bat nuts. Good God I want to see a 50k penalty on one or all of those refs.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Oct 26, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

How would Frasier help?

He is part of the Chilly system. No other team thinks he is good enough HC. Why would we want more of the same. Get some fresh blood.

by izziefans on Oct 25, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Mike Tomlin was a Chilly guy too …. and who has a super bowl ring ? Chilly or Tomlin? Frasier can do the same for us.

by Madden Allstar on Oct 25, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really???

When I wished a broken knee to Drew Brees, all hell broke loose! When I was happy about Reggie Bush, I got chastised and now our own QB goes down and….?

by izziefans on Oct 25, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check out my fanpost.

It’s enough to bring back all the hate you just buried from last night.

by Jepp The Viking on Oct 25, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coaching

Sure Frasier part of the team. He seems to be the only one who constantly makes the RIGHT adjustments after the half. Put Frasier in (after this season), let him also run the D, and bring in a dynamic offensive thinker. Just once in my forty years as a fan (no offensive to the great bud grant) can we just please match our talent with an equally talented coaching staff! We’ve had the pieces, but never have we put it all together.

by NCviking on Oct 25, 2010 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Ref's

Next time we play in a game with Scott Green, we should wear yellow shoes and socks. We might as well with all of the flags that jack@#$ has thrown our way.

by NCviking on Oct 25, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Given the quality of this year’s NFC, no way we’re out of it at 2-5. 9-7’s getting in this year; hell, 8-8 might get in again this year. Beating the Patriots would be great from a momentum standpoint, but this team isn’t done if we lose in Foxborough.

by NWOntario on Oct 25, 2010 5:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Randy Moss
Randy Moss spoke for every Vikings fan in the world when he held his arms out and gave the sidelines the WTF look as the clock ran down.

Well said sir, well said.

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by Admiral BigGun on Oct 25, 2010 5:40 PM CDT reply actions  

ted, is the terry jacks video some kind of homage to our own t-jax?

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Oct 25, 2010 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

also...

if all nfl players wore hair-doos like terry jacks’ helmet-fro, then i’ll bet the nfl could do away with the plastic helmets and that the number of concussions would go down.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Oct 25, 2010 7:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry to just jump in here but..

Can someone please tell me how Brett is suppose to be considered a starter next week when he has two fractures? If he looked off at times last week, next week will be a nightmare. The Pats will empty the house going after him :(

He needs to sit and get healthy.

by kenmtb on Oct 26, 2010 1:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Pretty bleak

I agree. Whats all this nonsense about Bart playing next week? Pull the f’n trigger, sit his ass & just let f’n AP run all day. Harvin can throw from the wild-cat. TJack wont do Jack…Period. We all know that.

The Pats must be licking their chops right now. This team is in dissarray & were debating who will/should play QB next week? Barts done for a while. Sit him. Everything, including his brain, appears to be cracked, chipped, broken or swelling at this moment. ….and he’s set to face the Pats? Pull the f’n trigger. sit him.

by Viking64 on Oct 26, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

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