Is Chilly On The Hot Seat?
by Ted Glover on Oct 28, 2010 12:44 PM CDT
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PrintI'm not a "Hey, look at me" kind of guy, usually. But if you'll let me name drop for a minute, I'll get to the point of the story. Last night I was a guest with host Nate Brown on ESPN Billings during his drive time show, and he brought up a story that first appeared over at Yahoo! sports and later discussed over at Mike Florio's Pro Football Talk site. Had the Vikings lost to Dallas, sources within the VIkings organization confirmed that Brad Childress was going to get shown the door and Defensive Coordinator Leslie Frazier would've been named head coach. Nate caught me off guard because I honestly hadn't seen the report, so I'm sure I stammered and stumbled like a complete doofus, but I wasn't buying it. There were a lot of things that would give me a strong case to say no he isn't, but after the interview, I started snooping around, and I've come to the conclusion that yeah, maybe he is.
Follow the reasoning, after the jump.
So my kneejerk reaction for saying no was fairly simple. Childress is a 'Zygi guy', and by that I mean Zygi really, REALLY wanted Childress as his head coach. If you'll remember, Chilly came to town for his interview, had another interview scheduled in Green Bay, and the Vikings kept him in town until they came to terms. His first seasn, he came in and was the anti-Tice, laying down a strict regimen and getting rid of a lot of embarrassments. His first clash was with franchise QB Daunte Culpepper, who had his image shattered on Lake Minnetonka and his knee shattered in North Carolina. Gone, with the double thumbs up approval of Zygi Wilf. He slowly changed the culture of the team, and improved every year, culminating in back to back division titles for the first time since 1975-76 and an appearance in the NFC Championship Game. His coaching record is 38-32, and got the Vikings their first playoff win since 2004 last year. He was awarded a contract extension in November of last year that runs through 2013, and pays him $4-5 million/yr. In the off-season, other than the Favre saga, every starter on both sides of the ball were coming back, and they were all healthy...allegedly. There was no reason to believe that the Vikings wouldn't be one of the pre-season favorites to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.
And firing a coach in mid-season rarely, if ever, works out for the best.
But still...early season struggles have brought a lot of ugly things to just below the surface. Chilly pulled out all the stops to get Brett Favre to come back for 2010, because his biggest appeal as a head coach, the ability to develop a quarterback, is something he hasn't been able to do in Minnesota. Favre was ambivalent, at best, about coming back, and needed coaxing from Ryan Longwell, Steve Hutchinson, and Jared Allen to come to Minnesota. And that was handled in an odd manner by Chilly. When he sent them down there, he instructed his assistants to lie about the whereabouts of the Three Amigos, concocting some lame story about them being inside the facility when everyone...everyone...knew they weren't there. Why?
I think that's a good question to ask, because the relationship between Chilly and Favre hasn't been really described as 'friendly'. The answer is obvious--Chilly needs Favre to win, because he doesn't think or believe that his pet project, Tarvaris Jackson, can do it.
On the eve of the regular season, Chilly traded Sage Rosenfels and Darius Reynaud to the New York Giants. Chilly never seemed to be a Rosie guy, and got him to New York, where Sage was happy to land. Some reports suggested that Chilly was never fully on board when the Vikes traded for Sage, and if true, Chilly now had the QB lineup he wanted--Favre, TJ, and Joe Webb.
By allowing Favre the latitude that he did in terms of showing up late, not going to minicamp, miss training camp, etc, he allowed a double standard. And honestly, when the Vikings were winning, no one cared. I didn't, and I defended the way things were handled. It worked to near perfection in 2009, and there was nothing on the radar that made people think it wouldn't work for one more season.
But now, coming off of a loss in Green Bay, Favre has a poor game, and Chilly is uncharacteristically animated in the post game press conference. I've seen his post game press conferences where he's been frustrated, but he really seemed more agitated than usual. Is it because he knows the heat is on?
Now he has a mess on his hands with Favre. Favre says he wants to try and play, and Chilly has all his chips on the table for this year, and he hasn't committed either way. If he plays Favre and Favre is terrible, he'll get crucified for playing him. If he plays Jackson and Jackson struggles, he'll get crucified for playing TJ and not giving Favre a chance to play, and all the other TJ arguments we've had will boil back to the surface.
So what happens if Favre starts and struggles, and then is replaced by TJ? In short, the Apocalypse.
And what if the Vikes lose? More importantly, what if TJ replaces Favre and the Vikes win? Another version of the Apocalypse.
Folks, winning cures everything, and losing exacerbates everything bad, and Chilly has painted himself into this QB version of the Kobayashi Maru scenario, and he has no good options.
Which is why I think he is on the hot seat.
Because unlike Admiral Kirk, I don't think Chilly has the werewithal to re-program this scenario.
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I don't think any coach
is going to get fired during the season.
Why hire a new coach to a hefty contract when you don’t even know if there’s a 2011 season to be played?
by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 28, 2010 12:50 PM CDT reply actions
They wouldn't...
They would likely promote Leslie Frazier to interim HC for the rest of the year and he would likely not need to sign a new contract.
Besides, even if they did sign a contract it would be contingent upon there actually being an NFL season to coach. They wouldn’t be stupid enough to leave out language that accounts for the possibility of a lock-out.
No way he does (at least I hope not for his sake). It’s gonna take 2-3 years to fix the mess Brewster created with the Gophers. I doubt Frazier wants to deal with that.
by packallday555 on Oct 28, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t think Childress is any danger to be fired in 2010, even if this season takes a nose dive…which is a real possibility, unfortunately.
But, if (and I said IF) things go disastrously wrong from here on out, Chilly may be gone next season.
Think about it: Favre out of retirement again, AD in the backfield, AND the Randy Moss trade, yet Childress still can’t pull off a successful season (I define success as the playoffs)? Yeah, it may be time to go in a new direction.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 28, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I could see the Cowboys...
… firing Wade Phillips.
Why they kept him after last year is beyond me.
But that’s Jerry Jones. Who can account for it?
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 28, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I am all for pulling Chilly off playcalling and gametime decision-making duties.
But that is an unlikely scenario.
The problem with firing Chilly, is that a new coach will want to bring in his own people, which is what I have a problem with. I like the staff, for the most part, I just can’t handle the mid-game DERP! moments that we see all too often with Childress.
I don't like Bevell
as Offensive Coordinator. He’s nothing but Klink’s yes-man.
They might promote Les. I’d like to see them do it. But I don’t think they will until it’s clear the season’s a wash.
by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 28, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
They need someone like Les as HC
And then a power-running game, play-action vertical attack OC. Screw the West Coast offense. We don’t have that kind of personnel. We’ve got home-run hitters at every position, we should be trying to hit for points so our pass rush can Tee off instead of having to stay on their heels like they do now.
by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 28, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bad strom rising?
This game has ‘get our ass kicked’ written all over it. What happens in that scenario? Adios Childos?
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 28, 2010 1:02 PM CDT reply actions
I think all coaches...
… are on the hot seat. All the time. Nobody has enough stature to survive losing for very long. The fans start to clamor for a new coach, interest wanes, season ticket sales dry up, and then owners have to listen.
But, there’s zero chance he’d be fired midseason, in my opinion, unless something really dramatic happens. For one thing, Ziggy doesn’t strike me as impulsive, rather more deliberative and rational. He also doesn’t strike me as a meddler, like Jerry Jones. He’ll let things play out before making a decision.
I know he was criticized for not bringing enough top football people on board to help with the Childress decision. Maybe that’s right, because Childress has been a mixed bag, at best.
But Ziggy is not impulsive or reckless. Firing Childress in the wake of a couple of losses would be just that, impulsive and reckless.
The only rational way to approach it is to identify the guy who you want before you pull the trigger. If Leslie Frazier is the guy (and I wouldn’t mind it, although you have to think there is some reason why he can’t break into the top spot after so many tries), they have the whole season to let things play out.
It’ll be easy to land Frazier after the season is over.
But, they should have an open search. You want to keep the possibility of someone else maybe being a better coach, better fit. That’s just good general principles.
For example, Bill Cowher. I don’t think he’d jump at the Vikings job, but you never know. It might be we could make it the right situation to succeed in. Just an example of the kind of guy out there you might consider. The Redskins landed Shanahan, that was a nice catch.
I don’t think all the problems can be dumped at Childress’s feet. Some of the game decisions have been awful. But, I’m not sure anyone could have known the formula that worked last year would fall so flat this year.
The point is, keep the search open, make the move not impulsively but when you have a better option there to improve the situation. I think Ziggy will go about it the right way, based on what I’ve seen of him. He seems like a very saavy, rational guy.
Dumping Childress now would be absurdly stupid, and would likely scare away any good NFL coach.
Nicely written article, by the way.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 28, 2010 1:16 PM CDT reply actions
Not all coaches
A couple come to mind right away:
Jeff Fisher
Mike Tomlin
Yeah lose enough games...
… and any coach will get fired. Those guys win. Fisher had one losing season last year.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 28, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
One losing season?
2000-2009 he had a winning season only 5 times, with a couple of real woofers in there (a 4 win and 5 win season).
Well perhaps...
… I don’t follow the Titans. I recall they’ve had some good success in years past.
If that’s true, then it’s a little inexplicable why he’s so secure.
But my point, anyhow, is that all you have to do is start losing and the hook comes out. That applies to anyone.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 28, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Normally, I agree 100%
but there’s also the stadium angle which I should’ve also mentioned in the OP. Wilf needs a new stadium, and he needs a commodity that is popular, and winning.
An unpopular coach running a team in disarray is not the scenario he wants to face as owner heading into the next legislative session.
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Certainly true.
But, if that’s right, then I don’t hold out much hope for good decision making vis a vis winning games.
Fans ALWAYS think they know what’s best. Even I’ve been known to hold strong opinions often with little facts. The popular opinion of players and coaches is usually based on incomplete, at best, understanding of the facts, and can often be flat wrong.
For example, Bill Belichick was pretty much a failure in his first head coaching job with the Browns. Anyone think he isn’t a great coach now?
Kicking a coach to the curb without a solid plan B is dumb, no matter how frustrated we get with the current situation. Fans sometimes provoke irrational decisions that don’t help the team.
I’ve often wondered about bringing Moss here, too, in the same context. I was as happy as anyone to get him, and we needed it, but how much was to get this team over the stadium hump? We all know how much VIkings fans feel warm and fuzzy about Moss. But was it the best decision out there? Maybe, maybe not.
As I’ve gotten older, I’ve come to realize that many times what seems obvious to the fans is wrong, and I give the coaches more benefit of the doubt.
Having said that, some of the calls in the Green Bay game have left me puzzled to say the least….
The best you can do is judge results, and from that standpoint, Childress is a mixed bag. Some positive things have happened, some negative. Whatever lack of success they’ve had, it isn’t for lack of opening the wallet to get top players. That’s happened. He got us to the very brink of a superbowl, which we probably would have won.
But we all feel things wanting right now. We’ll jump at the change, I probably would too, but I just hope the owners, who can actually make things happen, do it less with more reason and less of the emotion the fans feel.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 28, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree
Well said. It’s easy to see the warts when it’s your coach/staff, but they all screw up and rile their fans to some degree, even the ‘big name’ guys. Chilly has done a lot of things right, but still has things to improve on. Like not giving up on the first half until time runs out.
I really like the players we’ve been drafting/signing. I think our game plans tend to be good, if inflexible. The big question for me is, do we see continued growth and improvement? I can say that about some of the playcalling I’ve seen this year, offensively. Game management is still terrible. The tough thing as a fas is that we can’t get a feel for arguably his most important ability, and that’s his ability to inspire and lead the team when the camera’s aren’t rolling and they are practicing or prepping for a game.
As I think we’ve seen a lot of sluggish and uninspired starts this season, I’m worried that the trouble all starts there.
Don't buy it
Sorry.
I appreciate your opinion Ted, but I wish you would have spent a little less time elaborting on tht, and a little more effort substantiating the rumor. Becasue if I don’t believe the rumor is true, then, well, your opinion about a dubious rumor isn’t that interesting to me.
But, you didn’t substantiate it, so I had to do the legwork myself. ANd here’s what I cam up with: Florio, as usual, has absolutely no exclusive info himself, all he is doing is citing, sensationalizing, and cribbing the report at yahoo sports. Michael Silver Yahoo sports is a place that has been shown here time and time again to be a source of spurious rumors. And anyway, what exactly did Michael SIlver say??? He said this:
Some in the Vikings facility speculated before last Sunday’s victory over the Cowboys that a defeat could have led to Childress’ dismissal, with highly regarded defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier installed as the interim coach.
Look at the language he uses: “some in the vikings facility speculated.” Translation: no one has HERARD this, they are just SPECULATING. Also, this, as you can see, was buried at the end of a long article. THe absolute LAST paragraph of about 50 paragraphs of writing, under a kind of odds and ends. Not even Mike Silver is treating it like a big scoop. Only Mike Florio and you.
I like you Ted, I like your writing most of the ofiicail contributors here, I think you know that, I’ve said it more than once. Which is why I feel compelled to call you on this one. This article is not respnsible journalism. It’s sensationalizing unfounded rumors, something Florio or Ed Werder is known for. You are above that.
oh yeah one more thing
did you notice the paragraph where Silver wrote this has the header:
Over-The-Top, Ephedrine-Laced Diatribe Before Dawn
Surely that should have given some clue how serious to take it, if the ambiguity of the actual text itself didn’t?
Sometimes speculation is false, but sometimes speculation is true.
I think the whole tenor of his article was that of a speculation. And since he made that clear, to me at least, why should he have to substantiate it? I have done practically no legwork on this, but I did see the M. Silver article, and it was at least though-provoking if nothing else. I think that if the Vikings get soundly whipped on Sunday, there is a very real possibility that Zygi says “enough”, and places Frazier as interim head coach. That dries up some of the drama, and I believe the team respects him enough that it might be like a last desperation attempt at salvaging this season. I’m writing this on gut feeling alone. I’m probably wrong but lighten up already puddn!
I think the whole tenor of his article was that of a speculation. And since he made that clear, to me at least, why should he have to substantiate it?
Because he wrote this:
after the interview, I started snooping around, and I’ve come to the conclusion that yeah, maybe he is
Ted said he was initially skeptical about it, but then he investigated and found something that changed his mind. I’m curious what it was he found that convinced him it might be true enough to write a lead about it.
A couple things
First, it’s an opinion piece, as all of my stuff is. I don’t claim to be a journalist in the traditional sense and I never have—I have no sources inside the locker room and I don’t have a press pass to cover the team like Judd Zulgad does. Heck, I live in Illinois, so even if I did, it would be tough to do.
But I can look at the reactions of the coach, and I can survey the landscape. Chilly was rumored to be on the hot seat entering last year, and then pulled the Favre out of a hat trick, and he has created this quarterback situation all by himself. If it blows up, he’ll be held accountable.
Again, just my…opinion.
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Ted, with all due respect, you are fanning the flames of a rumor that has no more basis than the musings of a guy established to print “out there things” doing nothing more than relating that someone connected to the Vikings in some completely unspecified way — the way its worded, it could abe a security guard! — speculated that Chilly might be fired. Well I could speculate tht Chilly might be fired if they keep losing too. Buty me speculating doens’t mean I know anything!
Frankly this is less credible than “schismgate.” At least then Schefter (or whater his name is) could cite someone not completely ambiguous (a player) said a specific thing was actually happening, not merely guessing it might.
Don’t you find it interesting that all this was supposedly going on before the Cowboys game, but no one else in media picked it up? Maybe there is a reason no one else bothered to pick it up.
No Pulitzer for you! You write to your audience, which is what puddn apparently doesn’t understand. I was going to write him some crap but didn’t want to see my general comment quote blocked and analyzed (he’s got a lot of time on his hands – more than I do). If you were writing for the NY Times or whatever, I could understand “journalistic integrity” – you would ideally have to back up most things if not in a column, but … ah, you get it. You, Chris, Eric, and Skol Girl (if the rumors about her writing sexy letters to A, Rogers are true – well that is BLASPHEMY!) , anyway it’s very difficult to come up with articles everyday and your efforts are appreciated.
So … you’re Ok with this site pouring fuel on the fire of vague and completely unsubstantiated rumors? In fact, based upon my googling this site has done the most to propogate this rumor. Like I said, the original report is buried in paragraph #50 of a post with a subheading which makes pretty clear it is wild speculation.
You say Ted is “writing to his audience.” Well isn’t this the same audience that has repeatedly shown disgust with other unsubstantiated rumours such as “schismgate” and all the stuff ESPN says & has lead many to call them BSPN? The iriony here is that this report is even more vague and less substanitated than those.
p.s. nice putdowns you squeezed in there.
No offense intended puddnhead.
You obviously are a very good writer/slash researcher and my beer laced diatribe up above, I guess I just meant that you, in my opinion, were getting rather picky over an OPINION piece. I would barely even call it an opinion piece. It was more like a "just sayin’ " piece and I really don’t think it was intended to cause a giant fuss – because we all understand that it IS speculation. Anyway I do like most of your musings so that’s about all I have to say about the matter ( I really need to get some groceries and do some laundry big time!) Take care guy.
It also comes right after a paragraph where he rips the refs in the Vikings/Packers game for calling the last Harvin catch a touchdown. Really? Of all the bad officiating in that game, thats the call he rails against and get animated about? Silver is and has been a joke and like all other media outlets, he smells what he thinks is blood in the Vikings locker room and is writing something to get himself some attention. Heck I can do it too: I over heard some Charger facility people speculating that if they don’t win this weekend against Tennessee, Norv Turner will be tar, feathered, and carried out of town by a screaming mob. Now if someone can forward that to PFT so it can be spread around like its the truth without confirming it with anyone that would be fantastic and exactly what happened with the Silver article.
Also has anyone asked or confirmed who these “viking facility” people he was talking too are? I mean, the janitor at Winter Park is a member of the Vikings facility, but just cause he says it doesn’t mean it going to or would have happened. My guess is that whoever talked to Silver (if anyone did) has no pull or say in any of the decision making and if confronted about it would deny everything to keep their job. Unless you’re Jerry Jones, owners and the people who run NFL teams don’t go talking to reporters about this kind of stuff. If unsubstantiated rumors and hear say are what qualifies as reporting these days we are all fucked on so many levels.
Interesting..
Here’s a thought: Sometimes rumors hit the media and the owners/managers/coaches look at it and consider it or take it to heart.
An example: How long did this blog alone keep asking for Randy Moss!!!?!?!!?!?
We wanted him ever since Rice couldn’t play… We begged, we hoped, we prayed, and BOOM here he is…. Many have said, we’re looking at a pipe dream…
It’s almost like the front office reads what we put on this blog and considers it..
Jus say’n…
Fans have been clamoring for Randy since he left (I know I have anyways) and thinking that ownership takes personnel decisions from message boards is a fans pipe dream, created in their own minds to feel as though they have some ownership in the team themselves. If that was the case, why did we stop at Randy Moss? We fans could have just banded together and told the team to trade everything away for Peyton Manning or Tom Brady and we settled for Randy? I’m sure that having Moss come back as a way to fire up the fan base entered their minds (you don’t have to read the DN to know that fans in MN still love them some Moss), but I can next to guarantee this thought never entered their heads:“I read on the message boards that fans like Randy Moss, we should go get him based on that”
Do teams ownership look at or read blogs/rumors? Of course they do, but that doesn’t mean they make their decisions based on it. Plus if they were doing their business based off of what is said on the internet, would they have given Childress an extension? Again, not how it works.
Personally I hope they don't
we ‘re a bunch of maniacs…. I wouldn’t trust us to coach a pee wee league.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I would be surprised if there is any truth to this report at this point
However if the joy ride down the tubes continues, say hello to Jon Gruden in 2011.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Gruden...
I peed myself a little at that thought.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
which is better than
shiteing yourself, right?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Good Job Ted...
I live close to Billings and I listen to Nate brown almost everyday during the “Sports Drive” as he calls it and I thought that Ted Glover did a great job on the show. And if your reading this? I read a lot of your articles and I was suprised when you came on the show you nailed it. Great job Ted. Nate Brown is a die hard Denver Brancos fan and he picks on the Vikings a little. So it was good to here a Vikings guy on the radio out here.
Kobayashi Maru
..I had some for lunch today, with a side of Edamame and fried rice…yum
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
Is this a veiled attempt at picking at the Cleveland Browns?
They look like little Cleveland Brown heads!
oooh..you're right..
…suddenly, not so yummy anymore..
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Oct 28, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
what if
favre did a selfless act and let t jack take the first series, then come in after that. He could prove he isnt here for stats, and tell the team he is there for them. I think that would throw off the pats a little to see him come in a series or two later. Also it could help provide some overdue chemistry!!!
now that would be cool..
…a totally impossible pipe dream? yeah…but cool idea nonetheless.
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Oct 28, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
its a play out of bellichecks book
the ol’ swap-sie
keep em on their feet
then line up favre in the back field for added interest during the next play?
ok I don't think I can reasonably respond to this
as well I kinda don’t like Childress. Saying this, you need to look at the talent he has on this team, this isn’t a Washington Redskins buy a bunch of talent every year and hope we can stick it together ether, everyone on this team has at least a year of playing with each other at an elite level (except Moss) so there is no reason why we should not be winning. Yes Favre is slowing down. Deal with it. Get him in gear, put TJ in. Don’t beg his ass to come back. Childress needs to take control of the team. Then he needs to propel the team in the direction he wants. He can’t just sit back and hope the team takes care of itself.
I personally hope Childress gets the axe, our team is not to instantly suck next year contrary to what many people might think. We still have the best running back in the game. We’ll still have a solid front seven on defense. We’ll still have great receivers. You can’t tell me this is a team that should be happy at 2-4.
In closing we should hold a lottery and let the winner run over Childress with a Zamboni. Oh and Bevel needs a punch in the spine.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I think he has a hard time even holding the water bottle...
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Nothing I love Zamboni's
and I would love them even more if one fell out of the sky and crushed the leprechaun… Just the word is fun ZAM BONE EEE!!!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
"punch in the spine"
To Jared Allen. The guy has been garbage this year. Yeah I said it he has been a piece of turd this year. What pass rush? Ray Edwards has been better this yeas!
By the way Chilly turned the whole culture of the team around. I wouldn’t fire him just yet. The only available guy I would like to see take over is Bill Cowher(sorry if I spelled it wrong but not looking it up).
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
Jared has gotten some push into the back field
what i’ve noticed is that he’s played some very good tackles, he’s been doubled a lot and he still gets pressure. What I’ve also noticed is his speed rush has lost a bit and I think he needed his mullet to be aerodynamic,…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Good tackles like...
Chad Clifton, please. Clifton is average and he dominated Jared.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
In Clifton's defense
This isn’t the first time he’s completely shut down Allen before. Granted the two most notable times where years ago before injuries and surgeries mounted up, but still…
by PackApologist on Oct 29, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Jake Long are pro-bowlers so they're pretty good.
by CanadianViking on Oct 29, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
So if the top tackles stop Jared and he
Still only has 1 sack after 6 games there is reason for concern. Other than the two tackles you named he has no excuses. If Jared is one of the top DEs in the league shouldn’t he be able to get a sack or pressure against even the best LTs? Right now he isn’t getting much of a rush against anyone.
Also Jared isn’t getting much pressure and the INT he had was thrown right to him. He looks a step slow this year and I hope he picks it up. Ray Edwards looks better right now. Jared is 28 and suppose to still be in his prime. Undisclosed injury, slow start or worse a drop in play?
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
Not really defending his lack of production just pointing out that those two tackles are among the best in the NFL in my opinion.
There’s no excuse for Allen not getting pressure on Rodgers because he was one on one for the whole game and Clifton is not in the class of Ferguson and Long. In the Saints game he saw constant doubles but really the only game this year I saw Allen get good pressure was the Dallas game where he went against Doug Free who’s in his first year as a starter.
I’m not sure what the problem is with Allen but the lack of production is a problem for our whole D-line right now. A couple things I’ve noticed are that Pat Williams rarely gets doubled anymore and Robison, Kennedy, and Guion aren’t getting any pressure in their third-down opportunities. Actually I haven’t even noticed Robison on the field lately. Is he still out with an ankle injury?
by CanadianViking on Oct 29, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Robinson is still out, I think...
Pat Williams has slowed and we can see why this will be his last year. The Vikings don’t blitz much, but they should start to more. They simply arent getting enough pressure from their front 4 and have to do something.
My big issue with Allen is him bragging in the past that he isn’t much of a weightroom guy. What? So it basically tells me that if he pushed himself harder in the weightroom he could be even better, more consistent and stronger against the Jake Long’s of the league. It is getting obvious that agianst top or even good LTs Jared is getting shut down. This means he is not one of the best at his position anymore.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
4 RECEIVER SET!
Favre in the backfield..
T-Jack taking the snap in shot-gun formation.
Center Hikes the ball to T-Jack… Does he run? Does he pass?
No, he flips it back to Favre for the long bomb to MOSS!
TD VIKINGS!!!!!
HAHAHA
Possibly, but he wouldn’t be the one taking the snap..
Defenses would think, okay 1 of 2 things is happening here..
Either he is a DECOY! Or, he is getting the ball to throw it..
And if he’s already a few extra yards back 10 yards, just more time to throw, right?
What I thought would have been awesome..
If in the Jets game, Favre hiked the ball in shot-gun formation.. Handed off to Moss, and Favre went downfield and happened to surprisingly catch the ball like he did and run it in for the TD. I think I would of crapped myself silly if that happened.
Someone could be like wat happened?
They’d respond.. Moss just threw a TD pass to Favre!!
They’d be like, don’t you mean Favre threw a TD pass to Moss?
They’d come and say.. “NO!!! Flipp’n Moss threw a TD to Favre, I know it sounds crazy, but it just happened!”
the SUPER wildcat
3 qbs, 3 runningbacks. The center hikes the ball into the huddle of six people, they all run towards the endzone. One of the six has the ball tucked into his jersey, the others have shoes tucked in there. Chaos ensues
by redhearring on Oct 28, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love this play
Darko is my bodyguard.
by Premier Cherdenko on Oct 28, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Total insanity...
it’s like in baseball, when they all gather at the pitchers mound, but the first baseman runs off w/ the ball.. And when the runner leads off, he gets tagged out.
Maybe if we'd fired Chili last week
we would’ve beat the Packers on Sunday. It would’ve been a net win for us, the fans.
by princelyfrank on Oct 28, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I would not fire Childress.
The Vikings are in a tough spot at 2-4 mainly because of Brett Favre. He has never been much of a game manager and with Sidney out he has been forcing things. Yeah he has Randy Moss now so I have no more excuses for him.
I know I’m dreaming but if I could I would much rather see the Vikings pull out of this and win a SB with Tavaris Jackson rather than Favre returning to form and leading the team to a SB. Yes there is a .0005% chance the Vikes win a SB with T.Jack, I realize that, but man it would be sweet to do it without Favre and not have to cater to his every whim anymore.
I always hated Favre before he came to Minny and those of you Viking fans that said you respected him from afar are mostly lying. It is just because he plays for the Vikes now that we have to support him and there was a time and maybe still so that he gives the Vikes their best chance to win. I’m not so sure anymore, even T.Jack wouldn’t have made some of those terrible INTs(throws).
He had a great year last season when teams weren’t sure how to stop the Vikes. Now with his go to WR out, in his 2nd season in Minny he is forcing things. Hopefully Sidney come back because with enough weapons Favre can still have a field day. Without all his weapons intact he is a QB that will lose games for his team by forcing things, so Sidney get well soon.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
+1000000
I personally feel exactly the same. Win with TJack, a TRUE Viking, not some mercenary Ego-maniac. We are all sheep in Favre’s circus, thinking he is the savior. He was great last year. Fine. But we didn’t win it all and this year he is playing like crap and has been a distraction literally every week (missing camp, injury excuses, said “Chilly doesn’t have a clue”, JENN STERGER, getting the Jets extra fired up to beat on their old QB, then getting the Packers extra fired up to beat on their old QB).
Enough. Time to end the drama, play TJack, for the present and the future. Then let the chips fall where they may.
I agree Ace
We keep Chilly, and next year Favre is like " Maybe I can still play." So this time we send down Allen, Hutchinson, Longwell, Borack OBama, Oprah, the cast of ‘Friends’ and the French Foreign Legion (and Sterger if he gets difficult) to Hattiesburg, and blah, blah. I’m tired of this crap and it needs to end. Kansas City, Tampa Bay – regular no bullshit teams with unproven guys, they are doing quite well – we have proven guys. I’ll bet the players in the clubhouse are sick of all the crap too so, something needs to change.
Hasn't Childress been on the hot seat since 2006?
Ever since his first season People have HATED Childress. However, the team has improved under his watch so the HATE lessened.
Personally I didn’t (still don’t) agree with the contract extension he got last year.
As for firing him….. if we lose to the patriots…..I’d consider shipping him off to the gulag.
Darko is my bodyguard.
by Premier Cherdenko on Oct 28, 2010 7:19 PM CDT reply actions
It's because he has the sould of a wrinkled old pickle
He has no leadership ability. A head coach HAS to have leadership.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I'm standing by Chilly
At least for the remainder of the season! He’s not the “Main” reason we’re losing. It’s amazing how quick all of us are to find “someone” to blame for our poor performance so far. Injuries and poor execution on the field by key players in critical moments are to blame, not to mention the ass clowns called “officials.” Keep the faith purple! SKOL VIKINGS!
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
Childress on the hot seat
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe Favre alls his own plays. If that’s true, then C is ultimately responsible for how the offense goes. So far, not a good report card for Childress. To his defense, Favre has single-handedly been a major factor in all of their losses. Even if the play calling was ill advised on passing plays, C didn’t force Favre to throw picks in crucial situations. He also hasn’t caused Bret’s fumbles. Bret should know better than to make bad passes. He is CLEARLY pressing and just needs to relax and let the game come to him. Maybe C needs to do the same thing. But, at this point I have a suspicion that Childress has lost his players and perhaps the owner should make a change. At the very least, C needs to tell Bret Favre to grab a seat on the bench and think about all the mental mistakes he’s made so far. So, yes………he’s on the hot seat and rightfully so……….but Favre has not helped Childress look good at all!
by jjlovesfootball on Oct 28, 2010 9:21 PM CDT reply actions
Chilli stays in 2010 with one exception
Chilli stays because if he is replaced by the defensive coach the offense stays the same. If Bevell becomes HC (scarry I know) then everything remains the same. If we had a real offensive coach then that would work, but we don’t.
The only way he goes during the year is if Zygi brings in Dungy, or Tomlan, or the TUNA/WHALE (just dreaming) and says do what you can this year I know you are stuck with what you got, but get to know them the staff and players so you will know who you want to keep and who you want to get rid of going forward.
Chilli never took his mentor’s advice. His mentor said “fix your QB problem” after his first victory over the Chilli Vikings and Brad has yet to do that.
BF will start because we have not # 2 QB only a failed QB project and and yet to be started QB project. What a mess our HC project has turned into.
Ok this whole thing is moot
Chilly will be the head coach because the universe hates the Vikings. We will continue to get shit calls by the refs and crap coaches as our head coach. Mean while we will continue to ship off coordinators who set up super bowl teams. This is the lot of a true Viking fan. If you think any differently you havn’t been on the boat long enough.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I gotta sound off on the whole Favre thing.
Who is the better qb right now? A 40 year old hobbled, imobile QB that makes poor decisions or TJack?
Not only was TJack an OK qb, he doesn’t need a wheel chair to leave the pocket.
1. TJack can escape pressure, which is pretty important since our backs can’t pick up blitzing pressure very well.
2. TJack was an OK qb when he did start for us, and his last starts were for a FAR less talented team than the one on the field now.
3. Favre is hobbled, completely imobile, and has lost his newfound ability to not turn the ball over.
I don’t see how a reasonable person can say that Brett Favre is more likely to lead us to a win next week than TJack. And should’t that issue be the only one that matters?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
brian billick anyone?
i am a little surprised that brian billick’s name has not been mentioned. i always thought he did a good job with the ravens. he took a no-name offense, taught them how NOT to lose a game, and relied on a great defense to win a superbowl for him. probably not a good blueprint for winning, but it worked. i have to give childress some credit (some has to go to spielman) for bringing in good football players, both through the draft, and bringing in veterans. he just doesn’t seem to grasp the game management idea. billick was always a great motivator, plus he is a offense guy, elimintaing the need for bevell. i believe he was our o-cord when we set the scoring record. anyway, just a random thought.
by indianavikesfan on Oct 29, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
"Is Chilly On The Hot Seat?"....no....Chilly Is On The Toilet Seat !!! (taking a leak sitting down again).
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(p.s. sorry to any f-males in the crowd….it’s just a joke.)
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
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