Vikings Wave Goodbye To Moss, Apparently The 2010 Season
by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 1, 2010 4:15 PM CDT
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PrintSomewhere, Mike Lynn is laughing hysterically.
Why? Because the former Vikings GM who helped orchestrate the infamous Herschel Walker trade between Minnesota and Dallas no longer holds the title of Dumbest Vikings Move Ever.
Just under a month ago, the Vikings traded a third round draft pick for Randy Moss. They received the following in return: 13 receptions, 174 yards, two touchdowns, one win out of four games, one memorable press conference, zero new head coaches, and one incredibly incensed fan base thanks to one horribly failed transaction.
As nearly all of you have now heard (especially since Chris and Ted have already posted about it here), Randy Moss was released today by the Vikings. Of course, the team is pointing to his bizarre press conference last night and saying he "wasn't the type of guy they wanted". I'm not disputing that Moss can be a handful, especially when his team isn't doing well. He definitely takes plays off, but he was also the only semblance of a deep threat the Vikings had. He had one catch for eight yards on Sunday, but he commanded double teams on nearly every play. I can guarantee you that Percy Harvin wouldn't have had over 100 yards receiving without Moss' presence yesterday.
So sure, I guess you can point to Moss' attitude as a reason for parting ways. But EVERYONE ALREADY KNEW ABOUT HIS ATTITUDE! WHY TRADE FOR HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE IF YOU WERE SO EFFING CONCERNED ABOUT IT?! I hate to sound like your typical angry sports blogger, but HOLY CRAP I AM AN ANGRY SPORTS BLOGGER RIGHT NOW!
The Vikings knowingly took a gamble when they traded for Moss. It wasn't really paying off during the first month. But inexplicably cutting him after only four games was kind of like going all in during a Texas Hold 'Em hand only to fold before the river card is even dealt. This move just screams, "Well, we gave it a shot but it didn't work out. Better luck next year I guess." How are Viking fans supposed to continue to support a 2-5 team without a modicum of leadership or direction to be found? Are Jerry Jones and Zygi Wilf having some sort of competition to see who can sabotage a Super Bowl hopeful more that I don't know about? (That's the only logical reason I can come up with as to why Brad Childress and Wade Phillips are still gainfully employed.) This season has me feeling like I took more crazy pills than Mugatu in "Zoolander".
I can appreciate that the Vikings put all their eggs in the 2010 basket--they begged for Favre to return, scrambled to trade for Moss, and spent more money than all but a couple of teams in the uncapped year. They realized the window of opportunity was closing fast. Unfortunately, the one rotten egg in charge has appeared to spoil the entire basket.
It's painfully obvious that the Vikings released the wrong person today. I'd be shocked if there was one player in the Viking locker room that is able to take Brad Childress seriously now. It's impossible to take anything he says at face value--even The Boy Who Cried Wolf would call B.S. on anything that comes out of Childress' mouth these days. Yesterday's game was yet another sparkling example of how inept he is as a head coach. Today might be the best example of how inept he is as a leader.
I think most Viking fans wanted a big change after going 2-5. But I think we were all surprised that the change was throwing in the towel instead of correcting the most glaring problem.
Ugh. Right now, it's hard to think about anything other than how Jake Locker or Andrew Luck will look as a member of the Los Angeles Vikings in two years. Just another Monday after another depressing loss in Minnesota. Sounds like we're all gonna have a case of the Mondays for the foreseeable future.
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Enjoyed that line
Are Jerry Jones and Zygi Wilf having some sort of competition to see who can sabotage a Super Bowl hopeful more that I don’t know about?
Complain directly to Zygi
I realize this is a little different, but has anyone come across an e-mail address or website that the Vikes ownership might actually read.
This reminds me of the time I bought a brand new Lexus, you know one of the most reliable cars on the road, and the tranny blew out after 5000 miles. I felt ripped off and pissed, and wanted a brand new replacement. I called, emailed and had my lawyer rip off a few letters, and lo and behold, I got a new car!
We need to do this to Zygi, I’m seriously pissed, and as a paying consumer of the Viking product(s), I want a direct line to the ownership. Someone find it, post it in a blog, and lets rain some holy hell down on the ownership. They are killing a team that we have supported wholeheartedly for several years, filling the stadium and such… Lets do this, get rid of Brad, I don’t know, make Brett the head coach/QB, maybe bump Frazier up, have a miracle transaction to get Moss back, so we at least have a chance the rest of the season.
I thought our attack was just about to turn a corner against the weaker teams, and here we go, with an obvious attempt to sabotage the Vikes for an early first round pick, second round pick and a…oh we gave away our third round pick….ahhhhhhhhh…WTF!
Sorry about the rant, but we need to mount a full vikings charge on the front office before we lose this team to some suck butt city…
Let me give you Ziggy's reaction
When told that Vikings fans are really pissed, Ziggy will say,
“Really? Huh.”
Don’t expect much more than that from an owner that lives in New Jersey.
Dumb trade? Yes
Dumb Waiver? Hell No. Trust me when I say I wanted Randy Moss to come back and light the score board up. Didnt happen that way. What he did and said can be easily summarized as Quitting. I still am disgusted by his presser. He was on the field on Sunday but he didnt play at all. That pass interference play, the ball was catch-able. He should STFU about coaching strategies and adjustments and what not and play to his full potential. Maybe then coaches would have taken him seriously.
Season is not over. If the Vikings happen to lose 8 games, then we can all call for Chilly’s head on a platter. For now ride it out. The media exaggerates enough crap already. Lets not play into their fears.
Skol Vikings!!
could'nt disagree with you more...
The trade was needed, and still is. Brett has no one to throw to, unless you count Greg Lewis and Camarillo. Harvin will have the whole opposing team draped on him, Shaincoe keeps tripping on his dong, and Berrian…well he just plain sucks.
Watch as the Chicago Bears gobble Moss up, and we really pay for this non-sense. Oh, did I mention we lost a draft pick for this…
and that is the biggest reason why this is a dumb move
Chilly could have fined him, not started him, or even made him inactive for a game. Releasing Moss like this is BAT SHIT INSANE!!!!!
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
Season over.
Last year was a fluke. Childress runs a shitty offense and the defensive scheme is garbage. We need a real coaching staff to maximize talent. We should have waived Childress.
"This town, this night, this crowd
Come on put them up, let me hear it loud"
by Stay classy, Joe. on Nov 1, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you LA Viking
We weren’t winning with him. If we don’t win without him,l everyone can call this one like they already have.
But unless there’s a GM or head coach in this crowd, I’m with you in saying we owe it to the NFC North Champs to see how this plays out, and that includes our “horrible” coach who has helped turn this team around.
RONG RONG RONG RONG RONG RONG!
Randy Moss was fun, and he was doing a very good job spreading the field. Indeed he is older, slower, and lacks the stamina that once made him the most terrifying raw talent in the game. But he’s still got great hands, still has great moves, and he knows how to pick his spots in a game. Moss is still capable of catching a game-winning touchdown pass, but he simply can’t do twenty all-out sprints down field anymore. He can do four or five, and his kick is limited to three or four long strides, not fifteen.
Understanding his limitations and his strengths, Moss could have been an integral part of an very entertaining, successful offense. Instead, Brad Childress decided to treat Moss as an employee, not a human being. The functional moral lesson here is that the corporatist, authoritarian approach to football (like the old Dallas Cowboys) doesn’t work anymore. Dallas is now finding that out, and so is Minnesota. Whether they learn from this and adopt a more effective approach is what we will see next. I’m betting that Zygi Wilf is too stupid to figure it out, but I could be wrong.
WRONG ? today's fan comment brought to you by the letter "double-ewe".
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I will not
be watching anymore vikings games.
"This town, this night, this crowd
Come on put them up, let me hear it loud"
by Stay classy, Joe. on Nov 1, 2010 4:31 PM CDT reply actions
A lot of people have sworn off the Vikes today
Whenever hundreds of fans are refusing to watch you for the rest of the year, you might want to reconsider your actions, no?
Proud contributor to Daily Norseman and SB Nation Minnesota
by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 1, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I personally haven't sworn them off...
…but why would I criticize them for waiving Moss? They took a chance, glad they did, and quickly realized it was a cancer from the start. Good riddens!
Cancer????? Havin loved Moss......the HC should be able to handle a little criticism...especially when you are losing this much
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
Seems the players agree that this wasn't the way to handle it
He has a history of running his mouth off and it was a risk from the start. I personally like the move, especially if we aren’t signing him this year. Percy will be impacted by the move but right now I am already looking at our draft poition for next year. No reason to think playoffs at this point. they haven;t shown me they can win a tough game at all.
I can see why you would say that, but the season is not lost yet
A lot of it would depend of when Sidney R is coming back and if TJack has gotten any better over the past 2 years. It is hard to believe Farve can finish the season on one leg.
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
It is Fall, and the leaves have turned...
The lakes are pretty this time of year. Most of the birds have flown south, and the breeze is chilly off the water. A Sunday stroll around Isles or Calhoun is quite enjoyable, and you may find the lack of frustration as healthful as the physical act of walking outdoors.
It would be nice to have a good football team, but it simply isn’t going to happen this year. Better to turn off the TV and do something more pleasant than watching a bad team go down in flames.
I wonder where I put my roller blades…
Moss Quit
Plain and simple he quit. He didn’t give up on a play he just flat out quit. He doesn’t quit on that play and makes the TD catch then Favre wouldn’t have to drop back in an obvious passing down and take that hit. A player who quits and causes your starting QB to get hurt should be fired.
Even with that said. Childress should also be fired.
Yes, he did
But didn’t we KNOW he’d do that before we signed him?!? And didn’t we KNOW that he’d talk a lot and possibly be a locker room distraction before we signed him?!? I think it has more to do with a coach that isn’t capable of dealing with the players that he has. Childress’ precious “system” doesn’t work for these players – he needs to adjust his “system” to the players, not the other way around.
WR, CB, K & P of the Minnesota Machine
He quit...being young
Seems like everybody is blaming Randy Moss for failing to remain young and super. Did you really think he was still the 4.28, sprint all day Moss from ten years ago? Or even the Moss from three years ago? He’s not.
But, for a team that has that flexibility and imagination to use him for what he still offers, Randy Moss could be quite valuable.
Whoops, wrong coach!
Mike Lombardi confirms
Chilly didn’t get permission from FO before waiving Moss
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
you would think that would be the end of Chilly.
by SeanInEauClaireWi on Nov 1, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
no word on that yet
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
GOOD!
Glad we got rid of that POS! Now let’s go get Vincent Jackson after the year is done. We need another star wideout because now Percy is going to suffer—assuming his injury isn’t that bad.
Should have traded for VJ before the trade deadline
This will be Farve’s last year. Who is going to throw VJ the ball?
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
Well he was thrown into the game with like a minute to go
and looking at trying to move down the field, given plays that were basically pointless.
as someone who has been forced to watch Trent Edwards for the past three years
I have little faith TJack will be any better than he was two years ago.
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
+1
You guys went to the playoffs with T-Jack in 08.
The thing with T-ack is that he is young. He should only get better the more starts he gets, and starts with the 1st team offense building chemistry.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Percy is Livid
Chilly is an official and complete idiot.
The team is gone. They are never ever getting a stadium.
You don’t just give up 3rd round picks like that.
THIS IS PUTRID.
BRAD (12 men in the huddle) CHILDRESS IS AN IMBECIL OF CEREMONIOUS PROPORTIONS
he doesnt fit the offense
only players ok with the following playbook can stay:
1-run right
2-run right
3-run right with backup runningback
4-punt or run right if within goalline/3yards of first down
sprinkle in a BB/Shank dropped pass or interception when drive is going well
It Had To Be Done
Moss was taking most plays off.
He’s the exact opposite of Favre, who would crawl out there (and give his absolute best) to play.
Lets not get carried away here about the season being lost crap. Vickings still win the division, albeit it at 9-7.
It didn't matter
If Moss shot his damn mouth off and took plays off. I read a great article on Yahoo about how Favre got injured because Moss took that play off- that’s about the only thing I can think negative about this.
The truth is, Moss, whether he takes plays off or not, DEMANDS DOUBLE COVERAGE. With that factor in place, Percy Harvin was free to make the field his personal playground. Granted, he’s injured, but we have no clue as to what extent. Furthermore, Moss seemed to be becoming something of a role model to Harvin- that’s not a terrible thing, considering Favre was also there to probably keep the negative effects of just such a relationship at bay.
We played better with Moss- period. Our offense finally started clicking against Green Bay and against the Pats- that was because Moss was there allowing Harvin to do his thing. Now that Moss is not there, Harvin will be asked to do the same things he was before the trade- and that was NOT working for him.
I read that article too, and thought it was a load of crap really. The play where Moss gave up on that ball wasn’t even the play that Favre took that big hit was it? I mean seriously, I can understand faulting him for shitty effort (cause it was) but he was hardly at fault for Favre getting hit as he threw.
Getting rid of Moss really makes no sense. I can’t even begin as to why they’d get rid of him. I was seriously in shock when I read it. That Yahoo! piece was the first and only thing I initially saw about it and I didn’t really believe it. Then no more than 2 minutes later articles starting popping up all over the place about him being released.
by packallday555 on Nov 1, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
zygi
1. Please Fire Childress
2. Hire Frazier…if you wait until the season is over you will lose him
3. Please retire Brett.
zygi
clean house,
frazier also no good, his defense cannot tackle, the first fundamental of defenses…
there is a reason he never gets hired…
Paper Bag Time
Get those brown bags with eyeholes cut in them ready—this team is a total mess right now.
This whole situation—hell, this whole Vikings season—is so improbably stupid that I don’t even know who or what to criticize.
f.m.l.
by Midnight Rambler on Nov 1, 2010 4:56 PM CDT reply actions
Hey, that's our thing lol.
"It's about time something good like this happened." Drew Brees
by saints_r_us#9 on Nov 1, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't waived today, but it's just a matter of waiting until tomorrow.
Maybe Childress will be waived on Wednesday.
Wait, really?
He’s not officially waived yet?
QUICK ZYGLIIIIII…….. FIRE CHILDRESS NOOOOWWWWW AND PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING!
If this is true, in the immortal words of Gandalf- “Hope is kindled!” But only if Wilf takes action NOW!!!!!
The only thing anyone REALLY knows
Is that Childress told the Viking players that Moss was no longer with the Vikings. That’s it. The media then decides to say he’s already waived. When NOBODY REALLY KNOWS!!!
Nash don't lie
-Credit given to RMason, stolen by..er..permission given to GiantBehemoth
by GiantBehemoth on Nov 1, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I just want to get a better idea on this:
Moss was supposedly:
1) Taking plays off
2) downplayed childress
Now, taking these into account, and if there is more, please let me know, was this release worth it?
I don’t think so really. The guy DOES in fact open things up for Harvin, and you guys traded a 3rd for him, and he’s only at the vikings for one year. Plus you guys are already 7 games into the season, and why waive after 4 GAMES???
Are these the reasons why he shouldn’t have been waived? Should he have been waived?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
2 and fucking 14 here we come...
the great les stecklel’s worst viking team in recent memory is now in serious jeopardy..
….sorry, i dont curse usually on here.. but it doesn’t matter if moss got ZERO throws to him the rest of the season… it clearly opened up the slot for percy and others as he ALWAYS had the 2nd DB over the top…
good by chilly, you are now officially lame duck.. hope you fucking blow up in a tragic kiln explosion..
why couldn’t they waive chilly??? that was the announcement we were waiting to hear!!!
now excuse me while i go look for something really high to jump from..
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
So Will The Bears, Patriots, Or Packers Claim Moss Off Waivers?
It’s not as if any of those moves make any less sense than anything the Vikings have done this year.
by Midnight Rambler on Nov 1, 2010 5:02 PM CDT reply actions
pats will not get him back.
I’m 95% sure of it.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
I would say the Rams, Skins, and Packers would be my top three in that order
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
I'd put Chicago ahead of Green Bay
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Nov 2, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Packers might really want him
Because Driver’s injury isn’t getting any better and Jennings is getting doubled a lot.
I love the idea of him going to the Bengals...
T.O.
Ocho-Cinco
Randy Moss
I believe the expression would be a DISarray of Weapons!
by ViolentSilence on Nov 2, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
time to cut percy!
Mpls strib:
Despite being limited, Harvin had a huge performance with six catches for 104 yards. Afterward, he questioned his team’s lack of adjustments in the second half.
“In the second half they made a couple of adjustments, and I think we played into their hands,” he said. “They were ready for a couple of our plays there in the second half. We didn’t do a good job of making adjustments. That’s why [Patriots coach Bill] Belichick is as good as he is. He makes those adjustments. They were able to pull it out.”
Asked why the Vikings had problems doing that, Harvin smiled and paused for a few seconds. “It’s a team effort,” he said. “It’s all of us, got to put a little more effort. It’s little things.”
waiting...
Why is it taking so long for the team to release the firing of Childress.
"This town, this night, this crowd
Come on put them up, let me hear it loud"
by Stay classy, Joe. on Nov 1, 2010 5:09 PM CDT reply actions
Chilly hasn't been able to expalin is decision because he is too busy kissing Ziggy's ass
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
I'm sorry but doesn't even come close to the Lynn/Walker deal
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Probably not
But I’m still caught up in a lot of angry hyperbole right now.
Proud contributor to Daily Norseman and SB Nation Minnesota
by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 1, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
say your prayers tonight...."please, let me wake up to no chili-dog"....this could still turn around.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I hear a lot of T-Jack talk.
But i think most of you can agree that Chilly has signed his walking papers. This was a fiasco, regardless of whether the trade should have been made to begin with, or whether he should be waived.
T-Jack is Chilly’s hand picked QB of the future. With Chilly’s ultimate dismissal it would make since that T-Jack wouldn’t last long under a new coach’s regime.
I'm just....massively, massively dissapointed.
I love the Vikings. I love Randy Moss. Everything about this has the stench of stupidity, confusion and the general aura of we-don’t-know-what-we’re-doing-so-we’re-grasping-at-straws. Seriously, in what universe does this make any sense? None, is the answer. None universes.
I’m actually at the point where I’m in a state of disbelief. A state where I can’t actually believe that this is my team. It’s embarassing. A bad, under-performing season I can handle…but I don’t get this.
If you had asked me to make a list of the top 5 things this team could have done do give the finger to the fans and announce they’ve given up, releasing Moss would have been on it. Firing Childress, at least, gives the fans the understanding that, yes, the organization understands that something is wrong and it’s their fault…not the player’s. At least, not an individual player’s fault.
I’m sure I’ll watch more games this year. But it will be out of curiosity, because right now this team couldn’t be any lower. Good fucking decision, front office.
by Jesse on Nov 1, 2010 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I share the disapointment
I, too, am a lifelong Vikings fan. Since I was old enough to watch football, 1978 or 1979 I guess. This move stunned me, and that’s hard to do. Firing Childress, I would have left work and danced naked on Main Street to celebrate. But, cut Moss??!!!!!!???? Wow. I will never quit being a fan, I will never quit watching. I will also never quit wondering “what the *@#% was this move?” This bewilders me, are we shooting for the first draft pick? I think it’s too late to catch Buffalo, they already have a 2 game head start in the loss column, so that would even be a bonehead move.
I may be overly optimistic (it’s required to be a Vikings fan), but I’m holding out hope for an NFC North championship and a 10-6 record. I’m not sure why, but I am. I really have no excuse to think this, I quit drinking years ago, so I’m not sure what would cause a sober person to think this way. Maybe I’m holding out hope that Childress will be fired by an irate Ziggy. Maybe I’m just delusional. I don’t know. But, I refuse to give up hope.
That's what it takes to be a Vikings fan
So I don’t think you’re delusional. If you are, I am too. Haha
Nash don't lie
-Credit given to RMason, stolen by..er..permission given to GiantBehemoth
by GiantBehemoth on Nov 1, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
It's obvious Moss didn't want to be a Viking
What’s the big deal about granting his wish? I know we gave up a 3rd rounder for him, they took a shot and it didnt workout. At least it wasn’t a 3rd and a 2nd. Or a 1st. Time to move on.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
You are going to have to enlighten me why this is true
It’s obvious Moss didn’t want to be a Viking
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
That PI play didn’t prove that to you? He just watched that ball fall to the ground like the play was over. He could have caught that ball and scored easily.
His body language. His effort (lack thereof). His comments. He didn’t want to be here.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
That doesn't sound accurate.
Someone as selfish as Moss, whether the game was over or not, would make the effort to score. It pads his stats and his next contract.
I guess you havent watched any of the last 4 games
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I've watched...
an offensive gameplan that targeted Moss TWO times in the last game. Pardon me if I don’t buy that Moss has been given a reasonable chance to fit into Klink’s “system.”
by Shawn Gillogly on Nov 1, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
NE doubled him the entire game
And when he hasn’t been doubled, like he was vs the Jets, he didn’t run great routes, and couldnt get open.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
The Jets game...
he wasn’t even on the team for more than what…1 practice? He didn’t even know the playbook yet. Be a LITTLE realistic in your criticism.
And yes, he was doubled, that freed up Harvin. Guess who gets doubled now?
by Shawn Gillogly on Nov 1, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention
The Jets and Moss had recent experience against each other. And considering that Moss was playing in a new system, and the Jets in the one they were used to, that advantage DEFINITELY was to the Jets.
I said like the jets game
Not only in the jets game.
Great if Harvin gets doubled, then Shank should get open more often and AP should have more room to run. And I don’t have to watch another player on my favorite team get paid an ubsurd amount of money to go through the motions and loaf around and act like he doesn’t want to be there.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
oh...
So Shank can drop the ball and we have no passing game and no deep threat.
hope you like throwing to Berrian again.
by Shawn Gillogly on Nov 1, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Shank drop the ball?
What are you even talking about?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Great
NE doubled him the entire game
He doesn’t have to run great routes if he is being doubled because he is drawing coverage away from someone else. And in case you haven’t noticed, we need coverage drawn away from our other WRs.
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
Yeah, I didn’t even mention this. He took the attention off of Harvin, and allowed Harvin to go back to the slot where he is undoubtedly at his best. Now what will Harvin do? I’d imagine he’ll stay in the slot but then who lines up on the outside? Berrian? Maybe but ultimately his poor play was why the Vikings went out and traded for Moss in the first place imo.
by packallday555 on Nov 1, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you’re being a little unrealistic. The reality is, unless Childress/Bevell do something to get him favorable matchup’s, he’s probably not going to do a whole lot considering he was being bracketed nearly every play by teams.
Hadn’t he been for you guys for less than a week when that Jets game took place? He couldn’t have known the playbook/terminology, and I’m sure that’s the reason pretty much all he did was run 9 routes the whole game.
But that’s what the problem was. All Childress/Bevell ever had him do was run 9 routes. It’s not hard to take a guy out of the game when you know what he’s doing every play. Stick a safety over the top of him, and he’s going to be hard pressed to outrun two guys who both know what’s he’s doing. And while you can still throw the ball to Moss in double teams, I doubt Favre wanted to do so at the risk of throwing a pick, seeing as how pretty much everyone has been extremely critical of his play.
Childress/Bevell could have stuck him in the slot or put him in motion to get him free from being double teamed every play but they didn’t. Belicheck did, and I think that’s what a lot of his press conference was about.
by packallday555 on Nov 1, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
yahoo has a video with the article on that play
and it was obvious during the game. i lamented to the gf over that and she agreed he could of caught that (it landed two feet away)
No it doesn't
That PI play didn’t prove that to you?
All it proves is that Randy wasn’t getting the ball and was being Randy…..the same Randy that acted that way the first go around, in LA, with the Pats, and with the Vikes the second go around. How could you trade for him and NOT KNOW that was what you were getting?
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
okayyy
Enough about that PI play… Maybe Randy was more focused on ensuring a flag was called versus an attempt to receive a receivable ball.
It could have been an act, to ensure field position over an attempt to catch a ball that may not have been caught.
Hind-sight 20/20… If He caught it and ran in for a TD, everyone would praise him, if he was still going for it, the flag may not have been called for PI…. He maybe put a little too much emphasis in the act of the PI to ensure the flag versus going for the ball. Nothing wrong w/ that? Would you rather it not get called and he miss the pass?
by Deek on Nov 1, 2010 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Entirely possible.
This is a real possibility here, especially from a saavy veteran reciever… what do the rules say regarding PI? Had he regained himself and went for the ball and it was an inc pass, would the outcome of the penalty be different?
by rule? no
But the official could always have said, “Well, he wasn’t really interfered with because he had the ball and dropped it.” Or some such. Pulling up like that DID give the team the ball at the 1. Moss could hardly have known the O-line was going to take a vacation on the next play.
by Shawn Gillogly on Nov 1, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
If there's contact with the ball in the air
than it’s PI, otherwise it’s defensive holding or illegal contact
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Nov 2, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
The flag was already thrown.
Making an effort at catching the ball has no impact on the penalty. He gave up cause he saw the flag, but there is no downside to trying to catch the ball.
by CanadianViking on Nov 1, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You've never seen a flag get picked up?
I have. Especially on so-called “judgment call” penalties.
by Shawn Gillogly on Nov 1, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I have seen flags get picked up before but that was as obvious a PI as I've ever seen.
It’s debatable whether he could have caught the ball or not but he didn’t try. I don’t think that play or his press conference justified the possible release but it was a poor effort.
by CanadianViking on Nov 1, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't let it come down to the ref's judgement. You do your job and catch the ball
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Conspiracy Theory
Could Childress feel his job is in jeopardy, so he decides to pull a BIG F-U to the Vikings organization prior to getting thrown to the wolves?
Wouldn’t look good for his career, but if he was cut/released and WIlf had to pay out his contract.. he would be able to sit and count his $ from home.. w/o ever working
W/ a lot of ppl pissed off at him.
Moss might be a tad bi-polar...
considering he went from whining about no contract with the Pats to sobbing that he missed the Pats w/in a month.
That said… if you went from BB to BC, wouldn’t you complain to? G-d, that would be enough to drive you nuts. Anyone who’s ever had a great boss who they respected and appreciated, and then recieved a retard that you KNOW you could do their own damn job better than they, understands Moss’ frustration.
Hmmmmm, possibly, but Belichick is by no means a great boss....
An insufferable prick, even more stubborn and arrogant than Childress—-who the players fear (witness how he ships out veteran players without batting an eye). And a good football mind, agreed.
But not a player’s coach, which is how NFL players would define a “great boss”. Mike Tice was a player’s coach — how’d that style work out for him?
"he went from whining about no contract with the Pats to sobbing that he missed the Pats w/in a month."
Favre did the same thing. Whined about how he was being so badly treated by GB, then in his first press conference as a Jet he said “I’ll always be a Packer.”
Chilly didn't tell the front office....
and went and did this all on his own? That’s the story the NFL Network is reporting, and they have been very clear that Childress did not notify the front office before he told the players in a meeting that Moss would be released.
The Press Conference was baffling, Moss showing the mad love to his ex-team while giving the strange “i’ll only answer my own questions for the rest of the year”…and Childress’ PC saying he didn’t regret the move to trade for Randy and then cutting him today….
None of this makes sense. Giving away draft picks doesn’t make sense.
But just so everyone is clear…he is on Waivers…and the 5 worst teams have the first shot at him. He would have to get through quite a few teams before the Bears or Packers get a shot at picking him up.
It looked like he was half-assing it yesterday. He gave a strange press conference, and now he’s gone. At this point I wish the next news out of Winter Park says Frazier has been promoted to Interim Head Coach and Childress has been released.
no, he's not on waivers...yet.
not on the list released today.
by Shawn Gillogly on Nov 1, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He will be. It would have to have been filed with the NFL by 3pm EST today. Pretty sure tomorrow it will be official. There is no way he is staying a Viking. Although at this point…nothing would surprise me I guess.
he could stay a Vike
if the shove Klink out the door.
Which at this point, might be possible. Ziggy didn’t make this trade so Klink could blow it up in a month.
by Shawn Gillogly on Nov 1, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Could Chilly's statement be a ploy to initiate a trade?
But why? Trades are almost never done publicly. Maybe Chilly should take a random drug test.
Childress needs to leave...
i cant stand him any more i havent missed a vikings game in over 12 years but if he remains the coach i might not be able to watch next week against az. His offensive scheme is terrible, play calling horrible, leadership awful…why he is still the coach. For fu** sakes he just waived one of the most popular guys in the locker room and a huge fan favorite. He is gone…or i might boycott watching the games for the rest of the season or at least until Leslie Frazier has the headset on and is commanding our troops.
Skol Vikings….
Long Live the MINNESOTA VIKINGS. I live in the LA area dont bring em here…they belong in Minnesota, save your franchise Mr. Wilf, or give it over to someone who can.
LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!
Show Col. Klink the Door
It is time for Col. Klink to go!
Well, guys I really hate it for y'all.
Don’t get down on your team guys. Y’all still can get a playoff berth and who knows, maybe another rematch of the NFCCG.
"It's about time something good like this happened." Drew Brees
Playoffs
Playoffs .. Playoffs … Dude why your talking about Playoffs …
we can’t even win a game …
by VikinginCalifornia on Nov 2, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Y'all never know. Anything is possible.
"It's about time something good like this happened." Drew Brees
by saints_r_us#9 on Nov 2, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard that ziggy saw moss as a poison and childress as the antidote. Yeah, that is the dumbest/funniest thing ive ever heard. the higher ups are making a laughing stock out of the vikings. I really wish i could go into that office and give every single one of them a kick in the ass, before they leave for LA. Fuck you Ziggy and Fuck you Childress!!!!!!
Actually
Ziggy was pissed that this whole thing happened.
Nash don't lie
-Credit given to RMason, stolen by..er..permission given to GiantBehemoth
by GiantBehemoth on Nov 1, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Berrian vs Moss
We cut the wrong guy! BB has 9 rec for 87 & 0 tds in 7gms @ $4,500,000.00//yr
SKOL! Dawgs
i know BB hasnt produced
but seriously, how many times has he been thrown too? i hear his name like once or twice a game. and usually its some ball thats all behind him (like the pass that was picked off by a.j. hawk) or into coverage. i agree he isnt putting up 4 mil a year numbers but he needs opportunities to make plays
Good things come to those who keep fighting
When you drop catchable balls, the QB loses faith in you
BB has to catch the balls thrown at him even if they are not in the perfect position.
"The Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers" – Kurupt
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
BB
Why would you throw a ball to a man that can’t catch a cold
by VikinginCalifornia on Nov 2, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, so NOOOWWW childress wants to have some balls
now he wants to be all big and bad because someone…….maybe if he acted like this with farve he wouldnt be such a prima donna. this all just makes zero sense. damn, i cant wait until chilly is fired!!
Good things come to those who keep fighting
CHILE NEEDS TO GO!!!
An absoulte act of lunicy! This might be the worst move in NFL history…. Moss traded after 4 games? WHAT? WHY? Cause the coaches and managment believes he gave up in that second half Pats game? Well of course he did. We knew what we were getting with Randy, a selfish, in it for himself, selfcentered, future hall a famer, dynamic game changer. What I’m saying is yes Moss might have gave up during that Pats game but my point is it started before that. He played in that Jets game, witnessed terrible play calling by Chile. Pacs game was disgusting in itself, as if Favre forgot Randy was even on the field. Ya Moss mighta cashed in early but this is a trickiling effect. Randy saw how the Vikes were run in 98 and the team is completely different today. Chile doesn’t have control of his team, Favre thinks he’s an idiot, Randy thought he could be the savior and we wish you could have. But he can’t be when Chile is giving AP 90% of the touches during a drive. Sound the mayday button, the Vikes ship is goin down, Chile is a deadbeat and I cant support them anymore. Chile… You are a buzz kill. Please leave SOTA!
WHY did Moss give up?
Does anybody remember the game BEFORE New England? Remember the Vikes were driving with approx. 30 seconds to go in the half, and our beloved Colonel Klink has the offense take a knee Twice. Now that’s a K.A.O.- but it’s OUR A that gets kicked by it.
FIRE CHILDRESS, THE STUPID, STUBBORN, MEGALOMANIAC NOW!!!
RE: why did moss give up
Got ahead of myself, there, in my frustration and anger. Meant to include: did anyone notice Randy throwing his hands up in disgust because of the kneel-downs? Moss gave up because the COACH gave up!!
Exactly...
Don’t forget 2 time outs left. His statement was(chilly I mean) was basically we gave them one chance to make something happen and it didn’t, so that was it.
He showed his lack of faith and gave up on them.
Randy Moss isn’t the quitter here.
Fire Brad Childress. Do it today, right now!!!!
by stillnotover98 on Nov 2, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Give up
Please the man told the coaches and the players every play the Pats were going to run on them .. What they didnt believe him .. What did he not just leave the team dont he know the play book .. You guys have the nerve to say randy gave up… Hell you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink ..
by VikinginCalifornia on Nov 2, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Morons
The entire Vikes front office is the above word. Seriously…I don’t give a shit if he dogs it on a few plays. Now we have to watch Bernard Berrian again? At least hold on to him until Sidney can come back for sure.
I am so pissed right now it isn’t even funny. The only people that deserve to get let go are the coaching staff. I think the team could do better with EJ calling the defensive plays and Brett calling the offense so just quit paying the fools that call themselves our top coaches.
That being said...
I am really hoping to wake up in the morning and read that Childress has been fired and Moss will remain with the team. I really don’t give a crap who the head coach will be as long as it isn’t him.
buck up, fellow Vikings!
COME ON, NOW! hey, i followed the Pack my entire life (46 years…and yes i watched when i was a child – my mother said i did). i followed Brett to the Jets and boycotted the Pack. then i followed Favre to the Vikings and last years was a kick ass year. no – this season is NOT going as i had thought. and yes, i now concur that Chilly is a dumbass (i finally realized that last week but that dumb ass challenge yesterday confirmed it).
DO NOT GIVE UP! bad shit happens. you’ve gotta have a little hope. if a new Vikings’ fan can feel this way about the team, what about you tried and true and long-time fans???
COME ON, NOW! SKOL FAVRE! AND SKOL VIKINGS! we’ve got 10 games left and a very talented team. for better or worse, let’s try and get behind them. think GOOD thoughts! the situation is dire, i get that. screw it! “any given Sunday”…remember?
I haven't given up...entirely
But as long as Klink is our head coach and calling offensive plays I have.
How crazy would it be if
the Vikings land Andrew Luck as the first pick, hire Coach John Harbaugh as the new head coach to pair them up with Toby Gerhart, the running back from Stanford. That would be intense.
interesting
Coaching college players is a whole different ballgame than coaching pro men. As interesting as it sounds, Jim Harbaugh should stay where he is. That said, I still think the Vikes should put AP and TG in the backfield together. TG is the kind of player that gets better the more touches he gets. I don’t think the Vikes are using his abilities at max strength, but I get it because he’s playing behind the best RB in football. Combining them would give defenses fits and would wear most defenses down………….provided they get the O line to open up holes for them. This would also give Favre an advantage to pop a few passes off becasue the D is keying on the run. Nobody uses a (2) RB system in the NFL, but with these two carriers, I think they could pull it off.
by jjlovesfootball on Nov 2, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
We lose the compensatory pick too
So we traded a 3rd round pick for Randy Moss. Okay. It’s the last year of his contract and Chilly said he wouldn’t franchise him, meaning there’s a good chance Randy isn’t a Vikings in 2011. That means the Vikings would have likely gotten their 3rd round pick back due to the compensatory pick rule for losing big time free agents. I’m not 100% sure, but I’m guessing we lose that potential 3rd round pick as well now since we waived him half way through the year…
How about Gruden
He is the kind of coach we need
Moss & the Vikings
Not a huge fan of Brad Childress currently, but he got it right when he told his players in the lockeroom that they want good players who are good people. The meal incident with Moss is a culmination of just how much of a person he is. He is dis-respectful just for starters and is arrogant to say the least. No humility running thru his veins. He & TO seem to be cut from the same cloth….character wise. To brashly dinegrate a restaurant owner publicly by calling his food crap and then justifying his comments by saying “I used to eat this crap but now I have money” goes to show how far Randy Moss has grown up……..(He hasn’t). Just because this spolied little brat has money, does not give him the right to go off on people by saying essentially I don’t have to be respectful…. “I’ve got money”. Unfortunately, Childress has bigger problems than Randy Moss, but at least a cancer or potential cancer is no longer in the locker room. Moss is talented, but he isn’t worth it because of he carries his baggage wherever he goes………just like TO.
What does the food incident
have to do with FOOTBALL? Why does his antics bother you so much?! When he is on the field, he always has an impact. If he’s not getting the plays, then he’s ALWAYS drawiing the defenders and opening up the field. Harvin never would have had the game he just had without Moss. And just think how it could’ve been once Sidney came back……..
We didn’t trade for him because of his personality, it was because he is a REALLY good receiver that defenses fear.
But, instead of berating the caterers, I wish he would have gone on a Childress rant.
by stillnotover98 on Nov 2, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The thing about the food incident is that it smells of a PR thing more than good game prep. If you’re sticking to a particular diet to be at peak physical condition then a local restaurant are likely to fall short of those standards. Do this stuff in training camp sure, maybe on a bye-week, but mid-season? Seems a little daft to me. Not excusing Moss’s comments, but this whole idea seems a little daft.
by ViolentSilence on Nov 2, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Had a bad feeling....
…. when we traded for him and didn’t give him the long contract. Didn’t like the chances of him and Childress co-existing. The thing about Moss is that he is basically immature, but he cares. He wants to win and if he feels you’re not going to give him that shot, his effort is reduced. Belicheck is ruthless about getting rid of old-players for draft picks, but he usually does a good job of managing them whilst they’re there and Moss was a good player for them. Sadly, Childress is a spectacularly poor personnel manager (anyone remember him giving back a fine to Troy Williamson over the death of his grandmother!?!?!? Or benching T-Jack for ‘playing not to lose’ which seems to actually sum up his play-calling…) and his game day abilities aren’t up to much either.
For the people talking about trading for Vincent Jackson – what are you on?!??! We needed him (and Moss for that matter) as cover until Sidney Rice got better. A 3rd and 4th was way too high a price for a short term rental. Take a look at the Chicago O-line for what happens when you keep trading away good picks… I’d like to think that this move had something to do with Rice making progress but I’d put my money on a clash between egos (though at least one was based on Talent…)
Did anyone know when he promised a Kick-A## offence he actually meant a geek in a wet-suit who couldn’t fight his way out of a paper-bag?
I’m hoping that Chilly and will be gone by tomorrow evening (and Moss staying), but with how bad our D has been (OK the injuries to the Corners hasn’t helped) I don’t know if we can trust Frazier to take over.
As for the QB thing, T-Jack looked rusty, but I don’t know how much responsibility he had over that ‘two-minute drill’ (which isn’t worthy of that description). The thing is, Favre will very likely be retired next year and T-Jack is in his last year of a contract. Webb (probably) won’t be ready for another year at least so if we don’t start seeing T-Jack in some serious game time our QB situation is a train-wreck in waiting (without that pillock Ridley Scott willing to make a really bad film of it…) It might still be if we play him, but at least then we know if we ought to kick the tyres of the UFL QBs. Hell, freed from the Dumb-A## Offence, and it’s play-calling ‘Genius’, T-Jack might be capable of a good level of play…
How long can we watch this ?
I have been a Die hard Vikings fan for forty years .I am a lifelong native of Ohio,but have always fervently supported my team year after year with a great deal of frustration.Nevertheless,each year I anticipate them going all the way . I wear the jersey,shirts,have a flag by my driveway,and like a crazed idiot even mow my grass with my horned helmet on. I have seen several H.C.s come and go,but what we are witnessing now FROSTS MY NUTS!!!!AND I DONT EVEN LIVE IN COLD MINNESOTA!!!! Ive been a critic of Chili for the last several years,especially when Matt Birk stated he left due to his disdain for him .From that point on I have intently looked for signs of Chili improving or possibly changing his airheaded ways.Alas ,there is no hope viking faithful! How in the he## can an obviously intelligent man like zigi Wilf continue to allow a MEGA MORON like this to run our ship has me wondering … could Brad have caught Zigi with his pants down at the stable or what? IS IT ME OR WHAT THE FU##!!!!!???
OH... im sorry Brad.You really seem nice
If any of you purple faithful are now mad at me for being too hard on Chili Willy ,let me say several things.Chili may be uber-intelligent, super orator,and outlandishly philosophical but…HE AINT A HEAD FOOTBALL COACH!!!!!!He may be a great talent evaluator..WHY THE HELL IS TJACK STILL ON THE BENCH!!!! If the right side of your O.L.cant run block, WHY DO YOU RUN TO THAT SIDE ON 4th and one or on the goal line!!!!A.P. can catch a dfootball and run over people afterwards…WHY DONT YOU USE HIM IN THIS MANNER?You go out and get Greg Camarillo because we need a receiver…AND WE HARDLY SEE HIM ON THE FIELD!!!!!ON and on and on!!!!!!!! I will still support my team,and Brad may be a super nice guy,but i want an A##HO## who can LEAD!!
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