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Optimism Going, Going, Gone

 

I keep looking for the silver lining in the 2010 Minnesota Vikings season, but that's a tough sell. After nine games the Vikings have a 3-6 record meaning they've lost two thirds of the games they have played this season.

To say that my optimism is wearing thin would be an understatement.

If this were a rebuilding year that would be one thing, but this is a veteran team with so many Pro Bowl players you can't swing a cat without hitting one. Experienced players, who are some of the best in the NFL at their respective positions, playing this poorly is hard to fathom. No matter how we break down Sunday's loss to the Bears in Chicago it simply amounts to more of the same stuff that's plagued the Vikings all season.

Despite a hopeful, if not electric, start, Sunday's game quickly devolved. Considering the dramatic way the Vikings won against the Arizona Cardinals, suddenly playing the way they did last season, I held onto hope as long as I could on Sunday. Somewhere in the fourth quarter I quit taking notes on the game and started hopping around the room because if the Vikings were going to wage a comeback, they needed to do it right then. Well, on Sunday there was no comeback.

More after the jump, like why the Vikings need to make what they can of this year.

Star-divide

 

 

Regardless of Chicago's record, they aren't really that good*. However, they didn't have to be that good, they just needed to be a little better than the Vikings and the Vikings have been making that far too easy for opposing teams. The secret to Chicago's success on Sunday isn't surprising or complicated, they converted on third downs, they had good returns from kick-offs and punts, they had receivers, and they scored in the red zone. Oh, and because it was their home field, they knew what cleats to wear to keep from slipping all over the field like Larry, Curly, or Moe at an ice rink.

I could look at the rest of the stuff that went wrong on Sunday, but I just don't have the energy or the discipline for that kind of systematic misery. If the Vikings are going to make any kind of attempt to salvage this season, they have to win every remaining game, meaning the best they can do for the season is a 10-6 record. If they were playing every upcoming game in the Metrodome, that might be possible, but they won't. They would have to win on the road to end the season at 10-6 and they haven't managed to win on the road since November 2009.

The way this season is going, it seems a safe bet that Brad Childress won't be the Vikings' coach next season. A new coach generally means that at least a third of the current roster will be gone next season, but it could be more considering all the veterans the Vikings have. And, as if that wouldn't bring enough uncertainty to next season, there is also the storm brewing between the NFL and the Players Association because of the collective bargaining agreement. Whatever happens next season, the Vikings will look very different.

But before any of that happens there are still seven more games this season. If this Vikings team is going to continue to try to turn things around, they don't have much time. If they are just going to phone it in and wait for next season, it's a mediocre eternity.

If the Vikings continue to play the way they are playing now and winning only at home, then they would win four more games and end the season 7-9. But, if they somehow manage to win all of the next seven games (not a strong possibility, I know), the Vikings might be in the running for a Wild Card spot in the play-offs. I don't like seasons when the Vikings have to rely on getting a Wild Card, too many other things have to go their way for that to happen. Luck has been hard for the Vikings to come by and I wouldn't expect luck to suddenly make a convenient appearance at this late hour. And, honestly, the Vikings need to start making their own luck. With all of their talent, you'd think they would have an advantage in that department.

No amount of uninspired play calling should excuse the lackluster play, the missed tackles, the failed third-down conversions, or the lack of pressure on opposing quarterbacks. Even if Vikings players have changed their mindset from trying to win games to clock watching until the end of the season, the way they finish 2010 will tell teams considering signing Vikings players a lot about what they can expect from these players. Even if they aren't interested in helping this team win anymore, players can't honestly think that sub-par play will help them in free-agency.

Between self-interest and pride, one would hope that the Vikings could find a way to pull together and play the way they are capable of playing. If they can't, then the next seven games will be pointless.

*I still maintain that the Lions should have won when they played the Bears on Week 1 of the season. The officials in that game robbed Calvin Johnson of his game-winning touchdown and I refuse to acknowledge it as a Chicago victory.

This piece is also posted at http://chinspeaks.wordpress.com/ under my alter ego P.M. Chin.

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one more week

after that, start jackson. Let us see if he can show up on sunday, after his time behind brett. Also, the last 2 games, i wan to see Joe Webb play parts of the fourth quarter. Just to let him get some experience and see how much he has progressed this year.

by muffin man on Nov 17, 2010 5:39 PM CST reply actions  

Might as well.

If Brett Favre doesn’t play (great big IF) then Jackson and Webb should get a little game time. It would be a good way to see what they can do and, possibly, shop Jackson to other teams.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 17, 2010 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry to burst your bubble....

but my hunch is BF is finishing out the season as the starter. Short of a miraculous turnaround, it will be the only storyline left—-never missed a start, farewell tour (not completely convinced of that, yet.) We know TJ is nothing if not inconsistent. Webb? Most games he would probably complete less than 50% of his passes for a buck fifty, run for another 60 or so after scrambling for his life, and most likely make a few thrilling plays, including throwing it 60-70 yards in the air.

by Mel Allen on Nov 17, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I'm too gloomy at the moment to have much of a bubble :/

It’s been said a lot that the quickest way to ruin a developmental quarterback is to start him too soon, so there’s certainly some logic to holding Webb back. Favre is as stubborn as you say, so I have no trouble believing that he will play no matter what. But they may let Jackson mop up some games if they are in hand. I think they should try to showcase Jackson so they can shop him around. The Vikings need as many draft picks as they can get, even if they aren’t high picks.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 17, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Buck up.......

you come across as being rather young, just guessing? I have been a Viking fan for a loonnng time. One thing I have learned is to NOT allow the successes and/or failures of any sports franchise to impact my identity or emotional well being. I am neither an R4F type nor a bandwagon jumper.
Now, wouldn’t a 7-0 finish be a story?

by Mel Allen on Nov 17, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

So diplomatic

Guessing young on a woman’s age even when you can’t see her. Nice. No, I’m just gloomy today for a variety of reasons. The Vikings are the icing on the proverbial cake.

I go back far enough with the Vikings :) I remember when Scott Studwell was on the field and not a scout.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 17, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

studwell girl

how old r u skol girl? i love u anyway, but i remember fran tarkenton & chuck foreman, and they always had a glitch that cost them a championship!

by sporto0 on Nov 17, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Loved Studwell :)

Even when he was on the sideline his crazy blue eyes were following everything. And you could tell it was a good game when he was wiping blood on his pants.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 17, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

truf

only mike singletary had more intense eyes than studwell, skol girl u are a true viking fan & my kind of girl!

by sporto0 on Nov 17, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Well,

Hopefully this brightens up your day just a little!

He’s still one of my all time fav’s.

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by VikesFaninNM on Nov 17, 2010 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

:D

It does make my day!

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 17, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

It is not inconceivable....

that even today, Studwell could have planted Cutler on Sunday….

by Mel Allen on Nov 18, 2010 12:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I like to think so :)

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 18, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree w/ mel
-never missed a start, farewell tour (not completely convinced of that, yet.)

I think b/c of how sh$%y his home life will become during the offseason , being w/ the wife round the clock..(after the sterger stuff).. I predict next year it will be brett who does the begging to come back!!

"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin

by BranFavrenton on Nov 18, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Think so?

LOL Well, that is certainly a thought. Brett Favre begging to get back into football because Deanna is not pleased with him. If he’s really desperate to get out of the house he might even show up for training camp.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 18, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

ryan mallet

6’7" 238 lbs arm like a cannon, lets get Ryan Mallet asap!

by sporto0 on Nov 17, 2010 5:51 PM CST reply actions  

Interesting, I can see I'm going to have to check him out.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 17, 2010 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

love ya

arkansas qb jr. ready to be drafted, no jackson, brett’s done let’s get a future franchise qb now

by sporto0 on Nov 17, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

I was okay with putting off the future while the Vikings were winning, but if they aren’t, then let’s start planning for the future.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 17, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Mallet a lot. I think he’s going to be a good one.

by packallday555 on Nov 17, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope he isn't like T jack

T Jack has a cannon for an arm also and we saw how the vikings were burned on that pick. I just hope Mallet isn’t a second T Jack

by mattnmics on Nov 17, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

nothing like t jack

mallet can read a defense, something jackson could never do, he won’t run the ball if his first option isn’t open, also very hard to bring down with one pass rusher

by sporto0 on Nov 17, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

a guy who i liked that might just slip

is brandon wheedon, but if we could i would love to grab either mallet or Newton(trade for vick)

by muffin man on Nov 17, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

It should be interesting to see how the personnel will change based on who ends up being head coach.

My dream team is Tony Dungy as general manager and Leslie Frazier as head coach.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 17, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Dungy would be okay, Frazier...eh...

…not so much. I’d rather not have Captain Timid in charge of the entire team. He doesn’t have the cajones to run a feisty defense (preferring to sit back and play it safe instead of blitzing on key plays) and considering how badly the D-line and Secondary has played this year (for most of it, anyway), he’s not done his job good enough to get any kind of head-coaching position. Nope.

by Wytefang on Nov 17, 2010 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Frazier

has stated in the past that there are defenses schemes he would love to run but Childress would not allow it..

I think the schemes he was referecing was were past Chi. Bears schemes.

by Deek on Nov 18, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

just took a look at him

I have to agree with you. I haven’t seen him play, but according to the reports on him. He sounds like a good prospect. 6’4" 220LBS, 40 time in the 4.8-4.7 area, and seems to be a accurate qb.

by mattnmics on Nov 17, 2010 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

vick slip

eagles won’t let vick get away now, that ship has sailed, i admit i wanted brett back, this year things have not come together as they did last year, it’s time to draft for the nfuture, vick would be sweet, but not the answer we need

by sporto0 on Nov 17, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

We got some options

We have M. Vick being a free agent (Who may resign w/ the Eagles)
P. Manning hits free agency, but the contract would likely be extremely high
We also have T-Jack to rely on
Webb to see how he has developed
the Draft w/ some potential
and a freaky occurance Favre comes back AGAIN! haha

by Deek on Nov 18, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Nope.....

Those first 2 are not options because they won’t happen. Neither of those teams are letting them go.

TJ will be the starter……..and I am ok with that.

by Arsist on Nov 18, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

A lot of uncertainty

I think it is pretty likely that Childress won’t be around next season, but that isn’t a given. If he is around, then I would imagine he’ll continue to tell us that Tavaris Jackson is making progress within the system.

With the splash he made on Monday night, Michael Vick is going to go fast in free-agency and it will be expensive for the team that gets him.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 18, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Mallet will be a bust in the NFL

Any takers on that?

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Nov 18, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not hope that is in short supply.

The actual shortages that have developed are in the number of games left in the regular season and the number of players on the active list.

Anyone who saw those three starting Viking wide receivers sitting on the bench together injured during the game in Chicago who still thinks it’s a lack of hope or effort that has the Vikings down perhaps needs to regain consciousness. Players need to step up, since nothing else is going to work. It’s not a pity party.

The point is that the only question that matters now is what everyone involved can do to defeat the Packers. Keep the eyes on the prize, not the pothole you want to knock the wheels off.

A shortage of people concerned with what is best for the Viking team itself is bad for all concerned.

(That’s why that founding father Ben Franklin urged, “We must all hang together, or most assuredly we will all hang seperately.” Enlightened self interest always beats the heck out of woe-is-me at your treason trial.)

No player is not going to get a better contract by hiding his lamp under a bushel.

If a scapegoat is to be needed by any of the faint of heart, plenty of time will be available for producing all those negative campaign commercials following the arrival of any mathematical elimination from contention. They may say never say never, but remember, the team that selects the best scapgoat never wins the Super Bowl.

by Elgar on Nov 17, 2010 7:08 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Omens

Watching Bernard Berrien, Sidney Rice, and Percy Harvin on the sideline in Chicago, was hard. So much talent unavailable. Sad.

Any winning streak has to start with one game so let’s hope that it starts Sunday at the Dome against the Packers. It always feels like a good omen when the Vikings beat the Packers.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 17, 2010 7:50 PM CST reply actions  

Hoping is exhausting.

I could hope more easily if there was a little more ass-kicking.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 17, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Cheers :)

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 17, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

sidelines of the NFL

Many teams have talent standing on the sidelines. The ones with good coaches know how to adjust and make the best of what they got.

Also MOSS is now standing with another team (as well as our 3rd round pick makes TICE slipping a few picks in the DRAFT a little error. THROWING AWAY A THIRD ROUND IS NUTS.

And according to BF the most athletically talented player on the team has yet to step on the field. WEB. BF said before the season began that we have to figure out a way to get him on the field. 9 games and counting.

by ZygiZag on Nov 18, 2010 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Wonder

If that was a poke at his way of saying.. “Why isn’t this guy a receiver?”

by Deek on Nov 18, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Webb

By listing him as the 3rd QB they eliminate the possibility of putting him on the field. Another blunder by the wise one….ha.

by Arsist on Nov 18, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

your right..

..it is simple.. if they all play we win..no extraneous hoping required! (big if, though)

"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin

by BranFavrenton on Nov 18, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

This season has been so disappointing

that it doesn’t even seem like Packer week.

SIgh…

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by Ted Glover on Nov 17, 2010 8:57 PM CST reply actions  

It really doesn't.

But at least I learned my lesson and will not be making a wager with my Packer fan friend on this week’s game.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 17, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m just starting to pay at work for my wager on the last game, and I could be paying daily for at least six months :(

Regarding your post … we are underdogs with good reason this week. We have just never put it all togther this year or overcome any significant obstacles, and we are playing a team that has done both. But even if we are underdogs … I still am saddened that there is so much talk centered on “what we do after we lose” here.

by puddnhead on Nov 18, 2010 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

One game at a time, for better or worse.

You raise a good point, there really is a lot of talk already about next season based on the assumption that the Vikings will continue to underperform. That might be premature, but so far this season the Vikings have managed to beat only the Lions, the Cowboys, and the Cardinals and all three of those wins came at the Metrodome. The disappointment is worse because the expectation for this season was so high. Until they beat a team with a winning record (like the Packers), the Vikings will stay underdogs. If they can beat a team with a winning record on the road, then we’re really cooking.

You lost a wager too? What did you bet that will have you paying it off for six months?

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 18, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

We actually talked about it in the thread after the last game. I had to volunteer to do a semi-odious project/task at work (the Packer fan would have had to volunteer if we won.

It’s actually not terrible or anything, it’s just … something I will be reminded of regularly into next spring at least.

by puddnhead on Nov 18, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, sorry.

Must be my headache. Distracting me.

Sorry you’ll be stuck paying for your wager into the spring. If I would carve out a little time for baking I would be done with mine.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 18, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Hope won't get us out of this season's mess...

So far this year I have seen 5 minutes of inspired team play from our team. The most frustrating thing is, you only have to watch a couple plays to see the lack of intensity. Of course we have had a few right spots… AD, Percy, Greenway and Winfield. Maybe the efforts of some individuals has prevented us from looking like the Cowboy team that played Green Bay, but given the performance last week, I fear it won’t be long.

I still think it all starts and ends with Chilly, and I just don’t see his lame-duck head-in-the-sand behavior bringing about any improvements. Wilf must have his reasons for waiting, and hopefully they are worth waiting for, but in the meantime the schism is becoming a cataclysm. So now my hope is that after this circus leaves town we get that high profile big name proven leader and winner who can mold the very talented remaining core of our roster into the ass-kicking football team we deserve.

by Jshore on Nov 17, 2010 10:36 PM CST reply actions  

Hope might not get the Vikings out of this season's mess...

But, until the Wilf’s consult me or you on what is best to be done with our Vikings, that’s all I’ve got. I’m with you, the Vikings really have had only 5 minutes of inspired play so far this season. And that is a shame because those 5 minutes were brilliant. To know that the ability to play like that is lurking there but not coming through is maddening.

Any guesses on who will be the Vikings’ coach next season? Since Wilf is willing to throw cash around, I think he’ll bring in a big name who will automatically give the program credibility.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 18, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish I knew Girl.

I still think we had hope if he had made Frasier interim coach after the Arizona game. Wilf’s inaction leads me to hope he has bigger plans. I’ll be real disappointed if we let this season wash down the drain only to bring in another “well-respected” coordinator.

by Jshore on Nov 18, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, maybe.

But I think that Zygi Wilf may have learned a few things in the course of his ownership. He wants winning, he’s willing to spend lots of money to get it. I think he may go big name this time. But, who knows, he’s stuck with Childress for awhile.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 18, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Cheer up everyone!

I for one will not go quietly into the night. I believe in our players and as much as the season has gone astray, I will not be expecting the Packers to hand it to us on Sunday.

If you listen to the masses here in the heart of Wisconsin the seem to think the game will be won just by showing up. Their only questions involve if James Starks will run rampant through our lines in his debut or if Rogers will pass through our secondary all day.

I’m not having it! I think ol #4 and our beloved boys in purple have had enough of this crap season and are ready to prove a point. (And we are at home…thankfully!)

Lets all sit back a little and give them one more chance before we start rebuilding.

Someday...Vikings win a superbowl!

by MadisonViking on Nov 18, 2010 12:26 AM CST reply actions  

Working on my cheer

No, I’m sure you are right that the Vikings will not just hand it to the Packers on Sunday. Playing at home has got to help our struggling guys in purple, and they don’t want to lose again to a divisional rival. And you’re right, they really have had enough crap this season, way more than enough.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 18, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I also expect they'll show up this week.

If not, I’ll feel like every under-achieving over-paid one of them just personally took a dump in my man-cave, and Chilly will be standing there with the empty ex-lax bottle.

by Jshore on Nov 18, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

Amazingly specific and personal. Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 18, 2010 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Alas, the stench of defeat is indeed personal.

I thought it was a humorously effective description of my agony of defeat. Don’t tell that the sting of a loss doesn’t cast a pall on your day Girl. I see your passion and forgive my presumption but I know your pain, and I know that I’m not alone. It’s not that my Vikings are out to get me, or us, it’s just that disappointment IS personal.

Believe it or not, I used to be worse. If we lose I’ll chase away my funk by crankin my Marshall to 9 and shreddin enough face-melting sonic wails to bring the cops to my front door, although my neighbors are too cool for that to actually happen. After shedding the funk I will carry on with the certainty that ultimate redemption awaits in the unmitigated joy that is to be mine when we finally win a championship.

You see, I’m really an optimist!

by Jshore on Nov 19, 2010 1:58 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

Oh, I promise you, a Vikings loss definitely casts a pall on my day. A lot of times it creeps over the week too. Normally, I curl into the fetal position and hope for death after an agonizing loss. I had to make myself exercise on Monday just to try to raise some endorphins.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 19, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

THEY ARE DONE

This team has shown no life all year.
NE loss
CARD win
BEARS loss
the difference? NE and BEARS are not the CARDS.

The team just did not suddenly wake up an have a good 4 minutes. They just happened to be playing the CARDS at home.

DUNGY DUNGY DUNGY DUNGY DUNGY - Get him in here now so he can evaluate players and coaches and tweek and maybe improve this team a little this year.

by ZygiZag on Nov 18, 2010 12:55 AM CST reply actions  

True, but...

The Vikings just happened to be playing the Cardinals when they were down 14 points too. Realistic or not, I’m willing to hope that the Vikings can tap into the energy and talent they displayed in that late game rally against Arizona. And, you know what they say about wounded/dying animals, they are pretty damn dangerous because they don’t have anything to lose.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 18, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm

But they have had nothing to lose since last years NFC Championship game…This year from the jump was Super Bowl or bust…

by Jonny Piff on Nov 18, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Arlington or bust :/

You’re right, it was Super Bowl or bust from the start this season, but now that the Vikings are sitting at 3-6 their chances of winning the NFC North for the third season in a row aren’t looking so great. They have seriously come down in the world losing games and momentum. Now they are fighting to string together some wins and, maybe, get a Wild Card spot. So, with them sitting just slightly ahead of Detroit in the division standings, they really don’t have much left to lose.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 18, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

this next game isn't going to make things better

so the vikings squeaked by the cowboys in a game they HAD to have and the packers dusted those same cowboys off 2 weeks ago and had a bye week……….well, lets just say this is like scene in ‘perfect storm’ when they tried to drive the boat up and over that last huge wave……..

with that said, most of us are still pulling for the team and pondering the future. and, shockingly, the future looks bright. chilly gone (hopefully), none of farve’s offseason ridiculousness and a roster that, all and all, does have a good amount of talent.

hopefully the vikings can get gruden to come out the booth to the sideline (they already run the same defense that they ran in tampa) and bring in new coordinators. i used to be for frazer getting the job but not anymore. i think t-jack will end up the starter next year because throwing a rookie in would be alittle worse. all rookie qb’s have a big learning curve.

Good things come to those who keep fighting

by lonewolfcee on Nov 18, 2010 1:00 AM CST reply actions  

Stop hating on TarVar

..You people hate on TJack…But he has never even had a chance..Look how well our beloved QB has played this year….I dont quite understand why you think last years qb play should be the standard..The guy had his best season in 20yrs..And he is a HOF qb….I mean how can you judge Tarvar’s play by the anemic play calling and awesome receivers we had when he started..

by Jonny Piff on Nov 18, 2010 9:48 AM CST reply actions  

He finished 2008 with a 95 QB rating.

His last 4 games in 08 were also pretty dang good.

Detroit- 8 /10 105 yards 1 TD
Arizona- 11/17 163 yards 4 TDs ~ 8 carries 82 yards
Atlanta- 22/36 233 yards 2 TDs
New York Giants – 16/26 239 yards 1 TD

1 INT in those games.

by loldotcom on Nov 18, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Bingo....

Finally, with some time to develop, he may prove all you doubters wrong.

I’ve said it many times and for some reason it has to be stated again. Stop blaming TJ for Chilly’s idiocy. TJ was drafted way too early and thrust onto the field woefully unprepared. He was a 4th-5th round pick, at best, taken in the 2nd. He shouldn’t have even seen the field until his 3rd year. He is just now getting the NFL IQ he needs to play at this level. A fault of the coaching staff, not the player. He has done as well as can be expected given the circumstances.

by Arsist on Nov 18, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The man exudes about as much confidence and on-field presence as Piglet.

And that one big game he had against the Cardinals was the epitome of a blind squirrel finding the acorn. I genuinely hope that you guys are right, but we damn well better have a strong play in the hole if TJ is our first card.

by Jshore on Nov 18, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Draft

Look at draft position vs expected draft position and the conversation should stop there.

by Arsist on Nov 18, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I know.

I think TJ has progressed nicely as a project QB from a small school.

by KC612 on Nov 18, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

It's time to look for a new Head Coach
If this were a rebuilding year that would be one thing, but this is a veteran team with so many Pro Bowl players you can’t swing a cat without hitting one. Experienced players, who are some of the best in the NFL at their respective positions, playing this poorly is hard to fathom.

There is one answer. And only one.

The Head Coach is incompetent.

Nothing else explains it. The team has coasted on a huge wealth of talent and relatlvely easy schedules in the past, but this year they didn’t get the easy schedule. This year they had to perform, not as immensely talented individuals, but as a team.

It didn’t happen. There’s one person who’s responsible for turning a group of individuals, however talented, into a team.

The Head Coach.

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by DCPurple on Nov 18, 2010 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

Is it the coach or his role as quasi GM?

Maybe it’s semantics, but this is an interesting question for me. Is the problem right now Childress’s coaching and game management (which I will admit not good) or discontent that has been sown in how he’s handled arranging the 53?

Maybe the Vikings would do better if they had a traditional GM and head coach organization set up instead of a vague committee and a coach who can just can a guy who gets under his nerves.

by PackApologist on Nov 18, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Both..

The guys go into games with no confidence in the coachs game plane..No zeal no enthusiasm to play and win for a guy you think is a moron…

by Jonny Piff on Nov 18, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, yeah, blame Childress. Grarr.

I’m not defending Childress here, but he’s the same coach they had last year when the defense could defend against the run and get to opposing quarterbacks, and when the offense could score points. Yes, Childress isn’t great, but he wasn’t great last year and the Vikings managed to have a 12-4. It would seem there is more influencing the Vikings current under-performance than just Childress.

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by Skol Girl on Nov 18, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Im in the same boat, not the love boat

DC Ive been saying the same thing since 2008…But unfortunately I am not Zygi Wolf..If I was Id have Frazier as interim coach and already be negotiating with Gruden’s people…Im still confused how you get a head coaching job in the NFL with zero I MEAN 0 head coaching experience at any level of football.

by Jonny Piff on Nov 18, 2010 10:40 AM CST reply actions  

Toby Gerhart

Did AP get hurt in the Bears game. If he didnt why was Gerhart running all the plays on the one drive that resulted in a field goal. Great coaching from Mr Noodle having your workhorse on the sideline when its still a close game.the difference between a TD and a FG in my opinion.

by memphis viking on Nov 18, 2010 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

Another awesome move by Childress and Bevell

Gerhart is a part of a certain package they wanted out on the field at that time..Although do like how Toby has progressed throughout the season..I do tend to agree AllDay…

by Jonny Piff on Nov 18, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Mr. Noodle and his sidekick...

have plays that they insist on running and it seems so scripted it’s sad. I’ve seen #28 run onto the field in key situations only to get called back because the KAO authors decide it’s Toby’s play.

Don’t get me wrong…there are times and place to use Toby and he can be very effective, but when we are playing from behind we need our #1 back in the game. Maybe if our play calling wasn’t so scripted and conservative we might be winning some of these games.

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by boomy44 on Nov 18, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

going gone

How often do you see where a team that had remarkable success one year……… that the very next year they fall into mediocrity? It happens!

Instead of “expecting” the Vikes to continue where they left off last year, let’s take a dose of reality and look at where they are now. It is possible they may not even finish @ .500, let alone get to the playoffs. There are alot of reasons for this, but teams don’t win championships when their QB is playing average “at best” and making silly rookie mistakes. Go back and look at film and you will see that most of their losses fall squarely on Bret Favre. I don’t question his courage…………..I question his abilities!

Some of the blame also falls squarely on Brad Childress’s shoulders. His PASS HAPPY approach to the games makes one wonder does he even realize he has the best RB in the NFL. playing in his backfield. Chilly is “clearly” is in over his head on his play calling. Add the fact that he is a polarizing figure in the Viking lockeroom and you have all the makings of a sub-par season. It’s the perfect storm for disaster. The fans are living in the past and need to QUIT comparing last year’s results with this years reality. They are NOT the same team for all of the previous mentioned reasons and more!

by jjlovesfootball on Nov 18, 2010 3:52 PM CST reply actions  

Favre has made mistakes, no doubt,

but the blame rests entirely on the incompetent weasel. It’s not about what we did on this play during that game or this bad call, that dropped pass… we have the talent to overcome that crap. It’s about who they are as a team, as long as Chilly is here they will be a divided house.

by Jshore on Nov 18, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

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