OK, I will say it: I support dumping Moss

he should still be fired though…

Maybe be an asshole but that doesn’t take away from the fact that Childress is a grade A idiot. Mein Fuhrer needed to be fired 2 years ago.

The only other coach in the NFL right now that could possess this much talent on both sides of the ball and have such an awful record is Wade Phillips and they both should be standing in in the unemployment line sooner instead of later.

My opinion of Chilly is well documented. I thought he should have been gone a couple games ago.
Many of us have been horrified by his unimaginitive play schemes.
I don’t think this is all Bevells calls. This is the run-run-pass crap that Chilly always ran. It is Favre and Bevell who now go to him and sitch the type of plays we run. How do you explain the simpleton plays run until we get in a hole and start using the short yardage dump passes and spreading the wealth between the other weapons other than having AD carry the game?

I think Moss being gone is good for the Vikes but Chilly is a poor manager of people that has been demonstrated multiple times this year. Time for him to be fired. I was not on the Fire Chilly band wagon until this last couple of weeks. He has screwed the pooch far toooo much is the last two weeks. This team is spiraling out of control and Zygi needs to stop the death spiral.

First …alot of “i” and “yours” in that post. And honestly until you can claim ownership of the team it doesnt really matter what you “believe” the Vikings should be. Randy does Randy and gets booted, yet Vick trains dogs to kill or be killed and gets a new team and a reality show. Not that you say anything of Vick but please letting a guy go over making an ass out of himself. Again you prove my point on my post yesterday. With or without Randy or Chilly it isnt going to happen this year its rebuild time.

Col. Klink , needs to go .. his play calling is high school quality .. his decision making is even worse .. His management skills are (oh yeah he dont have any) .. Just forget it .. why bother trying to explain all his weakness it would take me pretty much the better part of the day… The bottom line is .. Chilly has over played his hand and it’s time for him to go … He had his day in the sun .. He had a chance to win a Superbowl last year with us and he blew that (Yes it’s always the coaches fault).. .. And don’t forget he was the offensive coach for the Eagles when they lost thier superbowl bid .. Who by the was a major player in the problem that the eagles had with Mcnabb and Terrell Owens .. Hummmm Could Childress be the entire reason for that madness .. I would bet serious money on it …

Is anyone really surprised that Moss acted the way he acted. If Chilly was not expecting this, he is an idiot.

Moss has been shooting off his mouth in defiance of his team-including New England. The NFL should nulifiy this trade as obviously NE saw the problems and dumped him.
Randy comes in all excited about playing here and then when he doesn’t likes things finds another "back alley gangland trash talking press conference. He wants the respect of people and pulls this at a team meal like a spoiled little rich kid.
He knew his antic would initiate this.
Along with Chilly being fired. The NFL should suspend Moss for the rest of the year for conduct unbecoming to the ideals of an NFL player and not require payment of his salary and give the Vikes a supplimental pick at the end of the 3rd round

i just posted Silver’s article on another fan post. Randy was acting like a thug. He got what he deseved!!! I still want chilly gone!!!!

fighting iingering illness, all the Vikings garbage, as well as their losing again. Then I check my 4 fantasy scores and lose 3 games by one point – ONE point! One game maybe but 3! The stars are not alligned right this week or something.

It appears Moss returned to his old stomping grounds and though he was the big man on campus again. I thought the time in Oakland and New England would of humbled him, but apparently that appears to of not been the case.

Ok he is a jerk .. But tell me what do we gain as a team dumping him .. We lose the only deep threat we have .. We lose a well needed 3rd round draft choice .. How smart is it to put him on the open market and get nothing for him .. Do you not try to trade the guy and at least try to get some kind of draft choice for him .. Come on man .. Let’s face it .. Childress got his feelings hurt and how he is trying to punish moss but the fact is he is punishing the fans and the players on the team … What is worse a egomanic player or a coach .. If Moss go Childress should follow …

After reading about Moss’ behavior with the food and staying in Boston without asking permission I can see why this move was made. I still have a problem with the way Childress handled waiving Moss though. Deciding not to consult ownership or anybody else in management over an important decision is a bad way to conduct business. I’ll say that the move to waive Moss isn’t as bad as I originally thought but Chilly doing it without consulting anybody else reeks of a power play by the coach. So basically, I’m going to change my mind and agree with the decision to waive Moss but disagree with the shady way it was handled.

is taking a poll on whether Chilly should be fired.
Opportunity to vote and voice be heard from Vikings fans

I didn’t find the poll as they advertised

He should have been fired cuz he didn’t like the food? Not buying your take the high road stand.

Ted Bruchi really let Brad Childress have it in this segment. I think he is a little player biased, but he is right on about Childress’ methods. http://espn.go.com/blog/sportscenter/post/_/id/90128/why-was-randy-moss-waived

he goes on a tirade of “full-of-himself” comments after a game, throwing everyone under the bus while kissing the opponents ass.
Comes out he throws a tamtrum that is vocal and unbecoming of team conduct but, from what I hear is totally unacceptable human manners/behavior.
I don’t want Chilly here any more. But this is just a totally dumb person (Moss). The Vikings saw his behavior in TV interviews at NE. Why did they think Cill Pill could handle him.
Teddy Brushki advocates handling Moss with kid gloves. Why? He can’t behave like a human being or play for love of the game.
I don’t feel sorry for Moss at all. I don’t feel sorry for Chilly for thinking he could handle another problem.

I respect your points. However, I think that things are a little bit fishy here. First we heard a lot of support for Randy from the locker room effusive support actually from everyone in there pretty much for three weeks. Harvin has been all over his jock. Moss gets waived, many sports writers state that the Vikings locker room is in a disarray as players are not happy. Then suddenly we hear about things that happened a week ago, two weeks ago. I don’t know.

However, Randy Moss is Randy Moss. Childress hired him, I expect him to do his due dilligence and hell it shouldn’t be hard everyone knows Randy!

Childress isn’t handling this team well. A better head coach would have tried to work with Moss, obviously he can be worked with Bellicheck did it for three years, and since the Pats double teamed Moss relentlessly I highly doubt Bellicheck thinks Moss is over the hill. Moss is a future HoF reciever, I don’t think anyone doubts that. Not taking his opinions about a team he JUST got finished playing for is fool hardy and shows a level of hubris on Childress’s part that honestly I don’t think he deserves. I do not lke Childress never have. The way he handled this entire situation just hammers that nail home a couple of more times.

i had with Bruschi’s comments were when he compared Moss with Favre. There is no comparison!! Favre does not quit or loaf once he steps off the sidelines

So how can you support McKinnie being on this team still?

A guy who was so outraged by the attempts of one organization to provide the context to a controversial decision is now citing and quoting another organization’s attempt to do the exact same thing because he agrees with their controversial decision.

I’m sorry, but this isn’t about morals, or sticking to your beliefs. This is about whether you agreed with the decision in the first place. Because you did, in this case, it’s ok for the Vikings and/or their players to provide additional information. But when you don’t, then it’s character assassination?

Pathetic. And then my favorite part:

“But I will not be a hypocrite.”

Too late man, too late.

And Childress should pay the price for that.

How to handle it better? How about a phone call to the Commish and finding out how far Chilly could go in punishing/fining Moss for that behavior? They could have even sat him and not let him even enter the locker room or practice with the rest of the team for the rest of the year, see how well Moss survives that. If Moss is screwing up that badly, he needs to pay a severe price for it, AND the team needs to recoup something for what we paid for him, even if that comes out of Moss’ hide.

Of course, that would require some leadership, some strength and integrity, and above all, a pair of bright, shiny brass balls clanging so loud that it gave Moss a headache. Childress has not demonstrated that he has any of those attributes.

Given a choice between letting Moss go, or letting Chilly go, my vote is Chilly. Bring in someone strong enough to handle Moss and eat the lost season if that’s what it takes. Going 2-14 would give Minny a very, very high draft pick….

Benching indefinitely was a better option. Guts would mean dealing with the choice to trade for him
Like you say Grim they knew what they were getting. That was the problem to begin with. Why bring in a problem when you have enough problems. Be nice if Moss was a team player and accept he makes the team better by being a decoy sometimes.
Teddy is right on one thing. This is a team AND COACH, that was not ready to deal with Randy Moss.
Question lies. Did Chilly put his stamp of approval on this and then chicken out?

Sorry, couldn’t help myself. :P

If this story is true I’m going to have to side with you. It’s this very reason I was happy to see him go the first time. HOWEVER- I do find several aspects of this story, particularly compared to pretty much every other story about this situation out there, to be very suspect.

Moss can be a bit of a quitter- yes, but we all knew that from day one. And he’s got a loud mouth- come on, look at his end in New England, NO ONE could have thought he had learned to just shut up sometimes. Not us, not the team, not the FO. They knew EXACTLY what they were getting.

Again- if this guy was genuinely acting like this, then yeah- his time here is quickly and rightfully done. And like you said (although I know you were just saying it to reflect others’ stances), Chilly might still need to be fired, but if this is all true, then cutting Moss shouldn’t be a reason. But again- I just feel like I need to take this story with a shaker of salt.

I already commented on this in another post, so I won’t copy-and-paste, but a few key points on why I think this:

A.) This article makes it sound like this was a rather clear cut and fairly well explained (or, at least, the best explanation the players should expect outta Chilly) move. EVERY OTHER ARTICLE, no exageration, I’ve read, has made it sound as if no reason was really given. In particular, Ben Leber is quoted as saying essentially just that- Chilly gave no reason. Had Chilly really gone the ‘we want good people AND good football players’ speech, well, Leber wouldn’t have said there was no reason given.

B.) Think about the locker room. OUR locker room. Do you really think Moss is free to just do this? Someone is going to yell out for him to just shut the f**k up, and fairly quickly. The article makes it sound as if everyone just stood and watched in horror. While I’ve obviously never been inside the Vikings locker room, I just can’t picture that scenario in my head.

C.) This article states that ‘several players nodded their heads in agreement’. This is the ONLY place I’ve heard this. Everything else reports shock and frustration. Granted- many of these articles, even from supposedly unbiased viewpoints (sports columns are NEVER truly unbiased), are anti-Chilly, so this MIGHT weigh in on it.

D.) Sports is like the tabloids. If it’s mid-week, and there’s no game- it’s all about the juicy gossip. Why hasn’t this been reported sooner, or in more sources? This is certainly juicy gossip, and sports writes LOVE to say how terrible a player is behaving.

Again- overall, this article seems to deviate from everything else I’ve read so much that it’s like I’m reading about a completely different story. And that, again, makes it very suspect to me. Of course, if it’s true and I’m proven wrong, I’m rec’ing this FanPost.

We knew what we were getting into with Moss when we signed him. The fact that he behaved the way we knew he would likely behave is no reason for us to just flat out cut the guy, especially when we are on the hook for his salary should he not clear waivers and the fact that we lose out on our 3rd round pick.

I don’t care if it was on principle, because he should have used that principle to decide NOT to trade for Moss in the first place.

Now, none of us here put forth the due diligence you would need before signing a guy like Moss, yet we all know what kind of behavior to expect from him. Yet for some reason, Childress is surprised by his actions.

If this were someone who did not have a history of being a complete and utter douche, I would applaud Childress for taking a stand based on a principle. I would not be happy he waived the guy, but I would not be as upset.

Childress knew what he was getting into, still pulled the trigger, then pissed away a 3rd round pick (and potentially millions of dollars) to try to take some moral ground.

That is what I have a problem with, and that is why I believe Childress should be fired.

Wow, we agree this time! :D

SKOL VIKINGS!

GOOD RIDDANCE MOSS, you a$$-clown.

Now you know I am not a supporter of Chilly and support his dismaissal.. While taking a break in the room with the circulating indoor garden pond, I was reading an old Viking update. Wherein lies some answers to why he kept his mouth shut and why he doesn’t follow that philosophy any better consistancy than his game plan.
       -break as I go to the family library take a pee and find it. (music plays) -

Ahhh yes.Taken from Viking Update iFeb 2010

Let me lead with the final quote “If they runme down the road, at least I can look in the mirror and say I gave it my best shot and did it MY way-and my way is with good people who are good football players”

Anyway, this the supposed philosophy of Chilly

The next quote is " I’ve always been from the school of thought that you keep your mouth shut (in house problems)-just shut up and it will all come out in the wash"
*The reasoning behind Chilly’s secrecy? Which is never a secret too long

“The media is a necessary evil. They can only write what they have.
Maybe that is the problem Chills. They don’t always write what thy have. They add and exagerage. Leaving you to answer the missing mystery questions

If all the players thought that Moss was as big of an A-hole as it sounds, maybe the waiver will help bring the team together in support of the Childress decision.

Stll, we need that long threat. Where are you Sidney?

Thanks for the post Mr. Head

Im proud to say we dont have players that treat people like trash. Cant wait to have you back Sidney! Skol Vikings!

Spent a lot of time visiting with us disabled folks. Lots of guys were busy and we understood. Sidney was just caring and not worried about getting to the shower. chatted like old friends
Big change from Moss. Think Moss would prob
obly charge a cripple kid a buck for shaking hiis almighty hand

Just checking in.

Vince Lombardi not only would have thrown Moss under the team bus, he would have screamed at the bus driver to back up at least ten times just to be sure the mother was dead.

I hope Moss has a wonderful career in the CFL.

The only problem is now he is on waivers and the Bears need a wr badly so it is a good chance you will have to face him later this year
And a coach like Mike Martz will figure out how to get him open and involved in their offense
Your best luck is someone like cleveland picks him up before he makes it to the Bears or even that team in green and yellow

the 1st to voice my support of sending him packing. It was enough what happened during and after the game Sunday, but when I learned just today what happened at the team dinner – I’m glad to see him gone all the more. Has anyone noticed, production was up – wins – not so much? So how valuable was Moss while here? That’s a question that gets a different response based on what people think he would have done over the course of the season – which noone can positively say they know. Operative word being think. I think he would have been a detriment on many other fronts that may be more negative than his on-field positives. But do I positively know it?
BTW – I rec’d this post.

I am not a win-at-all-costs guy, I will not sell my soul to win.

So, what’s your stance on signing Brett Favre?

I still think cutting him was the wrong move.

If it was an attempt to dump his salary, then they went about it the wrong way. All this media frenzy is painting a really bad picture of Moss and lessening our chances of someone claiming him off Waivers (though it will likely happen) and releasing us from the burden of paying his salary. We should have given a valid reason for the cut and then kept our mouths shut.

So by releasing him, we give him exactly what he wants. A chance to go somewhere else and possibly earn that new contract. Why not neutralize him by sitting him for as many games as is necessary?

If he shapes up and plays, great. If he doesn’t, then he sits. That way he doesn’t have a chance to end up on a team that might use him to help beat us, and we keep him in case current CBA rules are continued and we get our Compensatory 3rd round pick for losing him in free agency.

It’s official. He fell all the way to #23 on the waiver wire. he is now on his third team in one season. Wonder if he will make it to a fourth.

Amazing how the first 22 teams gave up on getting “the best brownfield receiver in football” (quoting someone here) for nothing …

for being right. Apparently Mandy Ross has not matured since being shipped to Oakland. Bellichek (awful spelling, I know) and the Pat´s organization must have done an outstanding job of keeping him in check… wonder how they got THAT job done.
But Mandy isn´t our problem anymore, he´s a Titan now. Good luck, Tennessee… you´ll need it. Glad that locker room cancer is gone, good riddance. Sid should be back soon, anyway.

As I can´t watch games live in my neck of the woods and my work schedule was pretty tight for the last couple of days I just finished watching my recording of our loss to the Pats. And as I like to watch our games without knowing the result I had to restrain myself from checking this site for the last three days, resulting in me being utterly uninformed of other developments aside the selling of our dear Mandy. That I know of only because it was major news, frontpage, the first thing to hit my eye after I ordered my browser to take me to The Daily Norseman, and because I had to second puddnhead the very instant I read his insightful entry.

So, how´s Brett´s chin? Not broken I hope? Can he play the upcoming weekend? I really do hope so, he looked improved in his decision making. Better get an intentional grounding call than an INT, right? It would be a shame if Brett would have to sit out a couple of games just when he seems to adopt his new role on this offense – being a game manager with the ability to occasionally make a big play or two. I saw Brett, the game manager emerge during most of that game, and I liked what I saw. Ride AP, and when they get cocky the old man makes them pay… a viable gameplan in my book regarding the tools we´ve got. BTW, T-Jack´s done a very good job stepping in for the old man, so I quit calling him T-Joke for the time being. Temporarily.

Looking forward to catch up with everything that has happenend here since Sunday evening, though. That´ll require a lot of reading, and reading makes me thirsty, so I´ll grab another beer. And that can will be emptied in honor of Brad Childress, one of the worst coaches the NFL has ever seen. For having the testicles to do it his way. And for removing Randy “Cancer” Moss.

His interview with the press was a joke, but what was more interesting was the reaction from Favre and Harvin both of whom made remarks that did not toe the company line. I paraphrase ‘Fans don’t always understand or agree with what a coach does, and neither do players.’ came from Favre. While Harvin asked if he was angry or suprised about this said he was both. This doesn’t sound like the locker room wanted Moss out. When Childress was asked about the ‘catering’ incident he was like I wasn’t there, and I can’t state why I did what I did. He was deliberately evasive even on the times reporters called his but out. Honestly, this looks more to be about a power struggle with Childress than anything Moss did to alienate the team.
When the reporters asked Favre about Moss taking plays off he stated that Moss could take 50% of his plays off he still opens up the rest of the team, and that even though Randy doesn’t always run the best routes there’s one route people are pretty scared of.

Personally, i would have kept Moss he made the team better. He may not be the nicest person in the world but I’m pretty sure I’m not universally liked at my job either.

And for all you Moss haters, grow some balls anyone that has half a clue understands what Moss brings to the game. The guy is 2nd in recieving only to Rice. He will be in HOF and anyone thinking one guy is going to change the course this team is on this year has nooo clue

Came back to see the fallout and saw the response. Unlike on fanpost which claimed DN bloggers are uninformed and whiner (not what I consider a real fan who was actually a Favre groupie and follows Vikes cause of Favre). Still irritates me.
Point being the fans hear are intelligent and the response to this we thouhgt and written post is testimony to that -thanks
My favorite part was this quote you made:

 I am not a win-at-all-costs guy, I will not sell my soul to win. I need to be able to have respect for the key people on my team. I was not behind representatives of my team treating other people like dirt three years ago, and I won’t be behind my team doing it today. Randy Moss has not changed from how he was ten years azgo, if anything he has gotten worse. Put me down as on Childress’s side. I applaud him ridding the Minnesota Vikings of Randy Moss. It sucks that we lost a third round draft choice. It sucks that we have no deep threat. It sucks that we’re 2-5. But it would suck more if we lost or souls, sold them out for just a mere scrap of talent (and a half-@$$ed one, at that).

Chilly is still on the hot seat. What will save his job i there is a turn around. He has put his cards on the table and if the team folds-he doesn’t win. This move must be at least a full house for him to save his job

Point being the fans hear are intelligent and the response to this was fans wh were thought provoking and well written post is testimony to that -thanks
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I hope my pat was sufficient

-7 for Brad tossing out a 3rd round pick for nothing!

-7 for for Moss acting the way he did, granted it was normal for him.

-7 for ME thinking Moss would make a difference and being happy to see him back in purple. I was sad to see him leave the first time and glad to see him leave this time. I have lost all respect for that idiot and my Moss gear is on its way to the local dump!

I’ll take another -3 for not having burned his stuff; it could possible be salvaged yet if somebody spots it!

I just don’t get all the people who are lining up to defend Randy Moss’ poor behavior just because he’s got incredible athletic talent. Granted, there are any number of examples of sports celebrities’ (like Ben Roethlisberger) who believe they can treat the people around them with everything from blatant rudeness to violent cruelty, but that doesn’t make it right and I sure as hell won’t like it or condone it.

Since Childress took over as Vikings head coach he’s tried to bring personal accountability and a higher standard of behavior to a team that was fresh off the Love Boat scandal—to show that football players could be something better than thugs in matching uniforms. Whatever his shortcomings or inabilities as a coach might be, the current roster now reflects that goal. To compromise that for the sake of Randy Moss’ fickle talent is nothing short of mercenary and a blow to everything they have worked to build as a franchise.

Eventually, Randy Moss’ abilities will fade to the point that he can nolonger play in the NFL and he’ll go from being a talented, football-playing douchebag to just a douchebag.

His tenure in TN will be the proof, so we won’t have to guess who is right. I say we should have fired Chilly, kept Moss and made Frasier interim coach. Frasier could put Randy on notice that any future drama would get him suspended. Had Wilf done that, then this week we would be looking at a happier locker room with a real reason to rally.

It’s not just that he let Moss go, or that he traded for him in the first place, it’s those facts plus the inexcusable fact that he wasn’t willing to put forth the effort to address the issues. Chilly gave-up on Moss, and if you were happy to see him return a month ago then that should justifiably piss you off.

The only thing I have to say to Randy Moss now is: One Clap!

But after watching the replay of the Vikes/Pats game, I can “almost” but not completely understand Chilly’s wanting to get rid of him. If you watch how he gave up on a few plays including the PI in the end zone, granted, we scored anyways, but that and a few other weak blocking schemes and just plain ol lack of effort, I really think he gave up.

His attitude when a team has a few losses is dismantling. I would like to ask him why he was such an ass to the catereres. The food was good. He sounds like his was born in a barn downstream, so anything without maggets should be acceptable for him.