Chill Out: Brad Childress Fired As Vikings Coach
by Christopher Gates on Nov 22, 2010 11:08 AM CST
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PrintPer Jay Glazer's verified Twitter account:
Breaking news: brad childress has been fired as head coach of the minnesota vikins!
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Obviously, more on this as it develops.
Well, these are the 2010 Minnesota Vikings. . .damned if they weren't going to give us something to talk about this week.
EDIT: The Vikings have announced that defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier has been named the interim head coach for the season's remaining six games. Frazier and Vikings' owner Zygi Wilf will be addressing the media at Winter Park at 3 PM Central time.
We will continue to update this story as frequently as possible both here and at SBNation Minnesota.
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Excuse my inner teenage girl, but
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG! WOOT!
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 11:10 AM CST reply actions
I doubt this will fix much
Frazier was in charge of the defense and it has been awful. I doubt he will have the balls to sit Favre and give the ball to WHO?? ‘Not’ to Jackson I hope (but lets see what Webb can do).
Yeah but...
The HC makes the calls on allot of things. Just look at the Cowgirls. They sure are different now.
Yep
Confirmed on the Vikings website.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
AAAAAAAWWWWWWWSSSSSSSOOOOOOMMMMMEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Lets be clear here
I wish Brad Childress all the happiness in the world and certainly for his son serving in our proud military. I just want him no where near our MN Vikings.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 11:13 AM CST reply actions
Its kind of weird to think about it from his side…how much would it suck to have people all over cheering for you to get canned. I thought about that recently…it would really suck. Not saying people shouldn’t do it, just thought that would be a really strange feeling.
I am sure Matt Millen can help him deal with it
People are always calling for him to be fired.
Did I mention..I love the Phonz!
by The Profiler on Nov 22, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sure
never having to work again b/c of your buyout alleviates some ill feelings. 6.5 mill buyout is it?
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Actually, yesterday during the game when they were chanting fire Childress and the TV cameras just stuck on him,
I felt kind of awkward. Almost like watching someone get beaten up.
Didn’t make me feel sorry for the smug SOB, but I still felt a little awkward.
I felt kinda sorry for him.
But today, I feel like this:
by PurplePeopleEaters on Nov 22, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 11 recs
Best comment EVER!
A good coach makes his team better, he doesn’t wait for a better team to make him look good.
HOLY SHIT. LMAO
What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your entire rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Nov 22, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
Sure wouldn't.
But thousands of people chanting for you ass to be fired sure would.
He’ll get over it.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Nov 22, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
But I doubt his career will.
I’m pretty certain he will never again coach in the NFL in any fashion. Think about it. His one true stated strength was developing QBs. But how did that go during his time here? He has no cred left at all.
Probably not.
Dude has never even called his own plays. I don’t think I’d hire him as college coach.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Nov 22, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Welcome to a happy moment at DN Jonny
Just what I called for. Give Leslie a an interim shot and see
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I think you're spelling it wrong, Jimbo
by princelyfrank on Nov 22, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Even Wilf spells it wrong
What’s up with that??
/snark <— Did I really have to break out that thing?
Its confirmed per the organization
by Jonny Piff on Nov 22, 2010 11:15 AM CST via mobile reply actions
This=huge plus to stadium drive.
It makes a great business sense, if for nothing of bonus on the actual field.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 11:15 AM CST reply actions
Won't have any effect on getting a new stadium or not.
Doesn’t matter who the coach is, it’s all about the $. The Wilf’s will have to come up with something with a smaller price tag.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 22, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
well it might..
…if he stuck w/ chilly and vikes got blown out every game rest of the year, since players quit on him..that would have surely killed the new stadium support..
but if they can rally round frazier and end the season strong… i say it’s still hopeful
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by BranFavrenton on Nov 22, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Free at last, free at last!
We are free at last!
Any ideas on who can be recruited as Head Coach during the offseason? You guys like Kirk Ferentz?
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Has he said he'd like to coach again?
I thought he liked his cushy “analyst” job.
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Yeah he's itching for it
It’s Dungy that isn’t going to happen.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
My guess on that
negotiating ploy
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Nov 22, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'd run naked through the streets if the Vikes got Cowher
It has never been mentioned as a destination for him so I’ll hold my optimism. Is Fraizer going to turn the play calling over to Bevell?
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
It hasn't been mentioned b/c
no one expected us to go 3-7 and get abused at home by the Pack. I thought Chilly was safe for a whlie after last year’s success.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
One year to the next
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
It won't be Cowher
He lives closer to Carolina and his wife prefers they stay there. Ziggy would have to throw Farve cash his way for him to take the job. With the lockout coming up, I can’t see any major names being hired anywhere.
His wife passed away earlier this year
Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....
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by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 22, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
But...
The Vikings can’t just go out and hire Cowher. They have to at least interview a minority for the position before hiring Cowher. I guess they could interview Frazier for the position. If Frazier gives any kind of hint of success from here on out, it would suck to let him go in favor of Cowher.
I AM VIKING, HEAR ME ROAR!!!
Les Steckel stated he would be up for another attempt at running the Vikings
into the ground.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Yes!!
I heard that, too. He promised to re-sign Troy Williamson as his first move at head coach. There were grumblings of a Herschel Walker deal as well. He’s not that old yet.
update
spergon wynn named as starting qb along w/ foge fazio as DC..
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by BranFavrenton on Nov 22, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Hey you leave my Hawkeye coach alone.
Oh by the way, one more butt whipping coming to a field near you when the Hawkeyes come to town Saturday.
I hear Tim Brewster is looking for work…
by fitzyfantastic on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 AM CST reply actions
DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 AM CST reply actions
Kind of what I feel like trying to catch you in the Yahoo pickem contest
Damn man! I have taken a few chances and each time my change was wrong. Probably would have only been 10 points closer but damn man, can’t catch you!
by PurpleJesus on Nov 23, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
So I guess I'll have some interesting questions for Toby Gerhart tomorrow...
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 11:17 AM CST reply actions
I'm guessing this might be our fourth biggest day ever
Behind the two Moss days and Favre coming back.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
I bet your probalby right
Let the count begin…
now… Can we match what the Cowboys did and start WINNING!?!?
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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by Admiral BigGun on Nov 22, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
The only sad part is....
This was probably done too late….
Should of been done after the Moss ordeal… When he was waived!!!
IMO anyways
In the words of flavor flav....
YEAH BOI !!!
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by MOSScomeBACK2vikes on Nov 22, 2010 11:20 AM CST reply actions
Congrats Viking fans
I know you guys are relieved this happened. Now hopefully a new good coach will come in and make some changes. There’s way too much talent on that team to be 3-7.
Best of luck
YES!!!
>>>>this is the next best thing to winning the Super Bowl this year!!!
by Marooned Pirate on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 AM CST reply actions
Someone needs to make a ''thank you'' post on Acme PAcking Co.
Who would have thought the best thing to happen to the 2010 MN Vikings came at the hands of GB?
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 AM CST reply actions
They are already thanking themselves
Calling themselves teh coach killers.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
But
to receive a butt-whooping like that, one has to wonder.. Did our team lay down and let them walk past us?
In a deliberate attempt to have Childress removed?
If so, the opposing team should not feel success, but just an easy W in the W category..
I think professional athletes
are too competitive to intentionally lay down and die. Not motivated to play for a coach, or in complete disarray, now that seems a more plausible explanation.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
Nah but I did see some of the give up I saw in the Dallas Jacksonville game
and that was hard to take as a Viking fan playing Green Bay…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Perhaps we're saying or seeing the same thing
but I would still maintain that intentionally losing is far less credible as an explanation than giving up or not being motivated because of other reasons.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
Good riddance
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?"- Dirty Harry
YESSSSSS!
A two year dream comes true.
let us all join in on a unity choras. let there be peace in the house of the Norse
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 11:23 AM CST reply actions
Been waiting for this news all day
I am not a big fan of LF, but let’s see if it was Chilly holding him back. Good move ZW wish you would have done it earlier. Say after the Saints game.
by SouthernNorseman on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I wish Childress
the best…. He has improved the team via record through each season, and draft… But, its hard to have a competitive team if the players are likely not respecting you.
INDEED, WWWWAAAAYYYY TOOOOO LOOONG....BUT IT GOT DONE.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
We got our wish. . .
Now let’s see what happens. . .
wish number 2.....3-13....."just lose baby".....wish number 3.....top draft choice.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
This is move one in a series of moves that need to be made..
Ive been hoping this would happen since last year. I dont want to see another great coach to be go the way of mike tomlin. Lets hope frazier sticks around for next year and we can bring someone in like dungy as a general manager. That needs to be addressed too. After that we will hopefully start addressing our god awful secondary and offensive front. I havent been this excited since the randy moss deal!
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Let this day be known as Cheesemas...
Gawd blessya, Green Bay Packers. Sometimes it takes a real ass whipping to wake up the nearly dead. Even Ziggy felt that 31-3 cheek smacker. You don’t need to be a football expert to know when your butt-tocks is being whomped by a canoe paddle.
Brad Childress was standing between Ziggy and his new stadium. Stadium won.
I shall buy cheese on this day, in thanks to our green and yellow brothers.
by jimbo55403 on Nov 22, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
HA, I'll put that on my list today, too Jimbo.
In honor of Green Bay, I shall buy cheese and buttwipe at the grocery store and some paint thinner at Home Depot.
Minnesota fans have been though far tougher times than this. Buck up everybody—sunshine and better days are straight ahead!
People pointing out some bad coaches
What, are you going to claim Lovie Smith, Marv Lewis, and Singletary have done anything on the field to deserve keeping their jobs?
by Midnight Rambler on Nov 22, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
No this list is not all the bad coaches
Where Buffaloes, Carolina, Arizona, Denver, coaches names. These guys don’t deserve their jobs either but I don’t see any of their names on this list. This is list of black coaches that the "color blind " people think should lose their jobs
Singletary, possibly.
Lovie Smith is likely not going anywhere.
Congrats on getting rid of what was arguably your biggest hurdle towards future success. I’m pleased as punch to see Frazier get a chance, though i’m mixed on how successful he will be. I think if you split or better, he should be the auto-choice, and I think that anything less than that, you go on a high-powered search.
Good luck!
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Also, it's you're
But I won’t nitpick grammar with a Packer fan ;)
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
HALLELUJAH!!!!
Well, it’s about friggin’ time. He certainly earned his firing, not just for terrible interpersonal skills (lack thereof) but for his bizarre way of communicating, terrible clock management, inability to really motivate anyone, and his ridiculous love affair with Tarvaris Jackson, who I GUARANTEE you is NOT an NFL-caliber quarterback and never will be on a regular basis. Now we have a set of new questions, and are still facing a meaningless season:
- Is it too late to save this franchise in Minnesota? The stadium issue has dragged on FAR too long, with no resolution in sight. And I get no inklings that an answer is imminent.
- What coach would really covet this job? I think Spielman is one asset, but the team is in need of overhaul, the stadium issue looms large, and the environs only appeal to a segment of the population. I am convinced Cowher covets the Panthers job, Gruden may stay in the booth at least one more year, and if John Fox gets axed (likely) I don’t know if he would be the right fit (over-rated and stubborn).
- Is Frazier the long-term answer? Maybe, but he has a ton to prove and I was not impressed with his work on the Defense this year. I would prefer a more seasoned Head Coach, but I am open minded and will take a wait and see approach.
- What players on the team are just fed up enough to want out badly in the off-season? I think some are just drained by all the drama, the letdown of a season that held much promise, and they will probably bolt if it looks like T-Jack is gonna be handed the reins.
- How miserable is Adrian Peterson, and does he feel he would be better off with a much stronger run-blocking Line? I know those thoughts would be in MY head. He is in his prime, but there have been so few holes and his career could be even more stellar with a better O-Line and a shot at some Super Bowls. If he turns sour, what do they do with him?
I know there are millions of new questions (and some old lingering issues) but this quickly became a team in upheaval, when it looked a lot more stable about a year ago (except the QB MESS that Chilldo helped create).
I wish Childress well and believe he is a good man. But, much like many others (Wade Phillips and many others come to mind), only a small percentage of coaches are truly cut out to be HEAD coaches. And Childress never was the right man for the job.
As a Viking fan since 1970, I say THANK GOODNESS this period is over. And may the Vikings organization find a way to not only remain where they belong, but may they deliver a Super Bowl to the LOYAL fans before too much longer.
This was all orchestrated by McCarthy
Smear the Vikes, get Chilly fired, and restore some honor and pride to the Vikes in time for the 2nd Chi game.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 AM CST reply actions
Do you think Favre will drive Childress to the airport this time?
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
With a severance package
of a lifetime supply of Wranglers and Crocs
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
and cock pix.
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by IABerserker1 on Nov 22, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Step 1, fire Childress.
Step 2, hire someone other than Leslie Frazier and his vanilla, out of date Cover 2 4-3 defense to lead this team.
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by PJS on Nov 22, 2010 11:33 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
It has been said
That Frazier isn’t all happy b/c Chilly doesn’t allow some exotic, risk taking packages to be used on D. IE zero blitzes…etc..
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
His defense is exactly what Indy does ...
… relying on the front 4 almost exclusively to provide a rush.
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But like Jepp said, it’s been noted before that, that might because that’s what Chilly wanted him to do.
I know I’ve seen some other guys on here post stats about the INT numbers that Frazier’s defenses have recorded over the years, and I think all of them were high aside from his years with the Vikings. That might be telling of some of the restrictions he possibly faced with Chilly.
by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
That would be me..
In one of my more lucid posts about why Childress is teh foot ball version of the Antichrist.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I was actually thinking it was you but at the risk of it not being you I decided not too mention your name. Anyway, I think you’re probably pretty spot on in that thought.
by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think Grime made a fanpost regarding Frazier and his history as a defensive coach. I can’t remember what it was called but maybe Grime does?
by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
oh, ok I understand Grime’s reply above now, misinterpretted it before maybe. Are you able to dig up a link to it Grime?
I looked around but couldn't find the article I had read which showed the stats
Sorry about that. I’ll see if I can rummage around a bit tonight and see it.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Totally agree.
I don’t want any of that Cover 2 crap in Minnesota.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Nov 22, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I think that was more of childress issue
Remember EVERY defense Frasier has been on prior to the Vikes he’s up’d their int rate by a large amount.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Definitely the smile of the week!
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awesome!!
I would have lost respect for Wilf if he didnt do this!
Time to dream of the future…Cowher as Coach..Parcells as GM..
Not Wade Phillips?
I hear he’s available
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by MOSScomeBACK2vikes on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Well It's about time!
Maybe we have an actual shot of beating the Redskins at least. Maybe a new coach can explain to Keven Williams how to spell his name!
by abba7 on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Lol!
The best post in this entire thread is a gaffe! I laughed until I had tears at that!
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lol
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 22, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
OK here comes some hypothetical possibilities, some realistic and others for humor
With Chilly gone, the Vikings sign Moss as a free agent.
The defense now realizes they are playing for their jobs as well as Frazier’s
Berrian realizes that him and his yellow shoes have a place on the team, the cheerleading team, because they are not required to catch.
Favre signs a 1 year deal for the league minimum as a 2nd/3rd string QB/QBcoach to bring Joe Webb up to speed.
Chris Cook sees a specialist to get his neck fixed, this way his head will actually turn and follow the ball and the receiver.
huh?
Randy Moss is under contract with the Titans.
And Brett favre as coach??? Puhlease. I don’t want that. You don’t want that. He doesn’t want that. In 6 weeks (if not before), he’s going back to Mississippi in order to hole up and not be heard from again for a LONG time. Especially if the regretS investigation keeps dragging on.
damn it
does this mean the Queens wont bend over for the Lions like they did for the packers?
The beginning of the end of the misery
The Vikings have won
19 of the last 21 games against the Lions.
You should effort to show a little respect to a team that owns you as thoroughly as we do.
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by Christopher Gates on Nov 22, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
I respect the teams that beat the Lions 19 out of 21 times. Unfortunately, its not the same team that will take the field in week 17
The beginning of the end of the misery
by Latif Masud on Nov 22, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'll give you guys some cred
You are definitely a better football team than your record makes you appear.
But then again, I like to thing we still can be, too.
Good
There are undoubtedly angles to this I haven’t considered yet—what if Favre sabotaged Childress, for instance—but for now I am glad that the re-building from this disaster of a season has begun.
by Midnight Rambler on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 AM CST reply actions
thought about it but
no way favre throws his last season (?) to get a coach fired. more likely approach would be constant audibles to improve his stats and game. Why would favre go 2-2 against pack for a personal vendetta? oh wait….
by redhearring on Nov 22, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
So what goes next?
The o-line? The secondary? The d-line?
So much rebuilding aside from a new stadium.
First Brewster, Now Childress
A house-cleaning year in Minnesota football!
by Midnight Rambler on Nov 22, 2010 11:43 AM CST reply actions
I just realized how we can get a stadium built in MN!
Ask Habitat for Humanity! That should save our legislature about 30 mil easy!
Re: Habitat for humanity
ROFLMAO. Maybe Jimmy Carter can build the luxury boxes.
that was awesome!!!
I just spit my lunch all over my screen thank you very much lmao.
by SeanInEauClaireWi on Nov 22, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Does that mean Ziggy gets to drive rivets?
It’s always fun imagining a rich guy doing physical labor. Never actually happens, of course.
Frazier is still an asset to this team.
Early on our defense was playing fantastic taking in all the turnovers this year into account. We’re still ranked 10th in total yards allowed per game. That’s pretty good considering how often we have the ball… :P
To say our Defense is horrible isn’t really that fair. There have been some blown plays, but that’s hardly because of the plays called, but the ability of the players themselves.
In honor of Jay Glazer
For breaking this story, I encourage everybody to have a $5 foot long at Subway for lunch today.
And, yes, this should make the interview that Eric is conducting tomorrow a bit more interesting.
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by Christopher Gates on Nov 22, 2010 11:51 AM CST reply actions
I should probably ask Gerhart how he feels about playing with his old teammate Andrew Luck
Because at this rate we’ll probably be able to draft him.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
I wish
unfortunately Luck will probably be gone with the 1st pick and we’re sitting at, I think, the fifth pick right now?
by princelyfrank on Nov 22, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
You should let Detroit win
We want to move down a few spots anyways
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by The Profiler on Nov 22, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Ask Toby
how good it feels to have your SUCK factor slowly melt away.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
I'm happy for you guys
The NFC isn’t the same without a quality Vikings team. May your return to winning be swift.
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Thanks
Keep dominating the NFC…too bad we won’t be around to hand you the NFC Championship like we did in ’98 though.
/Bashes head against desk for thinking about ’98
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah it's really too bad
You guys cant beat us via missed field goal in the NFC Championship game this year…..
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Yea I would...
Definitely like to get Luck. Maybe we hire Jim Harbaugh as our coach next year too…. Gruden is my first choice. Bye Bye Chilly… I bet he is still looking for a challenge flag… LoL. Go Vikes!
Memo for Packer fans
If you’re here to actually discuss the Childress firing, wonderful.
If you’re here to rub in what happened yesterday, your stay will be short.
Don’t like it? Too f’ing bad.
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by Christopher Gates on Nov 22, 2010 11:59 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yep.
Good riddance to gloating drunkards. It’s not like they swept us when we were playing well, anyway – like we did to them last year. So not sure why they feel the need to gloat…kind of stupid but that describes most Packer fans, anyway…
Figures...
…that you would defend this ass-kicking by inferring that you handed us a win. Forget the fact that the game started out with you holding the Packers to zero points and one first down in the first quarter. You came out wanting to win and the Packers completely extinguished whatever fire you had in your bellies. Justify it all you want, but it was a shellacking for all Packers fans and players to be satisfied with. You’d be acting the same way if you did the same thing.
That being said, I’m glad Zygi fired Chilly – not because I like seeing people lose their jobs but because I do not want to see the franchise moved because lack of fan support blocks a stadium deal. It’s obvious that this move was done against Zygi’s nature in order to salvage any support that the team still has left. Hopefully you guys can pull a Cowboys and rattle off a bunch of wins to get you close to .500 as the season ends so that you can have some momentum going into next season. As a Packer fan in Minnesota, I enjoy this rivalry and like it when it makes for good, competitive games. Here’s hoping that this season is an anomaly and you guys bounce back next year.
Also, as much as I don’t like Chris, I have to agree with him on his views with people that “cheer” for their “favorite team” to lose. The Packers were 4-8 in 2006 and won their final four games and carried that momentum to the NFC title game next year. What good does it do rooting for your team to lose. It’s hard to believe that you can even consider yourself a fan after that. Be excited for 3-13 and a high draft pick if you actually finish 3-13. Otherwise, cheer for your team’s success.
(If that warrents a ban, then so-be-it. Chris already blocked me on Twitter so I’m sure he’s looking to make it 2 for 2)
by Matt Capelle on Nov 22, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
But
It was a shellacking of a 3-7 team and one that was in decline. We handed you your asses twice last year while you were making a run for the playoffs. Big difference.
Now get your Old Milwaukee swilling, water head out of here.
I AM VIKING, HEAR ME ROAR!!!
+1
our team has not played at the same level of 2009.
The 2010 Packers have played more at the same level as 2009.
W/ that said.. I would feel more proud of the 2009 sweep as a Vikings fan vs. the 2010 sweep if I was a Packers fan.
Good point
All the Packers did this week was beat up on a bad team
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
But
You never beat us as soundly as 31-3. The games weren’t nailbiters but the Packers hung in there until the end. It’s not like you held us without a TD in our home stadium for the first time in five years. A pro football team should not get beat that soundly. I don’t care how poorly a team is playing, but when you beat a team with a large amount of high profile players as soundly as GB beat both the Cowboys and the Vikings, they are good wins. You can’t have people talk about how much talent is on this team and then justify a loss by saying that you are in decline. It’s a paradox and doesn’t make and sense.
Also, as I stated above, if the roles were reversed (as they were last year), you all would be screaming to the high heavens in excitement. So I think we should tone down the hostility a little bit. And, for the record, I hate Old Milwaukee. Pabst Blue Ribbon – now that’s a good beer.
by Matt Capelle on Nov 22, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A pro football team should not get beat that soundly.
Um, yeah. That’s why we fired his ass.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Late decision
But the right one. Should’ve happened after the whole Moss debacle.
by Matt Capelle on Nov 22, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Should of happened prior the Moss debacle
And he would of never been waived in the first place.
W/ Rice taking his sweet time to return to the game, a presence of Moss would have been great.
i would rather have a not-trying-real-hard-Moss on a field vs a Berrian who gets injured by the drop of a feather.
Because he draws double-coverage and opens it up for PH…
Need a thesaurus...
to try and find a synonym for “soundly.” My apologies for the awful repetition of the word.
by Matt Capelle on Nov 22, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, yeah you’re right. Our offensive line was in disarray though without both Clifton and Tauscher. I kind of think had we had both of them, or at least Clifton, that things could have been different after seeing his performances against Allen this season. We’ll never know though!
by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You shouldn't.
I mean, he’s not a train wreck, but he’s subject to brain cramp challenges and he falls in love with his own clever passing schemes too much. He’s ok. If you’ve got championship talent he might not get in the way, but I think he had a direct role in the losses to Washington and Miami earlier this year.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 22, 2010 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
kind of stupid but that describes most Packer fans, anyway…
What’s this kind of stuff.
Nice,
Love IT!
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Nov 22, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Leslie Frazier
Does he have a good reputation with the players? Can you guys see him pulling a Jason Garrett? Just wondering.
Not really
He has been a timid defensive coach at best. Probably liked but so what – there’s more to coaching than just being “liked.” Hopefully we go out and get a REAL coach in the off-season this time.
He's been reported to be....
a confident to most players on both sides of the ball, so i guess you would call him a players coach. We’ll see.
Agreed
I actually like Frazier as head coach. I don’t think we’ll have the lack of discipline from him that we had with Tice. The players do like him, though. I think he deserves a shot. There’s enough season left to get a good feel for what he can bring. Anything’s an improvement over what we’ve had the last few years.
Tice
Got fired by Wilf for going 9-7. What took so long with Childress?
I AM VIKING, HEAR ME ROAR!!!
Chilly's players
Didn’t rent a boat to solicit sex in public.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Frazier does not impress me
Not the way this D has played this year especially. Unless he remarkably does a 180, he can depart at the end of the year as well.
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Exactly how I feel
All the Holidays came early to me at once today.
Even though we suck, this brings the biggest smile on my face for a LONGGGGGGGGGG time.
Oh,
Obligatory well wishes to Mr. Brad Childress and his family. Seriously, I know he will get a severance package that will make whatever transition he makes easier, but it can’t be fun to lose your job at this time of year.
He was just in over his head as an NFL head coach.
That's not a good comparison
Ned Flanders has a full head of hair. Chilly is bald.
Ned Flanders smiles a lot and cracks jokes. Chilly never smiles and never cracks jokes.
Ned Flanders talks with lots of emotion and varies the pitch of his voice. Chilly speaks in the same dull, emotionless monotone the entire time.
Your post is an insult to Ned Flanders. :)
I do think Flanders’ coaching skills would be equal to or better than Chilly’s, however. And I do agree with you that Cowher would be an attractive choice for head coach—if the Vikes can pry him away from his TV gig.
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by Dr. Dunkenstein on Nov 22, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
NEXT STEP IS A FARVE RETIREMENT OR BENCHING.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Just cut him
I heard the Titans need a QB. ;-)
by Puddleglumed on Nov 22, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Than they go on to win the SUPERBOWL
and all of us feel completely jew’d..
ha, wouldn’t that be weird….
jew'd?
wow. I remember 4th grade, too!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Nov 22, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
WHERE THE HELL IS LLV.....EAT YOU R WORDS, PAL. CHILLY SUX.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
losing never felt so good. ding-dong the pussy is dead.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
so who is the new DC?
..did they announce that yet?
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
I would think the Defensive line coach Dansby isn't it?
He was doing an excellent job with the D line tell this year.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
You mean Karl Dunbar?
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Yeah that might be even more correct.. :p
But they were talking about him being the DC if Frasier left next year.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Maybe Frazier will bypass Bevell
and let Favre call the plays. Old School all the way.
Your fantasy football expert since Jerry Rice's rookie year.
Chilly is dead
maybe this will light a fire under the guys asses. I work with a couple of other Vik fans and we just can not believe how much of a dive this team has taken from last year. Before the season we were talking SB…… now we are talking draft choice…that sucks.
Don’t know if it is good or really good, but change had to come and now is as good of a day as any……OH BTW…..%$^^%%^# the ^%$^E$% PACK, they can lick my scrot.
Step 1 done — FINALLY!!!
Step 2 tell Brett it’s time to go back to the farm & thank you for the efforts.
Step 3 Put Joe Webb in as QB for the remainder of the season & see if he can make the cut. Don’t waste time on TJ.
Finally start working out deals with free agents that the Vikings can’t afford to lose.
Thinking about it
would shouldnt have fired Chilly until after the season so we would have a better draft choice
I Can't Go For That
In no way do I want the Vikings to tank their season for a high draft pick. It’s just too painful to watch them lose. I’d rather run the table but that’s just me I guess.
I AM VIKING, HEAR ME ROAR!!!
Bears fan here... congratulations to the Vikings
Even though I hate you guys, of course (I have to, it’s the rule), I am glad to see you finally got rid of that clown Childress…
I depend on you guys to beat the crap out of the Packers for me, and that guy was keeping that from happening.
Good luck the rest of the year (except, of course, against us).
Wow, who would have thought that the only person that could unite all fans in the NFC North
Was Brad freaking Childress.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I ain't uniting with any Packers
I hope they freaking HIRE Childress.
Just to be clear where the love is :)
They would have if you guys hadn't hid him away.
Thanks for that, btw.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 22, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
U.N.I.T.Y
RIP Chilly the Consensus-builder
by Midnight Rambler on Nov 22, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Responds for what?
Season’s over. Who cares how they respond at this point, really? None of their games will have any meaning at all, so not much point in watching, other than if you really love the sport itself. I’m not that huge into football unless I have a horse in the race, so to speak, so I’m not seeing any reason to really care about Frazier taking over (aside from the fact that I think he’s an inadequate coach as well).
I'm not saying
that you shouldn’t watch the games, but I mean to say that they mean nothing now, so much less excitement/interest to them remains.
It's called being a fan
I will stick with them to the last play, why? Because I am a Viking fan. Not saying your not, but , I look at this to see if they can play the spoiler.
by NCviking on Nov 22, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey we still got a Bears game at the Dome.
I guess it will just have to do. Yeah if only this happened about 4 games ago. Things might be different.
Some Of Us
Watch because we love the team and have stuck with them through thick and thin. Nothing would make me happier than to see the team respond to Frazier as coach and make a nice run at the end of the season.
I AM VIKING, HEAR ME ROAR!!!
by BaldViking on Nov 22, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No Ida...
We needed to give Leslie a period of evaluation. YTou don’t expect a miracle but you want a guy in there who can take the current system and adjust it.
This also lets the team get a look at who was beaten downby the uninspired coaching and which ones just plain gave up.
You can’t blame guys like Jared and Kevin if their supporting staff was giving up while they were kicking ass.
Leslie better make it known that poor attitudes and play will not be tolorated
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 12:21 PM CST reply actions
Frazier was part of the problem, too, though...
So I’m not sure how this is a huge improvement, really. Hopefully once the season is over with, Captain Timid is replaced by a real coach who knows how to get his D-line to go out and get some sacks and how to craft a real secondary that can shut-down a passing game consistently. :)
Sure Frazier was part of the problem at times
But we all seem to forget how often, early this season, the D was the only reason we were still in games.
At the end of the day we just needed a change. If this works in lighting a fire, SWEEET. If it doesnt, more change will come at season’s end.
Yes FSU
How long can a D stay motivated when they are back on the field every 2 minutes. They do their job and the O flops.
It took its toll. It happens. I’ve seen it happen at the HS level and college. If one part of the team is on the field constantly and told to hold-hold -hold them from scoring. It just zaps the momentum
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
You end up feeling like its all on you and upto you at the same time. Not the healtiest of positions. Sure you can deal with it for a while but after what 10 weeks, thats asking anyone alot.
lol spelling
At the end of the day, If Frazier does well its good for all of us, if he doesn’t well we can always look for someone better in 6 weeks time.
Forget the spelling
If we are so lame we don’t realize people make typos for whatever reason. Who cares? I will mke them and continue to – so shoot me
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
That's right FSUViking. We were 1-3 and the D was not to blame at all.
Brett screwed us & has continued to screw us. Favre needs to go and lets get TJack out there. We need to make a decision on him by seasons end. Lets get Webb on the field also. Chilly was step 1. We need to see what pieces fit & which one don’t.
Well it's finally over
The season and the coaching issue. Frazier won’t be any better, though…as his timid defensive schemes appear to have been part of the problem this season as well. Hopefully we hire Gruden or someone of that caliber in the off-season. I don’t want to get stuck with Captain Timid aka Frazier as a Head Coach, either.
The sad part is that there’s really no reason to watch anymore games this season. We’re fried and cooked.
Hopefully we get some good new talent to start fresh for next year…if there IS a next year. Sigh.
I don't know
I personally think Frazier is excellent at expressing the “Lovie Face”
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Congrats
Hopefully the incumbent can do wonders with your team while it is still largely intact. It’s time to bench the old man and see what you have in house for QB’s.
I like Hamburgers!
STOP DREAMING!
Anyone who listens or reads about the NFL ought to be aware by now that Bill Cowher has no interest in the Vikings job. He never will. Give it up. Cowher HAs, on the other hand intimated very strong desire to coach in NY and he lives in North Carolina and has repeatedly stated that he hopes to remain close to his family so he can be involved with his children while they are still young enough to need his presence. John Fox has all but self-destructed in Carolina because he wants out. IF the Giants wilt and miss the playoffs, you can also bet that Coughlin will be once again in hot water. ONE of those two jobs is most likely already earmarked for Bill Cowher, who I believe wants to return to the sidelines for one more go.
While Gruden might be a fan favorite with many, he has never stated much interest in coaching in 2011, and seems quite content to wait out the CBA mess and collect fat paychecks for commentating – for now. I think he would prefer a handful of other opportunities over Minnesota, as well. It appears to me that the most likely scenario is that Wilf will stick with Leslie Frazier, since it is the easiest answer. OR, he will scour the college ranks for a young guy who won’t be picky about the situation (stadium issue, rebuilding phase, cold weather environment, etc.) and we will be rolling the dice on someone with little NFL-level background.
People have also mentioned Marty Schottenheimer’s name, but I don’t see that happening. Something tells me he would be a terrible fit. I would like to see massive overhaul of the coaching staff, including Darrel Bevell. It would be interesting if Favre really wanted to be QB coach, but I do not think he has the right mentality – at least he never speaks in those terms, so it is probably a wild notion. I feel he could instill a lot of passion and teach a young guy how to break down defenses as well as anyone, but he would have to deal with the frustration of watching another quarterback go out and mess up the execution on occasion. He would have the itch to suit up and run out there, which would not be in the team’s best interest. No, I think it is time to scrape the leftovers into the trash and start fresh as much as possible.
A few players have been great this year, and those guys deserve extra credit for holding their heads up and giving effort. A few of them include EJ Henderson for his amazing recovery; Chad Greenway for being a leader who has had his best season; Adrian Peterson for continuous effort and class; Percy Harvin for overcoming major health issues; Hutchinson for being the lone bright spot on an underproducing line; Antoine Winfield for doing his job well and showing the league how to tackle; and Brett Favre for, despite troubles he may have brought upon himself, for still being the toughest SOB quarterback I have ever seen.
and remember
how long it took Cowher to win the big one. He was lambasted in Pitt for a long time..
One friend mentioned Parcels. Hmmm, the Tuna in Minnesota????
Gruden – he might not get the following of the players. He is headstrong and being in Bucs territory and a god son who played for him, he wasn’t honest with his players and kinda ran Dungy’s boys into a team that eventually gave up,
One idea I liked was bringing Wade Phillips in as D coordinator. Good football mind. Just not a head coach.
Capers – Wow. That would be something to check out.
If Frazier surrounds himself withthe right people, he may just be the right man.
Let’s wait it out and see how the pieces fit
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
That's a good point.
I had actually formed an opinion that Cowher would never win a title, until he did of course. I don’t think you want Parcells on the sideline; he’d get bored half-way through his own tenure and leave you with a bunch of guys with mediocre talent who can’t play any other system. And it’s not like you need a rebuild. The cupboard isn’t exactly bare.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 22, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
Hey if we took Capers
Then the Pack would know how it feels to lose a great DC to a team and then watch them win the super bowl.. :D
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
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is reporting that Wilf has given Frazier instructions to use T-Jack more. Didn’t say starting him yet but that looks like an audition to see if he’s learned anything from watching Favre the last 18 months 9 months.
As far as Brad Childress…Well I’d like to thank him for cleaning up the mess that this beloved franchise was in after Red McCombs sold the team and the love boat scandal.
Also, thank you for drafting Adrian Peterson.
I’ll admit that never like Childress as an in game HC due to numerous blown challenges, and questionable decisions and his inability to make in game changes to the game plan.
I am relieved that this soap opera is over with Childress, and now the players have to man up and prove that it was their coach and not their skills as football players making a lot of money, that was holding this team back. No more excuses!!!
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Ugh...more T-Suck?
Sounds like Wilf needs to be replaced too…if he thinks that’s the right call. Good Lord!
No, it has to be done
TJack is in his final contract year, and we don’t have anything else viable at QB. We have to know what we have (or don’t have) at QB for sure while we’re still playing football.
It would be interesting to see Webb get in, if he’s even capable of trying (I’m not really sure).
The Favre start thing is probably a delicate matter. maybe Brett will make the decision for Zygi. But if he doesn’t … maybe Zygi, like the good businessman he is, will want to get his marketing value out of having Favre. So at least start him, and maybe some people will come to see him play for the last time or something. There isn’t much else to draw any non-diehard people to home games at this point.
Favre needs to do the honorable thing
With this season blown, Favre’s pursuit of 300 straight starts is no longer an honorable goal, and he’s a big enough man to know that.
Instead, he needs to step back and become the assistant QB coach for T-Jack and Webb. He should spend the rest of the year pouring knowledge into their heads about how to beat every defense imaginable. Pump fakes, eye fakes, head fakes, shoulder fakes, hard counts, setting up a CB for a deep ball, throwing to the back shoulder. Favre is the trickiest SOB I ever saw.
Favre has a chance to leave a really positive legacy. That starts with being generous to the guys that will follow in his footsteps.
TJack HAS to start.
There’s ZERO point in keeping Favre there. TJack is not as bad as Favre has been this year. He can play, but his last real opportunity was 2008 when he shared time with Gus.
His end of 2008 run was actually very amazing.
I agree with this.
Yeah, no one thinks T Jack is the next coming of Cunningham, but at least lets prove that and take some inventory. Who knows what we’ll find??!?
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully Frasier isn't beholden to Favre
But I’m not hopeful.
Even if Frasier does the right thing, over-rules Bevel, and tries to start T-Jack, I am afraid Wilf will over-rule him.
Zygi may have canned Chilly, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
by Midnight Rambler on Nov 22, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Ain't gonna happen
And seriously … there are legitimate reasons for it not to happen. If you get rid of your only proven (if underperforming) QB, how are you gonna evaluate the rest of the offense? Rice is going off contract, for starters, we still need to see if he can still play following the injury. ANd how abou the o-line?
Not to mention, Frazier and Favre are actually kinda tight. Why would Frazier do this to himself? Even putting aside what he thinks of Favre, think about it. If Favre succeeds, Frazier probably gets a permanent job. If Favre keeps flailing, Frazier has a scapegoat. And lets be seriuos, what are teh chances of TJack succeeding and getting Frazier a job? that’s what I’m thinking, if I’m Leslie.
I think Zulgud mades some good points over at ST:
As the relationship between Favre and Childress grew more strained, it was Frazier who served as a sounding board for a frustrated Favre. Frazier became one of Favre’s main allies last month when Childress considered benching the quarterback against New England because of fractures in his ankle and heel.
If nothing else, remember that owner Zygi Wilf is paying Favre $1 million per game this season and likely wouldn’t be too thrilled to have that investment serving as a spectator on Sundays.
Favre, 41, has struggled in his 20th and final (we think) NFL season. He has thrown a league-high 17 interceptions and is second-to-last with a 69.8 passer rating. At times, Favre has appeared to be a guy carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders.
But that could change with Frazier now in charge and it could especially change if Favre is allowed a bigger role in the offensive meetings. Remember, a complaint of every veteran quarterback who played for Childress was that their input wasn’t welcomed. Frazier, with Darrell Bevell certainly remaining as his offensive coordinator, likely will have a far different approach.
As for the feeling that the Vikings should get a look at Tarvaris Jackson, keep in mind the team has had plenty of time to observe Jackson in the past. Could it help Jackson’s cause to run an offense that doesn’t have Childress at the helm? Perhaps. But once a new collective bargaining agreement is in place Jackson could stand to walk as an unrestricted free agent.
To suggest he is the Vikings quarterback of the future is likely not true. Joe Webb is the third quarterback but there were certain members of the front office who weren’t too happy when Childress decided Webb should remain at quarterback after he was drafted as a wide receiver.
Favre is unlikely to walk away now that a coaching change has been made and almost certainly will be in the same spot Sunday that he has been this season. Starting at quarterback for the Vikings.
I think, without a doubt, TJack gets some playing time now. They need to see what they have at QB next year, and if they want to keep it. But Favre is not going away. Frazier needs to see what they have everywhere else on offenses besides QB. And I doubt Frazier thinks TJack is the kind of game manager that will get things going enough to see what else is still going for him. I mean, remember, TJack is Childress’s project, not Frazier’s!
As I said last week
when we were talking about tossing Childress. Do you really think a new coach walking in off the street would seriously consider TJ a starting QB? I don’t think anyone would.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I know. it just seems weird to me that there are people here who know that TJack is Chilly’s project, yet somehow think Frazier is more likely to go with him over Favre that Chilly was!
Does Not Compute. People need to think things through a little deeper here IMO.
I actually see Frazier going with him less
As he may have already removed him in his head as an option next year. Maybe Wilf wants to see what TJ can do so if Frazier isn’t HC next year he has an idea. Honeslty though I don’t see it happening and I would let Frazier do what ever he needed to do to win so I could evaluate him as a head coach.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I don't see TJ getting a shot either
Like puddnhead said, he was Chilly’s project. Childress saw firsthand what TJ did to end the ’08 season, yet begged Favre to come to Minnesota anyway. That shows that even Chilly more or less gave up on him.
Now that Brad Childress is gone, the BCS needs to follow.
Kevin Siefert jsut put it quiet bluntly in his blog
I’m stunned at how many people are hoping/believing that quarterback Brett Favre will follow Childress out the door. (Favre said Sunday that he would re-evaluate his future after a 31-3 loss to the Green Bay Packers). Many of you are clamoring for Frazier to bench Favre and give backup Tarvaris Jackson a chance. Come on. The only coach in the NFL who considered Jackson a viable long-term starter got fired Monday. Do you really think Frazier’s first decision as a head coach will be to put his career in Jackson’s hands?
the best coaching move he could make is
to find a way to diplomatically play both brett favre AND tarvaris jackson and have everyone feel good about it. that would show that he can handle difficult circumstances and personality dynamics. it would also show that he is looking at the players with an eye on the future and is willing to try something different from what isn’t working…..imo.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
and i think that is what happens. But the devil is in the details: how to do both.
I think maybe Frazier announces during the week (maybe not this week, but some week), that Favre will be starting, but that he wants to also get Tjack in the game at some point for an eye towards next year. To defuse the situation in case the move is made when Favre’s not playing well. And also of course talk to Brett & TJack before announcing that, so he’s not caught off guard.
That’s how I’d do it.
i think favre would be totally on board with that, too.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
1-2-3
In the long run it will not matter. I do not see BF holding up with this line. TJ has shown that he is the anti-BF very injury prone that keeps him off the field. We could be down to WEB by default before you know it. Not hoping for it, just saying.
I agree..
The one knock I have on Tarvaris is he cant stay on the field…
Well, I guess I just saw TJack playing either way (if Chilly stayed or went). Unless he still does not play at all … it will be an unaswered question whether its more or less.
Honestly I think you need to give Frasier a real shot at teh job
You can’t handicap him with TJ. Honestly a head coach is much more important to figure out than a QB who’s been second strnig for the last five years.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
i won't judge frazier so much on wins-losses.
but change in attitude, competitiveness and execution by the players. and by the game management, gameplanning and playcalling. i would be more impressed if he can get some bench players more snaps and have those players spark some firey play.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
that's actually my same point
we need to balance the two tasks of evaluating TJack and evaluating Frazier. Can’t really objectively evaluate Frazier if you have TJack in there fromthe get-go.
Great point! People seem to forget that Jackson was Childress’ project. I’m sure aside from Childress, there are a whole lot of believers.
by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
It would indeed be interesting...
I have to admit I’m intrigued to see what the Vikings offense would look like if Brett Favre was in charge of preparing the offensive plays for the week. Maybe that’s just what we’ll see. Frasier could do worse than say to Brett, “Okay, it’s your offense now. What do you suggest we do to beat the Redskins?”
Might make for a very interesting game next Sunday.
Favre is starting
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 22, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Congrats i guess
I have a ton of respect for Frazier, hopefully you’ll get some good turnaround from the team. Best of luck going forward.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
“YOU’RE FIRED”
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“WWWWHHHAAAATTTT?”
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“YEA, THE PLAN WORKED LIKE A CHARM”
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“DON’T LOOK AT ME….I DIDN’T DO NUTTIN’ WRONG”
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Have mercy on us
And never post that many photos again. EVER
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
time to upgrade that 14.4 modem?
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
No
It’s just really annoying and I’m pretty sure against terms of use.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
sorry to annoy you....but what terms of service?
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Oh shut up.
Nothing wrong with the images.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Nov 22, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Eat a fat one.
Don’t tell me to shut up.
I find that massive wall of irrelevant photos annoying, I’m entitled to my opinion. Moving on….
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
you must be the only one here that is pissed the morning chilly got canned.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Nope, quite happy.
Like I said, I highly dislike when people post a bunch of enormous photos for seemingly no reason. That is my opinion. You don’t have to like it, but I am not going to fuel the fire so lets just move on, ok?
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'm fine
I just don’t respond well when people tell me to “Shut up” after expressing my opinion. Lets just drop it and talk about our good news today, agreed?
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Double agree
We used to have some respect for each other. lately some newbies come inthinking this is a bashing pole for them to take liberties with.
Just come in, introduce yourself. Respect opinions and have fun with friends.
Nuff saud on that
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
relax is there really a reason to be attacking people?
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
don't be silly, grime.....where is llv?
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
i was trying to be relevant...
donald trump “you’re fired”….he is supposed to be zygi.
colonel klink “what?”…..well, that should be obvious (it’s supposed to be chilly).
hogan and the guys “plan worked like a charm”…that’s bratt, percy, et al.
and o.j. “don’t look at me”…..that’s right, don’t look at it if you don’t like it !!!
maybe you just didn’t get the references, maybe it wasn’t clever enuf….either way, i posted my own satirical opinion….cuz, as you say, i’m entitled to…
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I thought they were pretty clever Jethro
But as a fan of all the commentor’s involved in this little mini saga I’ll shut up.
nice..
and nice love the pics, too!
(for me, really loooooong text posts annoy me more than a few pics.. but that could just be A.D.D.)
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Nov 22, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
On the First Day of Cheesemas...
On This Day let us give thanks to our green and yellow brothers by the purchase of cheese, preferably originating from the place called Wis-con-sin. Yellow or white, nothing too expensive…
Yea, t’was only yesterday that we passed through the lowest barbecue pits of fan-hell, hearing the raucous titters of drunk and disorderly Packer fans, besotted with beer, cheese and pride, as our beloved Vikings verily did get their generous rumps, so publicly displayed, paddled by a ten-foot twelve-by-two.
And so it was that the Childress finally was banished from the land, and a new prince appointed by His CEO on-high, the Ziggy. And the new prince was dubbed “Leslie Nielsen,” er, Leslie Frasier. And it was interim-good. And fan expectations were raised on high and waved in celebration, much like a flag. And even The Childress received his thanks in a Hallmark email card, and it was prefabricated-good.
Let us hope now, o brothers, that there is a Second Day of Cheesemas wherein other embarrassments of the Chill One are banished to elder-care. He known as The Berrian may now get the sacking he should have got last year, and noble Brett can now conclude a career just short of 300 with better pride. In sooth, if the counting be true, he had passed 300 anyway…
Other healthy changes are in the offing, but leave that to the wisdom of the new prince. But on This Day, I shall make a Special Trip to the grocery store and purchase a bit of cheese, which may be enjoyed on crackers, toasted on bread, or simply eaten by itself. Let it be known forthwith that thou shouldst not keep cheese too long, lest it become moldy, and not so good.
Let us in future celebrate Cheesemas by keeping our own cheese reasonably fresh.
I nominate jimbo
for poet laureate of DN.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
Great!
Finally His reign Of terror Is Over He Is Gone Forever!
by Vikings For Life on Nov 22, 2010 12:35 PM CST reply actions
From a Vikings fan.
No shit.
Proud contributor to Daily Norseman and SB Nation Minnesota
by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Gardy MOY. Feel great disturbance in Force. As if millions of Internet cranks cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced." -BatGirl
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 22, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks to the nice visitors
who have supported and wished us well. Class act guys. Thanks.
These are not trolls but decent fans. Bravo
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
As a Vikings fan and former Childress supporter
I feel like it was just time. He did a hell of a lot of good for this team. But ultimately, it wasn’t enough.
The injuries this year really hurt, but overall, he just didn’t do well enough.
The culmination of ineptetude?
I saw a Packer fan in front of me with a SAVE CHILLY sign when the 4th Q. chant went up. Yup, time to go buddy.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 12:44 PM CST reply actions
Narby
Does this mean that Leslie Frazier is no longer in consideration for the Gopher HC position???
We will see if the defense becomes more aggressive under Frazier’s control They have not been blitzing or forcing enough TO’s so let’s see if something changes there. He is getting a chance to earn a HC job, much like Jason Garrett, good for him.
Finally ...
Christmas has come early ….
by VikinginCalifornia on Nov 22, 2010 12:47 PM CST reply actions
Got the "news" text on my phone while taking my Mom t the doctors office
Damn near did a happy dance in the waiting room. Comment from a guy wearing a Cowboys jersey….’Congratulations!". lol
THANK YOU ZIGY!!!!!!!
Thank you for listening and taking notice!
Dysfunctional Family - Family in disarray. Fractured and lack of communication of family. Minnesota Vikings 2010 season surpassing any nightmare brought upon by the 1989 aquisition of Herschel Walker or the 2005 Love Boat Scandal on Lake Minnetonka.
Good first step...
but we still need these frickin prima donnas called NFL players to show up for work every Sunday and get it done on the field.
Chilly – Thanks for a memorable few seasons! Best of luck!
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
by DaRange on Nov 22, 2010 12:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Statement from Chilly, per Access Vikings
The Vikings website posted a statement from Childress that read: “The past five years have been a tremendous experience for my family and I as the head coach of the Minnesota Vikings. I have a great respect for the players and coaches who I have worked with and for their dedication to each other and to the organization. I am proud of our accomplishments and believe the foundation of this football team is stronger today than when I became head coach in 2006. I appreciate the opportunity that Zygi, Mark, and the whole Wilf family afforded me and wish them success as they move forward.”
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 12:57 PM CST reply actions
I hated Childress as a coach
but I don’t wish ill on anyone well except for a stray Zamboni slaying or two… I hope he does well with his future and sometime in the near future finds his new job is the OC for Green Bay.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I think Childress has a bright future
Wall-mart is always looking for managers with his personality.
EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Zygi firing Chilly
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
by free7694 on Nov 22, 2010 1:06 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Nice
Rec’d!
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly
I feel a little bit bad for Childress, even though he had this coming for a long time. That’s still hilarious though!
I AM VIKING, HEAR ME ROAR!!!
If you fired me
and paid me $6.5 million in severance to sit on my butt….something tells me I’d be just fine.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Kevin Seifert sums up why Childress failed, perfectly.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Nov 22, 2010 1:20 PM CST reply actions
Five years ago, the article states -
Owner Zygi Wilf triumphantly lauded Childress as a disciplinarian who would restore order to the franchise both on and off the field. “Brad Childress is a winner,” Wilf famously said.
I quess today it would me more like, “Brad Childress is a weiner!”
Seifert nailed it here
If I had to sum up why Childress failed in Minnesota, my tight answer would include those two reasons. He had a distant relationship at best with players, feuding with most key veterans at one point or another. And his schemes were uninspiring and rigid, routinely minimizing the skills of talented players.
Few coaches bring both of those disparate skills to the table, but having one can usually minimize the need for the other. You can inspire players to excel by reaching them personally, or you can put them in position to play well with smart schemes that maximize their skills.
Childress, however, did neither on a consistent basis. It’s true that his teams won consecutive NFC North titles, something that hadn’t happened in Minnesota since 1977-78. But starting with his first season and continuing through those title years, we heard the same complaints about his program.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
It's about time
It should’ve happened after the Arizona game, even though we won. However, it did require me to change my sig…
Now that Brad Childress is gone, the BCS needs to follow.
Nah Nah Nah Nah, Nah Nah Nah Nah
HEY HEY HEY, GOOOOOD BYYYYEEEEE CHILDRESS!!!!!
Childress Record
I didn’t realize that his record against the pack was 3-9. That includes the two wins last year.
What about their losing streak
on the road? Pretty bad as well.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
Nearly 13 months and counting since our last road win.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 22, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Lets not forget about
his feud with Belicheck for no reason at all that ALWAYS ends with Chilly (and thus the Vikes) holding the short straw.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
That all changes this Sunday
And I get to witness it first hand. Looking forward to seeing Brett and AD and the new and improved Vikings under Coach Frazier
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
I have to say
I’m a little more pumped about seeing this game now that Chilly has been canned. At least I know the dynamic on the sideline between players and the coaching staff will be different …. for better or worse is TBD but I don’t see how the players won’t use this as a rallying cry and pull a road win out of their ass
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
13 months
that is Stekelesque!
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
If that
Keeps happening then maybe we have to play the lions on a neutral field to decide who can finally win one on the road.
Perhaps they could play at Wrigley field
they may need only one end zone
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
Side note
Scene: Comfort Inn and Suites, 5 blocks from the Dome. 10:00AM breakfast. After closing down the free buffet, two poorly groomed individuals bring up large bags and sweep the fruit bar into them. They were wearing Packer jerseys. You can’t even make that shit up. A fan base personified.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 1:41 PM CST reply actions
thanks, chilly
now get the fudge out.
by the magic skol bus on Nov 22, 2010 1:44 PM CST reply actions
so does this mean we will actually win a road game next week?
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
~Mark Twain
I came over here to see what you guys had to say about this. No one can say Viking fans aren’t passionate about their beloved team. Over 400 posts in less than three hours on a Monday afternoon?
Good luck finding a coach worthy of your fan base, getting a new stadium and keeping the Vikings where they belong.
back-handed complimenting at it’s best…
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Nov 22, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
no way, drew-dat is cool. take his words at face value.
besides, he’s got that nice avatar of bob zimmerman, that nice kid from the range.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Thanks jethrophet. I'll get your gratuity check in the mail ASAP.
ArizonaVikingsFan can take my comment however he wants, but most real NFL fans think the idea of the Vikings being anywhere except Minnesota is screwed up. In 2005, after the Superdome was heavily damaged, Saints fans had to worry about the team moving to San Antonio in addition to all the other crap that was going on. I don’t wish that anxiety on any team’s fans.
Oddly enough, Red McCombs played a significant role in the effort to move the Saints right after he sold the Vikings because he didn’t get the new stadium he wanted. There was a shiny new stadium in San Antonio and he was itching to have an NFL franchise in his hometown. If he had gotten his way, it’s safe to say that either the Vikings or Saints would now be playing in the Alamodome. So Saints and Vikings fans have something in common afterall. I think McCombs is an overly rich asshole. I assume most Viking fans do also.
KFAN is mentioning that Parcells may come in as GM
Wilf has at least contacted him anyhow.
Just dont get it..
I just dont get why some of you have such hatred towards Tavaris? Can someone please explain why some of you all are so convinced he cannot play in this league?
To me
it is because after all of this time, the man STILL cannot decipher a defense and looks lost on blitzes.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
How do you know that?
Based on his play as a rookie or 2nd year player? I think he did well in 2008..
Jonny
I applaud the kid for his professionalism. We could have a chance to rotate him and Webb at the #3 spot and star the compitition now.
While working with a HS staff of former pros and D1 players I learned a lot about what recruiters and pro scouts look for. I’m no specialist but talked to some good QB prospects and the coaches.
T-Jax has had ops but shows no consistancy. I saw him against Atlanta 2 years back and he looked great! Then looked like a frightened boy against Phillys. blitz.
At camp I practiced some of the tips. Read the eyes and body language. TJ looked fazed when he had to check for a 2nd or 3rd option to throw to. Webb, on the other hand threw some balls in traffic and stood in the pocket with poise B4 making a choice to run. the kid got up from mistakes and had a F-it attitude and went to the huddle with gusto. Is he ready. ?
Just as much as TJ was in his second year. Is he the answer? I would not bank on it and look to draft or sign some help til we know for sure. Now is a good time to test both guys. Try them in a few series where if the legs are needed we have them in there. I saw about 5 plays where TJ or Webb could have run and picked up yard. BF could have too and can’t figure why he wouldn’t slide for a shot 3-5 yards and get the 1st down.
Time to see what we have for next
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Because of his first two years.
His 2008 stint at the end after Gus went out was very good, but people have already wiped the 2008 season from their minds.
He's got skills but.....
As Jepp said, he has difficulty seeing the entire field and his accuracy is so inconsistent. Don’t you remember some of those passes a couple of years ago where the reciever was wide open and he would just muff the throw. He’s a QB and gets paid to play catch with the receivers. That and he panicks in pressure situations. To his credit, when he’s playing well, he’s great. Just not sure he’s the guy, especially when #4 is on the team. I say let Brett play under Frazier and see what happens. If we see no improvement in the team under Frazier, give TJ a shot.
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
Keywords a couple years ago..
Up until the past few years..YOU NEVER EVER EVER STARTED A ROOKIE QB IN THE NFL..
??? really. what about elway and marino?
maybe it’s not the norm, but it is still not the norm. only the best prospects on the crappiest teams really seem to get the chance.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
no, jonny piff said....
Up until the past few years..YOU NEVER EVER EVER STARTED A ROOKIE QB IN THE NFL.
bradford is a rookie this year….and he is also the exception, not the rule.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Because I've watched him
and I’m not being a smart ass here either. He has shown no improvement except he stopped throwing interceptions in his second year by throwing the ball lower. Which leads to his infamous shoe string tosses. He has poor vision, doesn’t stay in teh pocket just plain bad fundementals. I saw it last year when he was playing in blow outs. His accuracy is poor as well, and you are not going to play in a WCO with a passer that has no accuracy.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
And tell me how well the 20yr vet has played this year?
Favre has been one of the most inaccurate passers in the history of the game through out his career…
Your right and I wouldn't want him as my QB either
However, I would be interested in Kolb, Luck, Mallet maybe. I’m not going to grab an aging vet to hope I can eke two more years out of him. Minnesota needs a franchise QB. We need him badly hopefully we’ll never be this close to teh first round pick again and we can use this to our advantage.
Also there is a proven upside to Favre that TJ most certainly doe not have.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Favre has no upside anymore Im sorry..
We have already seen Favre at his best and that was last year..It dosnt get any better my friend..He had a phenomenal year last year..
The thing is
How do we know if it was because of the play calling/ situation. Or if he really is done. If they change things up and he still plays bad, then make the change and see what Tjack can do. Frazier has earned the right to see if he can do any better with the same cast of characters.
I would agree on that
We are now at a point to find a way to take a look at both Jax and Webb. Not as starters but get them in some action. Forget OTA’s, camp and pre-season. We have chance to give these guys a chance to play some series and evaluate in a game setting.
that may mean listingJax as #3 a couple games to give Webb a look. Then see if T-jax has learned anything the last two years.
Then you have a jump on things. do we go with one of them and draft a QB or do we have to pull out the checkbook for an established player
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
agreeing with jonny on we have seen the best of BF
He is not coming back and barring a 6-0 finish we are in a situation to evaluate our QB’s for next year now.
PS I am still holding onto that spec of hope that we can go 6-0 and pull off the miracle.
I may be blinded by my loyalty but, I said i would not give up til it statisticly is over,a guy can dream. How glorious to see Leslie fire this team up and pull it off
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Kolb
Young, good arm, smart, mobile. Yes he will cost a number one, but from were we will pick, who will be left?
Trade Allen for him, and try and pick up a 5th as well.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
no way, trade allen for a 1st rounder and a starting o-lineman
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I'm not sure
But I’m pretty sure the Vikings got Allen for a 2nd rounder back when he was performing at a much higher level at a much lower salary than it is now. You’d be lucky to get a late 3rd rounder for him.
Nevermind
a first and two thirds. Ouch. Still, I doubt any team would give up anything above a 4th round for him, let alone a starting-level QB or O-lineman. Sorry to be contrarian, but it just gets on my nerves when fans have this weird fantasy that their underperforming overpaid players could somehow be traded for something valuable.
Think Philly will part with Kolb-be nice
What if Vick is a FA?
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
No offense but have you watched him? He just looks like a deer in the headlights out there. The game just appears to fast for him. He doesn’t appear to be able to read defenses very well, his awareness in the pocket isn’t very good (despite his athleticism), and he’s inaccurate (probably the worst attribute to possess in a WCO).
by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
How do people expect?
I rookie qb from a small division 2 school to come into the NFL and light it up is confusing to me….I blame Brad fro trying to bring him along to fast..Mark my words Tavaris is solid starter in the NFL..If he gets his chance and is terrible I will be the 1st to say I am wrong..Tavaris is a great guy and very humble..
I rookie qb from a small division 2 school to come into the NFL and light it up is confusing to me….I blame Brad fro trying to bring him along to fast.
exactly, and aaaaallllll of the other qb drama that followed is also because of chilly’s horrible handling of his first move as a head coach….to trade up for his “diamond in the rough”. if he would have made the correct decision and let an unproven div.2 qb fall to him in the draft, and then simply groom him as a 3rd stringer for a few years…then we NEVER would have gotten into the qb mess that instigated the whole bratt flavor saga. and we might actually be in a better position today.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
we picked him at the end of the 2nd round. how high could he have been?
and taking a guy that is that unknown at about the 60th pick is a gamble all the time.
the point is that chilly didn’t groom him. he handled it poorly, and we are still suffering.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
The fact is
Until he starts this year or next and plays in real game situations no one really knows how he has progressed..
True
but I still saw stuff in pre-season that didn’t show that he progressed. He was not thrown in. He was given quite a bit of starting experience. Why not give Webb the same opportunites -that is if we are mathematicly eliminated.
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
i'm all for playing t-jack and leaving him in there through mistakes,
so he can get some extended time and hopefully learn from playing the speed of live play (like ALL other starting qb’s have had to do). plus, i want to see more designed roll-outs, and not try to force him to stay in a drop back pocket. he seems to have some difficulty with that, especially with the blitz and our krappy o-line protection, and he can move well, so use his strengths…his legs.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
i did. we agree for the most part. but we are in this mess now BECAUSE of chilly.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
It is fair
to contemplate how different T-Jack might have been in an offense less curtailed than Chilly’s KAO.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Many QB's are picked up by the Draft
A whole lot of them are touted. Ryan Leaf was touted and failed Leinhart the same thing. Some people just are not NFL quality. TJ was not that good to start, and I didn’t see many changes in his mechanics when I saw him in garbage time last year. It didn’t seem like they spent a lot of time on his mechanics and instead tried to get him to understand the game better. However, even in the final minutes of games his judgements did not always impress me. Albiet I’m not a talent scout and I do not have a lot of tape to watch on him.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
JP - What gives?
Why the lovefest for TJ? I mean he’s OK and he’s a good guy, but why are you backing him so strongly? Do you know him personally or something?
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
so, tell us....how pissed off is he about the chilly and favre business that kept him sidelined?
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
so, tell us....how pissed off is he about the chilly and favre business that kept him sidelined?
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Im not the guy to put words in other peoples mouths...
In my opinion he has been treated very unfairly by Childress..How do you think it affects a young guys confidence when your told your the starter 2 yrs in a row coming into a season? Then the rug is pulled out from under you…?
I agree with you 100%
Which is a reason I have wanted the leprechaun fired for the last two years. If your players can’t trust you then who can? I thought it was telling what Rose sated after he left as well. At least in New York I know where I stand.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
i've tooted that horn many times here on the DN. i think it stinks that chilly did that.
please go tell t-jack that there are people here who support him and want him to get his fair shot. and that i think that he has handled himself well in spite of the position he was placed in….and yanked from….and placed in….and yanked from again.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Again...
T-jax is a class kid. He handled all this Favre stuff well. he faced the boo’s. I like the kid but not as convinced he is any better than Webb could be given the games TJ did get a chance in.
We don’t know. We need a back up plan. It could be we have 2 careerback ups
Then again….
Lots of questions to be answered
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
That's cool
I’d like to see what he could do with this talent….I really do. I think he was real close to getting a start when Favre broke his ankle in two places. Right now I don’t see him getting a shot until either Favre is really hurt or he gets benched, which I think is a distinct possibility if he doesn’t turn it around next weekend and if for no other reason than for Frazier to send a message that this his “his” team,
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
3SBRings4GB
You know, there’s a reason that that idiotic picture of your stupid, gloating, never-won-anything quarterback disappeared the last time you posted it.
It has disappeared again. For the same reason.
Considering this your warning against it appearing a third time.
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by Christopher Gates on Nov 22, 2010 2:10 PM CST reply actions
Consider, not considering
Either way, you’ve been warned.
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by Christopher Gates on Nov 22, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Ironically,
the other QB in that picture was once referred to by Vikings fans as GB’s stupid, gloating QB. Except he has won something.
How can you call Rodgers a stupid, gloating QB when this was a great victory for him personally? For three years he had to deal with the Favre v. Rodgers debate, especially when Favre beat him twice last year. The win yesterday had to feel pretty good, just as Favre’s win in Lambeau had to feel pretty good last year. You chastise Packers fans for hurling insults at Favre and yet here you are, slinging with the best of them. I know, I know…“my house, my rules.” Apparently the rule book ignored hypocrisy.
Not that I condone posting that picture over here. Rubbing in a victory only leads to it coming back ten-fold the next time around. Plus, it’s stupid. Just don’t insult my QB for celebrating a victory that is worth celebrating.
by Matt Capelle on Nov 22, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Very eloquently and intelligently put
However, it will fall on deaf ears if history repeats itself.
I like Hamburgers!
He finally beat him, when he is in his prime and the other one is 41 years old and playing hurt.
Something to be very proud of.
by bf4mvp on Nov 22, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a cop out argument
You can’t belittle his ability when it suits your purpose and then give him accolades when he performs. Considering your nickname i can only assume you believe he is not washed up.
I like Hamburgers!
Hey AR has a lot of talent you'd be stupid not to see it.
Brett Favre has been in the league 20 years and an icon of football you’d be just as stupid not to see that.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
And I forgot to mention,
One is/was playing for a team that had pretty much packed in for the season.
But you can tout his ability when it suits your purpose?
This is the same “uber” talented guy who got his ass handed to him twice last year by a 40 y/o QB who had recent arm surgery right?
The same “uber” talented guy who handed a playoff win to the Cardinals last year right?
Just checkin because last I checked he sounds a lot like the 41 y/o QB on our team…except no ring.
That's fine
I stated quite early on in this thread that if people were here to discuss Brad Childress, that was fine, and that if they were just here to rub it in that that was pretty much NOT fine.
Good for Aaron Rodgers. His team actually won a football game. He now has a 3-3 career record against the Minnesota Vikings. Boy, he’s awesome.
And wow, he finally had a regular season game where he threw four touchdown passes. He’s incredible. . .after all, it only took him six NFL seasons, since he spent three seasons sitting behind a guy that, according to all the people that cheered him for a decade and a half, sucked then, sucked now, has always sucked, and is single-handedly responsible for every bad loss Green Bay has had over the last two decades.
I’m tired of people taking a look at this site and saying to themselves, “HEY, LOOK, A VIKINGS SITE! LET’S GO CELEBRATE OUR VICTORY OVER THERE!” Screw that guy and screw anybody with the same mindset that he has.
And, believe me. . .even with what I just said about Aaron Rodgers, I showed him markedly more respect than 99% of the Green Bay fan base has shown to our starting quarterback over the last two or three seasons.
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by Christopher Gates on Nov 22, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
True
But Aaron Rodgers didn’t give your team it’s first Super Bowl win in 30 years and then orchestrate his way onto his former teams biggest rival. You think colts fans will cheer Manning if he retires and end up on the Patriots? Or Brady to the Jets? It’s not simply a case of “I HATE EVERY MINNESOTA QB.” There is a sense of betrayal. And yes, some fans will take it too far and denounce Favre and all that he’s done. But you can’t fault the entire fan base for the actions of a few. But, then again, it is so much easier for you to make your arguments when dealing with generalizations and stereotypes.
Also, you rip on Packers fans for quickly turning their backs on Favre? How about Minnesota fans for flip-flopping their opinions of #4 when he suddenly put on a purple jersey. For decades this fanbase has claimed that he was old, terrible, not any good, etc…All of this hatred seemed to evaporate when he was on your team. You want to talk about fickle? Look at your fellow fans before insulting others.
I get you being pissed about Packers fans celebrating over here. It’s childish and low and that’s why there is a GB SN blog. But seriously, being an admin generally means to try and do your job without a massive bias. I get it: you are emotionally invested in your team and I applaud you for that. Nothing worse than a fair-weather fan. But you can’t insult an entire fanbase because one member got your panties in a bind. If that were true, I would have already assumed that everyone here is a tool, which I know isn’t the case.
Also, you still trying to make Aaron Rodgers seem mediocre is simply foolish. The guy has thrown for over 4,000 yards in his first two seasons as a starter and is on pace to make it three years in a row. The guy has a 26-16 record as a starter (which was pointed out as beeing eerily similar to #4) and took his team to the playoffs in his second year and is poised to do so again. The guy is elite and will only get better. Don’t get pissed because your ex-coach didn’t have the foresight to plan ahead at the most important position in the game.
by Matt Capelle on Nov 22, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Pardon me for having a "massive bias"
But if I didn’t have a “massive bias” towards the Minnesota Vikings, I probably wouldn’t be part of this site in the first place. I know, it probably seems kind of weird to have a Minnesota Viking fan running the internet’s biggest and best site about the Minnesota Vikings, but life can be kind of weird sometimes, I guess.
Having said that. . .for 27 seasons (counting this one), I’ve had to listen to Green Bay Packer fans constantly and consistently denigrate the Minnesota Vikings. Everyone from the team to the coaches to the players to the fans and everybody in between. From Adrian Peterson to Randy Moss and Cris Carter to Daunte Culpepper to John Randle to Anthony Carter and on and on and on. Brain-dead assholes that, for some reason, think this franchise is called the “Queens” or the “Viqueens” or the “Biqueens,” because they have the intelligence level of a mentally-handicapped second grader.
I don’t make these assessments based on “one member” of that fan base. I’ve had 27 seasons of listening to this crap. Everybody wants to spew all these lies and all this garbage about how knowledgeable and respectful Packer fans are. What a load of absolute crap. There are no more disrespectful fans in the National Football League, largely because so many of them are under the impression that we’re supposed to be impressed by crap that happened back when their grandfathers were nothing more than a twinkle in their great-grandfather’s eyes.
If you or anyone else from your fan base wants to try to walk into our house and demand respect for your team or for one of your players, you’re barking up the wrong tree.
And, again, even with the words printed above there, I still show the Packers and their fans a great deal more respect than they show us. . .and I sure as hell don’t go into your house and crap on the carpet like so many of your fans feel they have the right to do here.
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by Christopher Gates on Nov 22, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well probably the dumbest part is that no one knows that Rodgers is gloating in that photo. If you actually look closely it looked like Favre was smirking too. Someone could have easily said something to get a chuckle out of both, no? I was disappointed 3rings4GB posted that because if anything, it just further cements the feeling among Vikings fans that Rodgers is “arrogant” and this and that, when he’s actually a really humble, down to earth guy.
by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
yeah I thought that was a pretty shaky pic as well
But I will say this it does look pretty f’n funny. Rodgers is like GOTCHA! Favre is like see you in the hall! NOT!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Hahhahha I love you guys already
Some of this stuff seriously has me laughing out loud…I truly admire the passion you guys and gals have for the Vikings…
Just out of curiosity.... do you guys think now that Chilly is gone
maybe we’ll convert Webb into a WR?
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
~Mark Twain
Best move for Webb
He is not a QB IMO. But hell, being a arm chair QB it always good to be the king.
So...
I got accused of being a racist on twitter because I compared Leslie Frazier to Tony Dungy. What the hell?
by PurplePeopleEaters on Nov 22, 2010 2:27 PM CST reply actions
it's all in the name....."twitter"....some people take that literally.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Honestly now that Childress is gone Frazier might want to make a statement
and honestly the statement I would make would be firing Berrian and benching Allen for a half while playing Robinson or the new guy. Firing Berrian however as the weakest and most expensive peice in a failing receiving core I think is a good idea. If you drop balls you will be replaced.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
sidney rice dropped some balls yesterday....and he dropped the ball on his surgery too.
does that mean you want to get rid of sidney rice?
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Just curious as to what balls Sid dropped.
I was at the game and didn’t see any. What I DID see was BF miss Sid by a few yards on a couple routes. Trust me. I was there. The difference in Sid Rice to every guy except Harvin on our WR crops is astounding.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
I was there aswell
I saw Favre trying to force the ball to Sid on several occasions…Do I blame him no…
2 that i recall (although i was being sarcastic to grime disgust for berrian).
the first ball thrown to sid was down the left sideline, wide open, went right through sid’s hands.
the second i recall was a slant/crossing route the sid let bounce right off his chest.
he normally would catch those.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Guess I didn't see/don't remember those
But damn the difference is clear between Sid Rice, and pretty much every other WR on the Vikes besides Percy.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I would get rid of Rice
But it would be beacuase he’s an injury liability. He’s played exactly one year out of four healthy.
As for why I would get rid of Berrian the man makes the most outof any of our receiving core, and has some of the least attractive numbers. I don’t think you can justify making the money if you don’t make the plays as well.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
that's right...cuze have hank baskett to step in, eh?
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
i just love the way that sounded...
Zygi and Frazier will adress the media
..aaahh..as refreshing as ice cold beer at 5:01pm on a friday..(. even tho i’m still at work then…)
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Nov 22, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Andy Williams sings my feelings!
OH, IT’S THE MOST WONDERFUL TIME OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is how I'm feeling right now..
Even if it’s too late. I’m all :)’s
☠★☪My dream, is to see the Minnesota Vi♛s win a superbowl. USA- the land were dreams come true. ☀ ツ This is our ۩۩house۩
by UnBannedVikingholic on Nov 22, 2010 2:50 PM CST reply actions
As a non-Vikings fan
This sounds like a good move for Minnesota, and I’m happy Frazier gets a shot at it, he’s a good guy. Childress is kind of a weird dude and probably doesn’t have the right personality to be a head coach. Depending on your record, you guys might have a chance at drafting Cam Newton (projected in 10-20 slot).
If he's not in jail for taking money to play ball...
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I wonder if Jackson will be put in games that are out of reach in the third quarter.
by donniethelion on Nov 22, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
hopefully they will be out of reach in our favor now!
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Nov 22, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Ofcourse he will..
Until he gives up..Which is highly unlikely
I haven't seen this much happiness since
We finally got rid of Jim Haslett in 2005. (Which was 2 years too late but it was done) The city went nuts and finally said: Thank God! I was so glad to be rid of that horrible coach just like ya’ll are celebrating finally getting rid of Childress. Late is better than never.
You guys are very passionate about your team. This is the first step in the positive direction.
A team with loads of talent in need of the “Right Coach”
Well Haslett was much worse than Childress in his own way
He should have been ridin out on a rail for what he did to the Saints.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Agreed Grime
Haslett was a 1 year wonder and totally dismantled everything from then on. He had so much man love for Aaron Brooks….(The guy with great physical talent with zero brains.
Haslett had talent on the team but the difference was: Individual talent and not team players
Frazier looks good in a suit and tie :0)
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
~Mark Twain
…and perhaps an ascot and walking cane..
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Nov 22, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Are you listening to KFAN?
I really like what Frazier is saying and what his focus is currently and rightfully so it’s on the Redskins. He said “we have great fans and they deserve better” or something like that.
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
i am watching the presser on Vikings.com , he sounds awesome :0)
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
~Mark Twain
Some of us said last year....
Would have won the superbowl!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I pulled his bio online - interesting
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/sports/leslie-frazier-vikings-coach-bio-nov-22-2010
Didn’t realize he had two Super Bowl rings.
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
I think the group is going to be loose from here on out....
might translate into Ws and a lower draft pick, though.
I don't care if that happens.
At least we’d be winning. Plus, we might still get a solid QB in the draft regardless where our pick ends up.
Now that Brad Childress is gone, the BCS needs to follow.
Holy crap, a Head Coach who speaks with some eloquence.
Chilly always seemed like he was thinking of something else when he spoke.
Good I want our coach to have some attitude.
Plus if he can keep the press from Wilf he’s halfway into his job…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
about as much as a broken glass enema.
Frasier was much better.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
LESLIE FRAZIER INTERVIEW
The guy is night and day when compared to Chilly. He genuinely seems concerned and doesn’t gives us rehashed, over used responses.
He did really well
Now we need to see if it can translate into something better on the field.
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
He can't do much worse.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
"I am of the belief that Brett Favre is gonna get going and those turnovers are gonna come down"
yep that def. sounds like T_J will be starting at some point ….
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
~Mark Twain
by meno on Nov 22, 2010 3:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Holy crap
THAT is what it’s like to get direct answers from a coach instead of half-speak psychobabble.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 3:21 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
i know ... no enlightened answers damn that was wow
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
~Mark Twain
commentary...HAHAHAHA....maybe he'll team up with matt millen.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
i think bruschi would end up punching him on set.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
He might get a second-tier college job
Other than that, it will be old friends doing him a favor by handing him some assistant job.
by Bodysuit Man on Nov 22, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
extenze.....he already is a spokeman for another competitor...
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I'll never feel sorry for a millionaire...
…and I’ve always wondered how guys like Childress or the Mangenius can earn the respect of elite athletes.
by All'Aboard'The'Purple'Love'Boat on Nov 22, 2010 3:27 PM CST reply actions
Now just think...
…if this would’ve happened the day Zygi decided NOT to waive Moss!
Yeah well, not gonna let that bring me down today,
but if we do rattle off a 6 game streak it’ll always haunt me.
Someone should've asked Frazier to sing Skol Vikings
He could’ve just joined the chorus coming from Vikings fans all over.
No you'd need to do Revenge4Chilly...
Pretty sure that one isn’t coming around this site though..
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I just hope the "deciders" get it right this time around
The fantasy is that New York Giants fan Zygi will lure Parcells away from his current job to fix things in Minnesota. That’s my fantasy anyway.
I wonder if we get a league exemption
to be 5-5. Chilly’s firing is worth AT LEAST two games, right?
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 22, 2010 3:40 PM CST reply actions
Have you ever seen a 3-7 team grab so many headlines in one year?
Between the Favre drama, the hiring of Moss, the firing of Moss, the Favre drama with broken ankles and stitches and whether he’d start or not, and now the firing of Chilly. We’re again the #1 story on Google Sports and quite humorous, objectively speaking, considering this is a Monday.
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
Not because of anything you did
They were attached to a comment that I deleted because I’m sick and tired of opposing fans coming over here to gloat.
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by Christopher Gates on Nov 22, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Feel free to delete that douche that posted up a whole fan post on how we suck.
Yay Packer fans…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Over here or over there?
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by Christopher Gates on Nov 22, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Well done on his part
Just your average, every day, typical Packer fan posting your average, every day, typical Packer fan bullshit.
What a perfect representation of the Green Bay fan base. Seriously, it’s like they built the ultimate Packer fan out of parts of lesser Packer fans and sent him to our site to do his moronic, useless victory dance.
What an utterly useless excuse for human life.
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by Christopher Gates on Nov 23, 2010 3:54 AM CST up reply actions
How much for the rose-tinted glasses?
I have been thinking about getting myself a pair and thought I would ask an obvious long time wearing about pricing options.
by Matt Capelle on Nov 23, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
cool...
Im glad I found this place..I enjoy hearing others opinions about a football team I very much enjoy…
Hate to say it but run.
Run very far very fast I used to have a woman and be able to see my shoes now I have neither? Well I mihgt have shoes not sure…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
by Grime on Nov 22, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Too late
Should have happened after the first game against The Packers. Favre is next.
Tired of crying
Favre is starting?
Fire Frazier. We need to clean house next year, this organization is a fucking joke.
Tired of crying
Today we start to rebuild
What a great feeling as a die-hard Vikings fan to hear Chilly was fired! I feel for him as a person ,but were talking football here folks.Its a shame Zigi waited so long but it is over now! I hope Frazier can salvage something of this season and come next year have us back in the race for a championship. If this team can be held together and our Q.B. situation can be resolved it is quite possible we can have a heck of a team. I have not supported Chili in any way the last 2 years as a head coach-however,i feel for him as a man and realize that although he was an awful H.C.,he is a fellow human being.I have compassion for him and his family at this time,but the Viking ship is gonna sail on .Best of luck to you and your family Mr.Childress.God bless your son who is bravely serving in our armed forces.I myself have a son who just left for basic and i know they need all our prayers.
How bout the league gives us a 3rd round pick back
they knew what Moss was pulling and it was breach of contract.
I know 3485
It was more tongue in cheek wishful thinking.
by CitrusFLViking on Nov 22, 2010 10:00 PM CST reply actions
OK, what's next?
The changing of the guard was the first step, but late…………maybe too late. Time will tell, but I suspect there are a few other issues with this football team besides Brad Childress. For starters, Bret Favre should be pulled to give the Offense a new look that allows a scrambling QB. Secondly, Frasier needs to sit down with the OC and tell him in no uncertain terms that AP MUST get more touches or you’re following in Chilly’s steps. Keeping the ball out of Favre’s hands is a step forward becasue of the year he’s having. If he get’s off to another bad start, Frasier should yank him out of there. If the next game starts to go south on the Vikings quickly…………. play the second teamers and see what you have going for next year to build on. But, playing a retiring QB who’s gone at the end of they year makes no sense…………..particularly with the year he’s having. Play TJ and see what develops. It can’t get much worse than how Favre has performed.
by jjlovesfootball on Nov 23, 2010 9:11 AM CST reply actions
And we're done here
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