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One of my favorite movies is Patton, starring George C. Scott.  Not The Last Days of Patton, that crappy remake sequel CBS made 10 or 15 years after the original classic.  Anyways, in the movie, right before the Battle of the Bulge, Gen. Patton is talking to his staff, and he says:

There's absolutely no reason for us to assume. . .that the Germans are mounting a major winter offensive.  The weather is awful and their supplies are low.  The Germans haven't mounted a winter attack since Frederick the Great.  Therefore I believe that's exactly what they're going to do.

When I went over to pick up my Dad to come over to the house and watch the game, he gets in the car and says "Son, don't ask me why, but the Vikings are going to win today.  They can't win on the road, they got a new coach, and there is no reason to believe they'll win.  Which is why they will.

It was weird, because I felt the same way.  I just knew they were going to win.  Well, I didn't know, but I had a good feeling.  Like Gen Patton and my Dad.  And when I took him home, my Dad said, "well son, it's a Beautiful Day, isn't it?  The Gophers won the pig, the Vikes beat the Redskins, and the Packers lost.  I don't know what made me happier."  A Beautiful Day indeed, Dad.

 

You love this town, even if it doesn't ring true.  You've been all over, and it's been all over you.  It's a Beautiful Day, don't let it slip away.

SMR, after the report.

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Blue Chip Stocks:

Toby Peterson, Two Headed Monster RB.  When Adrian Peterson limped off after his strong start, everybody went 'aww, CRAP!"  Except you didn't say crap, did you?  Did you?  I didn't.  Enter the Dragon, bitches.  Toby Gerhart didn't break any big runs off, but that's kind of tough to do when you're carrying 8 guys on your back.  Gerhart just wasn't going to be denied, and he seemed to get stronger as the game wore on.  Peterson, before he went out, and then Gerhart ran with abuse in their eyes.  They just took it to Washington, and although the black and white numbers of their statistics don't reflect it, it was as impressive of a running display I have seen from the Vikings this season.

Leslie Frazier, Interim Head Coach.  Minnesota played inspired almost all day long, and they played with passion.  And it was something I haven't seen from this team other than the last five minutes of the Arizona game.  I understand the old saying of 'players play and coaches coach', but coaches motivate the players, either positively or negatively.  At least for a day, Leslie Frazier motivated and lead this team...his team...to do something they haven't done in a year, and that was to win on the road.

Chris Kluwe, P.  Kluwe is becoming as reliable as K Ryan Longwell.  When Longwell comes out, like he did today, you know the FG is going to be good.  When Kluwe comes out to punt, you know he's going to boom it and give the punt coverage team the best possible chance to make a play for minimal gain.  Now, if only the punt coverage team would live up to their end of the bargain, we'd be in business.

Solid Investments:

Chad Greenway, Assassin.  A picture paints a thousand words.  But a YouTube clip is a bajillion times more awesome:

Heh.  Think someone is making a case for a contract extension?  Anthony Armstrong does.

The Entire Offensive Line.  I have a theory, and it goes something like this:  If you have two All-Pro lineman on your left side, and two guys that bust their ass but are less talented on the right side, you might get more results by running to the left when keeping it on the ground.  Former coach (and this is a large reason why he's former, if you ask me) Brad Childress didn't like this theory, and consequently the Vikings were consistently finding themselves in second and long.  Sunday, by running behind Steve Hutchinson and Bryant McKinnie, Minnesota consistently found themselves in manageable down and distance situations, and the whole playbook was open to them.  And thankfully, the 'Brad Childress section' of run right, run right, throw 10 yards short of the first down was not implemented on Sunday.  

The Entire Defensive Line:  When Kevin and Pat Williams bring heat up the middle and collapse the pocket, Jared Allen and Ray Edwards usually reap the rewards.  Backup DT Letroy Guion had a sack (from right up the middle), and Allen and DE Brian Robison also had one.  What's that?  Washington's offensive line is as bad as the Twilight saga?  I don't care, you know why?  Because Minnesota's defensive line has been getting schooled by crappy, mediocre, and good lines all season, and it was about time these guys dominated somebody.  And dominate them they did:  less than 30 yards rushing for Washington, 4 sacks, and consistent pressure on Donovan McNabb.  Well done, boys.

Continuing to yell 'BOO!' when opposing receivers go for a catch.  Was it me, or did Washington receivers drop about 11 passes thrown their way Sunday?  Had they, you know, caught them, there would've been a lot of big plays for the Redskins, and the outcome might have been different.  But they didn't, and it wasn't.  Hooray for us!!  I'm thinking that for Madieu Williams and Husain Abdullah Oblongata (copyright Chris Gates), yelling 'BOO!' is their best bet at good pass defense, because they couldn't cover a dead guy with a blanket.

Visanthe Shiancoe, TE.  I was beginning to think that all the Vikings needed to do was run a bootleg with Shiancoe doing a waggle pattern all day long.  It was money, and open, every time they went to it, except one time, late in the fourth quarter.  But more on that later.  On a day when the Vikings used their passing attack like they did early in 2009, Shiancoe's effort really stood out, and it was nice to see him involved in the passing game again.

Junk Bonds:

I've been pretty brutal to the Vikings in not giving out Blue Chip awards when they get beat.  So when they pull together and gut out a big win on the road, I think it's only fair to say there are no junk bonds.  Are there things that need to be improved on?  Of course.  I mean, they're still 4-7, but today, no junk bonds.

Buy/Sell:

Buy:  Ryan Cook subbing for Anthony Herrera.  Can we just all agree that Ryan Cook is no longer terrible?  Is he going to be an All Pro?  Probably not, but is he the false start liability he was in 2007?  No, he is not.  Cook was playing out of position as a tackle in 2007 and 2008, but has been decent in relief duty at center and guard.

Sell:  Brett Favre airmailing throws...again.  It wasn't nearly as bad this week as it was last week, but he overthrew at least two passes to Sidney Rice that I can think of.  And that pissed me off, because I started Sidney on my fantasy team, and he only got me two points.  That's some BS right there, fellas.

Buy:  Asher Allen playing solid press coverage.  Washington went 6/6, or something maddening, in their initial third down conversions, and they were still moving the ball pretty well.  Pretty sure it was the second quarter, Redskins had a third down.  Washington tried to set up a screen pass to their left, and Asher Allen chucked Santana Moss at the line of scrimmage and cut the play off at the knees.  Textbook defense by Allen, and I hope after last week it's a turning point in his development, because he was okay on Sunday.  Not great, but not horrid, either.  Baby steps.

Sell:  Pass coverage by the safeties.  Madieu Williams and Husain Abdullah looked as bad as two human beings could, save for one play by WIlliams, and on that play he should have had the pick.  Abdullah got burned on the Washington TD pass, and Williams got burned repeatedly all day.  We're going to have to ride these horses until the end of the season, but the position will need to be addressed in the off-season.

Buy:  Brett Favre having more rushing yards than Chris Johnson, at least for a day.  I'm sorry, but Favre's mad dash to seal the game was AWESOME!  Peterson flashed his million dollar smile from the sideline, Favre and the offense was fired up, and it was fun watching the Vikings.  For whatever reason, that emotion has been missing, but I'm glad to see it return.  And it makes me wonder if the move to Leslie Frazier had been made after the Moss waivers thing, would the outcome against Chicago and/or Green Bay been different, and would the Vikes have a realistic shot at the playoffs?

Sell:  Jeff Dugan carrying the ball in short yardage situations.  It seemed that on a day when Minnesota re-discovered that running to the right actually works with their tailback, using Dugan to try and get a yard by going straight up the middle wasn't the best call.  It happened late in the fourth quarter, and Washington got the ball back with time to make a game winning drive.  True, they didn't, but had the Vikes been able to keep that drive going and maybe get a field goal, I would've felt a lot more comfortable.

Buy:  Cris Carter and Chris Doleman being named Hall of Fame semi-finalists:  the fact that Carter isn't in is a crime against football humanity, and Doleman should get in.  There is a lot of stiff competition facing CC and Doleman, but I hope Canton will be painted in purple come August.  Again.

Sell:  MRI's for AP and Ray Edwards.  Although their backups played well on Sunday, if Minnesota is going to finish strong they'll need both Edwards and AP healthy and contributing.  Here's to hoping that their injuries are minor, and they're both out on the field kicking Buffalo's ass on Sunday.

Sell:  The defense not being able to get off the field on third down in the first half.  I made a comment in the game thread that it seemed at one point that the Redskins had more third down conversions than they had third down opportunities, like they hit a couple of two for one specials or something.  The Vikings defense couldn't get a good down and distance match-up, and Washington kept making plays.  On their opening drive, they were 4 for 4 on third down conversions.

Buy:  The defense shutting down Washington on third down for a good portion of the game.  Yes, the Redskins started out 4 for 4, but ended the day 7-15, so they did a good job of adjusting and shutting down Washington for a good portion of the game.  7 for 15 isn't good by any stretch, but considering the hot start that the Redskins had coming out of the gate, it was a nice recovery for the defense.

It's been a good weekend of football for the state of Minnesota.  On Saturday, the Gophers played inspired football, came together as a team under an interim coach, and won a game (and a rivalry trophy) that almost no one thought they could.  On Sunday, the Vikings played inspired football, came together as a team under an interim coach, and won a game that not a lot of people thought they would.

Except me and my Dad.

And General Patton.

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Buy: The play calling by Bevell.

Getting Favre to move i.e. not being a sitting duck, helped.

Sell: Special teams kick coverage. I cringed every time the Redskins had a return opportunity.

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by Odin on Nov 29, 2010 12:54 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, ST coverage was pretty bad again

Should’ve made that sell, to be sure.

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by Ted Glover on Nov 29, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

The key of great pocket passers

is the pocket, which Brett hasn’t had this year. So this was a’ finally ’ moment for me. +1 on kick coverage.

by jshep on Nov 29, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Sell

We saw some improvement this week, but it added up to all of 17 points! Next week had better have 30+ offensive points.

As bad as Chilly was, Bevell was brought in to be his yes man, so there is no way I’m buying him unless the Vikes win out and look good on offense in every game.

by KC Viking on Nov 29, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if they will improve each week under leslie. Good wim its a start, but kind of sucks wondering what if zig had did this 3 weeks ago……

by angryguy77 on Nov 29, 2010 1:03 AM CST reply actions  

Brett,

 WHERE THE HELL WAS THAT RUN LAST YEAR
oh well past is the past

by viking guy on Nov 29, 2010 1:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

did you see the pics of his ankle?

A bird in the hand is worth about 10.99 at KFC and makes me lick my chops
Yummy!!!!!

by kdog69 on Nov 29, 2010 2:16 AM CST up reply actions  

i wonder if jenn sterger saw pic's of his throbbing ankle.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Nov 29, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

And, he is not responsible for every 12 man penalty Chilly got called for!

I believe the Iron Man will be asked to throw a pass in the red zone and then catch it himself next.
But like you said: Past is Past.

by izziefans on Nov 29, 2010 6:10 AM CST up reply actions  

So many QB's have made big mistakes in big games. Peyton threw a pick to lose the SB last year.

So many examples of mistakes. It’s not easy to win football games and last year Brett had just basically had his ankle broken ten minutes earlier so it was probably excruciating just standing on it. When Brett is allowed to bootleg he’s at his best. Yesterday he got some time and that fucking defense finally earned their money. It kills me when players finally show up because I think where was that the first ten games?

by GSANTINO on Nov 29, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Not to beat a dead horse,

because I’ve already forgiven him for the pick, but Peyton didn’t have the opportunity to run for a good chunk of yards to get his team in FG range for the win in the SB. Favre did. And instead he threw an easy pick.

Yeah, QBs make mistakes, but that was a big one on Favre’s part. It wasn’t a good defensive play like the Saints had on Peyton, jumping the route. It was Favre being dumb.

by Frost on Nov 30, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice Report man

I would sell the Special teams put coverage for sure. As well as sell my keyboard who’s space bar decided to stop working on Sunday…

Oh and whoever Ben the Sext is (We’re playing on the Saints FFL) sorry about whooping the stuffing out of your Thanksgiving buddy.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Nov 29, 2010 8:02 AM CST reply actions  

Best Football Weekend Of Year

I got back to Iowa City last night, and got to go out to the store wearing my AD jersey…and my Gophers hat. That. Was. Awesome.

by Midnight Rambler on Nov 29, 2010 8:07 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Good Assessment Ted

We too (daughter and I) had the feeling as we sat in our seats in FedEx that we’d win and we’re rarely that optimistic before a game, especially on the road and “outdoors.” For whatever reason during warm-ups, (i think it’s Leslie as our new head coach) the players just seemed relaxed and loose. You could just sense the Vikes were “ready” to play.

As for the Blue Chips, I believe AP’s injury was a blessing in disguise, at least for this game. It brought out the “heart” in Gerhart…he really stepped up to the task of leading this team and getting those crucial first downs when we most needed them. The other blue chip was Favre, especially on that final run. The Skins certainly didn’t expect him to takeoff like that which is exactly why it worked. Pretty good for an ’ol man and I like the fire and emotion he showed all day. Sunday was the start of a new season. SKOL!

"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!

by DaRange on Nov 29, 2010 8:14 AM CST reply actions  

Hey Guys

Congrats on the win!

Love seeing former Bears, go head coach, and win!

Just a quick question for you guys,

Do you think if Frazier had been promoted earlier the Vikings would still be in the nfc north race?

Me personally i believe so, because it seemed to me that he was listening to his players more, also he brings a more physical and tough mentallity to the Vikings

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by suckmyditka on Nov 29, 2010 8:33 AM CST reply actions  

Good question

Would it have been enough to beat Chicago and/or Green Bay? I’d like to think so, but who knows? I am pretty sure they wouldn’t have come out as flat as they did against either team, and their chances to win would have improved dramatically.

Had they won those two games, the NFC North picture is completely different. But they didn’t, so we move on with what we have and with where we are.

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by Ted Glover on Nov 29, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Brett Favre's Scramble

While I was happy to see Favre run for the first down and essentially put the game away, was I, and the family gathering I was at, the only fan/group of fans who wondered aloud why Favre didn’t do that at the end of regulation against the Saints last January?

Making it worse was the announcer lauding Favre’s “football intelligence” after the first down scramble; where was that “intelligence” against the Saints?

/I’m not even over Darrin Nelson’s missed TD reception against the ‘skins in 1988, much less Favre’s INT last January

by Midnight Rambler on Nov 29, 2010 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

His ankle was pretty battered in that game not sure if that was even an option.

Another buy should be moving Brett out of the pocket…

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Nov 29, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Was i the only guy...

yelling at the top of my lungs “DONT DROP THE EFFEN BALL!!!!” during that scramble?

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by Admiral BigGun on Nov 29, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

My sentiments exactly. I thought, oh, God that's what he needed to do last year and that would have only required five yards.

Having said that, in the Saints game he’d just basically had his ankle smashed, so it was probably agony to even take one step.

by GSANTINO on Nov 29, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I actually broke my toe

kicking a chair during Nelson’s 1988 miss!

by abba7 on Nov 29, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Not sure if anyone has ever told you this, Ted

but you are like the Dennis Miller of Daily Norseman, and I mean that in a good way. Battle of the Bulge stories leading into a SMR? Awesome.

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by BReynolds on Nov 29, 2010 9:19 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks

Mucho appreciated.

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by Ted Glover on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

keep it going!

Losing AP in the game was bad, but Toby Gerhart filled in nicely. As I’ve said on previous posts, Toby is the kind of runner that needs alot of carries to get his rythym going. He actually gets better with the more touches he has. He didn’t run close to 2,000 yards last year and be the runner-up for the Heisman becasue of a fluke in the system. HE CAN FLAT OUT RUN THE BALL!

As for future carries, We’ll see the results of AP’s tests. But, you can’t replace the best RB in the league. But, if AP can’t go………I got no worries about TG being in there. I just wish Leslie Frasier could find a way to have them both in the backfield at the same time. They would simply wear down their opponents with that kind of smashmouth running game.

by jjlovesfootball on Nov 29, 2010 9:41 AM CST reply actions  

I wouldnt mind if he became more like Peyton Hillis

That dude is rockin it this year

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by NMVike on Nov 29, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Hillis has been money for me on my FL team.

by NCviking on Nov 29, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Mine too.

He gave me 35 points this week. Add Bowe, Kyle Orton, Green-Elis and Deion Branch and I had the best week ever in FF.

by izziefans on Nov 30, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Gerhart

Can blast the ball and carry guys with him but he has a shiftiness about him that Alstott never had. This kid is the real deal.

I AM VIKING, HEAR ME ROAR!!!

by BaldViking on Nov 29, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Report!

Really well done, Ted, and of course, winning makes everything taste better :)

For the record, I’ve said it before and I’ll stand by it; when the Vikings are 20 point favorites, it’s time to worry. When they’re down and out underdogs, and everyone says they can’t win…. that’s when it’s time to open your wallet and take the great odds. The Vikings can never be discounted, it’s one of the things I love the best about them.

I had to work yesterday so I’ll catch the replay on the game. Can’t wait to see it!

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Nov 29, 2010 9:48 AM CST reply actions  

Pst!!

We win!

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Nov 29, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

You spoiled it for me!!!

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Nov 30, 2010 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Congrats on the win

Hopefully AP isn’t to banged up. But nice of Toby to step up in his absence.

I like Hamburgers!

by Grumps on Nov 29, 2010 10:11 AM CST reply actions  

Kluwe Quote: (tweeted after the game)
Consensus on the bus is ‘I tackle as good as Favre scrambles’

thank goodness there was a flag on the punt runback (whew)

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by Admiral BigGun on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Kluwe is rapidly becoming one of my favorite Vikings

He’s like that smart, snarky guy you’d want to sit next to during boring classes so you wouldn’t fall asleep.

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by Skol Girl on Nov 30, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

abdullah vs johnson

What do you guys really think the reason is behind abdullah starting over johnson? Is it they both just suck or johnson sucks more or what because it annoys me we spent a 2nd rounder on the guy and he gets no playing time.

by FSUViking on Nov 29, 2010 11:55 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I don't know but...

… from my perspective Abdullah is more of an active player than Johnson. To me, Johnson has been the worst player on that defense, hands down.

by HammeroftheGods on Nov 29, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice report as always

Man than hit the Greenway put on Armstrong was EPIC! I actually give Armstrong credit for holding onto the ball

by abba7 on Nov 29, 2010 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

Moreso

LEGAL. See how a good linebacker does it James Harrison?

by Jepp The Viking on Nov 29, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

good report, ted

i might add that good luck was on our side yesterday. if it weren’t for all of those redskin dropped balls, i think the game would have been a challenge for us to win. mcnabb’s int was the result of one of those, bouncing high in the air after hitting his receiver right on the numbers.

also, let’s not forget the most important play of the game, the 4th quarter punt return for a td by that little twerp banks. that was a game breaking play, and fortunately for us, it got called back for a stupid illegal block that didn’t even affect the play. AND it was half the distance to the goal, so wash started out at their own 11 yard line. talk about taking the wind out of their sails. that could have beat us.

last, i disagree with this part.

I have a theory, and it goes something like this: If you have two All-Pro lineman on your left side, and two guys that bust their ass but are less talented on the right side, you might get more results by running to the left when keeping it on the ground.

mckinnie stinks. he has never been all-pro or a pro bowler, and he was only selected to last year’s pro bowl because of the team success…..he rode the wake of the perception. and, he embarassed everyone by getting kicked off the pro bowl team. running left has not been anything more certain than a log jam, and i give adrian peterson all the credit for forcing his way through tiny cracks or just bouncing it outside several yards to find his own daylight. and, hutch skated in last year on his reputation. and this year, he hasn’t looked any better, imo.

toby’s running stats were mediocre for a reason, because the o-line can’t make holes for him to run through (just like for ap). i give toby credit for running hard to pick up tough yards after contact at the line almost every time he carried, and that he didn’t fumble while guys were yanking at the ball. this illustrates just how much extra we get out of adrian peterson, cuz he can turn nothing into something.

i did like that we stuck with our running attack, it eats up the clock and it works well with the play action pass and designed roll outs that were called a lot yesterday. i liked the play calling for the most part.

i also liked how leslie frazier made it a point to give compliments to the o-line and pretty much everyone. it can only help to boost their moral and provide a boost. hopefully this will be motivation for the o-line to try even harder next week. i think they can play better than they have been, but i would stop well short of praising them.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Nov 29, 2010 1:05 PM CST reply actions  

BOO defense is a classic

I almost wet myself when I read that line. Glad it worked for us this week, but we cannot count on it always working. Need to tighten up but I am enjoying the win today. The GB fan that is always at the park where I walk my dog was missing this morning for some reason. I wonder why?

by SouthernNorseman on Nov 29, 2010 1:06 PM CST reply actions  

Sell - Special Teams Coverage

They gave up too many yards for my liking (123 kickoff return yards and 20 punt return yards). If Perry Riley is not called for blocking from behind, add 77 more yards to the totals. Not good and note to teams thinking of kicking to Brandon Banks in the future…don’t!

"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!

by DaRange on Nov 29, 2010 1:09 PM CST reply actions  

Major mistake

all the times we kicked to Hester, too.

by jshep on Nov 29, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Buy-Seeing the team huddled up around Leslie Frazier on the sideline

That was definite gut check time and whatever was said must have worked.

Buy-Seeing the team rally around Frazier and give him congratulatory hugs and handshakes after the game.

Buy-The gatorade bath.

Buy-Bevell being able to call “Victory formation.”

Solid investment-The play of the corners for most of the game. Winfield covered and tackled well. Asher Allen and Frank Walker played well for the most part. I think it was obvious that those guys are still working out the kinks of playing together as a unit.

Solid investment-Coach Pagac’s game plan. Other than the first drive and a few 3rd downs in the first half, the defense played well. I thought he did a good job of being aggressive and dialing up the blitz. It seemed as though the blitzes called yesterday had a much higher success rate than we’ve seen all season.

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-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Nov 29, 2010 1:19 PM CST reply actions  

Can't disagree with any of that

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by Ted Glover on Nov 29, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Buy

A coach who when asked, (get this..) ANSWERS QUESTIONS. It’s already a breath of fresh air.

by Jepp The Viking on Nov 29, 2010 1:25 PM CST reply actions  

i also noticed that

in leslie frazier’s presser, you could actually hear the reporter’s questions. in all of chilly’s pressers, the reporters questions were not audible. i wonder if that was part of chilly’s doing. i wonder if he was trying to control the situation by not allowing the questions to be picked up on the mic.

it WAS refreshing to listen to frazier.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Nov 29, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I noticed

that also. Thought maybe it was me. I think you got something there.

by NCviking on Nov 29, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I really thought...

… Favre looked almost as bad as ever, but without the big mistakes (turnovers). That was at least efficient, but not inspired, play. If he had played like that all season, we would likely be +2 or +3 wins right now, sitting at a respectable 6-5 or 7-4. Perhaps even better.

I thought in particular Ben Leber was kind of useless in that game. Madieu Williams I wouldn’t pick on, I thought on balance it was one of his better games.

How can we not get the ball to Sidney Rice? This is absurd.

Favre looks like he doesn’t trust his pocket when he throws. He’s either starting down receivers trying to get a quick throw, or else displaying strange footwork and off-balance throws like he thinks he can’t step into the throw right. When the pocket shrinks, it’s all over folks.

So I thought the offensive line played just OK, but for the way Favre is operating, just OK isn’t close to good enough to be efficient.

I still say bench Favre, start Tavaris Jackson and maybe even give a look at Joe Webb.

And could our special teams be any worse? At least our kick coverage is terrible again.

Still, a good road win, albeit against an average (or slightly below average) team. But, we haven’t been getting road wins, so this is a nice development.

Apart from insisting on starting Favre, so far I like what I see from Frazier.

by HammeroftheGods on Nov 29, 2010 1:53 PM CST reply actions  

With ya

Favre was incredibly gun shy yesterday. Instead of standing in there and delivering a strike while taking a hit, he curled over like a little girl and threw some terribly inaccurate duck.
PS- I love Sid Rice. Anyone can see how much more athletic he is than any guy on our team not named AP or Harvin.

by Jepp The Viking on Nov 29, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep...

… Rice is big and athletic and reasonably fast. How can we not have more balls going his way? It’s been like that all year. Apart from Harvin, it seems like we can’t consistently get the ball to anyone. Shank was getting some touches in that game, but that wasn’t the case for several games.

I don’t know, but I hope for whoever becomes the permanent coach, we look at some of the other coaching positions. Somehow it seems like Bevell gets off the hook, while the ball doesn’t get to Rice and Shank often enough.

by HammeroftheGods on Nov 29, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, like you could take 5 of the hits

Favre had taken this year, tough guy. LOL
He has no confidence in his line for a few very good reasons – his injuries as a result of them. Can you honestly blame him?

by jshep on Nov 29, 2010 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Well...

… no. Not really. Our O-line is unreliable. But, at this point Favre doesn’t seem to move well inside the pocket, or be able to buy time. So, the combination of an immobile Favre and an unreliable line is not working.

It just seems to me that, unless we have a killer O-line that gives the QB a good pocket and loads of time, Favre won’t succeed. We need a top O-line for Favre to be effective.

by HammeroftheGods on Nov 30, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

if you though that
Favre looked almost as bad as ever, but without the big mistakes (turnovers). That was at least efficient, but not inspired, play.

 or this

Favre looks like he doesn’t trust his pocket when he throws. He’s either starting down receivers trying to get a quick throw, or else displaying strange footwork and off-balance throws like he thinks he can’t step into the throw right. When the pocket shrinks, it’s all over folks.

Than you really would have been disappointed with TJack. Tjack has hardly ever shown inspired play. He rarely has ever trusted his pocket. He has horrible mechanics (jump passes to the shoe tops of his receivers). And he often has happy feet which has lead to multiple injuries in his career(concussion and knee).

I understand your pain. Favre played out his mind in 09. This year he has under performed. But this team and its coaches still believe that Favre is their best option for winning the remaining games. And considering our options, I agree.

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Nov 29, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

*thought

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Nov 29, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I know...

… because I’ve watched Tavaris play all his Vikings games. But, let’s be honest, it’s a different team and a long time since he started. We don’t really know what we’ll get. Is he a starter? Maybe not, but why not find out? Is he a solid backup worth signing? Let’s find it out.

Up until this point in the season, I think you would have a hard case to make that Favre is doing better than T-Jack could have done. When you are near dead last in every QB statistic, for more than 1/2 a season, I don’t care if your name is Favre, Tarkenton, Luckman, Unitas, Montana, Brady, or Manning. You should ride the pine.

Practically any guy who put up Favre’s numbers through 10 games would be benched.

by HammeroftheGods on Nov 29, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess I just have a much different opinion

I believe that we do know what we’ll get from TJack. More of the same. One thing worth throwing out there is that AP went down in the game against Washington. If TJack and Gerhart are back there, I believe the offense would really have become (more) one dimensional.

As far as the last part of your post, deep down inside I agree with you. But the reality is that those guys don’t go to the bench. Not with the amound of dollars associated with them in this day-and-age. The team really was all in this year with Favre. It was sort of like the Randy Ratio. Once you declare something like that, you’re pretty much stuck with it for better or worse.

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Nov 30, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Well I still...

… prefer to see it demonstrated on the field. If T-Jack is the same T-Jack from before, fine. Then we know for sure. What if Joe Webb can get in there and play better than expected?

The way we are doing it now, we’ll never know for sure. You might be exactly right. But let’s find out rather than surmise.

You are probably right about “those guys”. But now, there is no playoffs for us. We did go all in so as long as there was a chance, ok maybe we play Favre practically no matter what.

I think that all goes out the window once we are eliminated from the playoffs. We need to look to the future.

Also, with Jackson and Webb, even if neither is the starter next year or ever, are they good enough backups? Do we know where they are at? And how does Joe Webb get better, or even Jackson, without getting into a real NFL game?

by HammeroftheGods on Nov 30, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a team effort

Sure Favre played okay. But the guy’s playing with injuries quite well, find out today, Hutch had a bad thumb and played, and don’t forget we had another O-line change for this game. The o-line isn’t giving BF the time he had last year.

by NCviking on Nov 29, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Buy

—chance of actually winning 2 in a row vs buf @ home next week????

or did i just jinx that?

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the preceding statement was false" - george carlin

by BranFavrenton on Nov 29, 2010 2:06 PM CST reply actions  

A very good chance...

.. but by no means a gimme. I always see a lot of the Bills at the particular sports bar I am at, and you can see they are just good enough to hang around. They should have beaten the Steelers yesterday. I mean, they were one dropped pass away from a decisive win against a top team.

But we still have a solid chance to stack even 3 or 4 wins. The Giants and Bears are beatable at the Dome. We could win 4 straight or lose the next 3 and be 1-3 over that 4 game stretch. Nothing would surprise me now.

At Eagle and at Detroit, the last two games, both look like a challenge.

by HammeroftheGods on Nov 29, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

enter the dragon bitches

carter should have been in last year and the year before that. there is now way in hell he doesn’t get in this year.

by muffin man on Nov 29, 2010 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

BUY

The excitement! After our roller coast ride of a season, it felt like I could feed off of the excitement that the Vikes showed – that’s something big that has been missing this year.

by NCviking on Nov 29, 2010 4:26 PM CST reply actions  

Junk Bonds

Special teams kick coverage has been a junk bond for quite some time, not sure what happened but they have been consistently bad all season. It wasn’t a fluke that the old Hester showed up in time for the Vikings game against Chicago. Something to think about before the final game with the Bears.

by StuffIT on Nov 29, 2010 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

Arrest for insider trading and cooking the books:

Bernard Berrian. Harvin, Favre, Hutch, and probably AP next week are playing with injuries and BB takes 3 plus games off with an owie. SEE YA BERNARD!

PS- Why do we always forget we have Jaymar Johnson back next year? He’s better than Hank, Greg, and Cam, isn’t he?

by Jepp The Viking on Nov 29, 2010 4:56 PM CST reply actions  

Probably...

… Johnson will be better than that bunch of no-names. At any rate, he is cheap. I like Camarillo for heady play and just good reliability. But, he’s not a gimme to make an NFL squad, in my opinion. It looks to me like he’s running with cement shoes, he’s so painfully slow, but without the size and athleticism of other top receivers.

Berrian they should waive. If they could trade him fine, but I highly doubt anyone would pick up his contract. He’s so extravagantly overpaid. We need $$$ to sign Sidney Rice, and then we need to get someone else. Rice + Harvin + another guy, and then our stable of adequate backups and role players is good enough.

We need a wideout either in the draft or in free agency, but Rice remains our top priority to sign.

by HammeroftheGods on Nov 29, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Imagine being Rice or Harvin

Playing hurt essentially, while a guy that makes $7million/yr. pussyfoots it on the sideline thinking about being on the OchoCinco show.

by Jepp The Viking on Nov 29, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

2 fractures in your foot at 41 vs.

a hamsting pull – who should be able to tough it out on Sunday? That thought alone should buy the Vikes out of BB’s contract for cause.

by jshep on Nov 29, 2010 5:33 PM CST reply actions  

Much. Better. Coaching.

I saw a better team beating the Redskins on Sunday. I saw better utilization of the many talented people on the roster. Smarter offensive and defensive play calling. Especially, I saw a head coach that looked like he knows how to channel his team in a positive direction.

I don’t mind so much if the Vikings lose, if at least they look competent. It’s been awhile, but they finally look like there’s some intelligence at the top.

by jimbo55403 on Nov 29, 2010 10:50 PM CST reply actions  

With the way this season has gone for the Vikings

We really do have to just enjoy the moment. A lot of reports are downplaying the Vikings’ win on Sunday because the Redskins are “mediocre at best”, but when you take into account the week they had with Childress getting fired and how long it has been since they won on the road and on natural turf, it is a pretty big deal. Honestly, if they could play that cleanly when there was every reason to believe they would be a mess, it makes you wonder what they will be capable of doing as Frazier’s reign as interim head coach continues.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 30, 2010 1:56 PM CST reply actions  

Ok we got the win

And still no Floyd… You’re dead to me.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Dec 1, 2010 10:45 AM CST reply actions  

LOL

Mea culpa…if it’s any consolation I was going to go with ‘Comfortably Numb’ if they had lost.

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by Ted Glover on Dec 1, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Was thinkng that myself actually.

but it might have been the alcohol.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Dec 1, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

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