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Not everything coming out of Winter Park these days is bad news. (Just most of it.) This isn't "We're all finally free from the Brad Childress era"-level good news, but it's positive nonetheless.

Sidney Rice practiced today, and according to Chip Scoggins he looked pretty darn good. It doesn't sound likely that he'll play on Sunday against Arizona, but we may get him back soon.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled despair, gloom, and hatred towards your head coach.

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hmm..

The Moss ship leaving and then Rice back on the field.. Wonder if they knew… ha.

But seriously, Rice, hurry back.

This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

by theSwarley on Nov 3, 2010 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

A Question for Everyone

I have disliked Childress as much as everyone since he’s been with MN.

If Childress turns this season around (even if it’s not exactly to his credit), and we make the playoffs, win a game or two in the playoffs, etc., do we give him a pass and say good job?

I don’t want him here next season for sure, but I’m wondering in the short term; while we hate what Childress has done this season, is it excusable if he salvages this season?

This is my first post on DailyNorseman. I’m a lifelong Vikings fan from California, and Moss has always been my favorite player, granted the first season the Vikings were very good in my lifetime was his rookie year. I was so excited to see him back, and so sad to see him waived…

by BringBackNolan on Nov 3, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Chilly

I don’t care if this guy is the second coming of the J.C. He better be GONE this season. As far as I’m concerened if this season gets turned around it will be because of AP and company, NOT the bald headed idiot roming the sidelines

This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

by theSwarley on Nov 3, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we do win a playoff game or two

It will be in spite of Childress, not because of him.

Proud contributor to Daily Norseman and SB Nation Minnesota

by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 3, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

unfortunately..if vikes somehow, miraculously, make and go deep into playoffs..

…not only will he not be fired… i’ll bet he’d be a coach of the year candidate for ‘prospering in the face of adversity’ or some scat like that…

…but as much as i hate chilly..i’d welcome that scenario in a heartbeat!

"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin

by BranFavrenton on Nov 4, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’d sooner use the remainder of the season as an extended interview for Frazier to be honest.

The knock on Childress has always been bad game-day management and bad people skills. I’ve felt that under him with have ‘out-personneled’ other teams, but will always come unstuck against inventive play-calling (The Eagles blitzes in 08, the Saints offence in 09….). We’re in to the weaker part of out schedule, but it the games before we needed the results in.

PS – Eric, thanks for “We now return you to your regularly scheduled despair, gloom, and hatred towards your head coach.” Great line, good sir!

by ViolentSilence on Nov 3, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good question.

I don’t think many of us fans will give him a pass unless we make an unlikely Superbowl run. I do think that if the season ends up being salvaged and we make the playoffs Wilf will give Childress a pass because of the three remaining years on his contract. It’s pretty rare for even awful coaches to be fired until they have 2 or fewer years left on their contract. I’d guess that we’re probably stuck with Childress until after the 2011 season. Keep posting man!

by CanadianViking on Nov 3, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

No pass for Childress

No way, he sucks. If we win, it’s in spite of him, not because of him. Fire him now, as far as I’m concerned.

by B Rad on Nov 3, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's Up To Ziggy

But for some strange reason .. Childress can do no wrong …

by VikinginCalifornia on Nov 3, 2010 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

i bet, prob pics of him in a torrid affair w/ betty white, or something

"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin

by BranFavrenton on Nov 4, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is great

But this never should have happened. For some reason Rice ignorantly decided to have surgery after training camp began instead of months prior to the start of the 2010-11 season. Had he just had the surgery, he would be playing right and this entire Randy Moss incident would never have taken place. It’s not his fault by any means, but he should have just had the surgery earlier.

And on that note, I’m excited that he’s almost back. We need him, he tries on every play and he’s one damn good receiver. Hurry back Syd!

by Bboc6830 on Nov 3, 2010 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

When he first visited the surgeon they said that whatever he had would heal itself over the course of the summer, when he went back obviously it didn’t heal.. sooo, surgery. Really no fault on Rice

This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

by theSwarley on Nov 3, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is also true

but there were also contract considerations.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 3, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

And after I wrote the first thing, I did think about that. The surgeons also told him that it was possible for the injury to nag him even during the season depending on how it heals. They did say that he could have surgery right away and get it out of the way, but he chose the latter option. Contract negotiations were also an issue. I’m just happy that Moss is gone and that Syd is back on the field. This is great news!

by Bboc6830 on Nov 3, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

let's get this straight

the contract Rice is on treats him differently depending on when he decided to have surgery. If he couldn’t show up at training camp, then his contract got rolled another year at his same pay (which is significantly under his value). If he waited to get it done, but played enough games this year, then he can negotiate a new deal. I believe he asked for them to waive the contract rolling bit, but was told no…so he waited.

Point is that the incentive were for him to wait. Let’s not be haters here. I would have done the same thing.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 3, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well yeah I think anyone would have, but since our owners are obviously so willing to give out money to people, why be so stingy w/Rice’s contract? Obviously he was/is a HUGE asset to this offense. But.. whatever, nothing to be done about this now other than bitch.

This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

by theSwarley on Nov 3, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fingers crossed

Wishing Sidney Rice a speedy return to the active list.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Nov 3, 2010 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL

I’m sure Sidney is in a rush to get back to this squad ….

by VikinginCalifornia on Nov 3, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

my folks live in eden prairie and i was there a few weeks ago and saw him at the gas station. He was upset that he couldnt retreive 1 thousand dollars from the ATM and he was asking the clerk why that was. I told him he had to make 2 transactions cuz theres usually a limit and he started to laugh about it and said thanks and started to walk out. i asked him “are we gonna turn the season around when you get back or what?” he said “yeah maybe”….“if everyone decides to work theyre hardest” he seemed extremely fed up

by Judas Childress on Nov 3, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm seriously thinking...

Of abandoning this blog if this mindless Chilly bashing doesn’t stop.

It’s pointless… This is the same coach who has given us something to hope for… and now we all vilify him because we’re having a season where that hope seems a little more remote?

It all seems very fickle of this fan base, it seems irrational, and most importantly, it seems to be completely baseless.

None of us are in the locker room. And no offense, but many of the Chilly Bashers don’t know an A gap from a hole in the wall.

If you want him gone, let’s talk about it in the off season. But if you are a fan of the Minnesota Vikings… why don’t you act like you owe a little respect to the guy who, were it not for some shitty officiating, would have taken us to the Superbowl just over half a year ago?

by McCoubs on Nov 3, 2010 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I think everyone at this blog is a fan of the Minnesota Vikings players. I don’t think we are a fan of the HC. I think we have every right to be pissed at our coach. You are right, we should have gone to the superbowl last year and the fact that we are 2-5, with the talent on this team, you are damn right we can be pissed and blame the coach. He has not used the offense even close to the potential it has.

This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

by theSwarley on Nov 3, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't that circular logic?

The offense was amazing last year under Brad Childress… What with all those amazing players that Childress was coaching/drafting.

Come to think of it, it’s not circular, it’s just flawed. When they were good it was about their ability, when they’re bad, it’s the coach’s fault.

Pat Kirwan had a great comment about the difference between analysts who played analysts who coached… Not everything comes down to scheme, or the play call. Players (and fans) always talk about “what a dumb call.” Well sometimes players just plain don’t EXECUTE the right call. Like running Power O between the tackle and guard at the goal line to end the half.

And it’s a coaches job to FIX that, not prevent that. But none of us ever see the mistakes that players don’t make again. We just bitch and moan about how they should have run it behind Hutch, or how we need to pass on first down more often. We don’t think about balance. We just yell at our TVs and pretend we know better than the 32 head coaches who live breathe and eat football 24/7.

I for one, like to think I’m smart enough to know one thing: I sure as hell don’t know more about offensive football than Brad Childress.

by McCoubs on Nov 3, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Childress is a decent coach, I'll give you that

But he is a horrible leader. I think he’d make a pretty good offensive coordinator somewhere, just like he was in Philadelphia. But after watching him botch all of these personnel moves in the worst way possible, it’s blatantly obvious that he is not a good head coach.

Proud contributor to Daily Norseman and SB Nation Minnesota

by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 3, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like that we're having a debate...

And it’s not just fire Childress… no Don’t fire Childress…

But Moss aside… which personnel decisions are we talking about?
(This is not me trying to be coy, it’s an honest question.)

by McCoubs on Nov 3, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't cover them all, but I'll cover the main problems I have with him

I think the main issue with his leadership is he’s horribly inconsistent with his team. He gave Brett absolute carte blanche to act however he wanted, yet pulled the plug on Moss after only a month. He has thrown multiple players under the bus for “not playing within the system”—shouldn’t you coach to your players’ strengths instead of telling players to adapt to you?

I get where you’re coming from—blaming all our woes squarely on Childress isn’t right. But there have been way too many reports of players grumbling about him—I’ve heard the phrase “lost the locker room” about a dozen times this week. Childress isn’t our only problem, but in my opinion he’s the most glaring problem and the easiest problem to “correct” in the short term.

Proud contributor to Daily Norseman and SB Nation Minnesota

by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 4, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll give you one thing...

If Childress is the problem, it’s definitely a glaring one. You’d think a guy who spends every day of training camp outdoors would get some sun on that noggin. (hey-o)

but in any case… I’m going to agree to disagree and stop rocking the boat. It’s not like i can’t see WHY I’m in the minority opinion here… there’s a strong case to be made for ousting the guy.

And yes, I’ve heard these locker room reports as well… and maybe there’s truth to them. Maybe they’re just the sensationalist journalism du jour… I don’t know…

One thing’s for sure, though… Winning fixes everything (Ask the Giants this year or in their Superbowl year)… and I feel GOOD about this weekend.

by McCoubs on Nov 4, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no doubt that players do not execute plays right all the time. Of course they don’t. But take into regard the Vikings first drive, or hell first quarter, of every game this year. We don’t open our offense up until we are behind and have to do something other than run, run, pass, punt. That has literally been our offense until we get down by 2 touchdowns. Now, don’t get me wrong, I LOVE AP (platonically of course) but, do something different. When was the last time we threw a screen pass to the guy. I just think that Childress has a one track mind to offense, and that just does not cut it in the NFL and Childres is unwilling to change and think on the fly.

Why did it work last year? Because we had a healthy Rice and a down the field passing attack. Oh, and we started out the season against some easy teams. Oh and our D line could sack someone. We also had a lot of stuff go our way, where as this year it seems all the little calls/bad calls are not going our way.

This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

by theSwarley on Nov 3, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah... the run run pass argument.

See… here’s what I’m talking about. This is one of the major reasons everybody gets on Childress. Run Run Pass, Punt. It’s the viking way? Right? That’s why we’re losing?

That’s what the press wants us to believe, and it’s sure the popular sentiment here.

… but What if I told you it’s actually not true? I know it feels that way when you’re watching the games… I feel it too, but when you check the facts, it doesn’t hold water.

Firstly, the Vikings in their first two losses had tremendous success when they DID run on first down. Secondly, there’s a lot more balance than you think. on first AND second downs.

I’d invite all of you who feel like we’re this vanilla Run Run Pass to make their own conclusions when they look at the facts. You can very readily pick up a play by play on NFL.com. Go to scores, pick a week, select the box score or your preferred game and select play by play.

For starters, take a look at both the New Orleans and Miami games…

I don’t actually have my chart analysis handy (I chart the games by hand using my PVR afterward each game, but I’m not home). But I think you can see for yourself. Try to be objective and let me know what you think.

I think it’s at least worth some good conversation.

by McCoubs on Nov 3, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh... my aching typos.

Whoops. hopefully that rant still made sense.

by McCoubs on Nov 3, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha, I think I still get what you are saying even with all those horrid typos in there… kidding.

I understand what you are saying, and I also wish we would mix it up more with the whole Percy/AP usage, which I have to give credit, we have seen PH in the backfield a few times this year, and it had worked out great. But you do have to admit, this is a VERY vanilla offense. I just feel, and I think the majority of the fan base feels, that with the weapons we have lets use them and scare the crap out of the opposing defenses.

But in the end, I guess we can all debate and debate but in reality we have a 2-5 ball team. It sucks, and I just hope that somehow we can get this ship rightened by next year without doing to much damage to the team and the fans

This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

by theSwarley on Nov 3, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Should A Coach Throw A Challenge Flag

Oh yeah when everyone in the entire world can see the man caught the ball and was all by himself .. Great coaching job Childress

by VikinginCalifornia on Nov 3, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. That was bad.

And easy for us at home to see on replay…

But in fairness to him… The game in Green bay when he didn’t challenge the non TD TD, it’s not like they’re throwing it up on the big screen at Lambeau for him to watch…

That is a BIG part of home field advantage.

And it comes down to the assistants in the booth missing it as well. they (more often than not) make the challenge suggestions on the road.

by McCoubs on Nov 3, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Booth!

That’s why we have a team of people looking at the replay, even if it is not shown on the big screen, they have access to the replay. FIRE THEM ALL! : )

This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

by theSwarley on Nov 4, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm saying it's uncertain. I don't know.

Under Vince Lombardi, maybe, under Lane Kiffin, maybe not? It’s fun to play hypotheticals, but we have to acknowledge that it’s very difficult to evaluate Childress (or any head coach) without perspective.

I’d hate to lose him and have him go win two superbowls elsewhere. Granted, we’re not Oakland, so that’s probably not a guarantee like it was back in the day, but it’s a tough call to make.

And all of the perspective I have says that he was a pretty good coach last year. And the year before that.

And I’m saying we certainly won’t have a better record THIS SEASON under an interim or new head coach. That I can almost certainly guarantee.

So I’m saying, for the sake of our own sanity… why not have this conversation after the season when it’s actually relevant? When we have more than a 7 game sample to go on, and when we’re actually in a position to do something constructive about it?

by McCoubs on Nov 3, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha ha

Childress in the superbowl .. Ask the fans in Philly what they think about that .. is weak play calling caused them to lose a Superbowl .. The problem with TO and McNabb was caused by Childress … If he is a great coach .. So is Bozo the clown ..

by VikinginCalifornia on Nov 4, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

BULLSHIT

He is the reason why we lost the superbowl….I could go on and on but obviously you have this notion that it is baseless to criticze an inept coach and his lack of coaching and gameplan skills. Baseless my arz

by PURPLEPUSSYEATER on Nov 3, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fickle?

I’ve been a Vikings fan since I was old enough to crap. I will continue to be until I die. I did not like Childress, and I don’t like him now. Childress hasn’t given us something to hope for, I don’t know where you get that. To insult people for having an opinion is ignorant, I come by my opinions through sound logic. If you don’t like it, oh well.

by B Rad on Nov 3, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure how I insulted you...

I was hoping to spur a debate or a conversation. But my apologies if I struck a chord?

by McCoubs on Nov 3, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is indeed great news!

I expected Sidney to be sidelined for one or two more weeks. If he is indeed running and cutting at full speed we may have him as soon as next week. I would not mind if the Vikings to put him in as a decoy even if not up to full speed, could open up the middle more…

Someday...Vikings win a superbowl!

by MadisonViking on Nov 3, 2010 6:32 PM CDT reply actions  

He Is Not Back

Sidney is only cleared to practice not play .. He will be out between 2-3 more weeks at best

by VikinginCalifornia on Nov 4, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best news in quite sometime.

His absence has been crippling for this team.

It’ll be nice to have him back, hopefully soon. Just hope it isn’t too late for an outside shot at the playoffs.

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by LORD KAYOSS on Nov 4, 2010 1:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Save us , Sidney...SAVE US!!!!!!

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the preceding statement was false" - george carlin

by BranFavrenton on Nov 4, 2010 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

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