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Closing Out The Second Randy Moss Era

Well, that was an interesting month or so, wasn't it?

It was a month ago Saturday that we got word that the Minnesota Vikings had, once again, brought Randy Moss to town to help out a struggling offense. Yes, Moss' numbers in a Viking uniform aren't going to blow anybody away or anything, but to say he didn't have a profound effect on Minnesota's offense would be supremely ignorant.

When Moss was brought to Minnesota, a parallel was drawn between the Minnesota and New England offenses in that they each have a dynamic slot receiver that would benefit from the presence of Moss. In New England, that player is Wes Welker. In Minnesota, that player is Percy Harvin. And, to put it mildly, that proved to be an accurate comparison. To wit. . .

Wes Welker with Randy Moss (4 games) - 26 catches, 217 yards, 2 touchdowns
Wes Welker without Randy Moss (3 games) - 14 catches, 102 yards, 0 touchdowns

Percy Harvin without Randy Moss (3 games) - 12 catches, 106 yards, 1 touchdown
Percy Harvin with Randy Moss (4 games) - 19 catches, 287 yards, 2 touchdowns (plus a rushing TD)

By all accounts, nobody was more pissed off about the departure of Randy Moss than Percy Harvin. . .and with very good reason, obviously. Harvin, apparently, never left Moss' side when he was in Minnesota, and gained a lot of knowledge from a guy whose football knowledge has always been under reported and underappreciated.

Again, the stats that Moss put up won't blow anybody away. . .13 catches, 174 yards, two touchdowns. . .and there's a good reason for that, too. I'll bet you can guess what that reason is, can't you? No, it's not because of Brett Favre or because of anyone else that actually shared the field in Randy Moss in his brief stint as a Viking. The reason, ladies and gentlemen, is 190 pounds of rompin', stompin', team destroyin', season tankin' dynamite.

Lay this one at the feet of Brad Childress, ladies and gentlemen.

Star-divide

Shortly after word of Moss' release came down the pike, it came to light that Brad Childress has a specific clause in his contract that allows him to make roster moves without consulting anyone above in in the chain of command. Why on earth any self-respecting owner or general manager would allow this to happen is beyond my comprehension. While Childress has done a decent job of finding talent since he became Minnesota's coach, he's not Bill Parcells, he's not Mike Holmgren, he's not Bill Belichick. . .and, besides, we have a VP of Football Operations for this sort of thing in Rick Spielman. Why Brad Childress is allowed to unilaterally implement roster moves is mind-boggling, to say the least.

With that in mind, whether he got Zygi Wilf to sign off on the original move to acquire Moss or not, it's clear that when Childress got his hands on the new toy for his offense, he didn't have the slightest clue about how to use it. None at all. Did Moss still draw double teams a large percentage of the time? He certainly did. . .just go back and watch the tape of the Patriots game if you need any convincing of that. So what, exactly, did Childress do to alleviate this?

Did he put Moss in motion? No, not really.

Did he move Moss into the slot occasionally? Not that I ever saw.

Did he do anything to try to get the double coverage away from Moss and attempt to create mismatches for him? Not so much, no.

And the reason for this is simple. . .Brad Childress wants everyone to know that he's in charge of the offense, and the entire offensive system is more rigid than a virgin on his first trip to the Bada Bing. What we get from Brad Childress most weeks is a classic example of overcoaching, largely because he seems to be under the impression that his system is greater than the sum of its parts. That's why this team implements a zone blocking scheme that is generally used by smaller, quicker offensive linemen with an offensive line that averages about 325 pounds from tackle to tackle. Because that's Brad Childress' system, by God, and if you don't want to force yourself into the system, then you can get out of town.

To which I say. . .if you can't find a way to fit a talent like Randy Moss into your system, then it's safe to assume that your system straight-up, flat-out, indisputably and inarguably sucks. Randy Moss might be the most physically gifted wide receiver in the history of the National Football League, and while he may have lost a step or two since the first time he was in Minnesota, he was comfortably two or three steps ahead of most other receivers to begin with. Surely something could have been done in order to make him a more productive piece of Minnesota's offense, particularly with a quarterback that had waited his entire career to connect with Moss and threw him his 500th career touchdown pass.

"Ah, but Randy Moss is a diva and acted like a real jerk," some might say. Yes, folks, Randy Moss is a diva. He's also kind of an ass. In related news, the sun rose in the east today, water is wet, and Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

See, we've known that Randy Moss is a jerk and a diva and an ass and whatever other terms you might like to label him with. We've known this ever since he's come into the league. . .and even the staunchest of Moss defenders can readily admit this. We just didn't take quite as much notice when he was our jerk and our diva. But with that in mind, if Brad Childress wasn't ready to handle that sort of thing. . .why on earth did he advocate for him or go along with bringing Moss to Minnesota? I mean, recent history tells us that the guy doesn't want to deal with diva wide receivers and other people that aren't in lockstep with his thinking. For crying out loud, by all accounts he eventually got to the point with Terrell Owens in Philadelphia where T.O. would start talking and Childress would put his fingers in his ears and yell "LA LA LA LA WHAT T.O. I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA!" It's no wonder the guy can't stand Favre. . .hell, at this point, I don't blame Favre one bit for going against what Childress wants. Quite frankly, the fact that Favre was able to overcome Brad Childress to lead the Vikings to the sorts of results they got in 2009 is a greater testament to his abilities than anything else he's done at any point of his NFL career.

But in Philadelphia, Andy Reid could tell Childress that he would, to borrow a military term, shut up and color. And as a result, Reid got a hell of a lot of production out of Owens for a season. . .one that saw the Eagles end up in the Super Bowl. No such filter exists at the moment in Minnesota, particularly in light of the fact that Brad Childress has the authority to make whatever roster moves he wishes without consulting anybody else. So, rather than hold on to him through the end of the season and possibly get a compensatory pick, or try a few new things to get him more involved in the offense and make him more productive, Childress ensured that we would get no more than four games of mediocre numbers in return for the third round pick that we burned to bring Randy Moss back to town. (Thankfully, the Tennessee Titans were kind enough to take Randy's salary off of our hands for the rest of the year, which was nice of them.)

Brad Childress wanted to show that he's in charge of the Minnesota Vikings, and he felt that the way he could do that was to take a high profile player and punish him in a high profile way for the entire world to see. He actually thought that this would get a positive result. Instead, all he's wound up doing is pissing off the better part of his own team, alienating the fans, and leaving all but the most ardent of Viking/Childress apologists to come to one conclusion.

It's time for Brad Childress to take his leave from Minnesota.

There are lots of fine, outstanding parts in the Minnesota offense. . .Adrian Peterson (obviously), Sidney Rice (when he's healthy), Percy Harvin and Visanthe Shiancoe make up as good a group of skill position players as there are in the National Football League when everyone is healthy and on the same page. But it doesn't do any good to hand someone a recipe for beef Bourguignon when they're bound and determined to just make cheeseburgers with whatever you hand them.

That's what Brad Childress has done. That's what Brad Childress is doing. And that's why Brad Childress has to go. It can be tomorrow, it can be next week, it can be as soon as the Vikings get off the field in Detroit in Week 17. But it has to be done. And if Randy Moss had to be sacrificed to make everyone, including the Wilf family, see this. . .as sad as that might be. . .then so be it. I guess it's for the greater good, in that case.

I'm certain that this won't be the last that we discuss the subject of Brad Childress' future. Hopefully we won't have that much longer to talk about it. But the second Randy Moss era in Minnesota has come to a close, and I'm sure we'll all be keeping an eye on Tennessee to see how he fares. And who knows. . .if there's no Brad Childress in Minnesota next year, I suppose that there could even be a third Randy Moss Era in the Twin Cities. But that's another conversation for another time.

Enjoy the rest of your evening, ladies and gentlemen. . .and, hey, starting tomorrow we might even start focusing on the fact that there's a football game on Sunday, now that we've gotten the standard weekly drama out of the way. Crazy, huh?

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Excellent Points

Those were some excellent points. This guy keeps showing his ignorance, and he pulls his insecure, “I’m in charge dammit!!!” crap over and over again. You don’t demand respect, you earn it; that is something he hasn’t done and will not do. I hope we get rid of Chldress sooner rather than later. I’m one who still believes this season is salvageable. Frazier in charge, letting the offensive coordinator and Favre run the offense the way they know how could be all we need. I’m overly optimistic; but hey, I’m a Vikings fan. It comes with the territory.

by B Rad on Nov 4, 2010 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Gates your right on...

I hope some of the other Vikings fans on this site show a little nordic/MN stubborness, and avoid letting this issue die. I’m as sick as everybody of the raw bone, embarrassing around the clock media circus and stories that have followed this transaction, but I truly love these Vikes, and want to see recompense for this non-sensical and non-professional move on Chilly’s part.

The Wilf’s own this team (kind of (partnership)), Spielman, Brezinzski (spelling?) and Chilly run this team; but the blood, sweat and tears are shed by the players and fans. I don’t want to be a whiny vag, but we deserve better.

I’m not a bandwagon guy, but I still feel Moss gave us the best chance to win, and this includes the embattled Fav-ree…Lets pull in the reins, not let this issue drop, and cheer the team to the end. We can love the Vikes, and loathe the coach.

Skol Vikes!

by J.RO on Nov 4, 2010 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Here comes Zygi

According to the Trib the owner is visiting with players. Imagine an owner who stated and I believe him that if he had been in control he would not have allowed the Randy Moss TRADE to Oakland, only to OWN the team and have his man sneak him out on the wave wires. Now I am sure Chilli tells him all sorst of man and nasty things about Mr Moss. Makes sure a rude story get leaked to the press so he does not look so bad (I bet he would not of leaked the BF photo story). Now Mr. Owner is checking out the Coaches stroy with the players was Moss that bad. Would they have wanted Moss to stay. Hopefully he will ask if they thnk Chilli is a good coach. I have for words for the owner FIRE CHILLI HIRE DUNGY. Maybe now and Dungy could try to rght the ship with some minor adjustments on offense and defense. If it fail the he has rest of the season to evaluate players and coaches in actual prep and playing time. Or wait until we are mathmatically out of it or have 7 losses (TICE was 9-7 with a far worse team) and bring in Dungy to evaluate because by that time players will quit or already quit with chilli here. Chilli thinks he made a mistake in bringing MOSS in and so he corrected himself. (Offensive product points otherwise.) Maybe it is time to admit that you made a mistake in hiring and extending this coach and bring in DUNGY. Why not Bevell he is Chilli’s stooge and things will be the same if not worse. Our Defensive coach has his hands full trying to get his talented D to look like it. 0 sacks in thre games (a 1st ever for the VIKINGS) and bad tackling. Vikings fans are beyond upset with this Coach. The Jets got a QB and a coach after BF left and look at them now. We have a lot of peices and you have been willing to spend money not you need a coach that knows how to run a team and make the best use of his players.

by ZygiZag on Nov 4, 2010 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Time for Chilly to go

I also think that the team would rally around Frazier and we could turn this season around. We have to much talent to be 2-5. it has to be done. It’s time to give Chilly the axe

by CarterAD58 on Nov 4, 2010 9:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Where to begin

I applaud Childress for taking the bold step to let Moss go. For a number of reasons.

First of all, if Childress is a fool for letting Moss go, then how is Belichek a genius for doing the same? Does not Belichek see how Welker’s numbers benefitted by Moss’s presence – per your assertion? Or do you see things that are beyond Bill B.? Give me a break. You can’t have your cake and eat it too, as the expression goes.

Childress stepping up and releasing him does exactly what you want it to. It puts him on the hot seat as he was the ONLY one – as you also assert – who had a hand in this decision. He now owns the team and it’s future this season – it’s not Favre, it’s not Moss, it’s plain and simple – it’s Childress. That’s called leadership. He put himself on the firing line, knowing that people like you will take the bait. Honestly, I don’t know if he’s that smart, but it’s a genius management move.

On another front, it’s refreshing to see a leader take charge of a miscreant under his supervision. In the year of 2011, when so many are out of work, when economic hardship has been foisted upon so many families, in greater numbers than anytime since the Great Depression, to tolerate a multimillionaire berating a small business owner who is doing their utmost to do their job, would be malfeasant. Too often, such boorish behavior IS tolerated by those in charge. After all, he’s (the miscreant) the guy who MIGHT make a great TD catch. Too many coaches sell their soul in order to (maybe) get another win. That is so lamentable. But Childress had enough. And he made a decision. And he didn’t throw anybody under the bus in doing it. That’s called integrity. I happen to like it. A lot. It’s a trait rarely seen or exhibited anymore.

Finally, Chilly will most likely be gone after this season or not sooner. But the real crime was bringing in the Diva who threw a key INT to cement your demise last January. And I don’t think that (bringing in diva) was the decision of Childress. And I don’t think it was Childress with the errant throw. And it isn’t Childress, with the woeful numbers this season at the QB position. Face the facts – The Vikings brass decided to mortgage their future on a one shot deal with a guy who has REPEATEDLY failed in clutch situations. I admire Brett, I really do. I think he’s tough as nails. But he’s a loser, not a winner. Childress, I think, recognized this. You fans have not. It’s your loss, and you, not Childress, owns that.

by horace clark on Nov 4, 2010 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, we get it, alright

You hate Brett Favre, because he took your shitty 4-12 football team from drafting in the top 5 to having a chance at a playoff spot in the final week of the season the one year he was there, and because your coach didn’t have the balls to take him out of the lineup because Brett Favre with an injured arm is 10x better than Kellen Clemens on his best day.

Christ, get over it already.

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by Christopher Gates on Nov 4, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why don't you

just read what I wrote, and try to disagree with that rather than spewing some infantile rant about what Favre did with the Jets. If you aren’t man enough, I understand. I sense you lack the integrity that your coach has, and it’s making you feel small. Grow up.

by horace clark on Nov 4, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because everything you post here

Is the same spew.

“I admire Brett, I really do. I think he’s tough as nails. But he’s a loser, not a winner.”

You realize the guy has had something like one losing season in his career, right? Maybe two? And that he has more victories as a starting QB than any QB ever? (Even if most of them came with a team none of us can stand.)

And that guy’s a “loser, not a winner?”

The hell do you know about winning?

We get it. . .you hate Brett Favre. Awesome. Move on, please.

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by Christopher Gates on Nov 4, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um small point Horace...

Since your on your soap box, in the larger sense, integrity is honoring your promises and your contracts. Childress did neither with Moss. Moss acted and did exactly as he promised, no bones about it.

Leadership by tyranny is not stepping up, it is oppressing because you can. I don’t think you know the history of this coach well, and therefore you are speaking from an uniformed position.

And calling a HOF quarterback a loser is adverse to common sense. Just consider it.

by J.RO on Nov 4, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fuzzy point

To say Moss acted and did exactly as he promised… I’m guessing Childress expects a multi-million dollar contract to entail a certain level of effort, both on the field and off. While he had no right to be surprised by his attitude, I think it’s fair to say that any football player dogging it on the field or making trouble for their team isn’t really living up to their promise as an employee.

by CaP'M on Nov 4, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

As Favre stated in teh press conference

Randy can only show up for 50% of the plays and we’re a much better team.

There ya go. Also, I think the disrespect that Childress showed Randy when he was trying to tell the team about the Pat’s tendencies was a serious blow. You don’t disrespect Moss, it’s just a bad bad bad idea. Even Bellicheck never disrespected Moss. He’s the only person people can compare to Rice. That is phenomenal. Honestly, not even paying attention to him is ignorant and a rediculous amount of hubris. And I think in the end it was one of the reasons Moss played so poorly on Sunday.

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by Grime on Nov 5, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll let it go

because you and I will never agree on this point and after all, it’s your blog, not mine, and I respect the effort you put into it.

But I really do NOT hate Favre. I am a Jets fan. I think it was a huge mistake for the Jets to sign him. And it was. I also like the Vikes – I think all fans have other teams that they root for when their team is out of it. I’ve always been partial to the Vikes – love the helmets. But I was on record from day one as saying that bringing in Favre would have long term setbacks for the Vikes UNLESS they win it all in year one. They came close. They lost. They got there because of Brett, and they lost because of Brett. It’s not a love/hate thing. It’s reality. I predicted it would happen, and it did. And Brett has a habit of throwing clutch picks. You can harp on W/L percentages all you want. To me, you either win the SB or you don’t. Period. Anything less is a loss. And it’s hard to win SB’s when your QB doesn’t take care of the ball in clutch situations.

So that’s where I’m coming from. I don’t take pleasure in running down Brett, but I DO take pleasure in running down a bad business decision – and IN MY OPINION they (the Vikes) made one. Now, if they win the bowl this year, I’ll be the first person here to say I was WRONG. Final analysis – Ownership has an obligation to do one of two things – 1) win the sb now or 2) position the team to be better prepared to win the SB next year. The Vikes, by signing Favre, opted for option number 1. I’m OK with that. But in doing so, they threw #2 out the window. Welcome to what I perceive to be a longer than necessary period of rebuilding because of their business decision. That’s my opinion and we shall see how it plays out.

I’m out. Great blog.

by horace clark on Nov 4, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brett Favre made the Jets believe they could win again!

Brett Favre is a winner!

Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!

Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!

Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!

Brett Favre in 2011 is inevitable!

by REVENGE4FAVRE on Nov 4, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you watch the favre presser R4F he had a different look in his eye I think the run starts sunday favre and AP will lead this team to the playoffs +4!!!!!!!!!!!

by cali viking on Nov 4, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bellichik is a genius because he got a #3 for a player that he was phasing out.

He was also winning football games without that player. Childress is an idiot because he spent the #3, never effectively used his talents, then kicked him to the curb for nothing after he grumbled. He didn’t “take charge” as you say, he avoided the issue by eliminating the source. This has nothing to do with integrity, and everything to do with control. With Moss gone he can now go back to blaming his players for his failings.

He has thus far “controlled” us to a 2-5 record with arguably as good of talent as any roster in the league. As a head coach, the man is an incompetent clueless moron, and I’m beginning to think that Zygi is right up there with him as an owner. I can think of few sentiments that I would welcome less than another team’s fan spinning this clown as a man with integrity. If you were a Viking fan for the past 5 years you would probably have sufficient knowledge and perspective, but you obviously don’t, so your opinion is flawed. Chilly’s classless vindictive behavior is well-documented.

Ask yourself this… would Rex Ryan have done the same thing?

by Jshore on Nov 5, 2010 4:30 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Moss wanted a contract that NE wouldn't offer

Perhaps Belichek didn’t think Moss would sustain his play over the next three years, the Patriots letting him go doesn’t mean he wasn’t still a valuable offensive player, at least for this year.

I still think benching him/suspending him would have been just as effective, without being as wasteful or looking as stupid.

by CaP'M on Nov 4, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think talking to him and treating him with respect would have worked out as well

Chilly disrespecting Moss in practice that week (and probably other weeks) was the killing blow. Moss needs respect, if he starts having issues talk to him deal with it if he’s acts like a child (and I saw no supsensions when he was in Pats land) then you’ve failed.

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by Grime on Nov 5, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

What are you talking about

You try to sound like you are addressing the points but you only gloss over them so you can get to your real point about Favre. I don’t know what went down between you and Favre but you sure got a hard on for him. Did he send you some pics?

Your first point is ridiculous. Belichek is smarter than Chilly because he got a 3rd round pick in return. Can you follow that? It is Belichek’s MO to release guys early for picks and deal with the replacements as best he can. He no doubt knew that Welker’s numbers would suffer. But he wanted the picks and maybe he foresaw some antics from Moss coming on.

Calling Childress a genuis for “correcting” a bad management move is idiotic and sounds like some type of Wall St excuse. You know where they gave themselves bonuses from the taxpayer money because now they were correcting their mistakes.

News flash. Good management does not make the move for Moss if it does not know how to use him and his possible antics.

Your paragraph about a leader taking charge because Moss said the food sucks is also out of whack. At the most you fine him and tell him not to do that again. You do not release him.

Your points are weak and transparent and an excuse to talk about your BFF that is now gone.

by MarkSP18 on Nov 5, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Moss just one more example.

The decision Childress made with Moss is just one more in a long line of poor decisions. Childress has not demonstrated the ability to lead this incredibly talented team. He does not offer a vision, he does not inspire confidence and he does not appear to know how to use the talents of the players on the team. Even last year there were times when the offense showed no creativity in the play calling or the use of personnel. Peterson’s statistics are due to his ability and skill; not Childress’ clever coaching skills. The same can be said of Harvin and the rest of the offense and defensive players.

The lack of a challenge on the non-TD in Green Bay, the ill-advised challenge against the Patriots and the kneel down at the half in New England are indicative of the leadership that Childress brings to the head coaching job. The players on this team and the fans of the Vikings deserve much more in a head coach than Childress brings to the job.

by TexasViking on Nov 5, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really. Are you related to Childress? Fermanagh for him? He is a horrible coach ! 12 men on the field after a timeout. A 5th grade flag football coach counts his players as they break from a timeout and Chilly can’t? Heres an idea for play calling Run A.P.

by VikesFan4Life on Nov 6, 2010 1:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Can't disagree with anything on Chilly

You bring in Moss, you know the drill, you had better be able to give him some room to be Moss. Don’t expect a choir boy. That said, I don’t think Moss wanted to be here. He hadn’t done things like this for a few years (other than his last New England press conference). He seemed to be moving in a certain direction back in Minnesota, and it wasn’t one where he was trying to get open. He was moving out the door and Chilly just beat him to it. Looks like to me he had no respect for Childress, even though Favre was here. He wanted out and he made it happen.

While I would have loved to see Moss catch some TDs here, I give Childress credit for seeing a potential locker room poison and getting rid of it before it gets worse. If he sees a guy that won’t hustle in practice or the games, and his talent is no longer good enough to rise above that and help the team win, then the coach has to try to fix it. Because wins is all he’s got left to save his own job.

Did I want to see it happen? No. Did Moss? Maybe. Did it have to happen? Probably. Childress is to blame for no figuring how to make it work, but Moss is every bit as much to blame for not acting like a pro.

Going to be tough, yet interesting to watch him in Tennessee.

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by Joe O on Nov 4, 2010 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I still haven't heard about a locker room cancer...

I did hear about inspiring half-time speaches, and players respecting and learning from a great wide receiver.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Moss bandwagon rider, but I did appreciate his abilty to add another demension to our offense, and yes, I liked the history there. I wish he evolved to be more Cris Carter like, but we will never know, because we did’nt give him time.

The media stuff (most of it was right mind you), and the caterer stuff make him a pain with the public, but the only players jumping on the Chilly bandwagon, and making adverse statements against Moss were non-starters battling to play.

Just sayin’

by J.RO on Nov 4, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear you

He was doing some good things. That’s why I think the hook came a little quick. But I also read the comment that Moss said he was “one and done.” He was planning to move on. If that was his plan now, perhaps we were seeing it manifest itself in not even trying to beat the double coverage—he couldn’t even get open much in single coverage against Comratie (sp). When Randy loses interest, it is over. If he doesn’t have respect for the coach, it can get even worse. I would say talk to him, fine him, suspend him and then waive him. See if you can’t through to him first. But if he wants to be gone—and I believe he did—he’s gone already. And I didn’t see much on the field that showed he felt any different.

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by Joe O on Nov 4, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually agree with most of what you said...

But I really think we are all a little quick to assume what the “one and done” comment meant, especially with and unnamed source, and without pre or post amble to the conversation.

I still believe that Zygi went and got this guy with the promise that MN would be his home for a long time. I remember hearing of promises that the team would treat him straight up at the end of the season. Promises Chilly failed to keep. The only thing that has remained the same is that Chilly continues to withhold information, and snivel when he doesn’t percieve that people are giving him his due.

I don’t think Randy acted any differently than the time he was with the Patriots. Belichek was just a lot more straightforward. Listen to the above post about the ESPN podcast, from music city miracles. Cris Carter explains Randy and this situation perfectly.

I think we all can agree, this was not handled professionally.

by J.RO on Nov 4, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny, I was just listening to it

I do believe, he could be a good locker room guy. I don’t doubt that for minute. I just say when it comes to Randy, you have to bring it out on the field and leave it there. He did when he wanted to. But he didn’t always want to. Favre takes it out there every time. That is the guy I would follow around as my leader. Even Cris Carter admits, he might like Moss, but he really doesn’t get him. There is no way, Childress is going to understand him.

Bottom line is it felt so right when Moss got her four weeks ago, and it went so wrong so quickly. It’s a crying shame. I figure about now he will have a chip on his shoulder and will start playing again. Too late for us.

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by Joe O on Nov 4, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

vg piece 5/5 *'s

I agree w/ everything 100%.
B C makes it hard for me to watch my purple ppl each sunday!
I’m so sick of his unimaginative, predictable & flat-out bad coaching style.
He cuts 84 but keeps Berrian, 9/87/0 tds in 7 gms?
HE NEEDS TO GO!

SKOL! Dawgs

by WarriorViking on Nov 4, 2010 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Be glad when Childress is gone

I said it when Childress was hired and I will repeat it today, the only way the Vikings are going to the Super Bowl with Childress as head coach is in a bus with Childress driving it for the players to watch two other teams play in the Super Bowl. What is the point with keeping him as the Head Coach. Once you know he can not coach the team to the championship, why keep him around?

As far as Randy Moss is concerned, he is a Viking Great. Childress should have never brought him in if he could not structure his so called “kick ass” offense around his talents. Like him or not, Moss is a factor for defenses to scheme against when he is on the field. Watch the production that he will have with the Titans with a mobile QB and a head coach that has a clue.

As far as this year is concerned, I would rather lose every game remaining if it would mean we could finally get a Head Coach that had a championship background. Also, I am tired of hearing about Farve this or Farve that. He is 41 years old and it is time for him to retire. Father time catches up to everyone.

by Tnshow_knoxville on Nov 4, 2010 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay..one last time with Favre

Let it go, and I ask that you take a second to consider that every game Farve plays, with his grit and determination, at a grandfatherly age, taking beatings and coming back for more; accepting his failures, owning responsibilty, and never once claiming to be anything other than what we see……is something that you will probably never see again in the NFL. (with the exception of Peyton).

Just appreciate it, and shut up. If you don’t want to hear it, don’t bring it up. You and I could not do it, and I’m 10 years younger. Guys miss games because of turf toe and stitches in thier foreheads, not to mention hurt feelings, mental anguish, and colds.

He has, and is doing something cool. This is his last year, and you won’t be bothered by his old a$$ anymore.

Skol Vikes!

by J.RO on Nov 4, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

my take

There is a limit in what a person’s body can take. For example, Earl Campbell was a great running back; however, today he can not even stand. Do you want to see Farve end up in a condition like that? I do not. What I said about Father Time is the truth and it has caught up with Farve. He can still throw the ball; however, he doesn’t have mobility any more to escape the rush which is why he is taking a beating.

Now, with Moss gone, Farve has an even bigger X on his back. Without a deep threat, teams are going to blitz and blitz so it is highly likely Farve is going to take a beating even more so now. Think of Ali in his fight with Holmes, senseless beating when you look back on it now but when it was going on everyone was hoping Ali would defy the odds and win the championship.

So whats the point? What is left for Farve to prove? He is going down as a great player. He has a Super Bowl ring. He an MVP. He has every record for a QB. If the season continues to go down hill, I see no reason for Farve to keep going out their and taking these beatings. Nor is their any reason to keep the media circus going on. 9 games is not as important as long term health is.

 

do you really think Farve is going to magically turn it around and the Vikings will suddenly go to the Super Bowl? I just don’t see it happening. I remember watching Marino being carried off the field in a playoff game and I remember seeing Stabler get destroyed by the Bears in 85.

by Tnshow_knoxville on Nov 4, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Favre is not a quitter.

He came to play this year and that is what he will do until his throwing arm falls off or the season ends. I think if Chilly or anybody tries to bench him, he will not sit on the bench. If he can’t contribute on the field, he will walk off into the sunset.

That being said. I hope he is able to WALK off into that sunset. But, unless Sidney gets back soon, I don’t know if Brett will be able to stand the beating he is going to get, now that his only deep threat was so unceremoniously kicked to the curb by the clueless one.

by bf4mvp on Nov 5, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

More moss stats

He had more catches than Berrian in 4 less games.

He averaged more ypg than everyone but Harvin.

He did better here in 4 games than he did in NE with Brady in the first 4 games.

Also, his last game, he had like 8 total yards. So it’s more like 3 games.

He was useful, and I’m sure glad we threw a pick away to get rid of him.

by loldotcom on Nov 4, 2010 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

point taken...

if the catering thing was such an issue, then why did Moss play Sunday given that it happened on Friday? Clearly, the reason Moss is gone is because of that rambling post game “self interview” where he basically called out Chilly—A lot of people are reporting that there’s plenty of players in the locker room who think Chilly is incompetent and Moss just happens to lack the inability to keep it to himself….lets face it- there’s a reason why Moss has been avoiding the media since he got here to the point he got fined $25000- b/c he doesn’t trust himself to say the right things in front of the camera- I mean Percy Harvin basically called out Chilly too but it wasn’t as widely reported as what Moss said……and say what you will about Moss the fact is the Vikes are averaging 7 more points a game with him and the Pats are averaging 8 points less without him- i doubt this is a coincidence and if Chilly hadn’t been stubborn with the playcalling- we probably wouldn’t have gone 1-3 in the last month…I’m not one of those who thinks firing him midseason is gonna do any good, but if he can’t at least get the team to .500 by the end of the season- he’s most likely gone- and frankly i would trade him to have #84 back

by ysoserious on Nov 4, 2010 10:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Hi guys (and gals)

What is the story on Wilf meeting with coaches and players. I missed something?
Thanks

by CitrusFLViking on Nov 4, 2010 10:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Childress

I’ve been a longtime Viking fan for 41 years. I’ve lived through the many highs as well as the lows. I didn’t know what to think when Childress was first hired but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He caused me to raise my eyebrows his first year when he refused to allow his quarterback to audible and released players for simply disagreeing with him. The result in the win-loss column was predictable. Over the next two years the team got better as Ziggy spent the bucks Red never did to bring in talent and the team started winning again. Still, the offense never seemed to rise to the “kick-ass” level that the coach advertised even after the acquisition of Adrian Peterson. It was only after Brett Favre was coaxed out of retirement and given a freer hand in running the offense that we saw offensive potential finally realized.

Yet something still appeared wrong. Midway through last season the offense that was scoring at will went into a funk and the rumor was that Childress and Favre were having a war of wills over how to run it. I had a hard time believing that the same team I was used to seeing looked that bad it took the field against Arizona, Carolina, and the first half against Chicago. Then in the second half of the Bears game the team magically reappeared and put 30 points on the board before losing in OT. It seemed they were back on track all the way to the NFC Championship. Now I don’t know what happened in that halftime lockerroom in Chicago but I don’t believe the team just threw the switch and started playing again.

The point of this is that when the chips are down for the Vikings, the one person who should be held responsible for predictable playcalling, unacceptable penalties, poor clock management, and just flat out being outcoached by opposing teams refuses to take the blame. I’m of the opinion that the Vikings won those games in spite of the head coach, not because of him. Sadly, they’ll continue on their downward spiral until he’s gone.

by purplegrey on Nov 4, 2010 10:52 PM CDT reply actions  

The lack of foresight is alarming

If you’re Childress, you have to understand there can be immediate issues with a Moss-type personality. To me, it’s unfathomable to not see it through to the end of the season. What’s the risk? Really, there’s no downside besides increased media coverage, but Brett has that covered. Just listen to what Randy has to say about teams’ tendencies, and in return, tell him to not talk much to journalists or caterers.

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by propheteer on Nov 4, 2010 11:04 PM CDT reply actions  

As a Childress hater...

I am really hoping Moss does well in Tennessee just to show what a good coach can do with a very talented “diva”. It will hopefully be 1 more bit of proof as to why Chilly needs to go.

I would love to see Chilly fired ASAP, with Frazier taking over. I think it would be a huge morale boost for the players and fans, and we might actually have a chance at a Wild Card in a weak NFC.

I also expect alot of boos from the faithful this week unless we can come out and destroy the Cards.

by San Diego Viking on Nov 5, 2010 12:06 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

This is one of your best pieces, Gonzo

Much respect for the way it’s written. Well done.

That being said, I would like to cast my vote for Brad Childress to remain head coach of the Vikings forever and ever.

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by Mitchell Maurer on Nov 5, 2010 12:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Fortunately, your vote doesn't count

So you’ll shut your whorish mouth is what you’ll do. (-:

I kid. . .I’m sure your mouth isn’t really whorish.

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by Christopher Gates on Nov 5, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

AT LEAST NOT ANYMORE.

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by Mitchell Maurer on Nov 5, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's an idea: Let's all go away

If we all stop participating in Vikings blogs, maybe the front office will notice.

How about we all stop doing any of this for a few weeks? I can find other things to do.

See ya.

by jimbo55403 on Nov 5, 2010 1:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Is the season over yet?

The sooner this nightmare ends, the better.

by PurpleEaters on Nov 5, 2010 1:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Good luck Mr. Fisher

He should have promoted Mr. Mariani…great talent, no drama. Any news about Colt Anderson lately?

by BigSkyViking on Nov 5, 2010 2:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Glad to hear

Thanks for pointing out the part about the zone blocking. That’s something that’s been driving me crazy for years. You bring in a guy like Hutch—the best player at his position in the league—then tell him, “you know how you used to block? Don’t do it like that anymore!”

Brilliant!

Big Mac and Loadholt would be infinitely more effective in a traditional blocking scheme.

A good coach makes his team better, he doesn’t wait for a better team to make him look good.

by dwarg on Nov 5, 2010 4:17 AM CDT reply actions  

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!

Anyone that knows anything about MOSS knows you have to get the ball to him early in the game if you don’t do this he gets mad and quits.

The problem with childress is as his team has gotten better from 6-10 to12-4.he himself has NOT become a better head coach.

I was looking forward to MOSS wide left RICE wide right with PERCY in the slot.

But no chilli had to cut off his ears to spite his fat bald head

And you are so right about the o-line these linemen are not athletic enough for zone blocking.they need to be man blocking.

I hope we won’t get stuck with 4 more years of this clown.

by Bako- on Nov 5, 2010 4:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Childress should take some time and learn from the best (Bud Grant). A good coach uses his players to the best of the players ability. Anything else is overblown ego

by Roy Rodgers on Nov 5, 2010 6:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Fine plan, but when youre dealing with Moss, that goes out the window

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by NMVike on Nov 5, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

The thing that amazes me

is that he traded for him in the first place. When he had that blow up with TO in Philly, I thought he would never pursue a diva type like Randy.

But when he did, Chilly had an obligation to work with him and get him in the offense. Like Chris mentioned, did he do anything other than let Moss run right into double coverage on every play? No.

Did he do anything schematically to get Moss the ball? No. Other than maybe the first drive of the second half against Dallas, where Moss caught two or three passes on crossing and out routes. That. Is. It.

A guy like Moss acts like…Moss, and you’re surprised, and then in a reactionary, “Oh My God What DId I Do” moment you cut him?

What a friggin’ dope.

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by Ted Glover on Nov 5, 2010 7:26 AM CDT reply actions  

The more I read about the whole Moss mess the more I think Zygi got Moss instead of Childress.

It doesn’t make any sense for Childress to pursue Moss for the reasons you mentioned concerning Randy’s attitude and work ethic issues. On the other hand getting Moss makes sense on every level for Wilf. He was upset that Moss was traded before he owned the team, Moss is a fan favorite and is a great PR move for a new stadium, and this was an attempt to spark our team back into contention. This also explains why Childress went outside normal channels to waive Moss without telling anybody about it first and the comment about not caring if it cost him his job when he informed the players.

I know I’m reading between the lines quite a bit here but my scenario explains a lot of the weirdness that surrounds the acquisition of Moss and the strange way that Childress got rid of him. I think Childress figured Moss was going to get him fired one way or another so he decided to dump Moss and go out on his own terms. Does my logic make sense or am I just trying to make sense out of a senseless situation?

by CanadianViking on Nov 5, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I can see that

But I think Chilly had to be on board, at least initially.

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by Ted Glover on Nov 5, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would he have much choice if he wasn't on board?

I’m not absolving Childress of any blame because he still handled the situation as badly as you could handle it, I’m just trying to rationalize it all a bit so I don’t get too angry : )

by CanadianViking on Nov 6, 2010 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good write up Chris

It’s pretty much exactly how I feel about the situation. Moss was brought in for what he did, Childress couldn’t handle it and disrespect Moss at workouts when Moss was trying to show Pats tendencies. You don’t have to be a brain scientist fo figure that’s going to piss Moss off.

Remember what Sage said after he left. He never knew what was going on with him in the team because he didn’t trust chilly.

Basically the guy is a terrible people person and a terrible coach. I can totally see why he’s working in Minnesota as our head coach. He was hired by Green Bay!

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Nov 5, 2010 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

if you can’t find a way to fit a talent like Randy Moss into your system, then it’s safe to assume that your system straight-up, flat-out, indisputably and inarguably sucks

And what of the fact that Bill Belichek no longer could, either. Does his system suck? It’s not like he got rid of Randy because he had a more attractive option behind him (a la Rodgers for Favre). He actually had to go and trade a 4th for Deon Branch in order to fill out his receiver corps again.

Maybe I should just give this up. After 4 straight days & dozens of posts on this, my hearts just not in this, I have emotionally moved on already & don’t want to go back. Sorry. I’ll just leave it at this point.

by puddnhead on Nov 5, 2010 8:59 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Think you missed the point there. BB changed the philosophy of New England’s offense. More short passes to tight ends and people like Welker and Woodhead. Yards after catch etc. Therefore he traded away Moss for a 3rd round pick and brought in a guy that isn’t really a deep threat as a replacement. Dionne Branch compliments the way BB wants to go. Chilly on the other hand actually wanted a deep threat, traded for it, got the ideal receiver to give him the deep threat but then didn’t seem to put it into the game plan much.

Reports now saying Moss flat out went into the locker room and told the owners Chilly is not a good coach and should be fired. Wow. If that is true then the coach has no choice but to cut the player.

by UK Viking fan on Nov 5, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Until Childress is Gone, I'm gone.

I have been a loyal Vikings fan since the first day they came to Minnesota. There have been a lot of fun times but there has been a lot of embarrassment through those years. None, worse than right now. It is not just the Moss issue, but it is certainly to last straw. Until Childress is gone, I’m gone. There are lots of things to do on Sunday’s more enjoyable than watching arrogant incompetence. And not only won’t I be supporting a new stadium, I will actively be working against it.

by Vikings Pride on Nov 5, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I can understand being too frustrated with Chilly to watch the games but I don't understand how this affects your support of a new stadium.

I have no say in the matter of a new stadium, but the Vikings will be around much longer than Childress, and even a bad coach shouldn’t sour you on your favorite teams future in your state. Hate Chilly as much as you want but please don’t let him ruin your support of the team as a whole.

by CanadianViking on Nov 5, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I stopped reading after it was clear this was another Childress bash fest

I wasn’t in the locker room. I wasn’t at any of their practices or meetings. How do I know that Moss wasn’t more concerned with having his own ideas implemented than he was in learning the vikings playbook?

From the stories leading up to and his comments after the Pats game, it seems like Moss wasn’t interested on getting on the same page with his new bosses.

What was Childress supposed to do, throw out their own playbook, which the team is still struggling to execute, and put in the plays that Moss wanted to run? To that I say hell no. There’s 52 other guys on this squad. We don’t know what really went on. We don’t know what Moss’ learning curve was for the west coast offense.

But I do think we know that Moss’ desire to be in Minny and his effort to execute the plays that were called was on the thin side. And for that I wouldn’t blame any coach for not making Moss a focal point.

Cris Carter said it best, you don’t treat anyone the way Moss did during the last 4 weeks. And if you truly are a #1 receiver and get double-teamed, you still make plays.

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-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Nov 5, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I think Moss meant more to the passing game than he gets credit for

Your post makes a lot of sense. With Moss, the passing offense opened up and heck I think running was easier for AP too. He might not hae been making big plays as often but he was a guy who spread out the D and made everyone else look better. Harvins numbers will very likely drop like Welkers as they are very similar kinds of players in how they are used.

by TrevorR on Nov 5, 2010 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

What I would like to see

Favre should change every playcall Chilly sends in. I’m pretty sure Brett can call plays better than Chilly. It would be fun to watch Chilly’s face when Brett changes calls and the plays actually work for a change.

And if I was Brett I’d get with T-Jack and have him change playcalls too. Chilly would pull Favre and then T-Jack would still change the plays. Chilly would have a stroke! LOL.

by Ragnar on Nov 5, 2010 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Question: I have Pearcy on my fantasy team. Does anybody have an update as to whether he will be playing Sunday or not?

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by Kimble_79 on Nov 5, 2010 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

*Percy…sorry.

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by Kimble_79 on Nov 5, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Childress said last night that his rehab has not progressed well, and he is visibly limping. So it’s not looking good, no.

by puddnhead on Nov 5, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

dude you stole manimals pic!

by iseepurplepeople on Nov 5, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

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by Kimble_79 on Nov 5, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Titans!!!

I hope Randy Moss goes off with the Titans, and Jeff Fisher shows just how inflexible Childress was with incorporating Moss’s into our offense!!!!

I’m becoming a Titans fan for the rest of this year, in hopes that Randy makes Chilly shove it!

by solafide on Nov 5, 2010 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow Gates

We are litterally on the same PAGE with this whole subject.

Before you even said it, I was thinking… Moss 3.0 post-Childress era. Remember folks, Ziggy wanted this guy, and I am pretty SURE he is upset that he was let go. That is why he has been investigating with veterans on the team on the whole Moss fiasco. 2 days in a row he has been watching them practice, eating in the team cafeteria, and talking with players, and also Brad Childress.

Yes, ladies & gents, I can probably assure you that Childress is on a HOT SEAT!

Oh, here is something even MORE interesting. We release MOSS, Rice still isn’t back, and now Percy is likely to be questionable for the Cards game.

That means.. Hank Basket for Moss’s spot, and Camarillo for Percy’s spot. Both that don’t have a full grasp of the playbook or a whole lot of playing that position in the Vikings team, except for practice.

This Cardinals game will likely only be won by a strong run-game & great defense.

Percy has had quite the last 4 games, YES! They weren’t enough to win the games, but, you know Moss contributed to that.

Also, you know many fans were fanatic about the return of Moss.. But Childress has an ego.. Childress has an ego that goes.. “My way or the highway… Unless your Favre… Than we make exceptions, but only so far.”

Regardless of the selfishness, antics, and all that jazz that Moss brought, the Vikings were STILL better with him. And even Chilldress is having second thoughts on letting him go.. You know it, because not only is the OWNER looking into the ordeal, the media is scrutinizing him, and the players are shocked.

That tells you something!

by Deek on Nov 5, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

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