Stock Market Report, Week 14
I've started this story three or four times now, and I just don't know where to take this. I feel kind of rudderless, like the football team that I cheer for, to be quite honest. There is no starting quarterback, no permanent head coach; hell, there's no stadium to play in right now. This loss exposed this team to the bone, and as I type this, there are far more questions than there are answers.
As I watch Brett Favre's post game presser, it feels more like a goodbye than a 'what just happened' or a 'what's going to happen next week' kind of thing. Not a retirement, but goodbye. It's over. No, really. Finally, it's done. And it's time.
And I'm sad, in many ways. I'm going to miss Brett Favre, but that's not why I'm bummed out.
This loss was the ignominious 'thud' to a 2010 season that has been one of the weirdest, craziest, and flat out whacky seasons in the Vikings 50 year history. It was not supposed to be this way, but it is what it is. But in another sense, it has given us a glimpse into what the near future holds, and unless the Vikings can make some rather dramatic personnel changes in a single off-season, the future looks pretty uninspiring.
I really thought that this would be a once in a lifetime season. Ironically, it has been, just not in the way I envisioned when training camp began:
You may ask yourself: How did I get here? Same as it ever was. SMR, after the jump.
Blue Chip Stocks:
Brett Favre, QB. 297 consecutive NFL starts. Let that sink in for a minute, and then tip your cap. Favre, love him or hate him, has had a career we won't see again in our lifetime, more than likely. Bad shoulder, broken thumb, tendinitis, broken ankle, Dad dying, leg amputation*, it didn't matter. Brett Favre starting in the National Football League every Sunday since the tail end of the first George Bush administration is a remarkable achievement, and it was fun to be emotionally invested in it, in some way, for almost his entire career.
Brett Favre will mostly be remembered as a Green Bay Packer, and he should be. But we can say that his finest season in the NFL was while he was wearing Purple and Gold. From the bottom of my heart, Brett, thank you. Thanks for being a warrior, thanks for busting your ass for the Vikings, thanks for trying to get us to the Promised Land. We got a lot closer than we would have if you hadn't come here, and my Dad and I thank you for the effort.
*Didn't really happen, just seems like it.
Chris Kluwe, P. If your punter is the headliner of guys that actually played, it was a rough night. Kluwe, which is Aramaic for bad ass punter, was money once again. Booming punts, 10 of them (Jesus, 10 punts!!) pinning the Giants deep all night, just a phenomenal performance all the way around.
Lorenzo Booker, RB/KR. For a guy that was playing in the UFL a few weeks ago, Booker's performance was pretty impressive. Well, his special teams play was impressive. It was really the only--and I mean only--highlight of the second half, so it couldn't help but stand out. I don't know if it's impressive or damning that a RB from the UFL can come in and so quickly make an impact on an NFL roster that has Adrian Peterson on it.
Solid Investments:
Greg Camarillo, PR. Man, that 57 yard punt return was fun, wasn't it? I mentioned in the game thread that I really like Camarillo as a punt returner. He's not fast, but he fields the ball and immediately goes north-south and gets 5-10 yards. Not spectacular, but real solid. So of course, he fields a punt, goes north, then east, then west, then south, breaks a tackle, sends a couple of texts, does a pirouette, and then heads north. 57 yards later the Vikings are in business. Spectacular. I'd like to see Camarillo in purple next year. He's one of those blue collar guys that you just love to cheer for. I'd love to cheer for him next year.
Joe Webb, The Greatest QB to Never Play A Full Game. Yes, as is the custom among many fanbases, third stringer Joe Webb has been anointed as the next Chosen One based on a few pre-season runs...and on the general terrible play of Tarvaris Jackson. I don't know that Joe Webb is going to be great or if he's going to suck, but Webb had absolutely no fear on his first throw--deep sideline ball to Sidney Rice that Rice should've caught. I'd like to think he provided a spark, but maybe he just showed a pulse, which is more than Jackson did. Hell, start him. What do the Vikings have to lose at this point?
Special Teams Coverage: Punt coverage, kick coverage, it didn't matter--it was solid all night long.
Junk Bonds:
Tarvaris Jackson, QB. I have been a guy who has given Tarvaris Jackson the benefit of the doubt, but no more. Yes, I was in the 'since the Vikings aren't going to the playoffs let's give TJ a chance' camp, and I got my way. He's been given a chance, and Jackson is what he is---not a very good quarterback, and a guy that can't carry a team. He's had a rough go of it from the moment he got drafted, but every time TJ has been given an opportunity to seize the reins as the starting QB, he has fallen off the horse. Spectacularly. Tonight was no exception, and in many ways this was the perfect opportunity for him. It was a neutral site game, so the crowd wouldn't be an influence either way. He had a healthy Sidney Rice and Adrian Peterson, and still couldn't get it done. Hell, he coudn't even get it started. With Jackson running the offense, the Minnesota Vikings looked like they were anywhere from day three of training camp to halway through the second pre-season game.
For those of you that will throw out excuses like the line sucked, or there was no running game, or whatever, I say tough. In 2009, the o-line was mediocre, the running game disappeared for quarters at a time, and Favre was able to overcome it. Heck, even this year Favre--at 41 years old--was able to keep the Vikings in the game with the same conditions and standards that were presented to TJ tonight. there was nothing in his game tonight--nothing--that gives me confidence in his ability to lead this football team. It is time to move on.
The Offensive Line. Even Adrian Peterson can't make things happen with the defensive line in the backfield as soon as he got the handoff. The interior of the line was especially putrid, as Chris DeGeare, John Sullivan, and Ryan Cook were as effective in stopping the Giants interior line as the Maginot Line was in keeping the Germans out of France in 1940. What's amazing is that the Vikings didn't try more rollouts, or draw plays, or screens. Hell, it was just a terrible performance.
The Run Defense. About midway through the third quarter, I really thought I was watching a B-level horror movie. It was like Saw IX, with Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw just running at will over the Vikings. I can't remember the last time that both the Vikings offensive and defensive lines just flat out got their ass kicked on both sides of the ball all game long. Other than Kevin Williams, who had several tackles for loss, both sides of the ball got their asses handed to them from about midway through the first quarter on.
Asher Allen falls to his knees after getting beat deep. Madieu WIlliams is on the bike in the
background, and he was still late getting over to help. Brett Favre lights a smoke and laughs.
Asher Allen, CB. Allegedly. Allen was a comedic train wreck, wasn't he? Nice pick in the first quarter, but apparently Allen went in to the 'rest on my laurels' defense after that, because he got burned from that point on. Had Eli Manning not overthrown a WIDE open Hakeem Nicks it would've been 28-3. Allen can't cover, he can't play run support, so this year that makes him the PERFECT CB for the Vikings, save for Antoine Winfield.
The Metrodome. A 30 year disaster deflates. Can we just set that building on fire? Die, Metrodome, die.
Buy/Sell:
Buy: Playing at TCF Bank Stadium. For the celebration of the 50th Anniversary Team, I think it would be appropriate to play outside, in the elements, wearing the throwback uniforms. With Fran Tarkenton as the starter for the real team. Just sayin'...
Sell: Playing Another 'Home' Game outside of Minneapolis. I hate the 'Dome, but I'd much rather they play there than Detroit again. Or St. Louis, or Indy.
Buy: Sidney Rice. Sid had a pretty good game. It's just too bad it was overshadowed by the other 10 guys playing like ass.
Sell: TJ's Knee Running Into AP's Knee. When I was stationed in Korea, I bought some cheap, Japanese bushido swords. When I saw that happen, I almost felt like committing ritual hari kari. And I would've done it with a rusty butter knife.
Buy: Nothing Else. It was that bad.
Sell: Just About Everything Else. Seriously, for one night, the Vikings really, really sucked. If you taped the game, don't watch it. I beg you.
Well, the Vikings have been officially eliminated, yet we have three games left, with a Monday Night game at home...maybe...against Chicago up next.
Well, not much else to say. Does anyone here remember the show Dallas? It was a night time drama on CBS back in the 1980's, and there was this one episode where Bobby Ewing (Patrick Duffy) was unexpectedly killed at the end of the season. Fans of the show were up in arms and demanded that something be done, so for the next season premiere the first episode was nothing but his wife 'dreaming' that he was killed, and it never happened. The whole previous season...POOF! Gone!
Can we do that here? No?
Damn it.
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Buy: Not being able to watch the game on TV
Buy: Ted’s Articles
Thank you Ted for giving me a laugh after that massacre that some may refer to as a football game. Life sucks being deployed… life sucks not being able to watch my favorite team (even this season). You make it a little more bearable. Hats off!
SKOL VIKINGS!
Ted's Articles
Agreed. Thanks Ted for helping with my therapy … much cheaper than alcohol
(not that I am actually going to choose one or the other)
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by Admiral BigGun on Dec 14, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
A BIG thank You 92Y
As a veteran, I thank You from the bottom of my heart for your service to our country. You ARE appreciated. Merry Christmas, brother.
I do not understand
Your love for Favre. I am Jet fan and he cost us a season when he was injured and hid it in order to keep his streak alive. He gave you a great season last year, but what happened this year is his fault. He was injured but refused to be taken out. If you are bad next year, that will be his fault because he selfishly refused to allow himself to be taken out, so you really do not know what you have. You got Moss in order to please him and lost a draft pick next year. He left Green Bay because they were looking to the future. He was a talented but very selfish man, and you will be paying the price for many years in the future. One good year and no SB, one year and no chance for the playoffs, because he did not want to take the same responsibilities of a normal player. And you love him.
Good thing those tickets were free
Otherwise they’d all be demanding their money back
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Dec 14, 2010 5:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Looking ahead to next year, who is going to be our franchise QB?
personally even if we draft a qb, I don’t think they are going to be ready to start ….. so does that mean we are stuck with TJ for a little while longer or will Webb step up- which I don’t think will happen since he is going to be converted back to a WR …… damn we are screwed
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
~Mark Twain
by meno on Dec 14, 2010 7:13 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Be careful what you ask for
everyone wanted Tj and you got your wish. Brett has not been the problem. the defense has been horrible, the Oline can’t protect or run block, AP can’t run consistantly, and without Sid and a hurt Percy, no WRs. all of that and Brett kept the vikes in every game. even at 41 he can carry a team. if he had gotten a little help from the defense or the oline the vikes would be in the playoffs.
by FlFan on Dec 14, 2010 7:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
You hit the target on accident.
Regardless of who is at QB for this time, the Giants proved the point yesterday that the major problem with this team is the OLine. There was no pass blocking, no run blocking, no one picking up stunts, and no blitz recognition. There is no QB that we could bring in that would succeed in this environment. It’s not possible, ask David Carr.
If the QB get’s hit on 75% of drop backs, the there is a bigger problem than the QB. When your starting RB is hit in the backfield on half the running attempts, there is a bigger problem than the QB.
The Giants exposed the Vikings, the same way the team has been exposed all season. Corners are playing the Vikings for the short passes, knowing that the DLine is going to get pressure. Teams can play man d against the Vikings because the QB isn’t going to have enough time to find the open receiver.
So while everyone is bashing TJ, and he’s an easy target, why ignore the bigger problem?
"Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend."
Bruce Lee (1/27/40 - 7/20/73)
by Marcus.Grayson on Dec 14, 2010 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
This is spot on
Tom Brady couldn’t have made any passes in that pocket.
No you do have to admit the Giants to have an excellent defensive line
So yeah we got crushed by them but that doesn’t mean we are doomed.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I Don't Think
Anyone will argue with you that our offensive line is horrendous at best. Sadly, the QB that was operating behind the offensive line is even more horrendous.
People keep saying, “Well, Tom Brady wouldn’t have done well behind that offensive line last night. Blah, blah, blah…” I seem to remember a certain QB in Green Bay playing behind a terrible offensive line last year that got his team to the playoffs with an 11-5 record despite the horrendous protection he got from the offensive line.
Jackson is simply not an NFL caliber QB. Never has been, never will be.
I AM VIKING, HEAR ME ROAR!!!
People weren’t calling for T-Jack because we thought he was going to magically fix everything. It was because we knew the season was lost and it was time to see if he had finally deveoped into the QB that would carry us forward. I, for one, am glad we are getting the chance to see this before (hopefully before) next season is lost too.
Good article Ted
Right now, at a loss to what to say about things as well. Though, I think this song by The Talking Heads might be a little more appropriate right now.
Vikings 2010: Episode 2, A New Hope - The Alliance for Vikings sanity have struck back. The evil Childress has been fired. Hope has been reinstated with the naming of Frazier as Head Coach.
Funny, but I embedded that one first before I went with the one I did
as it was one of my four ‘original’ openings.
You should be terrified that your mind even remotely thinks like mine. I implore you to seek medical care.
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"A parent's only as good as their dumbest kid. If one wins a Nobel Prize but the other gets robbed by a hooker, you failed."
There is no help for me
I’ve already given myself to the Dark Side! lol
Vikings 2010: Episode 2, A New Hope - The Alliance for Vikings sanity have struck back. The evil Childress has been fired. Hope has been reinstated with the naming of Frazier as Head Coach.
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 14, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
Oh hell no!
As Bugs Bunny said….“This means war”! lol
Vikings 2010: Episode 2, A New Hope - The Alliance for Vikings sanity have struck back. The evil Childress has been fired. Hope has been reinstated with the naming of Frazier as Head Coach.
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 14, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
Good article, but why the pic?
Ted,
You did a nice job with this article, but trying to find humor using a picture of a Buddhist monk self immolating is absolutely tasteless.
So is the Vikings 2010 season
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"A parent's only as good as their dumbest kid. If one wins a Nobel Prize but the other gets robbed by a hooker, you failed."
Yeah, the Vikings' 2010 season is tasteless
But, nobody actually burnt themselves alive in protest. There are many of us who believe we live and die with the fate of the Purple every Sunday, but we still get up the next day and go about our lives no matter what kinda sh*t we see on the gridiron. It’s just football, dude. I have to agree with HtownVike on this one. It’s an offensive metaphor.
by virginia viking on Dec 14, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was funny
Which was the point, I’m guessing.
Well, I’m sure that was the point, too. However, who finds humor in the picture of a person committing suicide? That’s twisted, man.
I sort of agree with you Htown, but......
what is weird is the two other blokes in the picture, one relaxing with a smoke, seem to be entertained. Why aren’t they helping the guy?
I am...
shocked, stunned, disappointed, disgusted, surprised, depressed, floored, astonished, dazed, confused, sorrowful, astounded, stupefied, mournful, heavyhearted… and basically feel like the entire team kicked me in the gut.
Purple blood oozes from my motionless body as i sink into thoughts of what might have been.
oh… "f " it… LETS JUST THUMP THE CRAP out of the bears… THAT might pep me up some!!
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Agreed
Last night was an unmitigated disaster. This season is a total waste of time.
So, to hell with it—pummel the Bears.
by Midnight Rambler on Dec 14, 2010 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if Kluwe can throw the ball?
Start him against Bears.
by abba7 on Dec 14, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He is what we thought he is
Feel free to laugh, but I’ve seen enough of Jackson. Let’s let Webb play a few games. We’re not in it to win it any more. Time to see the players on next year’s team play a bit.
yeah lets
pull some of those guards and tackles from our practice squad and play them too, because our Oline just plain sucked last night. And just maybe the Giants front four are just good, its hard to tell
by midnightwonder on Dec 14, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
I think 2/5s of the O-line were backups, anyway.
Somehow, I doubt the practice squad is any better. It’s clearly a position set Spielman’s gonna have to think about this Spring.
by virginia viking on Dec 14, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Chris DeGeare, John Sullivan, and Ryan Cook were as effective in stopping the Giants interior line as the Maginot Line was in keeping the Germans out of France in 1940
For god’s sake, people. Stop using this as an analogy. It doesn’t work.
The Germans never busted through the Maginot Line, they simply went around it. Technically the Maginot Line did its job perfectly. There was nothing wrong with it, other than the fact that it didn’t extend into Belgium.
IDK...
looked to me like the Giants were going around DeGear, Sullivan and Cook pretty much every play.
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by Admiral BigGun on Dec 14, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions

Since I love history so I thought I’d quickly look into that and you are indeed correct.
The French established the fortification to provide time for their army to mobilize in the event of attack and/or to entice Germany to attack neutral Belgium to avoid a direct assault on the line. The success of static, defensive combat in World War I was a key influence on French thinking. The fortification system successfully dissuaded a direct attack. However, it was strategically ineffective, as the Germans did indeed invade Belgium, flanked the Maginot Line, and proceeded relatively unobstructed.1 It is a myth however that the Maginot Line ended at the Belgian border and was easy to circumvent.2 The fortifications were connected to the Belgian fortification system, of which the strongest point was Fort Eben-Emael. The Germans broke through exactly at this fortified point with a unique assault that incorporated gliders and shaped explosive charges. The surrender of the fort, in less than two days, allowed the invasion of France.
I thought the french flag...
… was completely white? ;-P
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by Admiral BigGun on Dec 14, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Naw
Only for national Holiday’s do they revert back to the blue, red and white one.
Vikings 2010: Episode 2, A New Hope - The Alliance for Vikings sanity have struck back. The evil Childress has been fired. Hope has been reinstated with the naming of Frazier as Head Coach.
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 14, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
lol, i actually thought of commenting on that earlier, but given the way I was reamed and mocked for correcting another innacurate historical reference earlier this season in one of these posts, I just held my piece. I think many people here really aren’t interested in knowing correct history.
by puddnhead on Dec 14, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Who cares it's history!
and blah blah blah doomed to repeat it…
Yeah I’ve been divorced three times but I don’t know what that has to do with anything! :D
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
LOL
I actually remember the Mussolini piece you are referencing Puddn – And I only Wikipediad this but it seems like a pretty well written, informative article. I like how ever time you reference it it says “An Appeal From Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales – Please send me our fine website money.” (You were correct about Mussolini doing a good job at building infrastructure and so forth btw.)
the analogy....
is PERFECT. Our o-line is about as mobile as the Maginot line! Think I heard Loadholt comment once “Damn, that turtle’s fast!”.
The analogy works just fine
Giants were running around McKinney throughout the game… probably Loadholt too, but I can’t really remember that.
What's up with AP's lack of running game?
Was our O-line that bad or was their D-Line that good? How do you think AP would have done if he was running against the Vikes …God forbid? Just seems to me, even though he leads the league in yards, that he really struggles at times. I don’t know if you hang that all on the O-line or not. All I know is we made two good NYG running backs look frickin great and we made one great running back [AP] look horrible. I’m disgusted!
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
TJack's to blame
When the opposition doesn’t take your QB seriously, they can focus on eliminating the running back from the game. Add to that, TJack and Peterson banging knees, it became obvious that Peterson wasn’t the same thereafter.
peterson was right all game..I saw him limping allover the field in pregame...
by Jonny Piff on Dec 14, 2010 11:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ny has had trouble stopping the run...
So Bevells game plan consisted of little out routes….Someone needs look at the big picture…Tarvaris did not play well but oline played worse.
Bevells game plan was worser..lol
by Jonny Piff on Dec 14, 2010 11:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sell: having time to throw the ball
All the QBs we face, get time to throw the ball. They make throws, and look great.
TJack basically had 2 seconds to do anything. I didn’t really have much heart to watch past the beginning of the third quarter, but I can’t imagine it was any different. You insert Tom Brady into that game, and he probably ends up with similar numbers.
If anything, TJack’s rating was basically on par with Eli Manning. So, it’s not like the Giants had it any better.
Also, sell the right end of our line as run defense. Both big runs came off that side, same with previous games. Obviously there’s a flaw that teams have noticed on tape, and it should probably be addressed.
But Brady doesn't "scramble"
TJ is a great athlete..remember?
We should pick TJ over every other QB (except Vick) because TJ has great mobility.
Where did that argument go today?
he had a couple decent scrambles...
Giants did excellent job of running around for the ball last nigt..Tarvaris was under constant pressure all game…Bevells game plan was bad..
by Jonny Piff on Dec 14, 2010 10:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If anything, TJack’s rating was basically on par with Eli Manning
Uh, if your point is that Eli sucked too, then you win. But I don’t see how that its OK for us to be complacent that ours did too.
Like I posted earlier, I agree that we have to give him more chance to prove himself than this. But we should also not pretend that the preliminary conclusion is that he doesn’t cut it. Line issues or no line issues.
Honestly we don't have next years QB on our team right now
I just don’t see it, no coach in his right mind is going to put Webb or TJ in that position. Hell Childress is craptastic crazy and he didn’t ’even do it for the long term…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
We should be proud of our sack
Giants have gone five games without one. That we got one is a good sign.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Great post Ted as always
As I live in NC and watch the local high school team the Carolina Panthers (thank god we didn’t draft Jimmy Clausin), suck like you wouldn’t believe. Then comes last night, my beloved Vike’s get totally smacked down. That game was by far the worst of the year, I hate to see are team run over like that. The only thing I would say is that we will need a total revamp across the lines. We have some good and great players, but the o-line is the worst I have seen in my 40+ years watching. I can only hope, we somehow beat the #@$# out of the Bears next week. I am also hoping for an outdoor game. Like I said, I have been a die-hard for 40+ ,and there is always next year. Thank god for short term memories! Go Vike’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sound investment: Hussain Abdullah and Frank Walker
They are getting better each week. I know many of us were shocked when Abdullah replaced Tyrell Johnson earlier in the year, but these two were the only DB’s wearing purple last night that did much of anything positive.
"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller
Cant blame Tarvaris for bad snap,no blocking whats so ever,no run game at all...
And defense giving up huge run plays…
by Jonny Piff on Dec 14, 2010 10:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions
2 bad snaps.
It’s not like our offense was any different with Favre in. So, the QB is not the only thing that was, and still is, wrong.
im gonna eat crow amd say it tarvaris isnt the answer at this point..
Love the guy personally…But mentally Im not sure he is upto it….But Giants dominated us in every phase but special teams..
BEVELLS PLAY CALLING WAS HORRIBLE…
by Jonny Piff on Dec 14, 2010 10:47 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Techincally
The Maginot Line analogy works perfectly. DeGear, Sullivan, and Cook were perfectly immobile and just stood there while the invading storm troopers went around past neutral parties (McKinney and Loadholt).
I secretly wish McKinney would get ass cancer (kidding, kind of.). Nothing pisses me off more when people have all the natural ability in the world and simply just don’t care.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 14, 2010 11:01 AM CST reply actions
Our line play is worst in NFL...
With Favre or Tarvaris….mckinnie is most overated player on the team maybe in the league..Sullivan is no Birk either..
by Jonny Piff on Dec 14, 2010 11:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Offensive line has to be top priority
I said last year that the offensive line should be our top priority coming into this year. It was not addressed at all & here we sit at 5-8 & I would be surprised at anything better than 6-10. I was one of those that said give Tarvais a chance. Well he’s out of chances now. The Tavaris experiment failed. Of course Peyton Manning would probably not fare to well behind this line either. Tavaris is a decent backup QB. Nothing more nothing less. Lets give Joe Webb a chance. Let’s see what he can do when given a real opportunity to play. Yeah I know the line is still the same but he can run. He might be the best runner on the whole team. (other than AP) Lets see what throws he can make. His pocket presence, can he read the defense & make adjustments. I know he’s raw but we have nothing to lose at this point. I love my team & I want us to win our last 3 games but if we don’t I can at least take solace in knowing that each loss gives us a better draft pick.
Tarvaris Decent?
hahahahahahah you are funny Iowaron. He is a complete disgrace and a joke to NFL QB’s everywhere. You are right though, in your assesment that the line is a top priority, but First we have to Fix the QB problem, by trading up in this years draft for andrew luck or Ryan Mallet.
Yeah, it’s so easy to draft a great QB. How’s Jamarcus Russell doing these days…?
by JasonAve6413 on Dec 14, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
we should trade
our 1st, 2nd, and 4th, for the first pick in the draft.
Next season will be a down year....
the team needs to identify a core group of players to build around.
On the offensive side of the ball, the only untouchables I see are
1. AP
2. Sidney (yes, health issues notwithstanding, a must sign)
3. Percy (but his health problems need to be solved)
4. Hutch
5. Kleinsasser (because I like his style)
On the defensive side
1. Greenway
2. EJ
3. Allen and KWill
4. Griffin (roll of the dice)
5. Winfield (only because he is a leader and he hits)
6. Cook
Special teams
1. Kluwe
2. Farwell
3. Onatalu
4. Longwell
Everyone else is expendable, unless you have a different opinion….
I'd add
On offense:
Sullivan…thought he’s improved over last year, and has done okay despite calf injury.
Gerhart…not going anywhere
Defense:
Leber…if he will sign a team friendly deal
Edwards…the guy is good
Ced Griffin…will be back from injury
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Agree with....
Toby, thank you, he is a horse, and a durable one at that, knock on wood. Sullivan? Yeah, he may be turning into a Mick Tingelhoff type anchor.
Leber’s play has dropped off, would not put him in the untouchable category. I listed Ced, and Edwards is, as you said, good, but, IMO, one dimensional in his game.
I suppose Loeffler could be included in the group. I do not recall any snaps sailing over Kluwe’s head.
First and foremost
Go get an O line coach. As soon as they win the SB talk with NE’s and pay him a bundle and give him whatever title will lure him to MN. Half our problem on the O line is poor piss poor coaching. I have not done the research but I bet we lead the league in false starts. Get our O line in order and then even a decent QB which we don’t have now will lead us into the playoffs. Get a great line and QB and we are SB winners.
Skol
by SouthernNorseman on Dec 14, 2010 3:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions

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