Stock Market Report, Week 15
Hi guys. I have to admit, this is getting tougher and tougher to write. I was really fired up about last night's game, I really was. I thought Webb was going to play well, and then when I heard Favre was going to start, it kind of seemed like some divine intervention. You know the drill--battered hero makes one last stand and carries team to improbable victory. It just seemed already written, you know? 50th Anniversary team celebration, outside in the snow, with the superduperstar running back out. Favre, all alone, carries his team to one more victory. And for the first drive, it was magic. Toby Gerhart ran with authority, Favre hit Percy Harvin on a rollout pass, then Harvin took a screen pass to the house, leaving Bear defenders in his wake. Favre ran into the end zone at full speed, celebrating with his team, fans were throwing snow from the stands, and Ron Jaworski and Jon Gruden were doing some serious microphone fellating of Favre. Everything seemed right with the world. Sadly, the script was only half written at that point. It all unraveled after that, and the problems that the 2010 edition of the Minnesota Vikings have on both sides of the ball could not be masked by a battered Favre. The Vikings were exposed, again, as a bad football team with a lot more questions than answers as we head into the final two games, neither of which the Vikings will be favored in. So, where do we go from here? Since this is not the team we thought they were going to be, it's time to rename them. They didn't play like Vikings, they played like a bunch of imposters. So what do we call them? Aw hell, let's just call them the Minnesota Al's:
All along along, there were incidents and accidents, there were hints and allegations.
SMR, after the jump.
Blue Chip Stocks:
Brett Favre, QB. Adios, amigo. I loved watching you play, and your last TD drive was vintage Favre. Emotion, improvisation, touchdown. Thanks for dragging your broken and bruised body off of the trainer's table and giving it one more shot. 2009 was awesome, 2010 has sucked, but it was a helluva run. Thanks.
Solid Investments:
Joe Webb, QB. I don't know about this, because there was a lot of bad in Webb last night. He made some plays, though, and it's too early to declare Webb a success or failure. I expect a pretty humbling experience in Philadelphia next week, but there were some things I saw that give me hope. He seems like a very confident, if really inexperienced kid. He has an NFL arm to go along with a unique combination of speed and agility. The few times he got to the perimeter last night, no one could keep contain on him, and he did some damage, to include his impressive TD run. But Webb's performance last night was the season for the Al's in a nutshell-a couple of good plays, some really bad ones, and in the end another humbling night. Can Webb be the guy next year? It's way too early to tell. Let's see where the last two games take us, and then we'll go from there.
Junk Bonds:
The Whole Offensive Line: I just don't know where to begin. Steve Hutchinson will be back next year, and John Sullivan, when healthy, is okay. Phil Loadholt wasn't terrible, and I see him improving from where he was at the beginning of the year. But I'm done with Bryant McKinnie. I know a lot of you guys were ready to dump him last year, but I thought he was okay. But when you get schooled--repeatedly--by a rookie DE and get your QB knocked out, you're dead to me. Ryan Cook is okay for brief periods of time, but is not a guy that can sub for multiple games, like an Artis Hicks could. Chris DeGeare is what he is, a mid round draft pick that's been very inconsistent. There is raw talent there, especially with DeGeare and Loadholt, but they need work. Hutchinson's got one or two years left, and McKinnie needs to be replaced. Cue the Extreme Makeover guys, and get a good offensive line coach.
The Front Seven on Defense. The last two weeks have seen the Minnesota Vikings mauled in the running game. The Giants ran for over 200 yards, and the Bears, with a mediocre offensive line (and that's putting it kindly) opened gaping holes for Matt Forte all night long. Left, right, up the middle, it didn't matter. The Bears abused the Vikings defense, and it was flat out embarrassing considering the Purple People Eaters were there to watch it.
Special Teams, minus Warcraft. I got nothin'. How many different ways can you say awful and terrible?
Leslie Frazier. Frazier did a great job of rallying the Vikings to wins in his first two games, but we all knew the real test would be this three game stretch against arguably three of the four best teams in the conference. I was able to give him a pass on the Giants game; there were a lot of mitigating factors in that game where you could just let it go. But to lay an egg like that against a division rival, at home, in that atmosphere? That was inexcusable, and it was a performance like that against Green Bay that got Brad Childress fired. Are there mitigating circumstances? Yes. Does that excuse such a terrible performance, especially by a defense that was advertised to be able to stop the run? No. With the injuries in the secondary, I can understand, to some point, giving up big plays on defense. But when you add the inability to pass rush with the inability to stop the run, I have to wonder if there aren't some big changes coming on that side of the ball as well.
Madieu Williams. Okay, the Vikings are up early first quarter. The Bears, after two straight holding penalties are staring at a 1st and 30, the defense has held after a turnover deep in their end, and the offense is looking like they can score again if the defense can get off the field and get the ball back in Favre's hands. Let me emphasize the down and distance again: FIRST AND THIRTY. So what happens? Madieu Williams looks like a seven year old in the backyard in blowing basic over the top cover-2 for a 67 yard TD pass. He was RIGHT THERE, and almost any other safety in the NFL would've had the pick. It was a pass that was begging INTERCEPT ME. At a minimum, it should've been a knockdown. But no. Williams gets completely turned around, WR Johnny Knox collects it and coasts in to the end zone. As foolish as Williams looked on that, I'm surprised Knox wasn't laughing so hard he dropped the ball. Oh, and did you see Antoine Winfield's WTF reaction on the replay? Priceless. Yeah, ‘Toine. We were all doing it, too. Adieu, Madieu.
Buy/Sell.
Buy: Playing outside in Minnesota. The visuals, at least for me, were stunning. The fans pretty much filled the place up, and I think if the Vikes were still in the playoff hunt, it would've been chaos trying to get everybody in there. Thanks for dispelling the meme that the Minnesota fans have gone soft watching the Vikings play in a dome for the last 30 years. Build an outdoor stadium. Just put heating coils in the turf.
Sell: Fixing the Metrodome. So the Metrodome has another rip in it, bringing the total to five, I believe it is. It has served its purpose, but take the money that would take to repair it and put it towards a new Vikings stadium. Other than the result on the field, last night was a smashing success, if you ask me, and I for one think the Vikings need to play outside.
Buy: Throwback uniforms as the permanent uniforms. I know that as a guy in his forties, I probably have too much sentimentality towards how things used to be. But those uniforms the Vikes wore last night are one of the five coolest in the NFL. The triple stripe on the arm and the purple and gold stripe on the pants are simple, yet awesome in an understated way.
Sell: The new uniforms. I was a fan of the new uniforms when they came out, because the road uniforms had purple pants, which I think are cool. After 2006, the Vikings ditched the purple pants, and without them, the Vikes look like just another Arena league Team. The wide stripe down the side of the jersey that flows into the pants is too much for me, but I do like the helmet. Take the new helmet, marry it up with the old uniforms, and what you have is the best uniform in the NFL.
Buy: Webb's alley oop pass to Greg Camarillo. Joe Webb settled down after a really shaky start, and I expected that as a rookie his first reaction would be to tuck it and run, and he did. But that alley oop pass that he lofted over pursuing linebackers is something that a mobile guy like Webb can bring to the table. The linebackers collapsed on him thinking he'd run, and he saw Camarillo wide open in the middle of the field. Unfortunately, great plays like that were few and far between, though.
Sell: Webb's terrible picks. We expected that Webb would make some bad throws, and he did. It's part of the growing process of a young quarterback, but those two picks were just horrid.
Buy: Toby Gerhart's running in the first quarter. On the opening drive, Toby Gerhart played like a legitimate NFL running back. He was patient, he hit the hole, and he got positive yards. He also had a 20 yard run in the third quarter, I believe. He got to the outside, ran over a couple of guys, and got some nice yards.
Sell: Toby Gerhart's running the rest of the game. But other than that, I don't know what the hell happened. It's like he called Michael Bennett, and decided it would be a lot of fun to run right into the back of offensive linemen as soon as he hit the line of scrimmage. No leg drive, no strength, just meh. I don't get it.
Sell: Toby Gerhart's fumbling. It's gotta stop, period. Whoever AP went to in the off-season to get rid of his fumblitis, Gerhart needs to make an appointment.
Buy: Open Coaching Search: The Vikings need to make an exhaustive search for the next coach. It will be a coach that will be able to deal with transition of some sort, from either playing in a temporary facility while a new stadium is built where the Metrodish currently stands, or when the team relocates to wherever they will go if Minnesota does not get a new stadium deal passed.
Sell: Not giving Leslie Frazier an opportunity to interview during the open coaching search. Frazier has had to deal with a lot of adversity since being named interim coach, and he deserves an interview. I'm not sure if his performance to this point is an asset or a liability, but he needs to be given serious consideration.
Buy: Gov-elect Mark Dayton's stadium position. The incoming governor has said more encouraging words about a new Vikings stadium in two weeks since being declared the winner than the previous governor did in his eight years. He stressed that it needs to be a collaborative effort, so the bill needs to come from the Legislature, not the governor's office, and I agree. Dayton will support a stadium bill, but his only requirement is that it not be financed with general fund money, but he threw out a lot of options he would be open to, like user fees, to pay for it.
Sell: The early, ominous signs from the incoming Republican Leadership regarding the stadium: For all the encouraging words from the incoming governor, the incoming Republican majority has been eerily silent. Dayton's opinion is that he has detected a ‘lack of willingness among some Republicans to address the issue' in the upcoming session. That said, Sen. Julie Rosen, a Republican from Fairmont, is working on a bill that was similar to the bill that was introduced too late in the last session to be taken seriously, and she is looking towards DFL'er Tom Bakk to co-sponsor it. That's great, but the Republican leadership needs to get on board with this plan, or modify it, and then endorse it with the governor's backing, and then get it passed.
Well, that's about it for now. I'm not sure if I'll post something between now and Christmas---and we still say Merry Christmas here at this little corner of DN--so let me wish you all a Merry Christmas, and leave you with the best Christmas song of all time, performed by the greatest singer ever, for the greatest Vikings fans on the Internet:
Merry Christmas, Daily Norseman. It truly is a pleasure to be a part of this community. Thanks for all the kind words, and even the stinging rebukes, throughout the year. You guys and gals are awesome.
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It's actually Fairmont, not Fairmount
But Fairmont sucks, so just leave it. And yes, the old uniforms are much better.
Love the old uniforms
But, keep the new helmets. I love the way the horns look on the new ones, but revert back to the old shade of purple.
Vikings 2010: Episode 2, A New Hope - The Alliance for Vikings sanity have struck back. The evil Childress has been fired. Hope has been reinstated with the naming of Frazier as Head Coach.
+1
I agree, keep the old uniforms, helmet with the old purple color and the new horns. Too bad there aren’t enough players with pride to fill them. The first possession and the touchdown were vintage Viking football; cold, snow, frozen playing surface….it was like 1969 against the Rams all over again.
Some of the players on this team should be really embarassed to have played that way in front of Eller, Page, Marshall, Tarkenton, Yary, Foreman, Randle and the Carters to name a few. I just hope next year will produce results based upon the talent of the team on the field rather than on paper.
keep the throwbacks
Would love to see the old unis come back permanently. Go back to the old shade of purple, too. Personally, I like the old horn better…just call me nostalgic. Also, I heard (not sure if on the radio or TV) that Tarkenton came for the dinner the night before, but did not stay for the game. Also, that he wasn’t even planning on attending the event until Bud Grant called and talked him into it. Any idea why Tarkenton is so down on his old team?
It's time to blow this bitch up!
Everybody on the team should be embarrassed of themselves, including mngmnt.
The Vikings should give everybody their money back. All the money they made in ticket sales this year, should be given back to the fans.
Vikings fans didn’t sign up to watch this BS week after week.
We all knew the season was a loss before last nights game, but lots of people worked very hard to keep last nights game in Minnesota. The Vikings could have at least showed up.
Instead they sent the Bears to the PO’s, and they sent D.Hester to the fucking HOF…….what an embarrassment!
C'mon now!
It makes no sense why the Vikings should give everything that they have collected from the fans and give it back to the fans. Coming into the season, the expectations for this team were extremely high. Favre coming back for another shot at a title (after his best statistical year in his career), the Vikes returning more starters than any other team and just the “swagger” that the team had. The reason it sucks so much is because of those expectations and how high they were. Imagine being a Lions fan or a Bills fan. They’ve gone through this shit for so long I can’t even remember the last time either one of them had even close to a winning season.
The Vikes failed and in a big way. But they had nothing go their way. Absolutely nothing! They couldn’t catch balls for interceptions that should have been easy, they couldn’t hang on to the ball at key times, they had balls tipped in the air, just high enough to be intercepted and stop key drives. NOTHING went right. The Bears on the other hand, had a lot of things go their way. They played against 3rd string quarterbacks in several weeks. They got gifts from teams making mistakes that they then took advantage of. To have a good year in the NFL, you need luck…and that’s just what the Bears have had this year, unlike the Vikes.
They’ll come back next year, they might not still be the team we want, but they’ll be better. There are so many teams that go through this and we’ve experienced it a lot as of late. But the management of the Vikings will want to do something big. They’ll get their stadium and they’ll bring in the right personnel both on the field and in the front office/coaching and things will be better.
Also, time to part ways
with the Williams Wall. They are not who they were a few years ago. Hence part of the reason, I believe, why Jared Allen has dropped off. With the rest of the front slowing down, teams can concentrate of keeping Allen contained. As for the O0line, I am pretty much onboard. I’m about ready to go McKinnie hunting myself.
Vikings 2010: Episode 2, A New Hope - The Alliance for Vikings sanity have struck back. The evil Childress has been fired. Hope has been reinstated with the naming of Frazier as Head Coach.
Jared Allen has 9.5 sacks.
I bet that shocks you too because it has felt more like 0.95. When 10 sacks is a ‘’down year’’ for a player, that certainly says something to the quality of said player. We still love you JA. Williams wall I am with you on. Perhaps there was more steroid credence to the Star Caps trial than previously thought? Mind you that is just wanton speculation.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 21, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
True
about Allen’s sack numbers, but I don’t think it’s more telling of him nor his abilities. From what I’ve seen through the games, more of the other front line whose abilities that are disappearing hence forth, no need to double team the whole front line anymore. Just one or two players at most.
Vikings 2010: Episode 2, A New Hope - The Alliance for Vikings sanity have struck back. The evil Childress has been fired. Hope has been reinstated with the naming of Frazier as Head Coach.
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 21, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
I think part of the problem...
… has been the pass rush from the interior line has been so weak. In the past, the QB didn’t have a pocket to step into and then Jared would get a sack. Or they’d step up and the Williams wall would get a sack.
The weakness I see with Allen is that, while he’s good, he’s a little bit one-dimensional. He almost always takes a finesse, speed rush, and too often gets run out of the play, or the QB steps up in the pocket and matadors Jared.
For example, K. Williams has 1.0 sack in 2010, compared with 6.0 in 2009. Pat Williams has 0.0 sacks in 2010, compared with 2.0 in 2009.
So Jared Allen is down from 14.5 in 2009 to 9.5 this year, with 2 more games to play. But the Williams Wall is down from 8.0 in 2009 to 1.0 this year, with 2 more games to play.
With that kind of production from the tackles, I think it makes it much harder for Jared Allen to get his numbers. They either need to get more creative with stunts or something, or Jared Allen needs to develop another move and broaden his repetoire.
by HammeroftheGods on Dec 22, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Williams Wall
…should definitely not be back; well at least half of it! I think Kevin Williams played very well from half way through the season until now. He’s a force inside. The only reason that Pat Williams was ever good was because he clogged up the middle. Now that he has lost a step or five, he’s basically worthless. On passing downs, we basically only rushed three guys because he doesn’t need to be double teamed anymore. He wants to continue to play, but he needs to be elsewhere. We need to make our defense younger and the first step is to give those younger guys a chance to gain experience.
Webb is three years away
That’s why they need to draft Cam Newton or Ryan Mallet. Those guys are a couple years closer to being an NFL quarterback, because they’ve been playing QB at a high level for years. Joe Webb might get to that level, but not before he perfects the many little things that make a quarterback effective. It all has to become automatic, from the proper footwork to reading a defense as you walk up to the line. Sure, he’s got talent and he looks intelligent, but he’s a long way from performing consistently against NFL defenses. Meanwhile, watching Joe Webb improvise ON EVERY PLAY is not inspiring, it’s embarrassing.
I'd totally be cool
With Joe Webb as a feature receiver who can at times take snaps for runs/pass plays to keep Defenses honest.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 21, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Why not..
A stop gap 3 year vet?
Find ourselves a reasonable experienced QB for Webb to play back-up to..
Dump T-Jack, and let webb vs. the vet battle it out.
Gotta be the best to start, no reason to slack.
I don't think you pass up a QB in the 11 draft
if you get a chance as well. But I don’t throw Webb out of the mix entirely. He can at least be a Brad Smith type player.
by Shawn Gillogly on Dec 21, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Use him
as a Brad Smith type player or strictly as a WR. He’s been talked about as being the most gifted athlete on the team. Fast, strong and the ability to out-jump basically everybody. Utilize him like the Vikes use Harvin. A field with Peterson, Webb, Harvin, Rice, Shiancoe and a “proven” QB would be very dangerous. Now we just need an O-Line to make it all happen.
I say the o'line but everyone seems to want a QB.
I know there should be some good QB’s in this draft. Ok, so we take a QB with our 1st pick. We had better sign some o’line help. A rookie QB needs protection. It’s hard to gauge talent when your being sacked & running for your life every other play.
OLine
Take Payton Manning, give him an average/mediocre line and there’s no way that he is the QB he has been so far in his career. It’s evident that the Vikings need to do something at this position. McKinnie has had his chances and hasn’t stepped up to be the LT that we need. Hutch needs to stay healthy and he’s still one of the best LGs in the game. Sullivan has shown some signs of good play, but he’s very inconsistent. We’ve been hurt tremendously with the loss of Matt Birk. Cook just needs to not play unless it’s a very limited basis. He’s not a starter or someone who can fill in for longer periods of time like Hicks could or Herrera. And Loadholt has a load of talent, but just needs work. It’s clear that without upgrades at certain positions on the OLine, this team will continue to struggle. We need to rid the line of the zone blocking scheme and get back to man and we need to RUN. RUN with AP and open up holes like we did his rookie year. That would take pressure off of the QB, no matter who it was, and would set us up with a very dangerous team come next year. They say if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it…well folks…it’s broken, it’s bad and it needs to be fixed!
Zone blocking
Agree this needs to go. It was a Chilli invention to make his line as bad as possible. Need a change in attitude on D too see below.
Best athlete available.
I think a good QB should be available to us in either of the 1st 2 rounds. And I think we can get serious O-line and secondary help as well.
Personally, I think McKinnie should get moved to RT, find a LT through draft or FA, and them move Loadholt inside to guard. I’m also done with Sullivan at Center. If you can’t make a shotgun snap, you can’t be a center.
by Shawn Gillogly on Dec 21, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
agree but
Actually we need both. No line no good QB play. No real QB defense dominiates anyway by stacking the line.
With the exception of the Redskins I do not believe anyone has ever won the superbowl with a poor or mediocre QB, and isn’t that the goal.
Ted
I think you were actually taking it easy on MaDooDoo(in his pants) Williams who gets Jackassed by, of all people, Johnny Knoxville. I have never seen worse safety play in my entire life. It is unbelievable how badly he misses tackles and it’s almost as if he tries to be out of position for every pass. I was absolutely disgusted w/ his play or lack thereof. We’ve had enough Poo for one year, I think we need to drop the DooDoo
I have to agree with most on here and say we need to build an Oline and it needs to be our #1 priority. With our talent, we can win the division(or more) next year if we have some better line play. Our skill-position players may arguably be the best in the NFL. You can’t tell me that our offense shouldn’t be putting up at least Jaguars-type #s. With a better Oline, we can go back to playing FB the way our team should: Run….PA Pass no matter who our QB is.
Speaking of, I would like to say that a QB is the top on our list, but i think we could be good even with Joe Webb in there if we had a better line. When had had time, he had some pretty good tosses and there’s something about him that i really like. He’s young, obviosly fast/explosive with the ball in his hands and…WARNING: the following statement can easily be labelled stupid. I would have no issue if they told him “you are the QB for the next 2 years” and build a line and some continuity around him. Along with that, our offensive gameplan needs to change and change fast. He has SOOO many strengths that we can’t just stick him in the pocket and tell him to pick apart a defense, ala Favre. He’s not Favre. He’s never going to be Favre and the sooner they throw out THAT playbook and web some plays together, he will prosper.
One last note: I left this for the end because i actually feel it’s the most important. One “Blue Chip” stock that was not listed above: EJ Henderson. The guy played a really good game. He seemed to be the only person in the backfield and although he’s not much of a coverage LB, he seemed to be in good position most of the time. That TD to davis says more about Cutler’s throw that it does EJ’s D.
Did not like the Defense thank LF your new Head Coach?
Okey he is nice and calm and that is how the D plays. The D needs a 2 changes in attitude. # 1) no celebrating tackles or sacks unless it means the punting team is coming on (How many times have we seen them whoop it up for a nice tackle on 1st and 2nd only to be on the field after the 3rd. # 2) an attitude like the BEARS or the 49’s. Everyone is hustling to the ball standing the ball carrier up, others trying to go for the ball and other trying to get to the area just in case there is a fumble. Our D oh we pile on and hit the guy but could care less about the ball and folks more then 7 yards away walk around. Do you see this changing if LF is the head coach? Only If the new GM the TUNA tells him so, otherwise I think the D stays the same and that ain’t good. OH yes we need a offensive line and a QB - thats on Chilli. Bring in Metz and Head Coach, TUNA as GM, Singletary if he becomes available as Defensive Coach. Bring in a 1st round QB, and if you get rid of Allen and McKInney in the process to move up so be it. Keep Hutch, AP, Rice, Winfield, Herderson - the rest are all tradable if it helps. Booker looks like an upgrade over our #2 runner. He is OK but I would have perferred to get a QB at that spot in the draft.
Metz
Bring in Metz as HC and have him bring in his Offensive Coord. Have him design the offensive around the guys.
I am not against LF because of the 2-4 or 3-3 record he will have. I am against it because how poorly the D has played this year and has degressed. New attitude is needed on D and that is not going to come with LF.
Is Rice
An unrestricted FA or restricted?
by CarterAD58 on Dec 21, 2010 10:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Well for one thing
I’d never seen that Chevy, Paul Simon vid and it was awesome. I’m at work last night, and the fork lift driver (who is from Minneapolis and has 2 brothers that live there) drives by and hollers "Vikes 7 – Bears 0). Well I’m all giddy, and am setting production records in the process. To make a long story short, after half time he would just drive by and look at me with a rather disconcerted look on his face, and I new the deal. Of course, every Bear fan in the free world either texted me the final score, and one inventive person even wrote it in the snow on my car in the parking lot. So I come home to read the game threads and I did notice your absence in the first half. However in the second half I read – I’m back bitches – or something to that effect. Enjoy your time with your dad (I lucked into having a very cool one too), and for me, well i don’t give a crap who the quarterback is – if we don’t improve the offensive line, whoever is back there is gonna get killed. Have a great Christmas Ted!
more than just tweaking
THe Vikings need some wholesale changes to their team, not tweaking. Somebody in here mentioned that we could have Manning and he would not perform well either. B4 the Vikings rush out and get a QB, they better shore up their OL or whoever QB they get will get killed out there. Unless, they really go after some blue chip free agents this team is 2-3 years away from even entertaining the idea of a Super Bowl trip. The draft can only do so much.
As for a coach, they need a marquee name with a track record and at the very least a new OC & DC. Bottom line: They have alot of holes to fill and if you think just getting a QB is a start…………. without an OL, it would be better off not getting a QB because it will destroy his confidence to get beat up like Bret Favre has this past seasoin. I wouldn’t draft a QB, get the OL first and then go and get a seasoned veteran QB who can step right in.
by jjlovesfootball on Dec 22, 2010 10:07 AM CST reply actions
Glad to hear that you’re not pronouncing any verdict on Webb yet. He’s so raw that normally I would think it a waste of playing time to have him in there during regular season for evaluation, but frankly what better option do we have. We’ve got two more games to play out, with the last one being against a team with a secondary that might give him some chances. So let’s throw him in the deep end against Philly, hope his confidence isn’t completely trampled, then see what he’s absorbed when we get to the slightly friendly confines of Metrodome East aka Ford Field ;)
I am going to watch the next game just because I feel like a fan needs to, then – no matter what happens, let’s be realistic here, we should expect it to be at least partly ugly – I am going to watch the Lions gain with a little hope back that we will see something to at least carry a smile into the long 6-8 month hibernation.

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