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Thoughts On The New Stadium And Memories Of The ol' Met

This is how football needs to be.  Outside, in the elements.

Last Monday night's game at TCF Bank stadium was a wonderful walk down memory lane for me.  It evoked some powerful memories of the Vikings in their heyday of Fran Tarkenton, Bud Grant, the Purple People Eaters...and Met Stadium.

It's obvious that the Vikings need a new stadium, or they'll leave Minnesota.  For those of you that think they won't, well, we'll just agree to disagree.  Follow along after the jump while I try to convince you how great it would be if the Vikings would get an outdoor stadium.

Star-divide

I haven't lived in Minnesota since I was a teenager. I am not a resident, don't pay taxes there, more than likely won't ever live there again. I have no family there anymore, so the only time I visit is as I drive through on my way to Canada to fish with my stepdad and brothers. So I have no dog in this fight other than being a Vikings fan. That said...

The new stadium should be an outdoor facility. The two main arguments against an outdoor stadium is that it 1) won't sellout in the winter months, and 2) a retractable roof will attract a Super Bowl.

To argument 1--If the team puts a good product on the field, it will sell out, if they don't, they won't. The Patriots sell out, the Bears sell out, the Packers sell out. The Lions play indoors, they suck, and they don't sell out. The Met sold out for years. It wasn't until 1981, I think, that the string was broken. In the 90's, with mostly mediocre teams, the Dome didn't sell out. It has nothing to do with the facility, but everything to do with the product on display in said facility.  And there are a lot of folks who won't go to the Metrodome, but would go to a game at an outdoor stadium.  Had the Monday night game been a SUnday game, I would have been there trying to get a ticket and a seat.  Get a new stadium, and I'm going back once a year, minimum, to see them play outside.

Argument 2--The Metrodome has played host to one---one---Super Bowl since the Vikes moved in back in 1982. If the Vikes do get a retractable roof stadium, they'll get one more, and that's it. The NFL doesn't like playing their marquee game in a cold weather city, but they threw Detroit a bone because of their new facility, just as they did the Silverdome. The Super Bowl never returned to Motown until Ford Field, and now that they've fulfilled their obligation, it'll never be back there. Same blueprint for Minneapolis.

I went to a bunch of games at the old Met as a kid, and I'm sure as I get older I look back on those days with more rose color in my glasses than in years past, but it was a blast. I was dressed like the little brother in A Christmas Story, I couldn't bend my arms, but I wasn't cold. My old man had a thermos full of hot chocolate for me and "hot chocolate", (with maybe just a touch of Wild Turkey) for him, and the tailgating was great--cute little kids always ate free, ha ha.

The Met was an erector set rat trap of a stadium, and I loved it. It was 47,000 crazies foot stomping on the upper deck bleachers, making so much noise that your body...shook...in place.  It was a baseball stadium that shoe-horned a football field in there.  The seats were a long way from the field, the back of the end zone butted up against the third base box seats on one end and the right field bleachers on the other, and both teams were on the same sideline.

The scoreboard has more burned out lights in it than lights that actually worked, and there was a section that was a "Vikes-O-Gram", little informational messages that weren't read as much as they were deciphered, because of all the burned out lights.   

But most importantly, from 1961-1981, the Vikings might not have hosted any Super Bowls, but they played in four of them, they won an NFL Championship, and they won the NFC Central 11 out of 13 times from 1968-1981.  That is a dominance that isn't seen anymore, and I think the weather had a lot to do with it.

The Minnesota Vikings took pride in their toughness, and their defense was as exciting to watch as the offense.  It seemed like there was a goal line stand at every game I went to, and as the sun would set over the frozen prairie, the temperature would drop, the fans would hunker down as the wind whipped, and it became Viking time.  You could feel it changing, and if the Vikings were losing, they always rallied.  If they had a lead, they finished it off. 

They completely dominated their opponents most years, and there was a definite psychological advantage the Vikings held over them. Ahmad Rashad once remarked that when he played for the Bills, when the schedule came out the first thing they would look for is to see if they had to go play at Minnesota in December. If they did, he said they just wrote that game off. That game was won by the Vikings before training camp! And he played for the Buffalo freakin' Bills!!

I remember one game I went to against San Diego.  The Chargers came out all bundled up with coats and long sleeved shirts and the like, and were trying to go through their warm ups.  Some guys were huddled over by a heater, and they were all cupping their hands and blowing into them, even with the gloves on.

Then, the Vikings appeared out of the first base dugout.  No one had a jacket on, or gloves, or long sleeves.  They sprinted to their side of the field and lined up---perfectly--for warm ups.  To them, it might as well have been Mankato in August.  About half the members of the Chargers looked over and shook their head in disbelief.  The game was over before the coin flip.

When they moved indoors, the team lost their identity, that part that made them Vikings.  They lost their essence, and it won't ever be recaptured until they play outdoors again.

I don't care about Minnesota hosting Super Bowls. I care about the Minnesota Vikings winning Super Bowls, and I think that's only going to happen if they get an outdoor stadium.

Merry Christmas, DN.  May we have Peace on Earth and Goodwill Towards Men.

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Im with you, brother!

The only thing good about last Monday Night’s game was that it was played outdoors in MN!

Zygi wants a ‘Bank’ for himself… I think he’s going to get it now.

SKOL VIKES!

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 24, 2010 11:33 AM CST reply actions  

I would not be surprised that Ziggy gets his way with TCF. If only they could add more seats to the stadium. Then he can get his newish stadium with golden gopher footprints all over it.

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. ~Mark Twain

by GB Nordic on Dec 24, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Right on Ted

And everything I’ve echoed in past post’s about the Super Bowl and what not.

And yes, it will sell out.

Great size for an outdoor stadium, 65,000 to 68,000 I think. Heinz Field, Lincoln Financial are in that range. Put most of the seating along the sidelines. Maybe a standing room only one endzone and leave the other endzone open/billboard. That way, down the road, need to add more seating, you got the room too without it looking like a bunch of Lincoln Logs slapped together. Lower level seats in purple, mid in white and upper in gold, throw a nice overhang over the seating area like they did with Target Field.

Oh, and another thing, Spaces for tailgating ON SITE!!!! Not a few blocks away. Sheesh.

Vikings 2010: Episode 2, A New Hope - The Alliance for Vikings sanity have struck back. The evil Childress has been fired. Hope has been reinstated with the naming of Frazier as Head Coach.

by VikesFaninNM on Dec 24, 2010 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

Damn you and your potent nostalgia!

As a person who has been known to get cold when it is 72 degrees, I have no wish to freeze my butt off watching outdoor Vikings games. But the way you write about it almost has me thinking it wouldn’t be that bad. What’s a little crippling frostbite amongst friends? Hypothermia? What hypothermia? Well played Glover, well played.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Dec 24, 2010 12:18 PM CST reply actions  

It will happen, guaranteed.

I lived in Minneapolis and in San Diego when there was a push to get a new stadium. In both cases, the public stood firmly against it, and in both cases the stadiums got built anyway, with public funds.

Rich people control our government. Thus, there will be a new stadium.

Merry Christmas, Ziggy. You’ll get your stadium. But hey, you still don’t know what color it is… ;-)

by jimbo55403 on Dec 24, 2010 12:36 PM CST reply actions  

Purple

Even the prospective stadium in LA has purple seats. One way or another, it’ll be purple, with or without Minnesota :)

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 25, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

What state do you live in now, Ted?

by Cup Noodles on Dec 24, 2010 2:56 PM CST reply actions  

The People's Republic of Illinois

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by Ted Glover on Dec 24, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

If it weren't for relatives living in that state...

…..I would avoid it like a plague! I hate going there, Not all but alot of people are rude as hell, the gov. is beyond corrupt and that’s on top of the pure hatred I have for the teams there.

Vikings 2010: Episode 2, A New Hope - The Alliance for Vikings sanity have struck back. The evil Childress has been fired. Hope has been reinstated with the naming of Frazier as Head Coach.

by VikesFaninNM on Dec 25, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Is that a Havenite reference?

If so, +1000 :)

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 25, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Outdoor Stadium

Amen! Say it again brother! Design it for the cold weather- 3 tiers, stacked more vertical than flat to reduce the wind, partial roof / weather break around the top to reduce the weather’s impact on the upper deck spectators, ducting in the tiers to blow some warm air onto the spectators.

Its doable and for much less than the cost of the roof you add some amenities designed to reduce the effects of the sever cold.

by JMN3MD on Dec 24, 2010 3:43 PM CST reply actions  

this has to be outdoors

thank-god for wilf and his steadfast tradiiton.
it will get built
and it will be outdoors….

by los vikingos on Dec 24, 2010 4:00 PM CST reply actions  

what a great post!

that brought back a lot of memories for me, reading that. I’ve enjoyed some of the metrodome years too, 1987, 1998 and last year, even though i wasn’t a fan of the endings of course.

Still..playing outside was the best! I hope they build an outdoor stadium too.

Go vikes!

by vikefan84 on Dec 24, 2010 5:32 PM CST reply actions  

Rec'd!

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 24, 2010 7:53 PM CST reply actions  

Totally agree

Now I’m not old enough to have gone to the met. The metrodome opened the year before I was born, so it’s all I’ve ever known. When I’ve been to Vikings games at the metrodome it’s always seemed sanitized. What I mean is when I go to kinnick stadium for Iowa games there is a certain energy in the crowd, the same thing you see at lambeau or soldier field, But I’ve never experienced at the metrodome. That’s what I love about an outdoor stadium, it feels like football, which IMO helps the crowd get into more despite the elements, which really helps everybody. I personally would make a point to attend a winter game in Minneapolis. But that being said, I’m like Ted, I live in Iowa and have no monetary interest in the building of a stadium. As long as the twins and Vikings are there I’ll come for games (and the occasional Iowa vs Minnesota). SKOL!!! And have a merry christmas.

by HawkeyeVikingTwinsUnited on Dec 25, 2010 8:07 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

other teams

The 49ers have won five Super Bowls without the benefit of hosting games in freezing cold weather. The Cowboys have also won five.

by medicineball on Dec 25, 2010 8:47 AM CST reply actions  

Great Post

I mirror your experiences but I date you by a few years. I was 11 years old when the Vikings played their first season as new NFL franchise. My brother bought season tickets in 1969 ( what a fortuitous event) so when I came home for Christmas, we would attend play off games. The memories of dressing in our best ice fishing gear to go to games are still vivid.

I have not lived in Minnesota since 1968 and probably will not ever live there again but who knows. If someone had told me in 1984 that I would be living in Texas the next year and still be here now, I would have said they were crazy.

I agree with your views completely. Build a modern outdoor stadium with a heated field so that the Vikings will always be the Minnesota Vikings. Like you, I don’t have a stake in this since I don’t live in or pay taxes in Minnesota but the new Governor and the new Republican majority in the legislature will hopefully find a way to get it built. All they have to do is look to Green Bay and Chicago to illustrate that it can be supported by the fan base.

by TexasViking on Dec 25, 2010 12:10 PM CST reply actions  

O-din... O-din... O-din... O-din... :)

The old Viking’s chant as the sun went down in the Met and the long shadow reached across the field to darken the other team’s hopes, steam rising from the Viking’s breath and bodies from the sweat.

I’ve never been to Lambeau but I hear good things about the stadium. Maybe it could be the model. The Vikings will never host a Super Bowl there, but so what. They’d be better able to afford to build it with a minimum of public funding. It’s be worth it to resurrect the Norsemen of Old.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 25, 2010 8:02 PM CST reply actions  

Build It...

(The outdoor one, of course)…I along with many of you fondly remember the days of the old Met. Outdoors in the freezing elements was the Vikings identity. My older brother (not a Vikings fan) made a statement one time that was very true. He said the team hasn’t been the same since they moved indoors. They got soft and lost their edge. I have to agree. Even though they lost Monday night, it was great to see them playing outdoors again, especially wearing the throwbacks (which I hope to see resurrected next year). Great post Ted.

by purplegrey on Dec 25, 2010 11:05 PM CST reply actions  

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