Vikings Stock Market Report, Week 16
Hi kids! It's Analogy Time, with Uncle Ted. Come over here to my inconspicuous, plain white van, where I have free candy for you.
One of my favorite movies is 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest', starring Jack Nicholson. If you haven't seen it, finish reading this and then watch it. Wait, there's a spoiler in the next paragraph, so watch it, and THEN read the SMR. It's awesome. Well, Both the SMR and Cuckoo's Nest are awesome, but Cuckoo's Nest is awesomer. Anyway, in the movie our protagonist, RJ McMurphy, is a guy that is a criminal sent to a mental institution for a psychological eval. He's an emotional guy that is a continual rabble rouser. He's edgy, fiery, and tries to live life to the fullest, despite the fact that he's you know, in a nuthouse.
****SPOILER ALERT****
At the end of the movie, McMurphy is given electro shock treatments, and is essentially a bed ridden vegetable that pisses and shits himself. In a fit of rage, one of the other inmates he has befriended rips a massive marble sink out of the floor, throws it through a window, and walks out of the facility.
And that's the difference between the Vikings in 2009 and 2010. 2009 was a thrill a minute, live life to the fullest ride, and we've paid for it in 2010, as we limp towards the finish line, piss stains in our crotch and a marble sink through our picture window.
But tonight was an island in this Insane Asylum that is the 2010 season, and if I were to continue with the movie analogy, it would be the fishing trip that McMurphy took all the inmates on. It was an afternoon of carefree worries, where no one was nuts, at least temporarily. Reality was suspended, and we all had a good time. Kind of like tonight. We were expecting a massacre, yet we got a Festivus Miracle.
And McMurphy got laid (That's the anaolgy for 'Vikings Win', kids).
Stock Market Report, after the jump.
Blue Chip Stocks:
Antoine Winfield, CB. Ho hum, just another day of awesomeness from the best all around CB in the NFL. He was all over Michael Vick more than this snowplow was all over this SUV. His blitzing unnerved Vick, and he had the defensive trifecta of sack/fumble, fumble recovery, and return TD at the end of the first half, tying the game up. Oh, and he went to THE Ohio State University. And he DIDN'T sell his gold pants, like someone else who won't be named **coughterellepryorcough**. Oh, sorry. Wrong blog. We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.
Jared Allen, DE. Speaking of putting pressure on the offense, Allen had a whale of a game. He was in Philly's backfield all night long, essentially shutting down the perimeter on his side of the field. Can we shut up with the "we need to trade Allen for picks" talk now, please? These last five or six games have shown why Allen is so valuable to this defense, and why he will be a core guy that the front office will rebuild around.
Percy Harvin, WR. I have decided that I will be grateful for whenever Percy Harvin can play, be it 16 games or 6. I don't know if there were any lingering effects from his migraines to start the season, but to me, he's back to that 'ooh' level. As in, every time he touches the ball I could be going 'ooh' as he turns a simple five yard out into an 80 yard score. He made Joe Webb look good on Tuesday. Or vice versa, I can't decide.
Adrian Peterson, RB. The best there is. I have no more superlatives, unless you want me to start making them up.
Solid Investments:
Joe Webb, QB. I like this kid. He made some mistakes early, but I've seen more from him in two games than I have from any Vikings quarterback not named Brett Favre since Daunte Culpepper's tremendous 2004 campaign. He's young, and he had a particularly bad play down on the goal line on the opening drive of the second half, but he made two beautiful throws to get to the Vikes down to the goal line. That TD run in the third quarter was ridiculous, and there aren't five QB's in the league that can make that play. Hell, there aren't five RUNNING BACKS that can make that run (one of them plays for the Vikes, heh heh). Oh, and how about the 3rd and 10 pass to Percy mid fourth quarter? He gave a hellacious pass rush the middle finger and flipped a laser to Percy over the middle. First down, followed by a TD by AP, which proved to be the game clincher. Simply awesome. The Vikings will---and must---acquire multiple quarterbacks through the draft or free agency, but if it was me, Webb goes to training camp in 2011 with an opportunity to compete for the starting job.
Junk Bonds:
Phil Loadholt, RT. You know who Phil Loadholt reminds me of? David Dixon. But Ted, you say, wasn't David Dixon a guard? Yes, yes he was...
Bernard Berrian, WR. Not only are you allergic to catching a pass, when you try and help out by blocking for AP downfield, you cause him to fumble. Thanks for the 99 yard TD against the Bears and all, but clean out the locker. And give us a forwarding address.
Buy/Sell:
Buy: Husain Abdullah's Interception. Lito, Frank, that's how you do it. Seriously guys, it's not tough.
Sell: The inability of Lito Sheppard and Frank Walker to make the easiest interceptions in NFL history. Stephen Hawking could've caught those. What, too insensitive? Would you prefer more self immolating monks, or pictures of Benito Mussolini instead? I can go either way on this, boys and girls.
Buy: The 'Release the Kraken' defensive gameplan. Here's been the Vikings gameplan on defense so far this year: sit in a soft cover-2 zone and let the offense do pretty much what it wanted. Yeah, not so much on Tuesday. They blitzed starting in the pre-game warmups, were a bunch of ballhawks, and got Michael Vick out of his groove early. It was the best defensive performance since about week three, and it was nice to see, if only for a night. Frankly, they kicked the shit out of Philly's offense for most of the night, and it was awesome to watch. This needs to be the blueprint for the finale in Detroit next week.
Sell: The interference call on Asher Allen that lead to Philly's first TD. That was just a ticky tack call.
Buy: Joe Webb. See above. I'm not saying he should be annointed the permanent starter, but he definitely deserves the start next week, with an opportunity to win the job next season. He's earned it.
Sell: Playing on Tuesday. All the NFL had to say was "we want to maximize the exposure of our sport and not conflict this game with a big Monday Night game" as opposed to the "we want to get the snow cleared" excuse. Or they could've just played the damn game on Sunday night. The atmosphere felt like a Tuesday night Sun Belt conference game. Until the Vikings came out and punched Philadelphia in the mouth. Then it was awesome.
Buy: Adrian Peterson's running. Do you know how I know that Adrian Peterson has elevated his play to another level that no one else is on? In the third quarter, he made a SWEET run for 7 yards, and it was a cutback and power combo. And Al Michaels and Cris Collinsworth were 'ho hum, 7 yards by Peterson.' Any other back in the NFL and they go one for two minutes about the vision, speed, and power. But AP? Another 'ordinary' run.
Sell: Adrian Peterson's first fumble of the year. I choose to blame Bernard Berrian for that, so I will.
Buy: The Safety Play. No, not a misprint there. Jamarca Sanford and Husain Abdullah were solid almost all night long. They were good in run support, solid in coverage, and didn't look like they were in third grade when Vick threw the deep ball. Well done.
Sell: Asante Samuel's bullshit cheap shot to Sidney Rice. Football's a tough game, I get that. But Samuel could've--and should've--lead with his shoulder pad into Rice's waist or chest, and made just as devastating a hit. Instead, he went headhunting and in my opinion intentionally tried to hurt Rice, and that's uncalled for. Since Samuel is a repeat offender, as it were, he should be suspended.
Well kids, enjoy this win. They've been few and far between this year, and we have every right to savor it. The Vikings have had to deal with a ton of crap this year, and this feels good. For me, the one over riding emotion I had as this season has drawn to a close and I start looking towards next season was this feeling of hopelessness over next season. Webb's play has at least given me hope that there is an answer at QB, or at least a guy that can provide something above horrible when Favre retires. The defense looked good, and I think maybe, just maybe, Sanford and Abdullah might be an answer at safety.
This season will still go down as the most disappointing and bizarre in Vikings history, and there are still a lot of personnel questions to answer as free agency and the draft come around, but at least we have something to look forward to as we head towards an uncertain off-season strewn with a roster rebuild, a stadium fight and potential NFL labor issues.
Man, things always look better after a win, don't they?
Happy New Year, DN!
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9 Tackles, 1 for a loss, 2 sacks, 1 QB hit, oh and a forced fumble and a touchdown.
Solid game by Antoine Winfield.
sell!!!!!
Cris collinsworth and al michaels, pretty much any commentator that can’t seem to say anything good about vikes also +26 on winfield
by SoDakNorseman on Dec 29, 2010 6:50 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Buy
this defense. where has it been all year? they finally got pressure on the QB. They finally stopped the run. I know the eagles layed down but it was good to see the defense and the offense finally play a good game. I didn’t see McKinnie give up any free shots on the QB, (he must have given up twitteer for at least one night) Webb played well too and with the right coach he can be developed into a very good QB.
+1
Was this leslie’s doing or our sub D-cordinator? I loved how aggresive we were on defense!!! Lets get a lance briggs type LB in there for Leber and we’re in biz!
...add #4 to the mix and see what you get... Championship.
by Macdaddy4508 on Dec 29, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
The eagles didnt lay down
They were face-planted by an aggressive vikings D!
"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller
Buy
The utilization of the cornerback blitz package. Winfield was a beast and the only question I have is…Why hasn’t it been used more this year?
Nit-picking
McMurphy was not given electro-shock therapy at the end of “Cuckoo’s Nest”; he was lobotomized.
by Midnight Rambler on Dec 29, 2010 7:19 AM CST reply actions
Crap, that's right
It starts out as shock treatments, but when he comes back to his bed he’s got the scars and bandages on his forehead.
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He came through shock treatments fine.....
faking a change. When he went for Ratchet’s throat, game over.
Collinsworth.............
……is absolute horse puckey. Gawd he was horrendous to listen to last night (and every other game.) C’mon, give credit where credit is due. Yeah, the Eagles were playing poorly, but, c’mon, the Vikes had their GAME ON. How about a shout out to that, instead of making excuses for Philly and Vick. I loved seeing Vick getting hammered like that. Nice job all around, Vikings!!!!!!
I'm gonna defend Collinsworth
He did say Philly wasn’t playing well, but he almost always countered with “but give the Vikings credit, they came to play” or something similar.
And his audio fellation of Joe Webb in the second half was almost Favre-ian in it’s scope.
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You got me there
Yeah, he was all about Webb in the second half. “Michael Lite” is what he called him, right?
by JimBob Skeeter on Dec 29, 2010 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
I like Chris.
He said about the dropped interceptions: you throw that interception at high school players and they will catch them every time.
He did not seem too partial against us rest of the night as well. Also, he breaks down the plays really well and catches things they end up showing later in replays.
Absolutely...
… I think Collinsworth does a good job, and I’ve never heard him be “partial”. That said, I couldn’t really hear the sound on last night’s game too well.
Collinsworth has a lot of good insight I think.
I used to hate him because to me he was so negative. He’d mostly heap on tons of criticism about how terrible someone was, etc. It seems to me he toned it down and has a more positive demeanor.
by HammeroftheGods on Dec 29, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, Webb should have hit the wide open Peterson
For a TD. But it’s a hell of a lot better than trying to thread the needle somewhere in the corner of the end zone and getting picked.
The fact that Webb made several great reads and throws from the pocket and didn’t turn the ball over gives him a much better chance of being a starting QB in this league than anything he does with his legs.
Though watching him run is downright awesome.
I'm putting my foot in my mouth...
But Webb really did show some great potential! And it wasn’t like lucky potential against a Bills defense (T-Jack), it was on the road in Philly against a tought Eagles team. I give the kid huge props. Making nd keeping plays alive, throwing with acc. It was amazing!
...add #4 to the mix and see what you get... Championship.
by Macdaddy4508 on Dec 29, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Indecisive - He'll get better
He was looking at 3 possibilities and the Eagle’s D was breathing down his neck and he had about half a second to decide.
I’m sure that’s one of the plays he’ll be reviewing in his mind again and again, and next time he’ll recognize his situation and make a better choice. Rookie. 1st year in the NFL. He’ll get better :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Very right.
I told my friend when he wondered why that happened, “It’s because he’s a rookie quarterback who just spent 90% of the season running the second team… THAT’S why.” Considering that and his facemask penalty were the biggest mistakes of the night, and then realizing who he really is, it’s damn impressive.
Agreed.
Webb made mistakes, but he didn’t make too many of them and they seemed to be because of inexperience rather than a lack of talent or poise. He’s calm under pressure, he has good instincts, and he’s a tall, athletic guy—there’s a lot to like with Joe Webb.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
questions/comments
1) What do you see the Vikings doing at QB going forward? Do you think it’s between Jackson and Webb or do you think they bring in another QB to compete for the starting role?
2) What do you think Leslie Frazier’s chances are of getting the interim tag removed and being the head coach in 2011?
beyond those questions, congrats to the Vikings on a good win last night. It would have been awfully easy to phone it in last night, but they looked impressive. I just like seeing Vick get knocked around. I didn’t like listening to the media talk about him like he was the greatest thing ever. He’s playing better football but he’s still not a great QB.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
Jackson will prolly be gone he is out of contract and wont be resigned we will prolly look for a vet to come in and then draft someone to develop and Webb will compete with a vet for the #1 job.
Fraser will has earned a chance to be our coach but it depends on if Zigy brings in a GM or not. then all bets are off.
We need a stadium deal and that will determine how we move along if the legislature wants a gm to insure future success Zigy will have to bring one in I don’t think he wants one but he might be forced in order to get a deal done.
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."
John Wayne
by just another viking on Dec 29, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure they have a say really
The legislature really doesn’t have any say I think on the organization of the Vikings. And really, why would they in any event. They just want to make sure the Wilf’s somehow pay the full cost of building it. =)
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by SouthPurple on Dec 29, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Good Questions
1) Like I said in the SMR, Webb has earned the start next week, and should be given an opportunity to compete for the starting job when training camp opens in Mankato next year. Jackson is history. I hope he develops into a good NFL QB, but I think there is zero chance that happens in Minnesota. What I see happening is, depending on how the Vikings feel about Webb, is they draft a guy and sign a vet like they did with Sage a couple years ago.
2) Frazier is an intriguing situation. It seemed that after back to back listless blowout losses his chances of being retained were slim. But that game against Philly was an impressive display of football by a team that most everyone thought was going to mail it in. A win in Detroit and he’s 4-2, including impressive road wins at Washington and Philly. There’sa good chance, if you ask me.
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I think
we might be seeing the slow shaking off of the Chilly era. If Frazier is retained, I see alot of new schemes both sides of the ball. Like I said in other post’s, if Frazier made a boat load of changes, people would be mad of Frazier for changing things now, or, like I think he has been doing, staying with what we have for the moment, people have seen him as being unimaginative and lacking leadership. I think that went right out the window lastnight.
Vikings 2010: Episode 2, A New Hope - The Alliance for Vikings sanity have struck back. The evil Childress has been fired. Hope has been reinstated with the naming of Frazier as Head Coach.
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 29, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
Agree!
I think we should “Buy” coaching staff for last night. Excellent play calling and scheme on defense, and pretty good on offense.
Seem sound to me
I think you are right about TJ. But it doesn’t seem crazy to me to consider him as a backup, but only as an option in a pool of guys available in free agency. But I think he’s probably gone.
They need a solid veteran guy to be there in case Webb is not ready, or not the guy, to lead the team.
I think what it does is lets them look at the draft and only take a guy if they really think he’s first rate, sure deal starter (although I’ve hardly ever seen a “sure deal” at QB). If they take a guy first round, it better be good!
I think it might make sense to look to other needs in the first round, especially O-line but maybe even wide receiver. I’m mainly worried that the biggest problem this team has is not an able QB, but other tools for the QB to succeed. We might take a first round QB, and watch him fall flat on his face.
I say shore up other positions, take another late-round QB (4th round or later), get a vet QB, hope Joe Webb is the guy.
If not, there’s always the next season and no reason to believe a good player won’t be there at QB.
Frazier seems an OK option to me right now. But I hope they consider all possibilities. He gets them up to play, definitely, which is a good sign.
by HammeroftheGods on Dec 29, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Tarvaris Jackson is a waste of a roster spot.
He can come in and play decent backup for the remainder of a game in which he did not anticipate playing… and that is all. We need a backup who can actually perform after a week of prep knowing that he will start.
Maybe he is...
… but first let’s see them put another better QB in his spot. I’m all for it.
I just don’t think TJ is the worst possible option for a backup, but on the other hand after what I’ve seen I’m pretty confident we can do better.
by HammeroftheGods on Dec 29, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
I have to think we will never see T-Jack in a Viking uniform again
Jackson is a free agent, and Childress was his biggest supporter.
Webb should be given a chance to compete for the starting job. It should not be handed to him.
The big question is whether the staff believes Webb can be a franchise QB in a couple years. If yes, then a veteran QB like McNabb is the best option. If they are less sure of Webb’s potential, then a stud QB in the draft, if available, is the better option.
There is also the question of what QBs will be available when the Vikings pick.
by Midnight Rambler on Dec 29, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
What a wierd situation...
You stay with Webb and pray to god he’s the real deal, or you draft a possible top 10 QB, kill Webb’s ego, and/or deal with a philly situation where it’s like yea did draft this kid but this kid is playing better… ugh….
...add #4 to the mix and see what you get... Championship.
by Macdaddy4508 on Dec 29, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think Webb's ego is a consideration, or a worry.
He seems to have his head on so straight that I believe he would simply consider any new QB prospect as just another opportunity. If he is worried about competition for his job then he chose the wrong career. More relevant to me is the fact that we have greater need for talent elsewhere, and the likelihood that several good QB options will still be available in later rounds.
+14
Webb is a team first guy. He will do what ever the team needs him to do. He’s like Boobie Miles. He can run, he can block, he can catch, he can snap the ball and kick the extra point. He can walk the dog and paint your back porch. AND HE CAN PASS.
"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller
1.) TJack is out. Frazier, or whoever the HC is, will want to remove that ‘stain’ of Childress’ tenure. Also, as JAV points out below, his contract is up. Considering our other contract issues this offseason, TJack won’t even get a look.
2.) I said to my friend last night that this game most likely just earned Frazier a starting job. This was the first genuine, significant win (as significant as they get when you’re out of the playoffs) the Vikes have had all season. We barely beat the Cowboys, Lions, and Redskins- three horrible teams. We creamed Buffalo, and while they can be considered an ‘underated’ team, and rightly so, they’re still not that great. Last night we had a solid win over a solid team, and on the road no less. That Frazier managed to pull this off will go a LONG way on his resume in the offseason. Of course, we still have one more game- should we lose a blowout to the Lions it all might be negated, but even just a decent win then and Frazier’s ‘legacy’ for this season will be cemented.
Webb
Really looked impressive to me. His throws seemed pretty accurate. Rice had a case of the dropsies.. But than again, he is not used to the Webb passes. I have heard that receivers claim that Favre has a different type of spiral vs. other QBs. One of our own receivers, (can’t remember the name) made a claim that T-Jack had a slightly stronger arm, but Favre had a different spiral.. Maybe next week, Webb will get more of a chance to throw his passes to Rice and he’ll learn to catch Webb – passes.
The only obvious mistake I have seen Webb make was not make that pass to AP as he ran along the endzone.. That would of been a TD.. But its hard to make a pass, on the run, over 3 defenders who may tip the ball. So, maybe from our point-of-view it looked easy, but from Webb point-of-view it may have been a safe move to run it out of bounds.
JA seemed determined. I am guessing a lot of players maybe felt their jobs were in jeopardy? Maybe they were scared they’d hit the bottom of the cellars in so many years and didn’t want that title. Or maybe, beating the Eagles to them, would prove they’re a good team. Who knows, but a nice win is a nice win…
At least Webb didn't try to jump pass the ball to AP
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."
John Wayne
by just another viking on Dec 29, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Jared Allen
Was a man on a mission. When he had trouble catching that scramble-freak Vick, it only seemed to piss him off more. I can’t remember the last time I saw him hit a quarterback so hard when he DID get to the poor guy.
Ted, you forgot one thing
Buy: Webb’s in your face, “you’re not taking me down without a fight and be damned the penalties” facemask in the 4th quarter I believe. I think even the guy from Philly was a little shocked.
Vikings 2010: Episode 2, A New Hope - The Alliance for Vikings sanity have struck back. The evil Childress has been fired. Hope has been reinstated with the naming of Frazier as Head Coach.
I'll buy that
I’ll also buy Webb’s ’let’s get it done’ look in the 4th quarter after Philly scored to bring the score to 17-14 Vikes.
It was a “we’ll see about that” look, and then he went right down the field and scored. Pretty cool.
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You got me sold
Hell, never seen that look in Jackson
Vikings 2010: Episode 2, A New Hope - The Alliance for Vikings sanity have struck back. The evil Childress has been fired. Hope has been reinstated with the naming of Frazier as Head Coach.
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 29, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
That head nod on the sideline after Vick scored is what impressed me the most.
"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller
That's the key intangible, isn't it?
That fearless desire to win- it’s Favre’s most endearing quality, even when he throws 2x the INTs to every TD. I wonder if that’s something Webb has inately, or something he learned by bugging the hell outta Favre.
I don't think you 'learn' that
At least, not in the NFL. You learn before the NFL, from losing to your brother at something, over and over, until you practice like a fiend until you beat him. You learn it because of the kid down the street who always seems to be one step faster, and you get sick of it.
If you don’t have it by the time you get to the NFL, you aren’t going to get it.
Webb seems to have it. Culpepper never did, Jackson doesn’t. Favre has more of it than anyone I’ve ever seen, except for maybe Manning or Brady.
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buy & sell
Great all-arround game last night but clearly Joe Webb was the difference. He had no idea where he was a week earlier in the Bear game, but last night he looked comfortable in the suroundings. One game doesn’t make a QB but what great strides he made. The D gave Michael Vick fits all night and AP was his usual All-Pro self. Which brings me to the conclusion that picking up Toby Gerhart was a mistake. Not because he’s not talented but more because he’s a waste of talent. As long as AD is in Minnesota, TG should be sent packing somewhere else. He is not a 3rd down back or utility player. He’s an every down back and needs to go somewhere so he can really gel and develop. Now that they also have Booker, who can catch and return kicks, he can be effective on those 3rd down situations. Keeping TG on the sidelines will ruin his career. Let him go and PLAY elsewhere!
Probably won’t happen but unless AD get’s hurt or has a contract dispute and goes somewhere else himself, keeping a potential star like TG is a waste of talent.
What say you Viking fans?
by jjlovesfootball on Dec 29, 2010 9:37 AM CST reply actions
I disagree slightly
but unless AD get’s hurt…
God forbid anything ever happens to AP, but having depth at every position is important, and the RB position is kind of a biggie. I think it’s important giving AP a breather from time to time, and during a long season occasional dings are likely, and I’d like for Gerhart to continue to be that backup guy. Just sayin.
This would be a tough call if we were offered a 2nd round pick for Gerhart.
Seeing as how we traded up to take him in that round last year, I wouldn’t consider trading him for less. Also, he may be Peyton Hillis the 2nd in the making…
booker..
i’d rather see booker as the regular 3rd down back then Gerhart. He’s more suited to playing the “chester taylor” role in the offense. But keep Gerhart, and here and there, let him have some runs on 1st and 2nd down.
+ 37
i think that’s his number. I actually mistook him for Percy a couple of times, i really want to have him take the number 2 spot
He was a great pickup no doubt
Booker has been a solid player pickup. Although he does remind me of someone . . . . Oh Yeah think his name was David Renault? . . . Oh Sorry – Darius Reynaud? Its too bad we traded them (Darius / Sage) out, but at least we got draft picks for them.
I can see Booker being a good 3rd down back, but Gerhart was doing better on blitz pickup and blocking last night as well too. Would like to see a few more AD / TG tandems in the backfield on occasion. And I do like being able to not lose anything when AD does take a breather for a few plays. That’s what we had with Chester.
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Agree with everything in your post.
Reynaud did lose his game in NY though. He was fine with us but not with them.
Main difference is that Booker is a true RB. That was his position in college
Reynaud was a WR in college who was converted to RB this offseason.
I liked Reynaud. But I think we came out ahead with the Booker pick up.
"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller
Why thin out a strong position?
Sure, if someone were to offer us a 2nd round pick for TG… well, having given up our 3rd rounder this year, we’d pretty much HAVE to take it. But that would be practicaly unprecedented at this point- teams won’t take that gamble.
Other than that though… when we have AP, TG, and Booker… we can have one HELL of a non-stop ground and pound running game should we decide. Why mess with that? And if you’re worried about Gerhart as a player (which is fine and commendable and all, but me presonally I selfishly worry about the Vikings… :P), I don’t think learning behind AP is going to hurt him a lot. Most players would give their left you-know-what to have their early seasons learning behind the best in the game at their position.
Plus, with our issues at O-line really affecting our ability to truly unleash our running game, the more we can pack in the punch at that position, the better. AP has to work much harder at that position thanks to the sub-par O-line play. The last thing I’d want to do is overwork the guy and risk injuries. After all, RB is one of the most punishing and short-lived positions in the game. Having a solid backup to spell AP and keep him fresh for the future is only a good thing.
I think you meant to reply to someone else OVF
"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller
Joe Webb
You know..monday night i watched the Falcons Saints game, and “matty ice” didn’t look all that impressive to me. I was saying to myself, " i thought this guy was supposed to be bad ass"
My point being, i’m not sure any of those QB’s we’d draft would be any better than Webb. From what i saw, that kid was more than a “sound investment”. I love your stock market reports, but when i read that, i wondered if you were being “too tough” on the kid.
Now now..i know one game doesn’t make him another Elway, Montana, ect.. but that was a heck of a performance at QB. Better than TJ by light years, and dare i say it…from what i saw last night, i’d rather have him at QB than a young Culpepper even.
I know i should chill and see how he does against Detroit, but gosh, he beat the Eagles on the road. He made throws TJ could only dream about. Great performance.
I agree with your assessment on Loadholt. Heck, draft a franchise LT, put Loadholt at RG and Mckinnie at RT.
In any event, if Webb kicks butt against detroit, it’s going to give the Vikes a lot to think about going into the draft. I’m glad i’m not making these decisions.
And in closing, i’m with you, i hope it kills these..trade Jared Allen for draft picks, and even more ludicrius, trade AP for draft picks discussions.
Webb was a sound investment
because it’s one game. It was a great game, to be sure, but he needs to do it on a regular basis.
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1 game
I give Webb props..but was one game and far from perfect….I saw alot of plays were he made 1 read and forced the ball into coverage.
.got lucky on more then one occasion.good game for him though.
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by Jonny Piff on Dec 29, 2010 11:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Asante Samuel is the Dumbass/Jackass/Dumbass of the year
I hope that Sid is alright, and can be good for next week
its amazing
How good safetys played and didnt get burned deep…its cause madieu williams is not a starting fs in this league..
by Jonny Piff on Dec 29, 2010 11:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I think the pressure on Vick helped our coverage quite a bit.
Madieu Williams is a class act as a person, unfortunately as a safety he is woefully inadequate.
I hope MW has a wonderful life.
…with another team. Probably on their second string. (The Redskins might start him though. Wonder what they’d give us for him…?)
O-H?
After reading that first part about Winfield, was this post written by a fellow Ohio State Fan? Go bucks! Is so, don’t you think both Dane Sanzenbacher and Brian Rolle would look really good in pruple next year? I think Spielman needs to whisper something in his brother’s ear. Thoughts anybody?
ya boy, jgreeds
Joe or not to Joe that is the question.
If Joe performs well against Detroit . Then we should give Joe the nod for 2011. That would allow the us to focus on the draft and free agency on fixing a porous offensive line and upgrading a secondary that gets gashed. Quite frankly unless by some miracle that Andrew Luck falls to us I believe that’s the way to go. Don’t waste a 1st round pick on a guy that may not be any better than the one we already have. Lets roll the dice. If Joe can’t cut it we will at least have an improved O’line for the next guy. Our staff can already see that Joe has more potential in 1 year than Tavaris has in 5. We have the offensive skill players in AP,PH,SR VS. to help the kid out. Put a solid O’line in front of this kid & let him do his thing. Yeah he’s raw but he’s scary raw. Name a QB in this league that could have made the 2 TD runs that he did in the last 2 games. Vick maybe? but nobody else even comes to mind. My old construction boss had an old saying: (Don’t believe anything you hear & only half that you see & you’ll be alright.) Well I’m buying in to what I see in Joe Webb. He goes out & plays, no fear, just giving it all he’s got. Yeah he’s got a lot to learn but so will anyone we draft.
i agree...
I’m not saying give Webb the wheel of the ship, but for those of you who keep saying its only one game we need more proof, are really confusing me.
Because alot of you are talking about drafting a so called “stud QB” next year are willing to pay $120 million with $60+ guarranteed for someone who has Never played a NFL game in their life.
Dont forget this is a business
by midnightwonder on Dec 29, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
But tonight was an island in this Insane Asylum that is the 2010 season
Couldn’t have put it better. Agree with almost everything you said following from that.
Stephen Hawking could’ve caught those. What, too insensitive? Would you prefer more self immolating monks, or pictures of Benito Mussolini instead? I can go either way on this, boys and girls.
Touche’. Or wait, is the word I’m looking for here actually “touchy?” Well, either way you have the right to say whatever the hell you want. Consider that right exercised.
My third shout out for Jimmy Kennedy this season.......
he IS the heir apparent in the middle, IMO. He drilled Vick up the middle, leading with his shoulder pad. He pursues almost as well as KWill, and plays hard on every down he is in.
Yeah, good point
I should’ve mentioned him. He had a good game.
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The Vikings finally played up to their level of talent this season. In week 15. Ah well, maybe next year.
Webb played a great game. His throws were all on the mark, he showed poise, and he didn’t make many mistakes. He looks to me like the best QB the Vikings have had in a decade. We’ll see.
I suspect that Childress’s playbook has been tossed out the window. This didn’t look like the Vikings that we have been seeing this season. Good to see the team moving on and moving forward.
Joe Webb
Great stock report, as always, Ted :)
To Webb, or not to Webb, that IS the question. Last night, he answered that question. Webb. Joe Webb.
I saw a young guy with the sort of expansive confidence in his own ability AND in his team-mates, step up at every level and control the game. He literally dominated one of the best defenses in the NFL with his ability AND he pulled his team-mates up to that same level. This is a team which has had just about every bad thing that could happen to a team, happen to them this year. They’ve had their hopes and expectations absolutely shredded this year. They had every right to be demoralized by this point, and ready to pack the season in with half-assed performances. Joe Webb didn’t let that happen.
He may not be the QBotF, it might have been a flash in the pan, but last night he proved that he’s got the right stuff to play in the NFL at a pretty high level and he earned the right to compete for the starting QB job. As a minimum.
Where it gets interesting is the question of the draft. If Webb is The Man, then the Vikings can focus on the O-line in the draft and FA, let T-Jack find his way in FA, and bring in a competent veteran to mentor Webb next year, along with another long-shot QB.
If they don’t believe Webb is going to be the man, then they have to jump up for a franchise QB and winning last night just made it that much harder. I’m really interested to see how the Vikes assess Webb.
For myself…. I like what I see, and if I see it again next week, I’m prepared to stand behind Joe Webb as our new 1st string QB. I’m not one of these guys who believes that playing time early in a career will hurt a QB; on the contrary, it breaks those who needed to be shown the door and it lets those who are the real thing, excel and get better. Webb has improved with every outing he’s made.
There’s only one concern I have about him, and that is that I do NOT like it when our QB rabbits and upon encountering the LB who’s going to stop him, lowers his shoulder and tries to plow forward another couple yards.
Joe, if by some miracle your’e reading this, PLEASE STOP DOING THAT CRAP! It’ll get you injured sooner or later and quite frankly, we can’t afford to lose you. And you don’t want your career derailed or destroyed by doing something you could have avoided. Learn to slide, don’t take a single hit that you don’t have to take. You’re the QB now, not a WR. Act like it.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Agreed 100%.
THAT was the biggest and most consistent mistake I’ve seen him make over the past two games, and for a QB is a potentially HUGE one. It’s the same issue people have been saying about Tebow this year. When Sanchez had the same problem last year, the Jets sent him to a Yankees camp to learn to slide- seems to have worked. Perhaps we should put in a call to the Twins.
Great idea!
All the ‘mobile’ QBs have this exact same problem, college taught them that the QB position is an optional RB and probably teaches them to push for every yard they can get on a run. Maybe when you’re 20 years old and a broken shoulder heals up in 2 hours, that works (ok, slight exaggeration :) ), and winning today is all those coaches seem to care about since their player turn-over is so fast. But in the NFL, you need to last a decade and a half and millions of dollars is on the line with every game.
If a week with a pro baseball team is what it takes, I say do it. And send T-Jack too, as a going-away gift, he’ll thank them for it later.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I'm disagreeing on 1 thing
The safety play. They were mediocre most of the night. They got beat deep on a big play early. There were 2-3 other passes where they should’ve been beat, but Vick missed the throw. And then there was the Vick run, where both of them got left with broken ankles. They made a couple plays. But I’m not taking safety off my list of team needs.
Nice to see someone else get on my “Move Loadholt to Guard” movement. He has no footwork, and for a big tackle, he’s not nearly as nasty as he should be. Move him inside, and have Hutchinson teach him how to use that size.
I agree with the measured analysis of Webb’s future. 1 Game is NOT enough to hand him the reins without question, competition, or ready backup plans for next season. We have to accept an element of ‘ambush’ in this game. Philly had watched the Vikes roll over and play dead each of the last 2 weeks. They had no reason to expect anything different this time. They were wrong.
Buy - Vikings Circa Dec 28th, 2010
It was a total team win on both sides of the ball and that goes for the special teams and coaching staff. Where have they been all year? Holy crap. We, the Minnesota Vikings won on the road, outdoors, “in Philadelphia” (it’s been 25 years since we won in Philly) with a rookie QB and an interim head coach. Are you kidding me? We survived three freakishly strange weeks only for the players and coaches to leave their families on Christmas to spend 3 nights in a Philly hotel room. Talk about playing through adversity? Nobody expected them to win … hell I don’t even think most of the players expected to win, but they didn’t quit and they played their damn hearts out. I don’t care what happens next week, that Vikings win on Dec 28th 2010 will be I’ll never forget!
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
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“If that throw would have been a spear, Frank Walker would be dead!”
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Hahaha
Funny comment
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Buy - Silence at Lincoln Field
The Eagles are, IMO, a freakishly great team right now. The Birds have really got it all going on, on both sides of the ball. I’m not ready to say that the Vikings are a better team because they aren’t. But they could be, if they get their act together the way they did tonight, on a regular basis. Last night, the Vikings stood back up again, after a long, painful season of disappointing themselves and their fans. They remembered themselves, who they are and what they are capable of when they actually play like a team. They weren’t without their share of mistakes and not every player was awesome (let alone competent), but they made us proud to be standing behind them once again.
I hope they remember that, build on this going forward. The team needs help in a lot of spots still, but this is by no means a group of scrubs. This is fundamentally the same team that sent 12 guys to the Pro Bowl just 10 months ago, and this is a team that, if the right moves are made in the off-season, can be very competitive next year.
The Eagles didn’t lay down last night, they needed a win and they fought down to the very last minute, trying to get it. The Vikings denied them.
Last night, the Vikings created silence at Lincoln Field. Repeatedly. There is no greater acknowledgement or respect that any team can expect from their foes.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Buy - FRIENDLY REFEREES!
Holy Cow, am I the only one who was shocked by refs who gave the Vikes a slew of friendly calls? Seriously, I’m just not used to seeing that. There was one first down in particular that on replay it was obvious that AP came up short, but they gave him a sweet spot and the 1st.
Every time I see a flag, I’m conditioned to assume that it’s a Viking that’s about to get nailed for doing something boneheaded, or maybe just because they’re wearing Purple. When a spot is in doubt, it doesn’t often go the Vikings way. Til last night.
Now I know how it must feel to be a Cowboys, Patriots or Packers fan, in regards to the Zebras :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Or all the holding calls they didn't make
We would have had 8 sacks if they didn’t hold as much as they got away with or the penalties would have killed one of their scoring drives had the zebras called them.
I was going to say the same thing about the holding calls,
we haven’t gotten them all year. And there have been some blatent ones. But, does it seem that they are calling holding less in general?
Compared to what the Vikes usually get, this almost seemed like a love-fest
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

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