The One Where Ted Kicks The Vikings QB Bee's Nest

will not be struck until the 11th hour!

What does that mean?

No minicamps, no OTA’s, and a condensed training camp…………………………….

Only solution at that hour is of course………..Brett Favre!

And I think your 4 points at the end are very likely what will happen. Carson Palmer in purple? Hmmmmm…. I don’t think he’d like sitting in the backseat, but if we pick him up for a reasonable amount and he LOSES the job to Webb then, by golly, that’s a pretty darned good duo. If dreams really do come true, the Webb is a future HOF QB and we’re set at the position for the next 15 years.

If a QB is the best available player when we pick, you take him. Period. Even if you think Webb is the guy.

Injuries happen, players misfire, development stalls. You do NOT, even if you think Webb is the player you saw against Philly and not the bum we saw against Chicago—and I’m not going to discount the Chicago performance, because he was given all the 1st team reps in practice during the week, so there was no excuse for coming in clueless—throw all your eggs in 1 basket.

For all we know, Webb could have a beautiful season next year, and someone could cheap shot his knee, and he never be the same again (to bring up an allusion to one of the QBs in this discussion). So you never, ever, throw all your eggs in 1 basket. Period.

And I don’t want the backup plan being Sage Rosenfels or some other lightweight either. Bring in a REAL QB option, and have a REAL competition for the position. Make Webb earn his job, every step of the way. In the long run, both he and the team will be better for the competition.

BTW, we already have a replacement for Pat Williams, he’s been playing at least as many snaps as Phat Pat this season anyway. So scratch that one off the list. I’ve given my O-Line revamp, and it would require only 1 player acquisition. You’re not going to be able to find more serviceable pieces to the line an offseason you can bring in well anyway.

has to be the O line. As currently constructed, you can put who you want behind center, and you risk negligent homicide. Webb, IMO, is the frontrunner for the position and should compete for it. Sometimes, you have to trust your first instinct and go with it. We know what we saw the other night.

Keep Webb, bring in a Vet for a 1 or 2 year deal. Draft O Line, Secondary, D Line. Build up the foundation around the talent we have, then plan on 2012 being the year of the Franchise QB, whether it’s Webb or another high draft pick.

We aren’t just a QB away anymore. That window closed, hard, this season.

is that HE believes he is the man for the job. This was never apparent with TJack, or, for that matter many other QBs either.

I would argue however that O-line > QB. A good o-line makes an average rb and qb look good. A good qb with a bad o-line can’t do anything.

How much do you think CPalmer would demand? $5-7mil+?

You swatted that beehive pretty hard Ted.

But many good points, and one’s that I am struggling with myself.

Webb has given me alot to hope for. But also, like you said, what if he does eventually turn into a bomb, not the bomb?

I do think the kid has a much better ability to think, make “in play” changes then T-Jack ever had the ability too. And to be honest, I was never thrilled with Jackson’s supposed athletic ability, let alone his mental ability. Even his 1st year, before my entrance here almost 2 years ago, I was against Jackson. I never saw anything in him both in Brains and Braun, let alone any slight shred of confidence. With Webb, I don’t know, something just has been nagging at me that this kid might be able to turn into what Josh Freeman has. Someone who came in off the radar, had a rough and long learning 2nd half rookie season, not so rough 1st half of the season to a kid who looks like he’s been in the NFL a few years. Yes, I know Freeman was drafted in the 1st round, but Stafford and Sanchez were getting more press then Freeman was. And so far, I would say Freeman has been the better of the 3. And yes, I do know the QB class of 2009 was less then yawn inspiring. But no one thought Freeman would be able to do what he has done.

We have massive needs at other positions to address in the draft and thru Free Agency. And thanks to a certian idiot no longer ruining running the team, we have one less pick in 2011 and 2012 with nothing to show forth. Also, drafting a QB who may or may not be able to transition to the NFL and paying a ton of money, is it worth it right now? Especially with a possible uncapped off-season looming?

More I’ve thought about it after seeing how Webb has done over a game and half, how high the price for bringing in McNabb or Palmer? None of them will want to be a back-up to a “kid”, let alone being in a starting competition. Hell, even Kyle Orton would be hating that. I’m sure he isn’t too thrilled with being back up to Tebow & Quinn right now. So, I would hate to say, it would have to be someone like Ramsey to play back-up. Ramsey know’s he’ll probably not get much of a shot at ever being a starter, so he would be highly motivated IF he has to take over. Yeah, I know, I sound nut’s, but any player like him would be motivated.

Finally, ANY QB, whether a veteran or drafted one, no matter how highly drafted, is a gamble. As I said and many have said, we have many higher pressing issues to deal with. Right now, as for the QB gamble, I say it’s worth it to see how Webb does. Right now, the odd’s are a little more in our favor then it is in the house’s favor.

Sit Webb next year and sign a FA QB like Mcnabb or Palmer for one or two years. I prefer Palmer though and let Webb pick up from a qb like palmer. Draft a QB late while we use our first two draft picks on a OL and a Safety or CB. Use our 4th rounder on Mcelroy or Dalton.

Get Cook and Griffin back up to speed and release Sheppard and keep Walker.

Keep Abdullah and Sanford and let go of Williams. Keep Johnson for depth.

And i know its going to be some free agent Olineman out there. Pick him up and then sign some free agents to shore up the linebacking core and defensive line.

Also I would invest in Booker for another few years and I would sign or draft another quick (but bigger in size then Harvin) playmaking reciever.

Winfield
Griffen
Cook
Sanford
Abdullah

Is there anyone else worth a damn? What do we do here? Should we go for a high end safety or corner?

brett hart did the sharp shooter not the figure 4 ……………just sayin that was ric flair

i enjoyed your fanpost, good comments.

i want to see joe webb start against the lions. i think he earned it. i think brett might not be active anyway. i wonder if he will get the quiet send off as part of the deal for the whole “whatz-her-face” scandal.

i don’t know why some people think webb was a bust against chicago. i thought he trew some sweet passes, just some were defended well and a few clanked off the wr’s hands. he threw some away, but i thought that was wise. he showed that he can face pressure and not get rattled. he even showed that he can sidestep the d-rush and make people miss (inlike t-jack).

i thought he did great against the eagles and showed poise, playmaking ability and leadership. he definately threw some great passes and i thought he executed and sold his play action fakes well and rolled out beautifully. he extended several plays with his intangible abilities (stutter stepping), and we won the darn game!!!

i hope he starts, cuz he is exciting to watch, and it will probably give us more to be excited about for next season. and if he stinks it up, then at least we know now, before going into the off-season.

I’m sure the Eagles will trade him sometime in the offseason or release him. He might be a free agent im not sure.

But if we get Kevin Kolb i dont think we’d have to draft QB at all. Just use all of the picks on oline and getting younger on defense.

There are at least four guys coming out in this draft, maybe more, that could be excellent NFL players. Aside from Andrew Luck, who is as much a “sure thing” as I’ve seen in years, there’s Cam Newton, Ryan Mallet, and Jake Locker, any of whom look like probable star quarterbacks.

Look, I know my opinion doesn’t count for squat, but I’ve been watching some video highlights of these guys, and they don’t look like ordinary college quarterbacks. They look like dominant professionals toying with college defenses. Andrew Luck looks like Peyton Manning with a smoother delivery. Mallet looks like another Ben Rothlisberger. Locker looks like a right-handed Steve Young. Newton looks like a bigger, faster Steve McNair.

I just don’t see how you pass up a class of guys with this much potential, then hope for another guy of this magnitude next year.

In 1983, six quarterbacks were drafted in the first round. Of those six, three were Hall of Famers (Elway, Kelly, Marino), one started in a Pro Bowl (O’Brien), and the others (Blackledge and Eason) were excellent quarterbacks. The last QB taken in the first round was Dan Marino, who went 27th.

By the way, I couldn’t believe the Vikings didn’t draft Marino. I saw him play for the Pittsburg Panthers, and for him, a 15-yard pass was like a hand-off. Zang! But they did get Joey Browner, an all-pro safety.

In 1984, there were no quarterbacks taken in the first round. Well, technically there was Steve Young, but he went to Tampa in a separate USFL/CFL draft to the NFL. My point is, these things can run very hot and very cold. The 2011 draft is going to be very, very hot for quarterbacks. Possibly legendary. Whether or not they think Joe Webb will grow into a competent NFL starter, the Vikings would be absolutely retarded to pass up on quarterbacks that look as good as the class coming out next April. Take one of these guys – any of them – and enjoy the ride!

I don’t think we’re in a tough position at all. What we need to do is act as if Webb weren’t there. We draft a hotshot QBOTF, add a veteran, and let Webb compete with them all. Even if Webb plays well against the Lions, that will put him at two good performances. Serious NFL franchises don’t lean on that kind of unknown. Relying on a guy picked at the end of round 6 after a couple of games in which he showed good poise and athleticism is a bit Childress-like. Let’s not forget that Webb has yet to THROW an NFL TD. That’s what we want QBs to do after all.

I’m not wizzing on his performances—and I hope he ends up being the next Tom Brady—but we can’t put the fate of the franchise in his hands like this. That wouldn’t be fair to us or him. It’s too much pressure.

There are too many good QBs in the upcoming draft and we’re picking relatively high. It would be nuts to pass on them for Joe Webb after what little we’ve seen of him.

Among things not discussed much about Joe Webb is his upside. If everything goes well (and that’s a lot of things), who would you compare Joe Webb to? Randall Cunningham? Warren Moon? Joe Montana?

There has to be some sort of vision of what Joe Webb could become, other than a fast rookie with a pretty good arm. Then you have to figure out, who is going to train Joe Webb to realize his potential? Do the Vikings even have a quarterbacks coach with a successful track record, that is, a coach that has taken a rookie and trained him to be a good starter?

It’s not just Joe Webb that’s a giant question mark. It’s also the Vikings coaching staff that will need to prove their worth over the next few seasons.

Joe Webb had a ridiculously easy game plan and managed to manage the game, limit mistakes and not turn the ball over. He basically proved he can be a running version of Kyle Orton. Webb didn’t look like a QB that can win you games, but did look like one that won’t lose you many games. To win a Super Bowl with Joe Webb, you’re going to need an outstanding defense (like the 2000 Ravens or ’85 Bears) and an outstanding running game. I say if the Vikings can get Ryan Mallett or Cam Newton, they should jump at the chance. If not, take someone else and bring in a solid veteran (i.e. not Sage Rosenfels) to compete with Webb for the job.

with the probable 18 game schedule and the expansion of the roster to about 58 players, it could mean that teams want 4 QBs.

Right now the Vikings have Webb, Bomar, Archer, & Favre.

Next year I would be OK with Webb starting.

If they can get a veteran to back him up then that would be nice too. Then they can keep the other two as developmental guys.

They also can draft another QB this year. Probably around round 4 or 5.

The problem is the Vikings have other needs too.

IMO, if the get the offensive line upgraded they can utilize their biggest weapon and that is AP!

Whoever the QB is will not have and should not have to do too much.

Unless we are 100% certain that Webb is the QBotF, AND either Bomar or Archer is going to pan out as a reliable backup, the answer has to be No.

Normally I agree with most of the stuff you say, Ted, but this time I have to cut against the grain.

It comes down to where the Vikings are in the standings this year, versus where we’re be in the years to come. We aren’t likely to post a record this bad, next year. If for no other reason, then because our sucky record means we’ll have a lighter season next year which means next year’s draft picks will be much lower. Then, if we need to get a top-rated QB, we’ll have to pay a seriously high price. We could end up losing one of the cornerstones of the franchise in trying to jump high enough to grab a decent prospect QB if we wait til next year.

This year is our best chance to grab a top-rated QB. We let this go, we’ll be drafting long-shot QBs and playing with everyone else’s cast-offs for years to come.

Let’s say Webb is the Anointed One, the QBotF.

Praying that T-Jack is gone, Favre is retiring, that leaves us with Webb, Bomar, and Archer, going into next year. Even we get McNabb or some other competent vet, we still need a good development guy behind Webb. So what if we end up with two top-rated QBs in the stable? We can trade one of them for a 1st round draft pick and then some, it’s not like it goes to waste. Worst case scenario, we have QB-insurance for a few years where we don’t have to freak out if our #1 guy gets injured.

Either way, it makes sense to grab the best available QB with our #1 pick this year.