Drama Is Only Drama If You Make It Drama
by Christopher Gates on Feb 21, 2010 3:12 PM CST
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PrintEveryone knows what many folks will be focusing on this off-season as "the" story for the Minnesota Vikings, and that's the return of quarterback Brett Favre to take another run at a championship. In connection with this, you'll hear the word "drama" bandied about by those media members, as well as members of opposing teams and anyone else that puts this issue onto their radar screen.
The thing these people fail to realize is that there is no "drama" involved in this entire situation. None. Not even a little bit. Either Favre is going to play next season. . .or he's not. Honestly, where's this "drama" that people want to imply is such a big part of this situation? Yes, ESPN is going to freak out about the whole Favre situation, as is every other major sports outlet in America, and that's to be expected. . .they need to generate ratings and sell advertising and all that other good stuff. Fans of Favre's past employers spent off-seasons freaking out and obsessing over the "Will he or won't he" game because. . .well, damn, look at what they have without him.
But I, for one, am not going to get involved in all of that. Why? Two reasons.
Reason number one. . .in case folks aren't paying attention, the Minnesota Vikings are a pretty darn good football team regardless of who plays quarterback for them. This team is absolutely loaded with good, young talent at the skill positions with Adrian Peterson (turns 25 next month), Sidney Rice (24 in September), and Percy Harvin (turns 22 in late May), along with "old timers" like Bernard Berrian and Visanthe Shiancoe (both of whom are currently 29 years of age). The offensive line has two good bookend tackles and the best left guard in the game, and will probably be getting an upgrade in either free agency or the draft. In short, it's set up to the point where darn near any quarterback should be able to succeed within its confines. People forget that this was a 10-6, division championship winning team with Tarvaris Jackson and Gus Frerotte playing quarterback, and there were a lot of players that improved by leaps and bounds from 2008 to 2009. And I didn't even mention the defense. . .a defense which, at last check, is still pretty darn good and will likely be the focus of Minnesota's off-season efforts this spring.
But, really. . .all of that pales in comparison to reason number two. . .
He's totally coming back anyway. I know it, you know it, I believe he knows it. . .and, therefore, there is no reason to get all dramatic about whether he's going to come back or not. He might miss a little bit of training camp. . .which I guess we should worry about because, you know, it turned out to be such a concern last season. Favre's already built a chemistry with his receivers and his offensive line, and the main components of those groups aren't going to change. . .if he misses two-a-days or something like that, who cares? Heck, as far as I'm concerned, Antoine Winfield, Steve Hutchinson, Jared Allen, Pat Williams, and Kevin Williams can all stay home from two-a-days, too. They're veteran guys that take their jobs seriously enough to be ready when they need to be, and if they do so, they're not going to miss a beat.
Brett Favre ended last season as the best quarterback in the NFC North (by a bigger margin than anyone will probably admit) and he'll start 2010 as the best quarterback in the NFC North. The only "drama" is going to come from Bear and Packer fans as they try to come up with reason why their teams, led by their young, wonderful, (allegedly) awesome quarterbacks are staring up at a guy they were convinced was done after the 2007 season. Again.
So settle back, relax, and watch the Vikings upgrade themselves this off-season, ladies and gentlemen. . .rest assured, the quarterback "drama" isn't going to be terribly dramatic for anyone that spends any amount of time following the Beloved Purple.
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Wow
“Fans of Favre’s past employers spent off-seasons freaking out and obsessing over the “Will he or won’t he” game because. . .well, damn, look at what they have without him."
Really? That kinda killed your credibility before you even got started. The Packers and their fans are perfectly happy with Rodgers. This might have been a decent article without that misguided observation. I agree that Brett will return, but don’t expect it to be before training camp. He really hates those. While I agree the Vikings had a better team than the Packers last year, I would say the QB position was a wash overall. I still think the Vike’s best chance is through Brett Favre, not T-Jack. BTW, Brett wants the drama, and he’s going to get him some whether you want it or not.
"He" can get all the drama he wants
But there won’t be any “drama” on this end.
He’s going to be back. . .where’s the drama?
And yes, I’m sure the Packers were thrilled with going 6-10 the year after old, washed-up #4 single-handedly carried them to the NFC Championship Game the year before.
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by Christopher Gates on Feb 21, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree partly
The Packers were not thrilled with losing #4, that is a fact. But they aren’t exactly crying in their beer over their QB situation. Everyone knew there would be a let-down with a QB starting his first year. But to turn it around in only one year is pretty impressive. Who should do better? A veteran QB going to a very good veteran team, or a first-time starter on the youngest team in the NFL? And Rodgers has show poise and class in the worst of circumstances – replacing a legend. I was just wondering why you would belittle Rodgers with “look what the Packers have without Favre”. Both are Pro Bowlers and deserved to be.
And yes, I’m sure the Packers were thrilled with going 6-10 the year after old, washed-up #4 single-handedly carried them to the NFC Championship Game the year before.
We were thrilled with our Qb but not so much our teams season.
by packallday555 on Feb 21, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
agreed...
the only people who make more of this than there should be Favre-haters and people with boring lives.
welzy – how do you know Brett “wants the drama”? you don’t – you’re guessing. NO ONE knows what Brett wants except Brett. those kinds off statements are exactly what pisses me off. it’ll play out on its own. let it be.
True
I do not know what Brett wants. I can only judge by past actions. The press will not let it be, thus the drama. Nobody wants it but the press, yet they are holding the cards when it comes to shoving it out to everyone. Just brace yourselves. Ignoring it will not make it go away.
I don't really care if it goes away.
the Vikings had the national spotlight in the media all season long, why not carry it right over into the off season.
We won’t hear much news about the Packers until late August when a few media idiots will crown the Packers the preseason champs again.
Preseason Champs.......................
Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 21, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Green Bay
Is the only team that I think has a shot of getting us next year. I think they will be better than the Saints, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see The Vikings and Packers play in the title game next year, with the Vikings getting the win and a Super Bowl berth.
Rodgers has turned out to be quite good, and will only get better, but I don’t think he’s good enough to supplant that “Old” man. Not yet.
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He just might
Rodgers still needs more experience. I think last year helped him tremendously, he is definitely top-shelf. I think the Vikes and Packers will be really close this year, it will be tough to call right now. I think a lot of it depends on the off-season. MN has proven to make moves to improve their team that GB is not wanton to do.
I want the quartback that shows real enthusisam
The guy that jumps around like a kid when there’s a score, just like we are all jumping around, wherever we may be, at the same time. I like it when Jared Allen does his imaginary roping move, but when Rodgers was tightning, or loosening, his imaginary belt, it seemed really goofy. Rodgers may be great, but is he goofy?
Speaking of goofy, there’s always Jay Cutler for the Bear fans.
Rodgers is an arrogant unappreciative punk of a QB!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 21, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Reality Check
That doesn’t change the fact that Rodgers is an arrogant unappreciative punk of a QB!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 22, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
I remember it like it was yesterday.
Week 14. Green Bay at Oakland. Favre to Donald Lee for a TD. Rodgers is so excited that he can’t contain himself and jumps off the bench and onto the field to celebrate!
by JethroBoViking on Feb 22, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Rodgy
I thought it was funny late in the season when Rodgers rushed for a TD and pretended to have a championship belt. Someone better tell him you don’t win titles in the regular season. Keep holding onto that ball too long because good DEs can still get to you.
Hard one(loss) to swallow, thats what she said.
While I have no beef against Rodgers, and think he is good & deserving
I must admit, that little ritual seemed … odd. He did it more than once, I think he thinks of it as his “trademark” or something.
But then again, this comes from a guy (me) who also shrugs when Jared does his calf-roping thing. Both of those things seem a little over the top for my tastes.
The only time I thought it was more than just odd, that is was a really dumb idea was when he did it in week 17, in the faces of the team that he was going to have to play the next week for wild card weekend. I think that maybe gave extra motivation to a few Cardinals players, and therefor Rodgers hurt his team. Besides looking a little foolish in hindsight (they made sure he wouldn’t get that belt).
p.s. true story
When my wife (who only intermittently watches games, and barely follows NFL) saw the Rodgers “belt thing” the first time, she did not get it at all. She actually thought — with the pelvis thrust that he does after bringing his hands out in front of his waist — that what Rodgers was pretending to do was grab someone else (man or woman, it’s not clear) and stick his dick in them.
True story, that is what she said. I’ll be honest, I’ll probably always think of that whenever I see it again, lol.
Haha yeah, I don’t know what the whole “belt” thing is about either. Probably the one and only thing I don’t like about him haha. I hate the Allen calf-roping thing though too but that could easily just be because I think the guy is one arrogant SOB.
by packallday555 on Feb 23, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't know football players got belts.
I thought wrestlers got belts and football players got rings. Shows you how much I know.
In defence of Jared Allen, he actually did some calf roping in his youth, so there is a point to it.
by JethroBoViking on Feb 23, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Haha I wasn’t aware either! Evidently I’m in the same boat as you.
I suppose, it still just seems stupid as hell to me haha.
by packallday555 on Feb 23, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
No Drama Here.
I’m 98% sure Favre will be back.
Favre knows his arm is strong, and the fans want an encore…that’s all Favre needs. :)
Favre will be back, but we wont know until the pre-season.
Favre missed TC last year and still played great, so there’s no-way he’s showing up for TC this year.
I love drama..........................
Brett Favre waffling to me, is like a good Soap Opera to all those women out there.
+1 Soap Operas for
The men who want to be women. Green Bay Packer fans!
Hard one(loss) to swallow, thats what she said.
Eh, there's still drama.
Whether you want it or not, it’s going to be a source of tension until game one of the 2010 season because until then, ANYTHING is possible. It’d be silly to count it out. You can be sure he’s coming back (I mean, it makes sense), but this is Favre, and despite how he plays, the guy doesn’t make decisions quickly.
I’m not gonna try and figure anything out. It’d be silly to try and predict what he will or won’t do. So I’m just gonna sit back and wait for my desire for football to come back.
As of now, football is still dead to me. Stupid Saints.
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
True Viking fan,
Wait and see.
True Packer fan, whats Favre up to even though he doesn’t play for us anymore? Is he coming back again to screw us? It couldn’t possibly be for a larger goal to go out a Super Bowl Champion…
Hard one(loss) to swallow, thats what she said.
Well said Gonzo
A bird in the hand is worth about 10.99 at KFC and makes me lick my chops
Yummy!!!!!
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has come out publicly and said they aren’t putting any timetable on Brett to make up his mind on playing or not. These remarks alone say volumes for the possibility of him returning next year. Why would the team make a statement like that unless they already knew the answer? Then, Phat Pat announces he’s returning for another year. All of this leads one to believe that Brett’s made his mind up and it’ll be good news for Vikings fans when the announcement comes.
I’m glad to see you took the time to explain your criticism.
"If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1" Ricky Stanzi
Why?
Because we should freak out over Favre like Packer fans did every year?
Sorry. . .no need.
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by Christopher Gates on Feb 22, 2010 6:26 AM CST up reply actions
Actually, most didn’t “freak out” past probably 2005 or so. After 2003 (which was when he started his annual “to retire or not to retire” bit.) we were all pretty used to it, and we had a Qb in waiting in case he did leave.
I don’t blame you for not freaking out about it because your right, you shouldn’t. But the reality is people are going too. Mostly because that’s just what the media does with Favre, and partly because you have the ever so threatening Tavaris Jackson waiting in the wings.
by packallday555 on Feb 22, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Your glasses are very rose-colored here
Some points I diagree with
1.“obsessing over the ‘Will he or won’t he’ game because. . .well, damn, look at what they have without him.”-This is nonsense. Both of his former teams made the playoffs without him this season; his team from last year, the Jets, missed the playoffs with him and made the AFC Championship Game the next year without him. This is a terrible point.
2. “He’s totally coming back anyway.”-Now this is ridiculously optimistic. I mean if anything, it’s a 50-50 chance.
3. “Brett Favre ended last season as the best quarterback in the NFC North (by a bigger margin than anyone will probably admit) and he’ll start 2010 as the best quarterback in the NFC North. The only ‘drama’ is going to come from Bear and Packer fans as they try to come up with reason why their teams, led by their young, wonderful, (allegedly) awesome quarterbacks are staring up at a guy they were convinced was done after the 2007 season. Again.”-First of all, I don’t think he was the best quarterback in the NFC North at all, and obviously not by a wide margin. You can point to a few points of quarterback rating to back it up but even with that was a slim margin at best and frankly it’s what I’d expect from a quarterback playing behind a much bett offensive line, playing 8 more games in a dome, against man coverage on almost every play due to fear of Adrian Peterson. Throw in Rodgers’ rushing stats and well, to me it’s pretty clear that Rodgers played a bit better this season. I don’t really have a problem with Vikings fans who think their quarterback was better, but when you say that there was a large margin, you’re going to get Packers fans to come out of the woodworks. As far as starting next year as the best quarterback, I don’t really think so because he’s likely to miss a lot of training camp and he’s really old. Also you can’t really fault Bear and Packer fans for thinking that Brett was done playing while he was retired.
4. “The thing these people fail to realize is that there is no ‘drama’ involved in this entire situation.”-There is some drama involved in the situation. If he stays retired and the team doesn’t believe in the new starter like they believed in Brett, then that affects team chemistry. If he skips a lot of training camp and the other players don’t really feel that he’s invested in the team, that affects team chemistry. Just because it worked once, there’s no guarantee it’s going to work again. Football is, above all things, a game of inches and a complete team sport. Any lack of effort or trust can come out on the field and can have a large impacton the game. Now I don’t think that you should be kept up at night worrying about whether Brett comes back but to say that the saga won’t have any effect on the team is just irresponsible. And there’s certainly drama about other aspects of the Vikings team, free agents, injuries, etc. Football is drama. Get used to it.
5. “In short, it’s set up to the point where darn near any quarterback should be able to succeed within its confines.”-I realize that this is just hyperbole, but there’s no offense in the world that fits that description.
6. “The offensive line has two good bookend tackles”-I don’t know if I’d go far, it’s not like you have Clifton and Tauscher in their primes or anything. You have two tackles who played well for a lot of last year, but who no one really knows what to expect from, one of which might get traded this offseason.
7. “watch the Vikings upgrade themselves this off-season,”-How exactly? Free agency in the uncapped year is designed to prevent the final 8 teams from signing free agents and you have big injury question marks at both corners and the middle linebacker position. I don’t think that you can get any immediate starting corners in the draft. Also the Vikings will not do better next year for the simple fact that they have a murderous murderous schedule.
8. “And yes, I’m sure the Packers were thrilled with going 6-10 the year after old, washed-up #4 single-handedly carried them to the NFC Championship Game the year before.”-
This above all things is what should scare you because the 2007-2009 Packers exemplified how close the NFL is by being a playoff calibre team all three years and going 6-10 in 2008. It really proved how you need an experienceed QB to do well in the NFL. As far as Favre carrying us to the NFC Championship Game single-handedly, that’s just not how the game of football works and you know it. Also the Packers were very good all around that year.
It’s not that I don’t think the Vikings will be good next year, because I think they will be, I’m just not extremely extremely optimistic about them. I think that their best competitive window was last year, as they were relatively healthy and had their best play at the quarterback position that they will have. They’re a good bet for the Wild Card unless the Bears get a lot better.
by Donald Driver on Feb 22, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Many
would say it’s because you’re looking at our glasses through your rose colored glasses. Yet another novel length typical Packer bias comment DD. You must really like to hear yourself talk. Go home.
by jshep on Feb 22, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Murderous murderous schedule? Puh-lease
The Vikes played a ‘first place’ schedule this year and went 12-4 and that was against the AFC North. Next year is the AFC East, in my book that’s either easier or a wash. I say no less than 12-4 again this year.
I’m with you on the Favre was better “by a large margin” bit. That’s an awfully homer-ish thing to say. I have no problem with people saying he is better cause he had a great year but by “a large margin”? To imitate jcase below, Puh-lease.
Even saying he will be the best Qb going into next year is a strech. Oh well though. I suppose we all are going to think the guys on our team our better then the guys on other teams.
by packallday555 on Feb 22, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Shoulda split up the sections in different posts
Dude, I liked your post, but it lost some luster by being so long.
lol
Sorry, but you can’t be serious about Favre not being heads above the rest of the NFC North QBs. He did a helluva lot better than Stafford and Cutler. And, yes, he even did better than the almighty Aaron Rodgers. Granted Rodgers was closer to reaching Favre’s status than the other two, but the fact is Favre still did better. All the props to Rodgers, he deserves them… but he’s no Brett Favre. And next year won’t be the year he surpasses him either.
In 2008 when the Pack went 6-10
Their defence was terrible. It forced them to switch to the 3-4 it was so bad. Grant had 1200 rushing yards yes, but only 4 rushing TDs that year. It means the red zone offence was not balanced enough and they relied too heavily on the passing game.
They were not a playoff calibur team in 2008. Losing 10 games is 10 games and if they were that good they would have squeeked out a few more Ws, regardless of how close the games may have been.
Hard one(loss) to swallow, thats what she said.
Yeah, your right about that. We still rely to heavily on the passing game, which is something that probably won’t change.
by packallday555 on Feb 23, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree with that at all
What I was trying to get across is that they had the same players, i.e. relatively the same amount of talent and weren’t able to put some things together that they were able to the year before and the year.
by Donald Driver on Feb 23, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
I only just now got around to (sorta) trying to read this thing from DD. Not gonna comment on most of it, but two observations:
1. you are completely making things up, some of the “points” you are “responding” to aren’t even in Gonzo’s post, e.g:
8. "And yes, I’m sure the Packers were thrilled with going 6-10 the year after old, washed-up #4 single-handedly carried them to the NFC Championship Game the year before."—He didn’t say anything that sounds even remotely like that.
This above all things is what should scare you because the 2007-2009 Packers exemplified how close the NFL is by being a playoff calibre team all three years and going 6-10 in 2008. It really proved how you need an experienceed QB to do well in the NFL. As far as Favre carrying us to the NFC Championship Game single-handedly, that’s just not how the game of football works and you know it. Also the Packers were very good all around that year.
2. they’re not your “glasses” any more, and you are one of the people who keep saying how happy you are that you don’t have to think & deal with this awful, terrible situation anymore. So … why are you here, not only thinking about it, but writing a short book?
Dude, someone found a good match with your old gf, who you dumped because you’d decided she won’t be as hot in five years as the new babe you found. That’s a perfectly valid reson to dump your girlfriend, for some men I suppose, but … a mature man of any kind would be happy for her ex that she was able to move on OK, that you dumping here didn’t end her happiness. But … no, you just can’t quite stop thinking about her, can’t stand that she can actually be happy (happier?) without you.
by puddnhead on Feb 23, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That was a quote that came directly from a comment he made on this very page
so check your facts on that one. As far as your second point goes, not only are you very far off on your characterization of me in your first paragraph, but then you go and drag up some old crap about how I’m a Packer fan and thus permanately bitter about Favre. I thought I made it clear that my problem with the article wasn’t with Favre or with Gonzo, but with the overly optimistic viewpoint. It was essentially saying that the Vikings have no troubles or holes on their team, and they will dominate regardless of what Favre does, who is injured, what holes they have and who they lose in free agency. Every NFL team has question marks and drama; I was trying to be objective and I’d like to thank you for still throwing really dumb commentary my way.
by Donald Driver on Feb 23, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you
Thank you, Gonzo, and all the rest in Vikingdom, for being so … I don’t know, grown up.
You do not know how relieved I am that Vikings fans are not gonna bloom into whining pussies like so many Pack fans did, circa 2006. “Ooh, ah, it’s so hhhhaaaarrrddd that I don’t know what’s gonna happen! Brett deciding to keep playing or not after so many seasons should be easy for him, but don’t expect us to be able to handle not knowing! Maybe it doesn’t really matter all that much yet to the team to know, in February, but it’s hhhhaaarddd for me, wwwwaaaahhhhh!!!!”
I could not stand to endure embarrassment by association with that kind of pervasive crap again.
Tell
us how you really feel, puddnhead, ‘ol buddy… Please consider – it’s possible to tell make one’s point AND stir the pot to the point of being inundated by troll fodder. Just sayin’. Oh, I see you’re posting below, can’t wait to see what it is! Peace, Shep
You seem to think that behavior is somehow incited by me? Scroll up please. Half of the posts made on this thread — before I ever posted to it — were made by Packers fans.
These guys finally get what they asked for all along … they profess on their own little board about how ecstatic they are that they “don’t have to deal with it anymore” and … here they are, going out of their way to continue being involved in it.
Does Not Compute. They boil their own pot, I am just making an observation that it’s boiling, I didn’t light the fire.
But you gotta admit
fanning their flames from your own site just begs for a Nomandy level attack, if you will. I was considering your comment on how grown up Gonzo was in his responses when I wrote the 1st line . And you sir, are a class act here. I do see where you’re coming from, maybe you can see where I was. Absolutly not one word meant as finger pointing.
I never claimed to be a class act
But at lest I don’t pillory former players on my team for being “classless backstabbers” either.
Nice article
And there will be drama and it will suck, but on the bright side it will keep the Vikes in the national spotlight and we will get many more games on national TV next year, and really for me that’s all that matters. Well that and winning the superbowl. oh and beating Green Bay.. Oh and um never mind…
The annoying part about this are all the people that don’t realize that Favre has absolutely no control over what people print about him. They hate him because he’s all over the press being a glory hound, reveling in the drama. Yet, when you actually make them tell you how many statements Favre has made to the press they can’t name one… No in the end this whole thing is a product of making a buck by the networks.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I wish Favre could have found a way to stick with his original attitude with all this BS. But I imagine after more than a half a decade of having to endure the pestering, it got pretty hard.
May 1, 2003 — Two days into the Green Bay Packers’ first mini-camp of 2003, Brett Favre was back talking about a hot button issue from the 2002 season: retirement.
And while his outlook on the topic hasn’t changed — Favre said he still doesn’t know when he’ll call it quits in the NFL — his patience dealing with the subject has expired.
Favre said he still expects to receive questions regarding his inevitable retirement, but he doesn’t plan on answering them. Not anymore. Not after last season, when the subject became “an annoyance.” Not when he still doesn’t have an answer.
“Just leave it alone,” Favre said. "I mean, I don’t know. I really don’t know.
“I hope that it’s not injury that forces me out; I think every player hopes that. And if I can still play the way I’m capable of playing, able to compete the way I can compete, then we’ll just see. We’ll leave it at that, and at the end of the season I’m going to be fielding all those questions again.”
Joked Favre: “I can’t even remember how the whole retirement thing started, but whoever started it needs to be shot.”
The media is
kinda like when your kid is 3 or 4, and you go on a 100 mile trip. Every 10 minutes they ask ‘Are we there yet’? Eventually, the parent grows weary of the constant same question.
Return
All of the talking heads at ESPN can spout whatever lame thoughts come into their empty heads; I just hope that Bret comes back next summer and plays at the same level as he did this past year. If that happens, the Vikings will have a team that can compete for the Superbowl once again, no matter what other teams do or don’t do.
Packers fans are like guy who dumped his wife
then doesn’t want anyone else to have her….and when it’s his rival that gets her has a freakin’ meltdown and calls her a trollop….in this case TRAITOR.
That is what half the Packer nation did last summer, DESPITE how much they love Rodgers and I for one find it immature and despicable.
And you Pack posters are in some kind of denial about the emotional state of the Packer nation last August when Favre signed with Vikes …acting all Joe Cool about it. Everyone else thought the state of Wisconsin needed to be in psychotherapy or something they were so bent outta shape.
That is what half the Packer nation did last summer, DESPITE how much they love Rodgers and I for one find it immature and despicable.
What about it is immature and despicable? These are the types of comments I just don’t get. I don’t agree with the Favre lovers on their view of the whole 07’ fiasco but I don’t go telling them their “immature” or “despicable”?
There was an ugly “break-up” between Favre and our organization. Both sides took plenty of heat, but so did another side who did absolutely nothing wrong, Aaron Rodgers.
The guy calmly, and collectively answered question after question about Favre day after day. Sure it may seem easy enough and it probably is but something like that can be hard on your mental state, especially under those circumstances. And while I’m talking about mental states, we might as well talk about how training camp went right? You know, where “Packers” fans showed up to boo him, and tell him he sucked. Really, did the guy really deserve that? Here the guy is doing his job, and he has to deal with what appear to be “Packers” fans booing him and yelling at him simply because he was the Qb TT and our coaching staff chose to replace him. (Notice that I made a point to say he was chosen by our organization to replace Favre, not the other way around.) I mean I don’t know how many of you have ever played football, or any sport for that matter but if you have just try and imagine yourself in that situation, playing at the highest level of your sport. Having to follow one of the greatest players ever would be hard enough. So now imagine all the added pressure because of how the whole situation played out.
For me the way some people acted towards him was “immature” and “despicable”. For that simple reason, fandom aside, I wanted to see him succeed. And obviously because I was and have been a fan of the Green Bay Packers my life I wanted to see him succeed.
Rodgers had the MOST pressure of ANY Qb in NFL history on him, easily. He had to replace what is one of the greatest Qb’s of all time, and what was the face of our franchise for nearly two decades. He came in, and did more then a respectable job, and that in itself made me love the guy. And how he had handled himself prior to ever playing was just kind of an added bonus for me.
I don’t think my following of him is “immature” or “despicable”, and honestly it’s not any different from you following Favre. As a person I like the guy, and the way he carries himself. As a fan, I love the way the guy plays. Where is the immaturity in that?
by packallday555 on Feb 22, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
08 NOT 07
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 24, 2010 1:59 AM CST up reply actions
And you Pack posters are in some kind of denial about the emotional state of the Packer nation last August when Favre signed with Vikes …acting all Joe Cool about it.
Despite what you may think, the game of football is not all about Brett Favre. After Favre left in 2007 he was gone. It was clear to anyone with a brain that he wouldn’t ever be making a comeback to GB before retiring for good, and with that I (and I’m sure many others) moved on. Rodgers had a good year in 2008, and because of that I don’t think many of us were very concerned about our team.
Sure, I didn’t like that Favre signed with the Vikings. I can’t lie, it felt a little like a stab in the back to the Packers, and it seemed to me like a lot of him doing so was a “revenge factor”. I understood though, and recognized that the guy should be able to play football if he still wanted to, and also understood him wanting to sign on with a very good team. I know a lot of fans who felt like me, and also knew my fair share of fans who were in a frenzy about it like you suggested. I don’t know if anybody needed to be in “psychotherapy” though..
by packallday555 on Feb 22, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Psychotherapy should be mandatory for all Packer fans...
Just ’cause they are Packer fans!
BAAAAA ZING!!!
/will be here all week.
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
U R SOOOO WRONG......
It sure is all about Favre!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 24, 2010 2:01 AM CST up reply actions
They're still not over it!
I still hear the hate every day at work. It amazes me that people still cant let it go.
I live in Packerland—-Appleton to be exact, and I woulda thought that it would wind down after the season ended but i was wrong. It is turning into a deep seeded hate for the man. Packer fans are turning into a bunch of whining little crybabies. Well, ok, not all packer fans are that way. After all, Favre’s jersey is the 3 best selling jersey in Green Bay!
Hey strato I live in oshkosh and know exactly what you are talking about. The leve of hate and the denial of it is unbelievably high in these parts. Were you always a Vik fan?
I have been a fan since the days of the Purple People Eaters angryguy.
I was born and raised south of Milwaukee but in my years as a youngster, I was sucked in by the awesomeness that was Bud Grant and never fell to the dark side. :)
by stratoscaster on Feb 23, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, Fox Valley is the source of the worst venom IMO
Appleton, Oshkosh, Fond du Lac, etc.. Green Bay and the south (Madison, Milwaukee) are much less … over the top. Based on my anecdotal evidence.
was he better..
He was 2 games better then the GB QB…and 1 game in the playoffs better…now he was only 1 game better then Jay…should he return, I have no doubt he will sweep the packers QB again…and could be only 1 game better again vs Jay.
read my lips
Packadilly…this isn’t about Brett Favre vs. Aaron Rodgers…uniformly the Vikings acknowledge that Aaron Rodger is an incredible quarterback (as do I), I mean skill wise….but he lacks CHARISMA.
The point is, even you yourself admit…when Favre wanted to sign with Vikings (both 2008 and 2009) you felt this twinge of “Favre is doing it for revenge.” That’s my point…you won’t let the guy have a life and finish his career as he wants to. He wanted to keep playing…and the Vikings gave him the perfect place to do it and “be a contendah”.
I don’t think it’s Rodgers vs. Favre. I just think it’s kind of crazy that a lot of the Favre backers hate Rodgers simply because he replaced him as Qb of the Packers. Because again, he really had no control over the situation.
The point is, even you yourself admit…when Favre wanted to sign with Vikings (both 2008 and 2009) you felt this twinge of "Favre is doing it for revenge."
Just because I think he definitely had some intentions of revenge doesn’t mean I “won’t let the guy have a life.” Like I said above, I can understand why Favre wanted to sign and play for the Vikings. They had and have a great team, and the only thing missing for them was a Qb. It’s really a no brainer. But at the same time, there is no doubt in my mind he signed with them with the thought of revenge lingering in his head. I don’t think that means I am not letting him live his life what so ever.
by packallday555 on Feb 22, 2010 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think you guys get it
PLEASE ask yourself “When did Brett Favre first discuss retirement?”. Bet you are WAY off! The Packers had to deal with the POSSIBILITY ever since Jan. 3, 1997. No kidding. A full decade, year in, year out, over and over. When he FINALLY did it, the Packers took him at his word and drafted 2 QBs and changed their offense to fit the new QB. Favre then unretired. Then retired AGAIN a short time later. Then unretired once the Packers were set with a different team leading into training camp. What do you do with that kind of adult child? The inmate was not allowed to lead the Packer Asylum, but he certainly is running the Vike asylum. Better than Chilly anyways. Yeah Favre is a great QB, and all Pack fans will miss him in one way or another, but until you experience this “drama” 10 years in a row, you have no idea.
Yeah Favre is a great QB, and all Pack fans will miss him in one way or another, but until you experience this "drama" 10 years in a row, you have no idea.
Yeah, kinda sums up exactly how I feel about the whole thing. But we’ve all been over this a million times, and we all know where each other stands on this.
by packallday555 on Feb 22, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
What drama?????????????????????????????????????
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 24, 2010 2:02 AM CST up reply actions
p.s.
Talking like there’s been serious talk of retirement since 1997 is really twisting things now. Come on, you know it.
All he needed was a taste
I’m just saying the word “retirement” started 13 years ago. How sad is that? I think he got egged on and never looked back.
Thirteen years of drama, eh?
Well, I think you have just completely validated Gonzo’s thesis.
You see him being “egged on” into creating drama continually since Bill Clinton was still President, and the Brewers were still in the American League. While Vikings do not see drama — merely tolerable and understandable uncertainty. Yes indeed, Drama Is Only Drama If You Make It Drama.
You have just secured yourself (and your likeminded fellow fans) the undisputed title of Drama Queens! LOL
by puddnhead on Feb 23, 2010 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The drama was not wondering if he would retire
The drama was trying to get into our team in the offseason and digging into available info only to have all the articles pointing to the same thing you don’t care about reading. That was what the pain was. We want to read about our draft picks or our offseason acquisitions (we would have WAY rather read about offseason acquisitions). We were force-fed the Favre Drama. This is only year one for you, it got worse for us every year. To judge us like that is total ignorance.
by Welzy on Feb 23, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
get a therapist
geez. let me get this right. you had aaron rodgers on the bench. so why was the brett favre retirement drama a problem? That’s what the vikes are saying…no drama…he retires we have two QB’s. Favre’s old..if we think we need a QB for the future we do our best in the draft no matter what…or we go back to TJ…
The therapy part is the guilt…you feel guilty to have thrown Favre under the bus so you could move on to Rodgers…and then to compensate you (with the help of the anti-Favre Fleischer propanda machine) have to make Favre look like the bad guy. Yeah, the guy that brought you to the dance, freakin paid for your freakin stadium. Yeah, you should feel guilty.
by lorenzo4 on Feb 23, 2010 8:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
That’s the thing though, Favre wasn’t thrown under the bus for the most part. The only thing I would say TT did wrong in the whole thing was trading him to the Jets when he had said he wanted to play for the Bucs. Aside from that Favre retired, and was basically given 2 months to unretire. He didn’t do so, and then TT told him that they were going to move on. Then Favre decided he wanted to come back, and it’s like ok, but we already told you we’re moving on. I mean I can see how some can think it was wrong of TT to not take him back but the team had moved forward and done things as if Favre weren’t going to play like he told them twice.
So if your saying he threw him under the bus because of the trade then yeah I don’t necessarily disagree with you but if your talking about the things that transpired before I just can’t understand how he was thrown under the bus.
by packallday555 on Feb 23, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
TT's move was the worst move in NFL History!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 24, 2010 2:04 AM CST up reply actions
Haha it doesn’t even come close to the worst move in NFL history.
by packallday555 on Feb 24, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
He sure did throw Favre under the Bus!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 24, 2010 2:05 AM CST up reply actions
Gonzo and Favre
Oh how much your opinion of a guy has swayed…
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2007/9/27/194621/076
“It doesn’t matter if Captain Overrated managed to get Reggie White and Desmond Howard to carry him to a ring while guys like Sir Francis and Dan Marino never got one. Favre couldn’t lift either of their jockstraps, let along carry them.”
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2007/4/30/25338/6734
and my personal favorite:
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2006/10/9/1432/99536
“Brett Favre crapping the bed in crunch time. Again. – Yes, not related to this game, per se, but it’s always good to see.”
I know you make these ridiculous opinions for web page views and controversy. Congratulations, it’s working. Or maybe you’re just a huge homer.
what a complete waste of time
you actually had to do some digging didn’t you
very interesting none the less
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
Haha I decided to take a look at the first link you provided and found this beauty as well.
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t like Brett Favre. I think he’s arrogant, I think he’s selfish, and that “aw, shucks” attitude he goes around with doesn’t have me fooled as it does so many members in the media.
I guess this means Favre changed his ways when he came to Minnesota this year?
by packallday555 on Feb 24, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Why yes, yes it does!
;)
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Man, it gets better!
Gonzo also says Fran Tarkenton was a better QB than Favre, “After all. . .10 is, always has been, and always will be greater than 4.”
Has Gonzo ever publicly said he was wrong about Favre?
Well isn't this the pot calling the kettle black
I think there are only a few with irons in this fire that can claim to have had a consistent opinion here. Myself and R4F, among others. Packers fans like you and pad555 and Welzy ripping Vikings fans for doing a 180 on their opinions of Favre is indeed … priceless … Welzy.
(shrugs)
I’m not even trying to necessarily rip them. More so just trying to point out that some people actually did have things about Favre that they didn’t like. In talking with a lot of the people here it seems that the only reason they thought we were saying Favre was selfish was simply because he was on the Vikings, which just wasn’t true. Or at least in my case. I’m not trying to say I didn’t like him when he was on the Packers because I certainly did. I just also thought he was selfish, though I have to admit I didn’t care all that much because he was generally pretty good for us and our team and as a fan that’s what you ultimately want most.
by packallday555 on Feb 26, 2010 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
that was then and this is now
whatever gotcha game you Packers trolls seem to be infatuated with, who really gives a rats tush and why are you here in the first place. Gonzo posted that we should all relax and he’s not worried about the drama….and in your desperate need to justify YOUR past drama you seem to need to go on and on.
when you go to a rival’s website unless you are pure of heart/mind you are pretty much going to stir up crap when it never existed. Gonzo is saying no sweat and you guys come here to justify your negative hater attitudes toward Favre.
If you don’t have something positive to contribute…GO AWAY! (I would never DREAM of posting crap on a Packer site).
Wow
Pure of heart/mind on any NFL blog? What happens here is the same as what happens when a fumble happens. We start off wondering where it is going to turn, then we pile on, then scrap. We still try to live by a loose set of ethical rules, some don’t. Then we move to the next thread. Go back to your knitting…
There’s no game it’s just funny to see some comments like this made. And it’s not like it’s only Gonzo, I’m sure most Vikings fans felt the same way aabout Favre. The only thing is many of us GB fans thought many of the same things about Favre. I eventually grew tired of his whole “Aww shucks” demeanor and was able to see he was selfish, especially in the way he played at times and handled his retirement situation in 2008. But when some of us tried to say some of these things to Vikings fans it was automatically assumed we were only saying them because “he is a Viking now and we’re jealous”, which just wasn’t always the case.
by packallday555 on Feb 24, 2010 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
There are a lot less "Aww shucks" when
You only throw 7INTs in a season. The least you saw with Favre in a season was 13. Almost double. Yes Rodgers threw only 7 as well but lost to the Vikes twice, got sacked 50 times and fumbled 10 times(4lost). Lost his first playoff game too. He had a speechless “aww shucks” look on his face when things werent going his way this season.
Hard one(loss) to swallow, thats what she said.
Actually he doesn’t really take the “aw shucks” approach but oh well. As far as Rodgers statistics go it’s hard to make his look bad. Some of the sacks were his fault but a lot came as a result of poor o-line play. We got Tauscher and Clifton back healthy and in the last 8 games he was only sacked 9 times. Still not great but much better then 41 sacks through the first 8 games. The fumbles were a result of the poor o-line and him holding onto the ball. I’m sure he’ll improve on that aspect of his game.
by packallday555 on Feb 25, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Apples/Oranges
You are inferring that Rodgers and Favre had equal support. GB was the youngest team 4 years in a row and MN was a veteran team needing a QB to win the Super Bowl, but didn’t even get there. I believe you will be even more disappointed at this time next year.
The Vikings have a fairly young offense as well.
The veterans would be Mckinnie, Hutch and Kleinsausser.
Their RT was a rookie, and their Center was a first year player. The Vikings WR’s are a pretty young group as well.
Now I’m not arguing that I would rather have Favre over Rodgers or vice versa, I’m just saying it’s not as black & white as you make it seem.
Favre didn’t get us to the SB, but he didn’t exactly lose the NFCCG for us neither.
I’ll remind you that this was Favres 1st year as a Viking, and he still put up MVP #‘s
You make it sound like he didn’t even make the PO’s. The Vikings turned the ball over 5x’s in NFCCG, and the Saints only beat them by 3 points in overtime.
No other QB has ever won a SB in his first year with a team, yet you think Favre was supposed to. Next year might be disappointing, but probably no more disappointing for the Vikings than the Packers.
In case you missed it
Favre was signed to win the Super Bowl last year, not just make the playoffs. T-Jack could have taken you that far.
The Vikings brought Favre in for a couple reasons.
Yes winning a SB was one of them, but there’s more.
Not having a good QB is costing the Vikings money. They had great difficulty selling out last years PO game with Jackson and Frerotte as their QB, not to mention the reg season games as well.
The Vikings thought that bringing Rosenfels in would increase season ticket sales, but it really did nothing, the fans still weren’t buying tickets… This put the Vikings in a position where they had to make a gamble. They had no choice but to dial 1-800 FAVRE
I’m sure the Vikings aren’t upset with Favres performance at all. Favre gave them the best season he’s ever had. He gave them the leadership the Vikings were missing in the huddle, and that ultimately took them to the NFCCG.
I’m sure the Vikings are happy with winning their division for the 2nd consecutive year.
I’m sure they’re happy with sweeping the Packers.
I’m sure they’re happy with selling-out all their home games, and winning all their home games….including a PO game.
I’m also sure they’re happy with the fans wanting another year of Favre.
In my opinion, the Vikings had a successful year, and they wouldn’t have been as successful with Jackson as their QB.
It’s not but I have a feeling you already knew that :)…Favre did pretty much everything he could and more to try and help the Vikings get to a championship. Anyone who tries to downplay that simply because he didn’t win the SB like many had hoped/thought is crazy. He couldn’t help that AP did a horrible job of opening up his “bread basket” for him, or Berrian fumbling on the Saints 10 yard line, or Harvin fumbling deep in your own territory.
by packallday555 on Feb 26, 2010 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
I’ll remind you that this was Favres 1st year as a Viking, and he still put up MVP #‘s
This isn’t really a big deal. You guys run the West Coast offense, which Favre knows better then any other Qb in the league and probably coach. The only difficulty is gelling with your WRs but for a Qb as great as Favre that takes no more then 3-4 games.
Your right Favre was great this year and really did everything you guys needed him to do and more. Many people, myself included figured he would be more of a game manager but he definitely proved them and me wrong. He had an all-pro type year. You guys didn’t lose the NFCCG because of Favre by any means. The 5 fumbles killed you guys. His mistake was a costly one though.
by packallday555 on Feb 26, 2010 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
My question is what does Rodgers play have to do with anything I just said about Favre? That seems to always be the defense mechanism for some Vikings fans whenever I say anything about Favre, and I don’t get why. I merely tried to point out that just because Favre was the Vikings Qb this year doesn’t mean that I couldn’t have thought he was selfish when he was our Qb in Green Bay. As well as saying his “aw shucks” attitude grew old to me. And in response I get a response pointing out the only bad things Rodgers did this year, with some of them not being bad (7 INTs) and some of them not being entirely his fault (sacks.) I guess I just don’t see the revelance.
by packallday555 on Feb 26, 2010 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
True they didn't have equal support.
Rodgers also didn’t have Peterson and everyone worried about him to distract from the passing game. I don’t know if you mean dissappointed this time next year b/c the team is getting old but I’ve heard it from Packer faithful before. The Viking are not that old. Pat Williams, Winfeild, and Hutch(32) are getting up there. Other than those guys they are pretty young(-1 Silver Fox).
Hard one(loss) to swallow, thats what she said.
Fair points...
…. for the most part.
Everyone not named RevengeforFavre who thought Favre would have the best year of his career in 2009 raise your hand?
Yeah, neither did I.
He outplayed Rodgers this past year. You won’t get an argument from me on that. I didn’t think he was capable of having the year he had, but I was wrong. Maybe I’m being foolish, but while I think he’ll be back next year, I also think there’s virtually no chance he performs as well.
And regardless, I’ll still take Rodgers, thanks very much. He might not have been better than Favre in 2010, but he wasn’t that far off, and he’s certainly much better than Favre was in his second season as a starting QB.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
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