Best Quarterback Ever
by stallone on Feb 22, 2010 5:18 PM CST
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I just recently read Jason Whitlocks Top 10 quarterbacks list. And I have to say, for a guy who expects us to take his list serious, he didn't provide much justification for what i thought to be a questionable list. Heres the link:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/the-10-greatest-qbs-of-all-time.
But if your to lazy to click on it. John Elway was #1(Should be around 3 or 4 in my opinion) Steve Young #5(Disagree), Brett Favre was #7(Should be top 2 with Montana), Manning was #8(Sounds good to me after hearing people hail him as a mix of Joe Montana and Jesus) and Staubach was #9(WOW).
Im sure youll all be deleted at Fran Tarkenton making the list at #10. (Or maybe you wont because every time Brett Favre has a rare bad game Fran comes out of hiding to brutally critize him. Then back into hiding for 4 or 5 games until Favre falters again.) So basically i was wondering what DN's view on the matter is.
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What a joke...
Way to high: Elway at #1? Young at #5? Brady at #6?
I’d put Manning over Brady, and Favre over both. I personally think its Favre and Montana as the #1 and #2.
Whitlock loves stirring the pot, if any of you read his other articles you know.
As a KC Chiefs fan I can attest to the fact he is the biggest blowhard in sports reporting (He's a writer for the KC Star)
I’m honestly suprised Jeff George isn’t on his list.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 22, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Now that is funny.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
The 11 Greatest QBs of all-time:
1. Favre
2. Montana
3. Unitas
4. Elway
5. Starr
6. Staubach
7. Brady
8. Manning
9. Marino
10. Tarkenton
11. Young
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 22, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'd put Young over Marino
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
These lists are always bunk.
Lists like these, no matter what the list is about, favor recent people or things over more deserving candidates from before the list maker’s time on earth. It’s not a knock, it is just human nature.
If Otto Graham is not at least considered in the top 3 of all time QB’s, I know the list maker did not do his/her research. To leave him out of the top 10 is a travesty. (I am old, but Graham as well as Unitas in his prime, are before my time) And of course the game has changed, so it is almost impossible to compare QB’s from different eras.
Another to consider in the top 10: Bobby Lane. The only Detroit QB ever worth a damn. ;-P
The 12 Greatest QBs of all-time:
1. Favre
2. Montana
3. Unitas
4. Elway
5. Starr
6. Staubach
7. Brady
8. Manning
9. Marino
10. Tarkenton
11. Young
12. Graham
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 22, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
LOL, just playing with ya.
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 22, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Always somebody left out on these
Whether its Bart Starr or Terry Bradshaw. It’s just somebody saying, “OK here’s ten guys that popped into my head. Forget about the rest.” There’s no real way to rank Tarkenton vs Steve Young. They had similar playing styles but the rules and the game changed.
On NFL Network’s recent Top 10 “Playoff Miracle” Games of All-Time, the Vikings were 1-2 overall (one win, two losses). 1969, 1987, 1998. For some reason they didn’t have 2009.
Did you watch the episode of "Missing Rings" last night?
It was about the 98 Vikes. It was bitter sweet to watch. They interviewed CC and Randle. They both had some great quotes.
Randle was talking about the hype leading up to the 1st GB game on MNF. He was saying how some of the younger Vikes were talking about getting Favre’s autograph. And he says he told them, “F*ck Farve. He will whoop our ass if we let him.” They aired the chicken commercial where Randle made a little Favre jersey and put it on a chicken and chased it around. That was one my favorite commercials ever.
CC was talking about how he wasn’t always the favorite player on the team because he spoke his mind all the time. He said that he “hated team sports…it was hard to depend on other people” to get the job done. They showed a clip where the d was coming off the field and CC got in Orlando Thomas’ face, CC yells at him “it’s time for you to make some plays out there dammit!” Thomas was pissed. Told CC back, “Don’t call me out like that!” CC said, “well make some plays then!”
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Yeah
I watched it on Youtube a while back. It’s depressing.
by medicineball on Feb 23, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Top 10 Quarterbacks of All Time
There’s so many great QBs that’s it’s actually really tough to pick just 10 :) . Everyone has their own favorite yardstick for measuring this one, but here’s mine;
1 – Did they change/define the position in their time?
2 – If your life depends on winning the game, who do you want at quarterback?
So… here’s my 2 cents worth;
1) Sammy Baugh
2) Fran Tarkenton
3) Johnny Unitas
4) Joe Montana
5) Dan Fouts
6) John Elway
7) Brett Favre
8) Sonny Jurgenson
9) Steve Young
10) Dan Marino
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Wow you must be ancient!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
LOL; I was like: Did he date Laura Engles Wilder in H.S.?
With his criteria, only Bough really qualifies. The guy made the forward pass fashionable
Come on, LH, give me a break here! Baugh did more than that, the man could play just about every position on the field at an all-pro level! Tark not only created the paradigm of scrambling, he was part of Grant’s conception and implementation of the very first “WCO”, long before Walsh showed up. Unitas didn’t know the meaning of the word, ‘quit’, and no one rallied the troops better than Montana. Fouts was the trigger-man for Air Coryell, arguably the greatest aerial attack ever :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Watching Montana
Was like watching a master artist, that man could do things with an offence that I have yet to see again. He never gave up and his accuracy was simply amazing. Yes he had an excellent team around him but I think in truth he raised every player on his team to the next level.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Yes he was a joy to watch and that over many many years...
Always hated when we played against him, but loved to see him play as he did….so in those situations where we faced off was a love/hate discord…He is number one with me….over Fran and even Favre…others notable but he stands far above all IMO…Favre is another one I enjoy week in and week out though…especially since he is wearing proper colors and playing for the right team now….shoulda been here years ago!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Feb 23, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
LOL!
I have to admire a QB that fights like hell to win the game and doesn’t give up. If the list were longer, Kapp would be in there too :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I’m not sure I’d agree with this, but it’s definitely closer than that crap list linked in the OP.
My general rule of thumb for “Greatest QB Ever” lists is this: If it doesn’t include Slingin’ Sammy on the list somewhere, that says the writer is too ignorant to even be making a list.
It’s like compiling a list of top ten receivers and not including Don Huston, or a list of top ten RBs without Jim Brown.
Nothing scientific about my list, just my opinion
10. Dan Marino. Mad numbers, no Super Bowl rings. Even though he’s led a bunch of comebacks in his career, I think I’d rather have the ball in the hands of an Elway or Montana if the “big” game were on the line.
9. Fran the Man Tarkenton. He had all the numbers before Marino came along. And even though he doesn’t have any rings either, unlike Marino, Fran led his team to the SB more than once.
8. Terry Bradshaw. Doesn’t have great numbers, but four rings doesn’t hurt.
7. Tom Brady. I struggled with this one. I would have had no problem putting him high on this list prior to his injury. Now he just seems like a complainer to me. 3 rings and counting though, hard to argue with that.
6. Peyton Manning. I couldn’t believe that the article had Brady ahead of Manning. Brady has more rings, but Manning has more MVP’s. Plus I’ve never thought of Manning as being soft. Whitlock must be a hater.
5. Steve Young. Athletic. Dual-threat. I hated him.
4. Brett Favre. All the numbers and I mean all of them. Plus he’s got a ring and 3 MVPs.
3. Johnny Unitas. Never saw him play, he was well before my time. But I’ve heard many speak very highly of him, some even calling him the best ever.
2. John Elway. When the game is on the line, I’d want to have the top 2 guys on this list.
1. Joe Montana. Montana has more rings and MVP’s than Elway. That’s the only reason he’s number one and Elway is number 2.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Do anybody ever feel like
distinguishing between the BEST qb ever and the SECOND BEST is almost meaningless? There’s really no way to consistently judge every QB that has ever played…and with that, let me say:
Brett Favre is only the greatest QB ever statistically, and that is only because he has played forever. So, I think the number one argument for Favre being the best is longevity, which has been truly incredible, unrivaled by any player in any other sport in my opinion (closest being Jim Marshall and Cal Rip I guess? Marshall played defensive line, which is actually more impressive than QB in terms of consecutive starts, especially at a time when linemen were allowed to beat the hell out of each other). Where was I? Oh right, QBs.
I would have to go with Elway. Even before the two Super Bowl wins, he had built up a pretty incredible resume in terms of playoff heroics, 4th quarter comebacks, etc. Great arm, great runner, great leader. Did a lot with some teams that weren’t exactly the cream of the crop. A lot of so-so running backs benefitted from having Elway’s arm in front of them (Bobby Humphrey, Sammy Wilder, Gaston Green). Oh, and after all that, he led two teams to the super bowl!
I would put him at 1 with Montana a close 2.
3. Manning
4. Marino
5. Unitas
Favre has been nice, exciting and so on. Too many playoff disasters. His best years came on teams that were insanely talented. The biggest difference here is that those 5 guys I listed did not make some of the unforgivable and bone-headed plays/decisions Favre has made over and over. Marino lost in the playoffs a lot, but that’s what happens when your team isn’t that good, and you run the ball 10 times for 12 yards. Elway was great in the playoffs, just got manhandled by much better teams in Super Bowl (plus made up for his bad super bowls with two wins).
"Brett Favre is only the greatest QB ever statistically and that is only because he has played forever "
Longevity of couse has something to do with it. But he broke most of those records in 2007, and at that time played the same amount of seasons as Dan Marino. Also a lot of people don’t realize (or forget) that Favre didn’t play his 1st year in the NFL.
Longevity is huge
I can’t dicredit anybody for playing a long time. Although I do try (if you saw my jerry rice-cris carter posts you’ll understand).
Cumulative stats just don’t impress that much much. And even if he missed ONE year, he had still played a ton of games by then… I’m not sure the significance of him missing just one season of his career, especially since he was like 21 that year, he came in relatively young. Most QB’s miss at least 16 games in their career, so…
Along those lines though, I often wonder what Kurt Warner could have done if he hadn’t had to wait so long to break in. But then again, even in the 2000s Warner wasted a few years. But he has racked up some huge stats for a guy that hasn’t played many games. Warren Moon also spent like 5 or 6 years in canada before coming to the NFL.
Warner played in beautiful weather/domes
With the greatest show on turf and four hall of fame wideouts (Bruce, Holt, Fitzgerald, and maybe Boldin) Favre played in the coldest stadium in the NFL. And if you live in a cold city, you know how much that takes out of your arm.
Favre 1992-1998 vs Warners career.
Pass attempts
Favre: 3700
Warner: 4000
Tds: Favre 213
Warner: 208.
Had Favre played on the same Rams teams he wouldve blown Warner out of the water
Ok, I have whined.
So I will make my own list.
1. Otto Graham-Greatest winner of all time
2. Johnny Unitas-My dad said he was the best he ever saw.
3. Joe Montana-Best i ever saw. But dad said Unitas was better. I defer to the old man.
4. Sammy Baugh-Revolutionized the game.
5. Dan Marino-Great QB on avg. teams.
6. Fran Tarkenton-Terrible human being but great QB.
7. Peyton Manning-May move up this list before his career is over.
8. Steve Young-Most entertaining ever to watch. And talented.
9. Roger Staubach-I hated him, but can’t fault him.
10. Gary Cuozzo- Just seing if anyone is actually paying attention.
Other not mentioned by anyone yet.: Y.A. Tittle, John Hadl, Don Meredith, Joe Namath, Roman Gabriel, Bob Griese and my personal fave as a youth; Daryl Lamonica.
Where is Brett Favre??????????????????????????????
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 23, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry R4F.
I have spent years keeping Favre out of the top ten. This is due to the fact that this debate has been ongoing in my fantasy football league message board for all this time. We have 6 Viking fans and 6 Packer fans in our league. I can not install him in the top ten just because he is now a Viking. Besides I don’t think he is a top ten all-timer.
Why?I strongly believe that his statistical advantage is due to his longevity, NOT his overall talent. Is he is a great QB? Yes. Is he a top ten all-timer? Not in my humble opinion. I know this will not sit well with many of you (especially you R4F), but I feel Favre lost too many games on his own to be considered a top 10 all time QB. His gunslinging ways, as exciting as they are, cut both ways. There I said it.
Odin......................................
Brett Favre will force you to put him #1 after he…………………………..
wins the 2010 NFL MVP…………………………
leads the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV……………………..
while leading the Vikings to a perfect 19-0 record.
Then you will have noooooo choice in the matter!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Feb 23, 2010 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
10. Gary Cuozzo- Just seing if anyone is actually paying attention.
I think I threw up a little in the back of my throat when I first read that, lol.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
How about
Cuozzo being the greatest QB ever … with repeating z’s* in his name?! ;-0
*this distinction eliminates Jim Zorn.
Cuozzo
A reliable backup QB…terrible as a starter. If not for the great defenses of 1970 and 1971, he wouldn’t have had a winning record. It’s a damn shame that the teams of those two years were wasted with him at the helm.
No to Staubach
I know the guy’s an HoF’er, but for my criteria, he loses a lot of standing because he was the first starting QB on a winning NFL team who DID NOT call his own plays. The tactical genius behind the early powerhouse Dallas Cowboys was Tom Landry, not Roger Staubach.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Sorry Odin
But longevity cant get you mvps. Longevity isn’t responsible for throwing 39 TD passes. Or 35. And also, these “extremely talented teams” Favre played on.. well, heres a fact. Brett Favre played 16 years in GB, and played with no OFFENSIVE hall of famer. Never had great recievers, never had a dominant RB this is his first chance with great recievers and a dominant RB, and he was one of the top 3 passers in the league.
By the way i guess Marino (who had better recievers) records had nothing to do with longevity, he got on your list though… and with one less SB ring.
I don’t find your ideas ridiculous, but i find the information you use to back them up to be 100% false
whoops
I apologize for misquoting you, it was Tuckerbjt who said favre only won with insanly talented teams. Appart from that i dont like your list
We can argue your points
til the end of time. Some of your points may be valid. Here are some refutations from moi:
1. A great player makes those around him better. Favre did not do this. That is why there are no other HOF’s that he played with on offense. (this is utterly impossible to prove either way)
2. When quoting his stellar stats- do not forget his interceptions. Favre’s stats go both ways.
3. IMO his rec’s this year are no better than a lot of his Packer years. O.K.-Sidney Rice was great this year. Nevermind.
4. Your RB point is valid. Although the GB Super Bowl year, Dorsey Levens had a career year. I know this because he was on my fantasy team that year; much to the chagrin of the Packer fans in my league.
I believe that Favre is the best option for our Vikes. Both last season and for this upcoming season. I believe he is and has been a great QB. He is fun to watch. He can be frustrating to watch when he goes off the edge. But I am still of the opinion that he is not in the top ten all time QB’s. I believe that you will not ever agree with me on this. Therefore I think we should just agree to disagree on this matter. ;-)
hall of famers or not
The two 1990s packers teams that made the super bowl were insanely talented. those defenses were GREAT. Throughout Favre’s career they usually had a better than average offensive line, and bennett and levens weren’t great, but I made the same point for Elway (Winder,humphrey, green), so I guess that is a wash? And don’t forget that the packers super bowl mvp was a kick returner. sounds like a team effort.
Obviously I am not trying to say favre isn’t/wasn’t late. And I did some research and saw that Elway threw an INT in almost every playoff game he played in before the 1997 season. I don’t know, I think we could probably go point for point on this type of debate for an eternity. I don’t think Brett Favre is the greatest QB ever mostly because I just don’t like the way he has lost. I think he is a selfish player, and I think his toughness is sort of inconsistent…sometimes he takes a beating and keeps chugging, other times he seems to do anything possible to avoid hits (see 2004 wildcard vs vikes). I know that Elway had a way of disappearing in the playoffs early in his career, but he also had some epic performances during that time, and was a master of comebacks. I guess you could say the same about Marino as far as disappearing. Favre, on the other hand, has a way of compounding his errors and in a lot of games did not give his team a chance to win. I think that for individuals in football ‘taking the game into your own hands’ is very over rated and misguided, and Favre has been proof of that many times.
but like I say, there are some valid points against all of these guys. It would have been VERY interesting if Montana hadn’t missed so many games between the 4th super bowl and his departure from SF. the 90-92 49ers won A LOT of games with and without him, but couldn’t close it out in the playoffs. Imagine if he had been 100%…. I also have a soft spot for Warren Moon, probably because he gave us a couple great years. If you go back and watch Warren Moon, there were times were he was the prettiest QB to watch. I think he may have thrown the best ball of any QB I have ever seen. And when he was on fire, he made throws that we haven’t seen many guys make. And I’m not talking about the Favre sneak-it-in-there because I’m crazy and have a rocket arm, I’m talking about pinpoint, perfect throws. But…Moon never won the big games. So nevermind.
I hope if we can take anything from my ramblings, it is that this is an impossible (and fun) debate and conversation. I’ll stick with Elway as the greatest, if I have to pick just one.
Antonio Freeman, Sterling Shape, Javon Walker, and Donald Driver were all just as good if not better then Sidney Rice was for you guys this year. He may not have ever had a dominant Rb but Levens and Bennett a more then capable duo, and Ahman Green was pretty good as well. And for many years Favre had what probably the best o-line in the league.
None of the teams he played on may be as talented as yours was in 2009 (aside from our 96’ team) but plenty were very good-good. Another thing that should be mentioned is that the Vikings have a really, really talented team. You’d be damned to find a team year in and year out who has the number of elite type players that they had in 2009. (Favre, AP, Hutch, Allen, K Williams, P Williams, and Winfield. And guys like Rice, Henderson, Greenway, and even Longwell aren’t far behind. Teams with that much talent on them just don’t happen all that often.
by packallday555 on Feb 24, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Favre only played 2 years
With sharpe if im correct. And Walker did nothing after he left GB as well as Antonio Freeman, so i would argue he made them better than they were.
Don't make me
do actual research stallone. I might get crabby. ;-P
Seriously; I love these type of discussions. I have been having this particular argument for years and it never get old. You can have 100 people make a list and come up with 105 opinions. (Some people change their minds or hold more than one opinion.)
Maybe, I guess it’ll be interesting to see how good Rice is after Favre leaves as well. Yeah, he didn’t play with Sharpe for long but why does that matter? Freeman left GB when he was 30 I believe and declining. I don’t think anybody expected him to do a whole lot. As for Javon Walker, he had a huge year for us and then blew out his knee the next. He was let go at the end of the year because he wanted a HUGE contract, and Denver gave him one. The next season he played with Denver he had 1, 100 yards and 8 TDs. Not great numbers but good nonetheless. Then he blew out his knee again. I think it’s fairly obvious why his career didn’t turn out to be what it should have been.
by packallday555 on Feb 24, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Also he wasn’t trying to say that throwing for 30+ TD and winning 3 MVPs was due to longevity, or at least that’s not how I interpreted it. He acknowledged in his post that Favre is a great Qb, and that is the reason for the accomplishments his made. He’s not saying he did these things simply because he was in the league a long time. Obviously that would be just silly.
What he is trying to say is the reason he broke nearly every passing record is because he has played in the league for so long, which holds some truth. Obviously he still had to be great throughout his career but playing 3-4 extra years then most of the other great Qb’s certainly helps. I don’t agree with him that Favre isn’t top 10 though.
by packallday555 on Feb 24, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
There ya go
1. Montana
2. Elway
3. Favre
4. Unitas
5. Staar
6. Marino
7. Manning
8. Brady
9. Young
10. Tarkenton
Let’s see yours.
by packallday555 on Feb 24, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Grouping maybe easier?
Since the pairs mentioned are somewhat close so interchangeable, my take (totally unscientific and based on joyt of watching them play over the years – exception being Kapp – only saw the end of his career) …
POSITION PLAYER
1-2 J Montana, B Favre
3-4 J Elway, S Young
5-6 R Staubach, J Unitas
7-8 P Manning, D Marino
9-10 F Tarkenton, J Kapp
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Feb 25, 2010 3:24 AM CST reply actions
Reality Check
I think if you want a logical answer, you have to set the criteria.
Do you mean – In their era?
Sheer numbers – always a good start.
Super Bowl wins – WAY overrated! I don’t see Bradshaw or Aikman on any lists.
Intangibles – This is where it gets murky.
Elway can freefall for all I care. His intangibles are the worst. That sissy refused to play for the team that drafted him (which I consider a basic cardinal sin), and he won both his Super Bowls when his team got busted for cheating the salary cap and got fined a couple high draft picks and a couple million dollars. A lot of teams thought it was way too soft, but the Bronco owner was BFF with the NFL commish at the time.
Dan Marino was the by far the most talented at being a pure passer. He just couldn’t get it done in the Super Bowl department.
The older QBs didn’t have the nowadays complex defenses to deal with. Put them playing nowadays and I can only see pain. If you want to put an asterisk there, go ahead.
Montana was a great QB, but he lived before the salary cap and San Fran was keeping up with Dallas back then. He also always played in good weather. Favre put up much greater stats in the crappiest weather in the NFL. Think about it.
My argument is this. Intangibles. Anyone can debate the best QBs of all time, but I would have to say that if you were to choose the best football player to ever play the position of quarterback, there is only one that will always win. And that is Brett Favre. Absolutely no argument.
by Welzy on Feb 25, 2010 1:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
DANG!
I forgot to mention Favre had to do it on the only publicly owned professional sports team in the smallest professional sports market with the worst weather in the NFL.
The weather is a good point, I didn’t really think about that.
by packallday555 on Feb 26, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
The Point of the Article was " who would you choose to start a team with"
not greatest of all time. If you look at it that way could you really keep Brady or Manning off the list? If they retired today will there records be broken in the next thirty years?
I would start a team with any of these guys and be a happy camper. No particular order.
Montana, Unitas, Tarkenton, Brady, Manning, Farve, Elway, Young, Marino, and Namath
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
Yeah the Title is a little deceiving. In the article he says this:
The greatest quarterback of all time is the one who could excel in all five eras. The criterion is: Which quarterback would you prefer to start a franchise with in any decade?
Looking at it that way his list isn’t as bad as I first thought. The problem is that one can’t really stop at ten QBs. I’m not sure where you draw the line but in my opinion there are more than 10 bunched together that I would start a Franchise with.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 26, 2010 6:29 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I think you’d also have to consider the team as well. I don’t think Kurt Warner would be as good in the winters of Green Bay, Chicago, or New York. Bart Starr probably wouldn’t be as good on a team that didn’t have a great running game. Would Joe Montana be as great if he didn’t have Jerry Rice and John Taylor and the Niners actually had a salary cap? Great QBs have a great environment that fits their strengths. This indeed is an impossible argument, but we do it anyways…
In that case, I take Manning or Elway
Both guys elevate the players around them
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R4F?
You finally lost it?
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
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