Why Brett Favre should Decide by April 20
by Elgar on Feb 8, 2010 4:08 PM CST
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PrintWe must all hang together or assuredly we shall all hang separately. –Ben Franklin, 1776
So what does signing the Decelaration of Independence have to do with football?
Unlike last spring, Brett Lorenzo Favre had not signed a contract to be a Minnesota Viking. Permit me to explain why he now owes the Vikings a decision by April 20, 2010, as to whether he intends to honor the rest of his existing contract.
On January 24, 2010, there was a public mugging in New Orleans. No one was arrested. Two Saints players were fined a total of $25,000 for three illicit hits on Brett Favre. One of them was not called by the NFL officials, allowing the Saints to take over possession of the football. As a result of his illicit beating, Favre was unable to run, and could not rush for a first down or even gain yards on foot on his final play of the season to set up a potential game-winning field goal for his team, but instead he threw an interception.
Some will say that football is a rough sport, and Favre should have expected no less. I remind them that boxing is a rough sport, but the rules do not allow you to punch your opponent in the groin. Anyone who wins a championship in that manner is a cheater, and that lessens my respect for them.
Favre was both dissed and backhandedly complimented by the Saints in this manner. They apparently decided that they lacked the skills to defeat Favre cleanly and fairly, so they resorted to breaking the rules of football to win. An NFL officiating crew, which should have been one of the two best in the league, since there where two conference championships being decided on that day, missed an illegal low hit on Favre which was clearly seen by millions on television. Favre was barely able to stagger off the field after that hit, which went unpunished during the game.
The Saints do not apologize for hitting Favre in this manner. To apologize would be disingenuous on their part, since they intended to knock Favre out of the game by doing so. The NFL officials did not correct their own mistake in not calling a foul that would have negated a turnover, thereby denying Favre protection from such illicit tactics by the Saints, which resulted in both injury to Favre and possibly changed the outcome of the game.
I can understand why Favre needs some time to decide if he wants to continue to be a Minnesota Viking. His wife Deanna certainly does not want to see her husband beaten further. Brett is the person who will have to live with the impact of any future injuries he might sustain by returning to the game.
Unlike last season, Brett knows he can still throw a football with the best in the league.
The Vikings will play the Saints again in 2010, and I am sure his 52 teammates and his coaches would have his back in righting an insult and injustice. Favre deserves another Super Bowl ring, not riding out into the sunset on an interception by a gang of cheap shot artists.
Some anonymous coach once noticed that there is no "I" in team. To be a team player, you must do what is right for the team. If you want them to have your back, you have to have theirs.
Favre can make millions more in endorsements if he comes back, but that’s part of his choice. What he owes the Vikings is a timely decision on whether he is in or out.
He should give them at least two days before the next NFL draft starts. so they will know whether they must go on without him. The Minnesota Vikings have not given up on the 2010 season. They are fighting for a stadium in which they can actually earn as much money as an average NFL team and determine whether they can survive in Minnesota.
To earn respect, you have to give others your own when it is due.
Tim Tebow or Colt McCoy or someone else might get a chance to be a Minnesota Viking, but whether that is best for the Vikings depends on Favre’s decision. If the Vikings will have enough quarterbacks for 2010, it should be known before the draft so that other issues could be addressed.
Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels deserve a shot at quarterbacking the Vikings. If Favre decides to hang it up, they may well get it. The Vikings deserve some advance notice to know what to focus upon.
This year, there is little doubt Brett Favre is qualified to lead the team again as quarterback. His arm works fine.
If you are part of a team (as was not the case for him last year), you owe the team a decision on whether you are in or out before decisions start to be made that will impact the outcome of 2010.
My two cents is to come back and make the Saints pay you the respect which you deserved, Brett. I’ve said my piece in advance to give some time for consideration of other things. You should too.
"Remember that time is money."
That old Ben Franklin simply said a lot of wise things. My decision here is to close now with this one:
Idleness and pride tax with a heavier hand than kings and parliaments; If we can get rid of the former we may easily bear the latter.
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TEBOW?
If the Vikes draft tebow, i will die. I live in Florida and ive been constantly reminded of this doucher for the past 4 years . Aside from the fact he cannot play QB, hes plain annoying.
smoke em' if you got em'
Brett will decide when Brett decides
Childress already said there is “No timeline” on Favre. Favre Watch 2010 has begun.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"All morons hate it when you call them a moron." -Holden Caufield
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 8, 2010 5:07 PM CST reply actions
Ask Conan O'Brien About That
What actually happens in the real world is determined by surveys of how many customers are buying in.
If the ratings slip, you’re toast. If the New York fans think Favre is a diva, that’s one thing, because Favre had decided he was not a Jet to his last dying day. If Minnesota fans decide Favre is a diva, it’s hit the road, Jack, and don’t you come back. Much of the cosmos is increasingly tired of Favre Watch. Let Rich Eisen do that in his basement or something.
I once met Conan’s mother Ruth years ago at O’Gara’s in St. Paul.
I say we either have Favre take the Viking oath or he swims with the fishes. You can only burn so many bridges before you are declared a fire hazard. We don’t need any triple agents on this ship. We’re sailing through heavy waters.
Well I never met Conan's mom
But Favre’s timeline for deciding is not dependent on Leno’s crappy ratings as a 9:00 lead-in either, or NBC’s whims.
No one took MN’s pulse to take Favre onboard the 1st time, I can’t imagine it’ll be much of a factor this time based on some set deadline. I can’t see the Viking “Ship” setting sail without a major effort to get him to stay one more year.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"All morons hate it when you call them a moron." -Holden Caufield
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 8, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Prediction
Favre does not announce anything. Vikings proceed without him assuming he is retired. Preseason goes with Sage and Tarvaris. Vikings get off bus at the stadium for opening day and there is Brett Favre in the locker room, putting his pads on.
haha....
that would be a little extreme. I agree with Torch also, just say NO to Tebow.
You forgot with the stereo cranked up
jammin to pants on the ground
I love Twins Baseball and Minnesota Vikings Football.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Feb 8, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Favre should decide before the draft but he won't.
He should definitely be there for the whole preseason though. The Vikes have a tougher schedule coming up, so they need to be ready by the 1st week of the season. They won’t have the luxury of warming up on the Browns and Lions like they did at the beginning of this last year.
Plus the North Division is getting tougher and tougher. Yes, even the Lions are getting better…lol.
I expect the Packers will give us a run for the division again, so Favre and the Vikes will need to get serious if they plan on making another run for the PO’s next year.
McKinnie will be suspended for the first four games. The Vikings cannot presume they will have easier opponents the first four games for Favre to play himself into game shape. In fact, as a result of getting to the conference playoff, their schedule overall is expected to be harder, as you indicate.
If Favre wants to enhance the tales of those who called him diva, that’s his choice, but the Vikings should not stand for it. You don’t win Super Bowls with part-time players. The original Vikings did not reach the New World with stowaways hiding from the oars, and it was not mere coindence the two top teams in each conference met in this past Super Bowl. Homefield advantage is worth winning, and that starts at camp.
If Favre wants to choose the retirement home, I have no problem with that, but you don’t choose your entree from one section of the menu and the price for the meal from somewhere else.
+1
For the Pro Bowl incident? Im confused
I love Twins Baseball and Minnesota Vikings Football.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Feb 8, 2010 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
I am unable to confirm that McKinnie is being suspended. Apparently his conduct before the Pro Bowl is still under review. I had heard a rumor that the NFL was really bent out of shape about his dissing their spectacular Pro Bowl, but there has been no actual announcement of a regular season suspension. Maybe my unnamed source was confused with their suspending him from the Pro Bowl or was just plain drunk.
I wouldn't count on seeing Favre in Mankato.
At least not for the whole Training Camp anyway. Personally I’m fine with that.
Favre don’t really need TC, but he should be here for the whole pre-season. Like you said, HFA is obviously important in the PO’s, so every game is important.
The Vikings Offense needs to play up to speed by the end of August if they plan on being successful in September.
Good luck with that
I agree with the premise that he needs to tell you guys before the draft what his plans are but the likelihood of that is minuscule at best. And even if he did make a decision in that timeframe, he’s Brett Favre so you have to allow him to change his mind if he so chooses. Until the preseason is well underway you just have to be comfortable having no idea who your starting QB will be. I mean, what if he decides that he is gonna retire on April 20th and you go ahead and make a trade for someone like McNabb or Pennington, etc? Then what happens when Favre gets the itch again in August (after training camp, of course)?
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
We throw him under the team bus on its way out of Mankato. Favre should understand this about Minnesota: Mankato was the site of the largest mass haning in U. S. history.
Minnesota Nice is not all one might expect.
If he’s will us, we’ll follow him into hell.
On the other hand, if Favre decides being a Viking is not worth his time, he’ll never work again in this town.
Dont let R4F see this!
I love Twins Baseball and Minnesota Vikings Football.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Feb 8, 2010 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
does not matter
does not matter when he comes back…just as long as he comes back…IF Vikings draft a QB, should have nothing to do if Favre comes back or not..New QB wld not play this year anyway…. The commercial during superbowl, Brett Favre MVP for year 2020 was great !! Even tho I really hated Favre in past, have grown to like him and his commercials. And last point, I cant see Favre going out with his last pass being an interception….draft day wont be here soon enuff…
I would like for Favre to decide NOW
Mainly to get into him into a training schedule ASAP. It’s going to be a tough season all the way to the Super Bowl.
But you could hardly blame the guy if he decides to wait and see if anyone is drafted to beef up the o-line.
the man is
or was a genius I am talking about Ben F. Big fan, he has pages of quotes like those who live in glass houses and so on. Its hard to believe how many phases we use today came from that guy.
Oh and on Farve….he shows in time for ths second PS game or not at all. Of course I could be wrong,
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Feb 8, 2010 9:54 PM CST reply actions
Ben F.
I ain’t sure if I like that Ben F. guy
My pa sez if his brains was pig fat, there wouldn’t be enough to coat a frying pan.
I guess
that all depends upon the size of yur frying pan then doesn’t it!
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Feb 8, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
My two cents
I don’t think Favre owes anybody anything. If he wants to take his time, fine. The Vikings should just plan as if he is coming back. If it turns out he retires, we go with either Jackson or Rosenfels as the starter, and add a third, developmental quarterback.
Take your time, Brett!
in my opinion
you may always put your two cents in, I must inform you that it is only worth about .025 cents now.
I feel there will be no problem with him coming back at anytime no problems will be had by anyone and he will be welcomed with open arms.
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Feb 8, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
A good point
I admit, Elgar, I hadn’t considered it that light. Your position has a lot of merit to it….
I wouldn’t push Favre on the matter, but perhaps, the choice he makes will speak volumes about whether he’s truly a team-guy, or whether or not it’s really all about himself.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Last time he was pushed, he retired. If you want him back, you don’t want him to choose right now.
I would still argue that ultimately he’s in it for himself. HE wants another title to add to his legacy. That is just my take from watching him over the past 5 or so years (I’ve watched him much longer, just talking about his retirement deliberation years)
You might be right
I too, want a title for the Vikings. I don’t much care, at this point, what organization changes/additions need to be made to make it happen. I just want them to make it happen.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
What player
in any sport isn’t in it for himself first? I pretty much doubt this is only about ‘adding to his legacy’ – though it naturally would if he pulled it off. There is no doubt that there’s no greater thrill than winning it all. Every player in the league wants that.
I’m curious why you think he’s only trying to create a greater image of himself at this point in his career, when it’s so easy to see how much the man LOVES playing the game? Could it be he’s just chasing the dream every last one of his peers chases? Crazy as that desire may be at his age! None of us know his heart, but I think you can see/understand his heart gametime more than anytime. Play on, Brett.
by jshep on Feb 10, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"There's no substitute for playing on Sundays."
Brett Favre’s quoted words!
No Doubt, Favre is back in 2010!
Sorry montana vikes fan
My pa was dang confused when he said that “pig fat” thing.(When he went back and read the original post again, he felt like an idiot.)
I think he wanted that quote to be aimed at “Chilly” for the twelve man huddle.
This is the kind of line that just ticks me off
Elgar wrote:
“The Vikings will play the Saints again in 2010, and I am sure his 52 teammates and his coaches would have his back in righting an insult and injustice. "
They’ll have his back? Why start now when they clearly didn’t have his back in the NFC title game. It was clear by the end of the first quarter (if not sooner) that the Saints were aiming to hurt Favre and I didn’t see one instance of an O-lineman getting mean. And the D-line didn’t twist that little punk Brees’ head off either.
Face it, we had every reason to believe that the Saints would play dirty and we didn’t react to it at all. We played nice and we got screwed – again.
We need to get an attitude and we need it fast.
+4 for Ragnar
Exactly—Ragnar gets it.
I’ve been mostly silent on the “cheap shots” subject, but I agree completely with Ragnar. If you want to be mad at someone about the hits on Favre, be mad at Minnesota’s offensive linemen who let them happen.
I wish Minnesota’s defense had made the exact same “cheap shots” on Brees that the Saints made on Favre. If Minnesota’s defense had beaten Brees to a bloody pulp en route to winning the game while incurring thousands in fines for late hits, there would not be a single Viking fan on earth saying “we made the Super Bowl, but I don’t feel good about it because we took cheap shots on Brees.”
I would also add that New Orleans’ “cheap shots” on Favre did not make Berrian and Harvin turn the ball over, did not call conservative running plays on first and second down of the final set of down in regulation, did not cause AD and Favre to bobble that handoff deep in Saints territory, and did not cause the Vikings to have twelve men in the huddle coming out of a timeout. The Saints’ “cheap shots” also did not make a bad decision to throw across Favre’s body to Berrian on the second killer Viking INT.
I suspect I will be repeating these sentiments many times in the months ahead.
by Midnight Rambler on Feb 10, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
+69 to the both of you
I could care less if McKinney sat out for 4 games or not. He was part of the problem in protecting Favre in this game. My frickin grandmother could have blocked better than him. The O-Line needs to step it up big time next year no matter who is at the helm.
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
With all due respect
Even though I think there is an unspoken deadline (just that Chilly and Brett are not stupid enough to tell the press there is, and launch Favrageddon II already in January), even if there wasn’t, I think Chilly would want it this way. If after breathlessly waiting we are left Brettless, Chilly is going with TJ & Sage, just like he planned to last year. But Favre leaving everyone hanging up in the air provides a convenient excuse for not doing anything other than what he planned to do all along. And Favre becomes the scapegoat, if he doesn’t come back, but leaves it up in air.
A truly win-win for Chilly. So don’t expect him to complain more than a token amount (it that) if nothing happens by draft. IMO (obviously)
I totally agree w/you
This current scenario works-out best for Childress. No-matter what, it’s not his fault. Chilly can just pass the blame onto someone else….and to tell you the truth, I wouldn’t be surprised if deep down inside, Chilly is hoping Favre retires, cuz then Chilly can move on with his pet QB’s Jackson and Rosenfels.
I’m also pretty sure that Chilly is still mad about Favre taking over the play-calling on Prime-time TV…especially since the Vikings had better success after doing so…lol.
Anyway, with all that said. I hope for the Vikings sake, that #4 comes back for another run.
Sorry Elgar
I don’t see the importance of a speedy Farve decision at all. Naturally it would be nice to know as soon as possible but it isn’t important to the future of the team.
Brett has only one more year on his contract and no one ,except R4F, really expects a man over 40 to play much longer. This means that from a planning aspect the Vikes front office is planning now for his eventual retirement.
From a planning point of view you expect no rookie QB to step in and lead you to a championship. Only 4 rookie QBs in history have led their team to even a conference championship game.
We have two proven QBs on the roster. Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels. You might not like them but both are experienced QBs and have a lot of talent.
If the coaching staff feels that neither is the QB of the future then they can draft or trade for whoever they feel that is. Expect that person to sit on the bench for one or two years and learn the game like almost every other successful QB in history. Even Tom Brady sat on the bench for one year before being inserted in the lineup due to injury to the starter.
Brett please take all the time you need. We can sure use you this year. If not. Thanks for the memories. It was a great season.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
I disagree.
It is very important for the team. Just like the coach of the SuperBowl winning Saints we need to be preparing for next season yesterday.
TJ is proven
Proven to suck. The man could throw trash into a trash can. Well that might be extreme but he’s not a quality QB, he’s a stop gap at best.
As for Favre Elgar is correct, he is part of this team now. As a team member he does owe it to the rest of the team to make a decision because doing so will be best for the team, either way. Now saying that I will also bring up that we have no one in the wings. NO ONE. Not Sage or TJ, so I truly think that the Vikes should no matter what act like Favre is not coming back. I don’t think Childress will continue to get lucky and have hall of fame QB’s just fall into his lap every season so his happy ass needs to get a QB. If Favre comes back and Childress picked up McNabb great! now we have a kicken second string QB and a QB that will be working for us for the next five years.
Basically, it doesn’t matter if he comes back or not, either way you have to think of this team as a contender that needs a QB.
I think thats what I said.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 9, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I agree, LLV
We shouldn’t change horses midstream.
No free agent or traded quarterback has ever started for a Super Bowl winning team in his first year with that new team.
In other words, if we trade for a Donovan McNabb, or sign a free agent quarterback like Chad Pennington, we would have to rewrite the history books and go against 44 years of established precedent. I’m not saying it would be impossible, but it would be long odds.
Quarterbacks get better when they become familiar with the team, and that takes time.
Our shot at winning Super Bowl XLV depends on a lot of things. Is Pat Williams coming back? Etc.. But just based on starting quarterbacks, our best shot is with Brett Favre and then Jackson/Rosenfels (pretty even in my book). After that, we are a longshot at best.
Our horses are good enough. Let’s keep riding them.
If TJ/Gus were
good enough to get us to the playoffs (where anything can happen) then I have to believe that TJ/Sage will be as well.
That was against a much different NFC North
If you think Green Bay is going to be as bad as it was that year you might want to rethink that. There is no way we’re going to have a better season this year than Green Bay with TJ at the helm. Which means we need to get in on a wild card spot and I don’t think that’s going to happen either.
It all depends what ted Thompson does (or, more accurately, doesn't do)
So … there still is hope :)
Rumor has it he’s keeping the Packers way under cap each year so they can bury nuts in the ground to survive a one year lockout.
Huh?
TT is burying his nuts in the ground? Hmmmmmm now THAT is voo-doo! The Saints ain’t got nothing on this guy! Sheeezsh
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Feb 9, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Way to funny
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 9, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
I thought Favre burried both of his nuts this year already
Once on October 5th and the other on November 1st.
Grime, my brother...
Is absolutely right. Not only will the Pack continue to improve (Rogers another season under his belt, 3-4 defense with a year under its belt) but the bears will probably be improved with Urlacher back. And Cutler, he cant lead the NFL in INTs again, can he?
Let’s not lose sight of the fact that it took a missed 48 yard FG by a NYG team that was playing all its 2nd and 3rd stringers, and a made 50 yard FG by Longwell as time expired in the regular season finale to win the NFC north in 2008.
The NFC north and NFC in general was much stronger in 09. We wouldnt have had much of a chance in 09 with Sagevaris. PERIOD
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Yeah,
the Pack will be better, but so will we with Favre or without.
Do you know something the rest of us don't?
Like are we getting Manning, Brees, Rivers, Rogers, or McNabb if Favre retires? Or are we drafting a QB that will take the league by storm as a rookie?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Brett Favre is not the end all
be all for the Vikes 2010 season whether you’d like to believe it or not.
No but TJack will be the end all
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Maybe
maybe not, but we also have Sage who is a decent QB as well.
This is a QB driven league now, I dont think "decent" will get the job done
I haven’t seen enough of Sage to make an objective analysis. However based on the fact that he’s been a career back-up I’m not overly optimistic. But I do feel better about Sage than TJack.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Just curious but how do you rectify the fact that you think
T-Jack is worse than Sage but T-jack beat out Sage all year in camp and practices. Is it your belief that the coaches are complete morons?
I realize thats possible but not probable.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 9, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Tarvaris is Chilly's baby.
Tarvaris will always have a leg up on anyone brought in “for competition” for that very reason.
Now, if someone is brought in, like McNabb or whatever, that’s a different story. For competition purposes, Tarvaris will always be the lead horse.
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
If Favre does retire
(which I hope he doesn’t) I’d like to see Sage and TJ battle it out for the starting spot. It should be a better competition now that Sage has had a full year in our offense.
What evidence do you have to support that TJack beat out Sage?
They each started a game in the preseason (In which Sage played better by the way). Then the Silver Fox arrived and it was pretty much a moot point who was 2nd or 3rd string after that.
I think the fact that TJack was second string all year only proves that the coaching staff wanted to take a final look at him heading into his RFA year. You might be able to argue that since TJack had been with the team 3 years longer than Sage that he was more familiar with the system, but other than that I see no objective evidence that TJack “beat out Sage all year.”
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Sage never came off the bench
during regular season. TJ did because he was 2nd string.
Youre missing my point
So you think that if Favre had to miss significant time that TJack would have been the full time starter in his absence?
With Iron Man Favre, you can suit up the dang lunch lady and call her your back up and still sleep well at night.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
That's why we need Favre to come back
I don’t think Jackson or Rosenfels could stay healthy for 16 games.
Favre was pretty reliable for the last 19yrs. I think we can count on him to play the whole season and more.
Rosenfels maybe? but he didn’t even play this year, and he was still on the IR every week.
Jackson, No-Way.. That’s the one thing that really bothers me about this kid, he doesn’t have heart.
I know the Vikings weren’t paying him much money to take all those hits, but showing heart, and getting back up to play will carry an athlete a long way with the fans.
I'm pretty
sure Sage did not play better in fact he threw an INT vs. the Cowboys I think?
That was Booty
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I was at the game
thanks to Noble Savage and thought I remembered Sage throwing one.
Okay I think this preseason nonsense distracted my point
We can use the preseason to spin our views a number of ways. The fact is they both had completion % in the low 60’s. TJack threw for about 70 more yards, but he also played in all 4 games and Sage did not. The game Sage didnt play was against KC and TJack had a solid performance, 12/15 202 and 2 TDs. But let me point out that Booty looked pretty good against a bad KC team too (6/8 for 71 yards), so its not unreasonable to think that Sage would have played well against KC too. Against INDY how ever Sage clearly outplayed TJack. As for the Dallas game, Sage played mostly with the backups so I dont think its fair to use that game by itself to rate Sage’s preseason performance.
I am going to logically assume (because I dont know exactly what was going on in the minds of Childress or Bevell) that the coaching staff pretty much knew what they had in Sage: A journeyman QB that had played well enough in Houston to be considered a worthy candidate for our starting QB. Remember they also wanted him prior to the 08 season but Houston uped the asking price for him. And while TJack had shown some promise (not to mention the fact that we traded to move up in the draft to select him), they wanted to get one last look at him in his last year under contract. It seems logical to me that is why TJack was #2 this year, to get one last look at him so they can make their decision on him going forward.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Ok, so let me get this straight.
You asked for “objective evidence” that T-Jack beat out Sage. But
1) fact that he earned 2nd string honors doesn’t count
2) Sage did not play in any regular seson games doesn’t count
3) The fact that Sage was paid 3 Million to earn the starting role and couldn’t win 2nd string doesn’t count
OK, you got me. Sage is better than T-Jack
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
"2nd string honors?"
Isn’t that an oxymoron?
I could continue using facts to justify why I am not confident in TJack’s ability to be a starting QB, but you guys just want to keep using the 21 passes he threw in mop up duty this year instead of his entire body of work up to that point in his career. I could keep pointing out that TJack has missed significant time in his 4 year career due to injury; Which most would consider injury prone, but you guys just want to talk about how we cut loose of other guys too soon and dont want to make the same mistake with TJack. In fact I have yet to hear one logical, lucid, concrete or objective arguement that supports your opinion of the guy. All I’ve heard is distractions and excuses. “He had family issues to deal with.” Or “he’s better than Sage.” Or “he was 2nd string last year.” I’m still not convinced.
Okay, I’m just going to play the Grime card:
LLV, medball, KC612, and nmvikesfan,
If you guys are correct about TJack, then he’ll lead us to the franchise’s first super bowl next year. In that case I will do all your guys laundry for an entire year. I’ll even let you guys kick me in the junk at my super bowl celebration party.
Side note: It doesn’t count if all TJack does is hand off to AP and watch as he rushes for 2000 yards on his way to league MVP or if the Defense only gives up 3 points a game.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Respectfully Accepted, I hate laundry.
But wait until February 26th. Thats when they make the tender offer on T-Jack. We will no the front office thinking process then.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
Wow that's right around the corner
I hope all this CBA stuff gets resolved and we can proceed as normal. Plus I really hope we give Ray Ray and extension.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I think you are undervaluing what Favre does to otherwise “good” WRs. Much of Sidney’s rise to fame was a result of having a “Favre-caliber” of QB out there.
Well, someone had to get the ball within 5' of the WR...
That it was Favre doesn’t take away from some of the amazing catches that Rice made because Favre wasn’t even remotely on-target. And when Favre was on-target, it was just that much better.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I think Rice has the potential to be really good but until I see him do it without Favre tossing him the rock I will still be a little skeptical only because I’ve seen so many WRs post really good seasons only to become no ones when Favre is gone. I had Rice on my fantasy team and he was huge for me this year, he made some amazing catches…just never know.
Fair enough
I think Rice will be good with anyone who can get him the ball, but you’re right. The problem is, hopefully it’ll be another season before we have to find the answer to that question.
We’re in between a rock and a hard place there. We need to try out T-Jack and find out if he’s ready, but that will take multiple games. We need to take advantage of the team’s readiness, NOW. We need Favre back because we’re pretty sure we can do this thing with him at the helm. We need to get a ‘quarterback of the future’ from the draft.
What to do, what to do? Rock and a hard place. The only thing that will probably work out is if Favre comes back and plays at a fairly high level again, we keep T-Jack and let him be an experiment the year after, AND we pick a good project QB from the draft that pans out. A lot of ‘ifs’ in that chain… if something fails along the way, we’ll be in serious trouble.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Another
what if…we keep T-Jack, but Favre decides he hadn’t had enough and comes back for yet another year after next. What to do with TJ/Sage then?
who cares
Give him a plastic bag and tell him to breath deep.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
LOL
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Something did happen...
TJack threw a pick-six in the playoffs against the #6 seeded team and we were one and done.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
and Brett Favre
threw an INT in a playoff game as did Peyton Manning, so what?
That pass
Favre threw was as bad or worse than the one TJ threw so what’s your point?
So you're comparing TJack to Manning and Favre now? Wow
Okay maybe I oversimplified my point by just referencing the pick-six. How about this:
15-35 167 yds 0TD 1INT.
TJack threw 20 incomplete balls in the playoff game against Philly. So it wasn’t just the pick six ball, it was his performance in general that lost that game. We ran the ball well (150 yards) we stopped their run (67 yards). We had less penalties. Do you realize that the pick six was their first TD of the game? Uncle Mo got on their side after that and it was all down hill from there. At least Manning and Favre had their teams on the verge and in a position to tie/win.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Manning had his team
on the verge after throwing a late game pick six? That was TJ’s first playoff game against a very good Philly D and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think he has improve since then.
C'mon. Really?
The Colts were down 7 with 3+mins to play. They were driving. They were inside the Saints 35. Manning had been having success in the air. I don’t think anyone doubted that they were on the verge of tying the game. After the pick six, game over. But at least they were in that position at the end of the game. TJacks pick six was in the 2nd quarter and the Vikings never got close again.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
So you're willing to give
seasoned veterans Favre and Manning a pass for the INT’s they threw, but not a QB starting his first playoff game against a very tough D?
I don't think I'm giving anyone a free pass for their mistakes
But I’ll take a QB who gives his team a fighting chance down to the wire over one that is a liability and gives his team no chance.
It sounds like youre the one giving TJack a pass because it was his first playoff game and against a tough D. Maybe if he played better and stayed healthy in 07 he would have had lead the team to the playoffs that year and had some playoff experience under his belt.
Look we can agree to disagree. I wish I had your optimism about TJack being our starting QB. I wish you had my realism when assessing our post-Favre QB corps. Of course if we did have each other’s view our heads might simotaneously explode!
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
KC your arguing a point
When the entire game is in discussion. I don’t think anyone is saying that TJ’s int was any worse than Brett’s however, his completion rate is lower, and hit TD’s per game is abysmally lower and isn’t TD’s really what your looking for? TJ is not a leader he lacks confidence and I don’t think he’s going to miraculously pick that up.
TJ is not as good as Favre, or Manning or any top tier QB. This is not a n argument it’s a fact. TJ isn’t as good as flaco, sanchez or that guy in Atlanta. TJ is at best a mediocre QB. I don’t care if he can throw the ball to the moon and run a 4 flat. He has proven in the past that he is not a good QB. He’s proven this on a good team with a GREAT running back. Personally I don’t think he is even as good as Trent Dilfer. Which is my way of saying he’ll never ever take us to the SB.
by Grime on Feb 9, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+100 Sing it!
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Done and Done
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
From Yahoo! Sports Inside Slant on the Vikings home page
“Favre turned out to be the missing piece to the Vikings puzzle. He threw 33 touchdowns and a career-low seven interceptions in leading the Vikings to a 12-4 record, a second consecutive NFC North title and a first-round playoff rout of the Dallas Cowboys.
Favre also made everyone around him better, especially wide receiver Sidney Rice. Rice had a breakout season in his third year in the NFL as he caught a team-leading 83 passes for 1,312 yards and eight touchdowns.
It was clear that Favre had great faith in Rice and the chemistry between the two meant Rice would see the ball at any point and no matter how well covered he appeared to be. He wasn’t the only one that benefitted from Favre’s arrival.
Wide receiver Percy Harvin, the NFL’s offensive rookie of the year, had 60 receptions for 790 yards and six touchdowns and Visanthe Shiancoe set a team record for a tight end by catching 11 touchdown passes.
The interesting thing in all of this was that when Favre arrived the expectation was he would be more of a game manager and running back Adrian Peterson would run wild because teams had to respect the Vikings’ pass game for the first time since Childress arrived in 2006.
Things went according to plan in the Vikings’ season-opening victory at Cleveland as Favre threw for 110 yards and Peterson ran for 180 and three touchdowns. But as the season progressed it became clear that this was turning more and more into Favre’s team."
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
But as the season progressed it became clear that this was turning more and more into Favre’s team."
Yeah, in the middle of the year it became pretty evident that your offense went as Favre went.
by packallday555 on Feb 10, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
We sure could use some more of your logic around here...
Are you sure that you don’t want to be a Viking fan?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
That was TJ’s first playoff game against a very good Philly D and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think he has improve since then.
But it indeed IS unreasonable to think he has improved since then. Sure, sitting behind Favre probably helped him but seeing Favre do the things he did and Jackson actually getting out there himself doing those same things are two totally different beasts.
Many of you guys argue that Jackson is still growing as a Qb, and if this is the case then his growth has been stunted. Do you realize how much pressure Jackson will likely have on him if Favre does retire and he is your starter in 2010?
The reason you guys were able to win 10 games in 2008 was because your defense was really good, and your running game was pretty much unstoppable. This year though, we saw your running game struggle, and saw teams actually shut down AP which has had maybe happened once or twice prior to this season. We also saw guys like McKinnie and Hutch struggle to a degree, as well as Herrea. Unless McKinnie and Hutch both revert back to their top form or close to it, I would bet we’ll see Jackson struggle in 2010 (if he is your starter).
by packallday555 on Feb 9, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
TJ has improved every year
he’s been in the league and I see no reason not to believe he will be a better QB in 2010.
As a starter, the important stats say otherwise
The games he started in 06 and 07 his winning percentage was above .500. The games he started in 08 he was 2-4 as a starter. In the two games he won in 08 we were playing against 2 teams that had nothing to play for. Both AZ and NYG had secured their playoff spots, in fact NYG played their backups the whole 2nd half and we still had to rally. In the AZ game where he had career highs, they had 8 men in the box the whole game and we rushed for over 260 yards, so he was basically throwing against 3 men in coverage.
Sure he looked okay this year 14-21 for 180 yards and a TD. But I would be hard pressed to use those garbage time stats to build an argument for improvement.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I know he's not on
the same level as a Favre, Manning or any top 10 QB yet, but I also think it’d be a mistake to let him go at this point. We’ve invested a lot in him and I think he’s shown enough to deserve one last chance to be the Vikes QB.
Thats your opinion, as well as medball and nmvikesfan, and I respect it
The thing is that teams are going to load the box to stop AP and TJack or whoever is our QB is going to have to win some games for us next year. I just don’t think we can afford to roll the dice on this guy because the team is built to win now.
I was all about giving TJack a chance a few years ago when our only alternatives were Holcomb, Bollinger, Johnson, or Gus. Now that I’ve seen that a top tier QB can make all the difference… well I just think that it would be a mistake to hand the keys back over to a guy who’s proven nothing more than to be a raw QB prospect who’s maybe a servicable backup at best.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Everyone is agreed that we need a QB of the future. Everyone.
The only question is who. Farve is to old for more than 1or (do I dare say) two years.
Sage is 31. This will be his 8th year. A few more years left.
T-Jack. 4 years to learn. Either he is or isn’t
Rookie- 2 years to learn on the bench
Another old guy- McNabb,Pennington, Hasselbeck?- How many years for these guys to learn our system and players and then perform?
I just don’t get the argument. The coaches and front office know each players skills and weaknesses. They will make a better informed decision than any of us have. But we have tons of options. Just keep building the defense and win with less offense if we have to. Just win.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
I agree we just need to win
I think I’m frustrated because other than a 41 year old QB our options just don’t look that good. And after this year when we got so dang close I want our options to be great once again.
Ok check this, lets say your wife is a terrible cook but she makes you dinner every damn night. then one night she goes out and picks dinner up from the nicest resteraunt in town. Your amazed and floored at how good it is, then she goes back to cooking again and you want to punch yourself in the eye. That is sort of how I feel right now.
I apologize if I let my frustration at this come across in my posts I don’t mean to but I have very strong feelings on this matter. I don’t think our defense is staunch enough to win us games on their own. Peterson started slowing down, and suddenly we have a band of good receivers. So I just don’t see us pulling a Ravens or a Tampa Bay and getting there on a strong running offense and a brick wall of a defense. Last year I was upset with Childress for out QB quandry and I feel much the same way now but this time I’ve tasted it, and so it sucks that much more that I see it drifting away from me for want of a CRUCIAL piece. Sometimes you just have to nut up and go for something.
Bah this turned into another rant. Honestly if we were doing worse I would be cool with letting TJ cut his teeth for one more year (this would be the last I gave him though) Hopefully he’s learned and can be more confident. All I can say is I hope lifelong and Medicineball are correct. It would be great if TJ was the man.
I'm replying with the next post9 more room)
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
The dinner thing is a perfect analogy
Thats exactly how I feel. Better yet, Imagine that your wife made only microwaveable dinners. You were happy because she had them waiting for you when you got home, it filled your belly, and you thought that maybe she just couldnt cook. But you loved her anyway because its the thought that counts.
Then one day she surprises you with a made-from -scratch, 4 course dinner that blows you away. Youre so amazed that she had this hidden talent all along. You even go out and start buying bigger clothes because you know that youre going to gain weight eating all those great dinners. Then she goes back to the microvable stuff when you know that she’s capable of so much more!
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I severly doubt that
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
C'mon boys & girls.....
it’s only early feb. for christs sake. I agree with Elgar on this one, 420 should be enough time for a decision. Now on the other hand, I don’t believe he will decide by then. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the swelling in his ankle hasn’t completly went down yet, so to expect a decision before 420 is just dreaming.
420 deadline don't matter for two reasons:
1. Even if Favre returns for 2010, I don’t see him around much longer beyond that. So a pre-draft deadline shouldnt change our draft board at all. We still need a QB of the future, and if he’s in this year’s draft we need to get him whether # 4 returns or not.
2. TJack and Sage are not the answer and we dont have to wait until 420 to figure that out.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
does anyone else laugh at the 4/20 deadline? & No I do not smoke pot lol.
I hope Brett comes back, seeing the Saints win just made me think it would have definitely been this team’s year since they handled the Saints and made a few dumb mistakes.
Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury
RIP Buddy <3 Love you
I'm laughing. We recruited a QB that hasn't made a decision by April 20th the last three years.
Yet Elgar wants him to change. Green Bay asked him in 2007 and he didn’t know. They asked him in 2008 and he didn’t know. We asked him in 2009 and he didn’t know. But now he is a Viking therefore he should know. I’m at a loss for the logic.
He doesn’t know
He won’t know
If he says yes later thats OK.
To me thats logical.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 9, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
well, 1st 4/20 is a notorious marijuana “holiday”.
& Favre “retired” the 1st week of March in 2008. 2007 he announced he was returning Super Bowl weekend. So Im not sure where youre getting your facts from.
Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury
RIP Buddy <3 Love you
sorry I didnt finish that 1 comment, yes youre right he has retired in february/march then returned in july/august the last 2 years ( I didnt get that in the previous comment and woulve looked like an idiot lol). So its the last 2 years that its been drawn out into April.
But I kinda hope he comes back, if not then he had a great year to end a great career.
Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury
RIP Buddy <3 Love you
Makes you think..
If he had always retired sooo soon in previous year.. It’s probably a good sign he hasn’t came out right away and said he was putting his pads away for good.
Must be contemplating this one pretty hard…
well...
i hate to be mr Negative but in each of those 2 examples the Packers’ season had already been over for 1 month. Its been just 2 weeks since the NF CC game so we’ll continue to wait
Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury
RIP Buddy <3 Love you
Exactly. Be a do be not a don't be. If you have never heard of Rumpus Room you won't get that remark.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
you just ruined my day
Only kidding.. But I get your point.
As he heals up, I believe he is probably considering his options a little more seriously. But he could be waiting to see how the draft goes and who comes and goes via free-agency.
Yeah, I don't care if he decides at the last moment. It was a great season.
If he comes back Great. If not we have to get a QB ready anyway.
Keep up those positive thoughts.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
I think he will let Chilly know as soon as he can honestly say one way or the other...
There is no reason to hold up on his decision (would assume – a dangerous word I know – he will know health-wise whether the ankle is going to be ok), and by then also his wife will have let him know if he can play or not too.
NOTE: Hope that we raise enough money for her foundation for her to take notice as well as seeing that billboard in his hometown lets her/him know we really are serious about wanting him back!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Feb 9, 2010 10:22 AM CST reply actions
I can’t be bothered to read all the couple dozen poxsts made here in the previous few hours, sorry. I read the first few, skimmed the rest, and just have one thign to say:
This unending cycle of comparing one quarterback to another by comparing one single hand-selected play or one, to one singel hand-selected play of the other, and then extrapolating from those to plays to some conclusion about how much better (or not better) one is than the other, is … tiresome.
Grime
Relax,
I give Chilly credit for giving T-Jack a try. He drafted a QB with the last pick of the 2nd round. He saw last year T-Jack wasn’t ready. He knew what we needed last year and went out and solved the problem. There are many ways to resolve the QB puzzle. Lets just relax and see how the front office approaches it. We are not as bad off as ST.Louis. We are not as bad off as Seattle. We are not as bad off as the Raiders. I’m sure I don’t have to go on.
Yes, we need a winning QB. Yes , they can be expensive. Yes, sometimes young men grow up. Yes, we can solve this puzzle.
We can be Vikings once more. Yes we can.
Skol
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
where is cry Havoc when you need a picture.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
Was that this year?
I was bout to say, with the game being close like it was, I couldn’t imagine T. Jack coming in.
It could have been last years preseason game. (before R.Lewis rolled TJ’s knee)
I don’t remember what games TJ played in this year, but I don’t think he played in the Raven game.
TJ is definitely built for the Play-Action
It’s fun watching him roll-out like that. TJ can run and cut like a HB, and he’s got a cannon for an arm.
I just wish he could read defenses better, and he’s got to learn to slide instead of taking defenders head-on. :)
Ray Lewis' dirty playin'
self gave TJ’s leg an extra twist at the end of that play.
They probably just figured
hey it’s Tarvaris Jackson. If it had been Brady, Manning or Favre even you’d better believe Lewis would’ve been fined.
That's what I think too.
The NFL was probably thinking, “TJ only makes $600k per year, and most of the Vikings fans don’t like him anyway, so we’ll just let it go”..lol
Same with that Hi/Low that the Saints put on Favre. IDK how the official who stands behind the QB could have missed that Dirty Hit.
The Official was probably thinking, “It’s Favre, he can take hit, so it’s okay”
At least they
fined the guy for the high-low I think not that that makes up for missing it. I would’ve rather they called the penalty negating the INT than fining the guy after the fact, but that’s how it goes I guess.
is this the play he gets injured?
Probably. Once you start rooting for the guy, he does something stupid and idotic and self implodes.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
High-low
hit was the play Favre gets injured and yes he did come back in and made a terrible throw across his body that was intercepted ending our chance to play in the big game.
I was referring to the TJack pic
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Ya I know you were just hackin on me.
Reminds me of the dinner table scene on Young Guns:
Charlie Bowdry and Dirty Steve apologize to Billy at Tunstall’s request because they were “hacking on him.”
Then Dick changes the subject.
Dick: "Rumor has it you killed a man Billy. You don’t seem like the killin’ sort.
Dirty Steve: "Ya, whatcha kill him fo?
Billy: “He was hackin on me.”
Dirty Steve: gulps
One of my top 10 5 movies of all time.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I coulda killed ya, Dick,
I coulda killed ya, but I don’t wanna kill ya, I wanna eat.
I love it! See I knew you weren't totally crazy! LOL
“I ain’t a pistoleer or knifesman like that greaser Chavez-Chavez over there…I’m a pugalist. But I don’t expect you to understand the explaination of that word, HOG BOY!”
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Already home with a beverage. All day at the computer. Every day.
Did you catch my new post on the lockout? would like to hear your opinion .
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
Actually I missed it
Is it a new thread or is it somewhere in this mess? I work at a computer as well which means way to much time spent at DN.
It's actually amazing
To read this post and to think of what most of us were saying last year when he was thinking about coming on board. I don’t think anyone of us could have seen how much of a swing in reaction from the Vikings fan base.
It’s just truly amazing how he has changed our minds about him, now I’m beginning to understand why the Packers feel so many mixed emotions about him.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Yeah
After he plays another 16 years here, you might find yourself becoming a Lions fan after he signs with then in 2026. The man is capable of doing torturous things to your sense of loyalty, something you once never imagined could be in question.
well...
It’s good to see all of the posts.
I was quite tired of the ‘fisting’ and ‘complaining’ around here.
Favre comes back and his decision (even if he decides to hang em up for good) will have little impact on our draft.
I don’t think we draft a QB this year and I will be very surprised if we do.
I think Brett enjoyed this season with the team, proved he still has something to ‘give’ even without a full off-season of preparation. He’ll be there for Training Camp, and maybe even the OTAs.
If I’m Wilf… and I want to spend some cash… I’m telling Speilman to find me some OLine monsters – FA Beasts.
Make a wall for our QB to stand behind and a line that can be a demolition team blowing holes open for our RBs.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Feb 11, 2010 11:33 AM CST reply actions
Final Four Teams.....
cannot sign a free agent until/unless they lose one of their own. I don’t think we will be doing much in free agency. However, we can trade with anybody.
This
would be a help in getting Brett to take a closer look at returning.
If I’m Wilf… and I want to spend some cash…I’m telling Speilman to find me some OLine monsters – FA Beasts. Make a wall for our QB to stand behind and a line that can be a demolition team blowing holes open for our RBs.
Show him you got his back by paying for the protection. As well providing the daylight that AP would exploit into his best season yet. Great comment AVF.
It’s funny to see how much he has grown on the fans. But you viking fans appreciate a good qb and don’t act like the spoiled gb fans.
by angryguy77 on Feb 13, 2010 9:46 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
that's because it's been so damn long
When your last great QB was Culpepper you to would be thankful. LIke someone who gets beat every day is thankful that one day when all they get is a poke in the eye.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
The sad thing is how nasty some GB fans have been. I think they need to realize this is just football. I’ve read some posts that would make you think Favre moved into their house while they were working and stole their wife to boot.
I don’t think John Walker was viewed less a traitor than Favre by some of these clowns. You would think 16 years, a sb and being a key in resurrecting a franchise would mean something.
I don’t mind if they balm him, thats their right. But what really annoys me is the fact they won’t blame management for anything during the whole saga. Fools and I’m ashamed of that fan base.
wrong
brett and the triangle need to keep that in house. mcnabb needs to sneak into the war room and help build his powerhouse starting in 2011. his 3 year with a 4th option will end at the same time as brad’s…..
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