2011- The year of the NFL Lockout- No Football or Scab Football
The NFL collective bargaining agreement is up after the 2011 Superbowl. Collective Bargaining. America's favorite new past time during 2010. Will they or won't they? Should they or Shouldn't they? For those that don't remember NFL football is a business. It's not about fans and 'love of the game". It is about money. Lots and lots of money. Technically it is part of the entertainment industry. You as a consumer decide whether to spend your free time and hobby/activity money on movies,video games, sports, concerts, well you get the idea.
Well, the owners want to take your money and not give you the entertainment you deserve. Following I explain this irrational phenomenon.
You as a nation of fans have made the football industry powerfully wealthy. Investments in purchasing and owning a NFL football franchise have grown 500% in the last 15 years. Total Revenue for the league is estimated at 8 Billion dollars per year. The TV contract alone is worth 5 Billion dollars per year to the league. That equates to $156 Million per year for each team. That's $156 Million without ticket sales, jersey sales, hot dog and beer sales, football camp revenues, sky boxes, ect. Considering that player salaries were capped at $128 Million last year that's a pretty good investment. Think of it. If you could just close down your stadium ( not have any expenses) and put games on TV and you would make 27 Million dollars free and clear. That is a 3% Return on Investment of a 1 Billion dollar football team. Only 25 Sport Franchises in the World are worth 1 Billion Dollars. 19 of them are NFL franchises. The least expensive is the lowly Oakland Raiders at $800 Million dollars.
Currently the Labor contract calls for the players to get 60% of most team revenues and the owners get 40% of the revenue. 60% of the league revenue equals $129 million. This was the deal that the owners struck with the players the last time the big TV contract came up and was finalized. This means the owners get $86 million per club as their share. Not a measly $27 million they can make just on TV. Of course they have other expenses to consider but nevertheless they are not doing to bad. But Greed is the mantra of the decade. Bankers, Hedge Fund operators, Wall Street tycoons and now NFL owners.
The owners want to cut the players portion of the revenues 18% (an adittional $23 million dollars). The players feel that since they risk their bodies and careers on every play that cutting their take isn't really fair. After all they play hard to win. They sacrifice to win. Their attitude is what keeps bringing in the fans and creating all that excitement that people watch on TV. Why should their pay be cut when everything is working so well. No one is suggesting that Tom Hanks take a pay cut for his next movie role. Especially when the movie studio is making more money than ever before. The answer in this case is Greed.
What if, I ,as an owner , didn't have a labor agreement. Lets say it expires. The members of the Players union won't play. If they don't then I can go out and hire anyone to play for me. This has been done before. Not that long ago. A Football lockout, by the owners, of members of footballs labor union. Why would a sane business man do this? BECAUSE, the TV contract is not cancelled and each team gets $155 Million dollars.
Honestly. If there is a lockout the TV contract does not expire if the NFL can field 32 football teams.
The salaries will be a pittance ( probably $11 million per team) of today's salaries and the owners will pocket $110 Million each. Of course you will be watching undrafted and untalented ( for the most part) football players. Your team and every team will be Terrible. Is it a coincidence that the United Football league was created this year with the blessing of the NFL?. A pool of talent that would be cheap and available at the end of next season. Maybe. Maybe not.
But the Owners don't worry about TV ratings or fan support because ,in the past, the Fan has never lost hope. The fan has never left Football. They always support their team. Even though the owners are putting a terrible entertainment package on the field their customer does not go away.
Over time the owners will have this money and then they will try to outbid each other for better players and the cycle will repeat itself. Rich teams will outbid poorer teams. No parity will exist. The owners will realize that if they have an agreement with the players it will stop the rich teams from dominating and poor teams from going out of business. It will keep the fans totally in tune and the league will have competitive parity. Everyone will win including the owners, players, and the fans.
But for now the owners are convinced that they got taken to the woodshed the last time a contract was negotiated. They are in no mood to negotiate. Offer anyone an 18% pay cut and they will probably think your not negotiating fairly. I am not advocating entirely for the players. I am sure both sides have legitimate issues. Legitimate issues can be resolved. Greed can not. Unless you hit the greedy person in the pocketbook.
There is a solution to this problem. The answer lies with the consumer. The owners need to know that if a new agreement is not entered into by august 1, 2010 (prior to the next season starting) then the consumer will boycott football. No watching the NFL on TV. No purchases of Jerseys. No purchasing of season tickets. No expenditure of any kind until an agreement is worked out. Until football is secured for our future.
I realize that season ticket holders have to make a decision now and some have seat rights they need to protect. But a majority can send a message Now. Not later. Perhaps something as simple as a fan pledge. Millions pledging to turn off the TV or boycott ad sponsers of the NFL.
Maybe nothing can stop the madness. But I believe that the owners are business people first. If the fans make their own deadline then the owners will listen. Without independent fan action the owners will refuse to believe that they are not in control.
Just curious as to what the rest of the fans think.
Please post any interesting articles you may have on this subject
Articles to read about the upcoming lockout
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http://socialistworker.org/2010/01/26/nfl-owners-strong-arm-tactics
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good post
it’s not exactly what you asked for but i just ran across this
http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_14355232?nclick_check=1
A bird in the hand is worth about 10.99 at KFC and makes me lick my chops
Yummy!!!!!
by kdog69 on Feb 9, 2010 11:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is this your original work, or copied and pasted...
If original, very nicely done. Good read.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Feb 9, 2010 1:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WTH
Why would you care? It is a good post. He can copy and paste it all over SB Nation for all I care.
Some of you guys coming in -quit your nit picking, grammer police and putting others down. I am quite sick of it.
Our policy had ben to be friends and accept others opinions like you would like to be heard. Not with some off the cuff dumb A comment.
As a matter of fact, I have copy and pasted quotes as a point counter point.
Lighten up!
by CitrusFLViking on Feb 21, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's LLV
That is his writing style and approach. It’s better written and more informative than a lot of work by professional sportswriters.
by medicineball on Feb 22, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As well he credits places he pulls from
When he does. LLV and MB might have terrible ideas about our QB but they are pretty smart fish.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
by Grime on Feb 22, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post.....
I will admit that a lot of this talk is foreign to me, but as the days go by and the more I hear about it, the more I understand. What I do know is, if there is no football for 2011, we the fans are gonna be the ones that suffers from it. I’m not sure if I’m mentally prepared for a winter without Vikings football, haha.
by PurpleCrush on Feb 9, 2010 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Believe it or not we all got through the last lockout but it was just as stupid.
They lock out the good players. Then they make up these pretend football teams. Then they bring back the original players with the same contract they could have agreed to in the first place.
The fans do suffer. That is why I am proposing a proactive action by the fans direct to the owners to make them do something before the 2010 season starts.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 9, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good in theory
but the FANS wont do it…. just like in gas crunch, when prices were waay too high.. would see on internet for everyone to gas up once or twice a week, go a certain day as a whole and not go rest of week to send a message to gas companys…but it never happened….. People (as whole, but not all) are more worried what effects their world and not the world as a whole….But I do like your idea….
by WVVikings on Feb 9, 2010 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You are right. Most people have enough to worry about with their own lives.
But you know. When gas prices were high demand for gas did drop off a cliff. As fans united against a lockout we could influence both sides to the bargaining table.
Lets say as an owner you are sent 100,000 e-mails that say we will boycott Bud Light Beer and not buy a jersey this year. There are other beers for us to drink. Think Bud Light would be happy?
How do you think Doritos would react to a boycott. They didn’t do anything. But they might call the Commish and say. We are not happy.
These are not big things to change for fans. We really can go another year without a jersey.
I’m just trying to gauge if there is any interest. As Vikings we are a small part of Football America. But many small steps complete a long journey ( or something Chinese like that).
I think the fans will do it. But hey, I’ve been wrong more than once before.
Skol
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 9, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you were going to send an e-mail... Do some research
It would be one thing to say, well I am not going to drink bud light anymore.
You would maybe want to follow up on supporting a beer beverage that does not sponsor the NFL. I can’t think of any off the top of my head but one thing to remember is some beers are owned by a bigger company and own more than 1 flavor.
But here is a good example that I think of.. If Doritto’s were to not get their product purchased anymore, and instead you went to their rival business (Let’s say its Lay’s) and continue to purchase their product.. Doritto’s may think, great – not only are we LOSING business, but they are going to our rivalries.
Two companies that I recall seeing several commercials for during the Superbowl would be Bud-Light & Dorittos. They spent a lot of money on making these commercials and paying for the time slots. They had several commercials that played. (Interesting fact, one of the Doritto’s commercials had the help from Minnesota on being designed — the one that takes place in a gym).
Now a few people at the top of the company may think, well here is one mad customer and probably every company has one. Well, we as a people, can easily grow in numbers thanks to the internet and social networking groups.
Starting a group of Boycotting NFL in 2011 & their sponsors if lock-out occurs.
The group could easily consist of facts of what products to avoid.
Have it grow… And people would understand..
Maybe, since the topic starter (lifelongvike) is great at posting up an article, he could be the start of such a group. He has all the facts at hand and could create a great article.
Something to think about – I would join the group… Helps fans be heard.
just a thought
by Deek on Feb 10, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dorito's brand is owned by frito-lay
of lay’s fame.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Feb 10, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya.. I wasn't sure...
Dang.. I can’t think of any other competition chips…
Dang.. I can’t think of any other competition chips…My have to boycott chips all together HAHA
Dang.. I can’t think of any other competition chips…My have to boycott chips all together HAHA
by Deek on Feb 11, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Utz
Jay’s
Krunchers
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Feb 11, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really didn't type it out like that
But weird enough – when I posted it after scrolling it doubled the last line.
Weird how it actually posted that way…
by Deek on Feb 12, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was wierd.
Here are some other chips
1) Potato
2) Gambling, and
3) Paint
I have no idea why I thought this was funny.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 12, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More
cow & buffalo
I dont know why thats funny either!
A bird in the hand is worth about 10.99 at KFC and makes me lick my chops
Yummy!!!!!
by kdog69 on Feb 13, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember
When the chips are down……..The cow is empty!
A bird in the hand is worth about 10.99 at KFC and makes me lick my chops
Yummy!!!!!
by kdog69 on Feb 13, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that is funny
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 15, 2010 7:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Something else..
Didn’t it seem that our economy tanked too, right after the high gas prices? We hit a hard recession shortly after expensive gas. Businesses were increasing prices of their products to make up for lost revenue in transportation costs. A bottle of pop was going from $1.09, to $1.19 to $1.39 to $1.49… I watched them increase as gas got more expensive. (And gas sort of sky rocketed, so it was easier to see the increase).
People were taking extreme measures to avoid being hit by the gas-price increase.
Moving closer to work, walking, riding a bike, ride-sharing, filling up at night, making several stops out of a trip versus one, buying cars with better gas mileage, and the list goes on.
As the economy is on a rebound, and gas is still sitting at around 2.50 or so (Winter months are the norm for prices to be low as demand is at its lowest). Come summer time, I would not be surprised to see near $3/gallon again.
That being said, I woudln’t be surprised, if a correct solution isn’t resolved, more than just the fans will be hurt. In the end, sponsors, companies who advertise during commercials, and even owners may take a very serious hit to their pocketbook.
The only way that would likely happen, is if the fans unite and take a stand. I wouldn’t be surprise if many fans out there are unaware of this issue, or even how serious it could be.
by Deek on Feb 10, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deeek, thats the spirit
Deek you hit the nail on the head.
An organized movement of fans throughout the country joining together with their actions. I’m not savvy enough to create a website or network it with all the social sites but will work at it, if enough fans would support this type of action.
You of course are correct in your review of the economy and gas prices. One wouldn’t think the NFL owners would mess up a good thing during a recession. But they just had the largest viewership Ever for a SuperBowl. Heck, it was the highest rated show in Television history. So they have all the fans backing them now. Now they can get greedy.
With a lot of consumers we can make a difference. But it takes a lot for a fan to get involved in something other than supporting their team on the field
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 10, 2010 9:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Simply done if you have a facebook account
Start a Group with Facebook.
For the Group-Page – Basically put in your own words again what it is. (Description) — Follow it with links of pages you got your information (Sources) Come back here and post the link of the group for all of us to add. —
Once this is done, it could spread like wildfire, or slowly grow. Either way, the word is out and can get out more easily.
Any real NFL fan may find it interesting if they see 2011 lock-out and read all about it. Any negative PR for any company is never good. One person who’s point of view of a company negatively is far worse than 1 persons view of a company positively.
Mostly due to the fact, that a bad experience will be shared with friends and family while a good experience is just expected.
Once you post it, you can start a FanPost and we can all give opinions on what you could change, add, or edit to improve it.
Thanks to Facebook, having a news feed I see people joining different types of groups all the time. Sometimes, I add them too when I see them in the news feed. When people have anywhere from 100-600 friends, a lot of people may see the name of this group.
Within a few days, we would have several people joining that may not even be a member of DailyNorseman. —
by Deek on Feb 10, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Thanks for the tip. I will look into it.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 10, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well this is lengthy and I got lost half way... but it's a start.
First let’s look at the problem objectively. Not that you didn’t life long. But the players are to blame as well. They get rediculously high salaries. You say they risk life and limb? But they still make way more than a crab fisherman which is the most dangerous job in the US. Their salaries are outstanding, and should be reigned in.
Now as for the owners, some teams are very profitable other teams are not so much. Look at Jacksonville, how much do we protect smaller markets? This is a much more difficult situation than just owner greed looking to raise it’s ugly head.
Now some teams operating income is pretty dang high (69 millions Washington Redskins) and they are hitting 2445 million dollars in revenue, however,that drops quickly and most teams operate around the 20 million mark. The problem that the owners are talking about actually rears up in the last 6 teams (yes the Saints, Vikings and Cards are all in this category) The Saints Operating income is 7.6, the Vikes 4.1 and the Cards are actually losing money at -4.1 million a year. Now you start lookng at debt to value percentages and it paints an even grimmer picture for some of the poorer franchises. Our debt to value % is 21% Atlanta’s is a whooping 45% and the patriots is 54%, this does include stadium debt.
Operating income is based on earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. So not all teams are sitting pretty. The problem is any fix has to be applied to the NFL as a whole. This means it has to affect the rich and the poor. You can’t just say, ok players, you are only allowed to earn 60% of the teams money that your actually on because then you run into the probem of no one wanting to play for poor teams. Instead you do something with profit sharing to allow everyone to maintain. However communism doesn’t work people drop to the lowest common denominator all to often. Anyway, the point I’m trying to make is this is fairly complicated and I really do beleive that the players should take a cut in salary. Oh and I really believe that the owners should cut ticket prices…
my numbers came from the Forbes web site.
by Grime on Feb 10, 2010 11:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Both sides have issues.
I am not advocating entirely for the players. I am sure both sides have legitimate issues. Legitimate issues can be resolved.
As I said in my article. Legitimate issues can be resolved. The owners have been sharing revenue between themselves for 50 years. This group of new owners is fighting over that issue. It is not a player issue. The 60% revenue sharing with the players is the same as the NBA and baseball. Sports businesses as a whole seem to agree that this is the proper labor % they need to run as a league. It promotes parity and growth among the franchises. Everybody wins.
As much as I respect your opinion I just don’t get an unfounded statement like
But the players are to blame as well. They get ridiculously high salaries.
These salaries are not high in comparison to the non- cancellable contracts used in other sports leagues when the work life of the athlete is analyzed. If a player really wants more than he is worth no owner has to sign him. Albert Haynesworth didn’t force any team to pay him.
I’m not trying to defend the players. I’m not saying that Tom Hanks isn’t overpaid. I only know that when the value of the Vikings goes up from $650 million to $850 million since the time Ziggy has owned it that the owners are not doing to badly. This for one one of the poorest teams in the NFL. And that is during the time he increased his wage expense. The owners certainly have no reason to not try and work out legitimate issues. Calling for an 18% pay cut at the time revenues are up doesn’t seem genuine to me.
I only want the consumer to force the parties to an agreement. What the parties decide is not my business. I simply do not want the owners to feed me a year of UFL football and another decade of labor unrest simply so they can hog $100 million apiece out of a TV contract.
I do respect your opinion. Your numbers are valid. As in all labor battles both sides have good points and bad points. I just want them to get this decided before next season starts.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 10, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh hell yeah get this resolved
I dont’ think it’s an unfounded statement to say that they are getting overpaid, but then I think Tom Hanks is as well. Ok, I understand where your coming from it’s supply and demand, and people will push the market as far as it will go, but along with that comes the fact that sometimes you push past what the market can bear.
Honestly I think both sides are a bit rediculous. Who amongst us wouldn’t give an arm to be an NFL owner or a player? I would think that most of us would want to do it not for the money but because foot ball is a blast to play and you get perks that far outpace money in my mind. As for owning a team good god how amazing would that be?!
Arguing about the distribution of profits between owners and players is something that I am really not prepared to do. How much of a players salary is going to union dues, etc.. How much of the owners cash is going into the stadium, coaching staff, front office staff, trainers, field personel, rental fees, recruiting fees, the list goes on. Until I can actually see the definitive data I can’t place how fair it is.
However, I do think it unfair that many in foot ball will never see a million dollar year, and that others on that same team will see years where they make more than half of their team wil make that year.
Lastly, and this is just because again I’m getting long winded. Not all clubs make the same amount of money so profit sharing was introduced. I think this is a big factor when it comes to the owners wanting a change I’m pretty sure Jerry Jones is tired of paying for Vikings players, and if can get them money some other way then they might be able to toss the profit sharing aspect of the NFL.
by Grime on Feb 10, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel the same way.
The list of issues in a very large business is way more than I want to take on also.
It was 50 years ago that the NFL Owners decided to “share” the pie among themselves.
This philosophy has worked so well that no owner has gone hungry. Now they want to change it. That is their right. Just as it is our right to try and push them into an agreement.
Skol
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 10, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm an unabashed socialist, so i always side with the workers.
especially professional athletes. The average nfl player does not work into their 20’s it takes years of near exclusive preparation to reach the height of the sport. Do you think people like Kenechi Udeze went out and got a job? The job of NFL owner can be performed for decades. The Job of player cannot. THese people need to get that money now while they can. They should not have to suffer a paycut. THe people it hurts the most are the league minimum roster filler. The Jeff Dugan’s of the world. Guys like manning and brady will strike not so their salaries will go up, but for the guys on the practice squad who flameout at 25 and have no other skills.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Feb 10, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenechi Udeze did get a job
He works in the weight room for the University of Washington football team.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090903/SPORTS/709039889/1093/SPORTS06
Spare me the socialism for the million dollar athlete junk. What a load of hypocrisy socialism is. Enjoy your limousine lifestyle, socialist, along with Wall Street bankers. They’ll take the profits personally and put the losses on the public. That’s socialism in the USSR, USA, and everywhere.
by medicineball on Feb 10, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From a small market point of view, there is a lot to not like about the current CBA
Most importantly however
Total league revenue is the amount of money all 32 teams take in collectively, that number is then subject to a few equations, and you have that year’s cap number. However, it’s not all equal. All those new skyboxes in Jerry World and New York? Those revenues aren’t shared, but are factored into the salary cap for every team in the league.
The Salary cap used to be simply based on TV revenue, but that isn’t the case anymore.
by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 10, 2010 8:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is great
Summer and Spring without football is bad enough.
Fall and winterwithout football… I couldn’t stand it.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
by Willgfass on Feb 10, 2010 9:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not a Post on which side is Right or Wrong.
We can all go on all day about the good and bad of Billionaires and high salary athletes. I would appreciate fans reactions to the idea of actually taking part in a campaign to force both sides to the table. I totally understand if its just not worth the effort for most people.
But ask someone who was there for the last shortened season and season of crap football. They will tell you that the fight lasted for years beyond the date of the new agreement.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 11, 2010 5:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Aye it did
Personally I think it’s retarded. They make a crap load of money. There are other jobs out there that you have a ceiling on when you just won’t be hired anymore to do that job. So you have to set yourself up to have another job before the one your at craps out. I don’t buy the I worked in the NFL I shoudl be set for life argument. You work so you can pay your bills and hopefully you enjoy it, but I don’t think I’m off when I say many many people don’t enjoy their jobs. This is turning into a rant again.
The top players get payed a lot. The team management gets paid a lot, it’s a high stress job for everyone involved. If the players are really worried about the owners padding the nest then they should make sure the money goes to something that benifits everyone. maybe even to making ticket prices lower :D
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
by Grime on Feb 11, 2010 7:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I don't understand
You are somehow offended that these workers have high priced salaries. These workers are extremely special, non replaceable athletes with world class speed and stamina beyond belief. They are paid less than many top 500 CEO’s and many lawyers and Doctors. They are paid less than other entertainers such as Rock Stars and Movie/TV actors. They are paid within a system that is totally supply and demand driven. Driven by the consumers desire for good football. Now, they are restricted to working for only 32 monopoly protected clubs but there is no bidding war for their services unless the owners make it so.
Your idea is great if the owners reduce their share for lowering ticket prices also.
If Actors and movie producers together reduce their salaries to lower movie prices.
If Bank CEOs lower their salary so checking charges are reduced.
Well you get my drift.
Somehow the Owners have always had the public on their side because no one feels sorry for high salaried players. Of course no one talks about the hundreds of Jeff Dugans that put out and get paid less. Practice squad members that do the exact same work as every other player except they can’t go to the games and get paid $5,000 per month.
This year there is no Minimum salary floor as in past years. I will bet that the owners will use this clause to load up on even more minimum salary players even though it will reduce the quality of the product they put on the field.
Divide and conquer. The NFL want the fans divided on the pay issue. I don’t care what they pay them. I simply want the owners to get this deal done before the season and before they create lasting damage. I doubt that I can stand another Strike/Lock-out
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 11, 2010 9:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I support your call for a boycott, LLV, starting right before the 2010 season.
And on player salaries, why don’t people complain about the owners making tens of millions in profits each year? All they do is sit on a chair. OK. Zygi Wilf does a lot of great things, but there is a limit.
It’s not like they go out on the field and block or tackle. Meanwhile a football player goes out and risks his permanent health for the team. I think players should get 60 or 70 % or some large figure of NFL revenues. A guy like Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, etc…. should get paid big money. It’s a free country and if someone wants to pay millions of dollars to another person just so that other person will play football, I think they should have that right. A lot of us couch potato fans would go out there for free if they would let us.
Owners have a right to make profits. That’s how the world works. But then their employees have a right to get paid.
by medicineball on Feb 11, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
None of them are Over-Paid
Not the owners, not the players, not the actors, not the bankers, not Wall Street.
The question of worth can only be fairly measured on one scale; as a percentage of the profit they bring in.
If a team brings in $100 of profit, and they get 60% to split between 63 players, and 40% goes to the owners who have to pay overhead like facilities and coaching/front office staff, advertising and marketing, people would complain that everyone is under-paid. Increasing the profit doesn’t change the percentage, the money still has to go somewhere.
Socialists want to cap the money earned by the players and owners, and skim whatever percentage they deem to be their ‘fair share’ for their own purposes. I’m not sure where they get the notion that they have any right to the profits that other people have earned, however.
The only reason that the profits are so high is because our economy pays them that much. Lower the amount they make, and fewer people will be interested in participating and risking their physical health and well-being. Capping an industry has been done before, usually with grievous results. The goose that lays the golden egg is slain. On the plus side, no one gets to steal the money, because now there’s no money to steal.
Personally, I subscribe to the ‘Mine Theory of Economics’. What’s mine, is mine, and by definition, that means, “not yours”. Probably comes from being a Constitutionalist and a Cold Warrior for 20 years.
- A Greedy Capitalist Pig
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Feb 12, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, that was what I was talking about
The Jeff Dugans etc… They equally play out there and get paid by comparison a pittance. I guess when I played football I did it because I loved to play, I broke my knee in college and I doubt I was good enough to get into the NFL anyway, but I would like to believe I would still love the game. The money involved cheapens it to me. I understand people want to get paid but seriously how mercenary are you? Bah my argument is for a different time. What I was trying to say is that some teams are NOT making it. Arizona is 4 million in the hole this year. Many teams net income is far lower than the players salaries that are on it. So now I don’t think most of the owners are padding their nest, some are for sure. Remember for evey Eli Manning there is a Dugan, and for every Jerry Jones there is a Wilf…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
by Grime on Feb 15, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point, Grime.
But the bottom line is that through all the marketing, the team is making lots of money and the players deserve a fair percentage of it. Not a flat salary.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Feb 16, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree with that as well
I was just trying to show that not all football teams are making a killing, and since this is capitalism the people who are don’t really want to share.
I do find it odd that Arizona is in a hole though it’s not a small market at all.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
by Grime on Feb 18, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well lets not go to far
A lot of us couch potato fans would go out there for free if they would let u
s.
I’m pretty sure my desire to go out there would be met with instant demystification about the time an NFL linebacker took me down. Then I would pay then to get me Out of There.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 12, 2010 6:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
In other words...
You’d be running for your life in hopes to just fall down and not get hurt….. So all you would get is a tap and you’d cringe until the defender tapped you down.
Reminds me of the movie the “Comebacks”… (It’s a Parody movie mocking all the sports movies that have came out). And they had a Rudy-like guy on the team (Believe his name was Randy) & they started chanting his name and the coach let him go out there. Well, his first real play he got smothered, but ended up helping the team by taking huge hits that nearly killed him. The funny part towards the end is he crawled to the sideline and had a new found fear of football..
by Deek on Feb 12, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I have not seen the movie but will have netflix send it out. Thanks
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 12, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you had that fear you wouldn't have made it that far to begin with
nothing against you, but it does take a certain kind of idiot to enjoy the punishment.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
by Grime on Feb 15, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
I’m not sure if by that you mean I’m an idiot of another kind or that others are bigger idiots than me, or that others are idiots and I’m not. LOL. either way I totally agree with the statement.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 18, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like getting paid 5 million to get in a fight with Mike Tyson
I hope you had your will ready…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
by Grime on Feb 18, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+88- Alna Page
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 12, 2010 3:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yikes, I meant Alan Page
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 12, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nightmare
Us oldtimers remember when the Vikes played at the Old Met and when the cold weather would come, the Purple People Eaters would look like raging bulls ready to charge from their three point stances…the steam bellowing from their nostrils. Yeah, I’m sure Alan Page ran amok in many a offensive players nightmares over the years.
by purplegrey on Feb 21, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Met. The memories are good.
But today I would rather sit inside on a cold football Sunday. I’m spoiled.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 22, 2010 5:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your old...
HA HA HA HA HA… reality sucks….
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
by Grime on Feb 22, 2010 8:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your just an old Hippy. Admit it.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 22, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I am.
Thanks!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
by Grime on Feb 22, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew last night
that I was just an aging boomer when I saw the once radical rock band ,KISS, as guest stars on " Extreme Makeover/ Home edition. Kiss on a Disney Channel program. The world has evolved my friend.
At least the Vikings still play football.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 22, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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