Thoughts on T.O.??
by Deek on Mar 11, 2010 10:27 AM CST
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I was reading this article:
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/10/sorry-t-o-bengals-land-antonio-bryant/
And thought to myself, what if we had T.O.
In my opinion, a couple big-name players are always worthy to sign because they help sell tickets. Tickets may help get us a new stadium. It would not guarantee it, but, I doubt it would hurt...
I know many Vikings fans would love the idea of getting R. Moss back in purple.. What better person to add to the team to encourage Favre to return, right? Even if our O-line & our complete defense below average. For Favre, having a receiving core of Moss, Rice, Harvin, & Shiancoe would make for many targets.
It seems though, we would have to give up a lot to get Moss since he has 1 year left on his contract. He is also aging and coming off a sub-par season with the Pats.
T.O., has had his controversies in the past as being a whiney baby.... But he's also team-hopped quite a bit. I am sure he'll be looking to play for some team that will give him a big pay-day. I don't think in the end we would have the opportunity to even go after him, but if we did, would he be worthy?
I've never been a real big fan of Bernard..... I watched him pull his own hamstring, just running without any contact from any other player. He didn't seem to have a great year as he had hoped and I think he is an over-paid Viking. I wouldn't mind cutting him loose to imrpove for his spot.
Thoughts.....
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Let me write a little poem about this.
Say no to T.O.
The end.
by i_am_pure_barbarian on Mar 11, 2010 10:34 AM CST reply actions
p.s. if Viukings can't "sell tickets" with players they already have
Especially if Favre is back & LT does get signed, then … TO isn’t going to matter.
Seriously, if LT is here & Favre comes back .. that is already one of the most ridiculously star-studded offenses in NFL history. Not just the established ones like BF, LT, AD, and Hutchinson, but also emerging stars like Rice and Harvin.
If that isn’t enough “stars” on that side of the ball to get someone to buy tickets,.then just give up, they’re never gonna buy tickets.
I agree, but don't be naive...
LT is likely being pursued at least partially (if not mostly) to sell tickets, in my opinion. A lot of football people don’t think he has much left at all. Don’t believe me?
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/02/22/ladainian-tomlinsons-options-may-be-few/
“I don’t know that he has anything left,” one NFC executive said. “I’d be hesitant to sign him.”
“Tomlinson rushed for just 730 yards in 14 games and had a paltry 3.3-yard rushing average in 2009 and was, by most accounts, a high-maintenance player in his final two seasons in San Diego. He needed constant reassurance from Chargers coaches and front office people that he was still the cornerstone of their franchise”
“You have to understand, with L.T, you’re not just signing the player. You’re taking on the whole package,” [read: EGO] an AFC personnel executive told FanHouse.
On paper, it may seem logical that we’d sign LT to replace Chester, but in reality, LT has far less left than Chester; why do you think Chester was signed on DAY ONE of free agency to a big deal (before any other backs, including Thomas Jones who ran for more yards than AD last year), while LT still is not signed?
don’t be naive… LT is likely being pursued at least partially (if not mostly) to sell tickets
That was like a total no sequitor to my post — and to the entire thread.
This is a thread about TO, I only mentioned LT in the context that TO would add only minimally incrementally to the “sar power” of the offense. I didn’t even say anything about why we’re getting LT, one way or the other!
But, if you insist on going off-topic, I’ll indulge you for a moment: LT’s only bad season was last year — and even then “bad” is relative. He actually had the same YPC than the guy we are looking to replace, Chester. Your reasoning is actually more relevant to Favre v2005, than LT v2009. And we all know how worthless the projection of Favre’s gas tank from his 2005 performance was. And, in LT’s case, we’re not even asking him to be the feature back.
I like Chester too. But we couldn’t keep him, we couldn’t give him that kind of money. He’s gone. He’s not coming back. Move on, and face the fact that we have to find someone else, someone who doesn’t have the name Chester Taylor.
I guess most people are overlooking…
Are you saying… That Bernard Berrian is better than T.O.??
BB is a hamstring pull away from being out 1/2 the season…. And to top it off, he’s one of the highest paid Vikings…
I also really think there is a little bit of disgust or hatred between Favre and BB.. More so BB hating Brett than Brett hating BB. I think BB expected to have this great season w/ T-Jack at the helm, but Brett came in and decided to throw the ball to all sorts of receivers… Making great plays out of Harvin, Rice, and Shiancoe…. I heard Shiancoe’s name called for receptions way more often than Bernard.
I’m just basically saying, I wouldn’t mind seeing Bernard released and a great WR come in taking his place..
Uh
We already have WR’s much better then Berrian named Rice and Harvin and without the “me me me” whiney boy attitude of T.O.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Mar 11, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Still the point of the idea was to dump BB
I think he’s over-paid and not very successful.
He’s also ham-string injury prone.. And if we did dump him, we could sign someone threw FA to improve the team.
But we would still need another WR
No TO
BB is no where near worth his cost. We WAY overpaid and Chicago is still laughing. He has yet to produce as a #1 and probably never will. Also, he’s way to injury prone.
Rice was finally healthy and proved what many thought when he was drafted, STUD. He’s just a little on the slow side. Reminds me of the days with CC.
AGREE that the Vikes need another receiver. We need a solid 6’3 or taller speed guy, like the days with Moss, to compliment what we already have.
Sorry, but TO has no value to the VIkings. Good possession guy, but that position has been filled.
Well said..
BB doesn’t earn what he is paid…. He’s OVER-PAID….
I almost think that people may not even take him as well.
But if we could dump him off to another team, use that FA open slot to fill a need.
And replace through the draft…. That wouldnt be such a bad idea.
He is only overpaid because of his injury.
He was the best WR in free agency that year and was paid as such. When he wasn’t injured, he had the highest YAC in the league.
Think about it, when healthy and with a bad QB he was the best in the league at making things happen. Just because Favre didn’t have a chance to build a chemistry with BB due to injury does not make him “not successful”.
This is his second year with the team, and you are basing your opinion on just last year. It takes time to build a rythmn with a QB, especially when you are trying to do so with an injured hammy.
I seem to recall him catching a lot of balls in that saints game.
by Bjorno on Mar 11, 2010 5:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Here here
Seven Vikings had 40 or more receptions this year. The Vikings drafted a receiver who went on to the ROY. Berrian, healthy or not, was not going to have the same level of production. He went from being the only serious option to joining the fray late and being the third or fourth. There is only one football on any down.
Let me think about this one
T.O. in purple………..no, don’t think it would happen……….Favre put up with T.O.?……….Dont see it…….Willing to see him as a Viking? No way in hell.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
N-O Spells No
Childress wouldn’t want anything to do with T.O. anyways. Besides, Owens may be washed up at this point. He was supposed to be super amazing with the Bills because Lee Evans was on the other side… and he stank it up. And even the Bengals aren’t interested in him.
Interesting comments..
Basically a thought…. I know most were hoping for a OchoChinco/TO combo…
I know our receiving core is “great”.. Probably one of the best in the NFL as of 2009….
But if we were to cut off our weakest link, it would obviously be Bernard…. With his injury prone hammy, we could easily dump the over-pd player and find some better talent.
As for the 2010 season, here’s to hoping P. Harvin has no migraine issues whatsoever.
In a perfect world, I would rather cut loose Bernard, replacing him with a free agent signing to improve a weak-spot… Whether it be, offense or defense…
I think we could potentially find some good talent for WR in the draft…
Who's to say Bernard is the weak spot?
Just because he had a bad season this past year? I mean, the season before Favre came, he was the leading reciever. If you’re going to base who the weak link is off a single season, then we need to be cutting Rice as well, because he was injured pretty much all year BFE (Before Favre Era) and never really got on the field either.
So, I’d cool it with the “Berrian Sucks!” stuff. I mean, who exactly would we replace him with? Antonio Bryant? He just signed with the Bengals. T.O. is definitely out of the question, and he’d only be here for what, a year at most? I mean, come on. Cut the guy some slack. Knee-jerk reactions are rarely very wise.
Well said Arsist
Yes, before Favre, Bernard was performing better. But – he’s injury prone and before Favre the Vikings didn’t have a real great receiving core.
People like Rice & Harvin are better receivers in my opinion, and they don’t make the cake like BB does.
The suggestion was basically to cut BB, use the FA slot to fill a need of another veteran for a position of need and maybe use the draft to get ourselves a WR.
It’s a thought… I doubt it would happen.. And it may not even be the best option to go. But, I do believe he is over paid and we could be using our resources of money to be spent elsewhere.
Seriously...
Its enough to have an opinion. You don’t have to make up facts. Berrian has played 90 of a possible 96 games. He’s injury prone? Cost/Production is a valid argument. I would argue that if the Vikings add another dynamic offensive weapon that Harvin and Rice’s numbers dip as well. Read: his reduced production should be solely attributed to him.
How about when he led the NFL in yards per reception
with a nearly 20.0 ypcatch the season before last. He was worth the money then wasn’t he? Again, this is really a knee-jerk reaction to his sub-par last season when he had that hamstring injury. How about we give him another chance, like we did with Rice, before we all write him off as over-expensive.
No
No no, a thousand times no. With some no-sauce on top. All washed down with No-lager.
by Jepp The Viking on Mar 11, 2010 11:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Lots of NOs
I was expecting a lot of NOs
But more curious on what we could do about BB. I don’t think he’s cutting it….
I think we should spend our money wisely elsewhere.
Draft for his replacement? That wouldn’t work out so well..
Maybe with all my complaining, he’ll have a completely awesome 2010 season… But I doubt it.
Something needs to be addressed with him.
And the year before last
everyone doubted Rice was going to have a good season…
Except me ;) I've been a Rice supporter since day 1.
by i_am_pure_barbarian on Mar 11, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Older players that show diminishing skills are not a great way to build a Superbowl Team for the future.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
I could understand the diminishing skills...
But I guess I would have to argue with the OLD players..
Unless people like Favre are the ultimate exception..
Well he stated building a super bowl team for the future
Which means an on going attempt to get there. There are teams out there that try to fill holes every year by big money FA’s. Most of these teams don’t make it to teh play offs or don’t go very far once they do. Personally I think it’s becuase of the massive amount of turnover they acheive by trading the way they do. Teams get better for many reasons and adding new people is only one of them (and not always the most successful) Building a core of players with a winning attitude and bringing them together as a team instead of a bunch of millionaires is far more important in the end.
Those are just my thoughts though. I will say this, I take the guys I coach on the O-Line out for dinners and we watch film together on off weekends. I keep the atmosphere fun and challenging. I honestly believe that doing that is just as important as some of the drills we do in practice.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Yes , he is the ultimate exception.
But I see evidence that Moss, LT, WB, ect all are getting old AND have evidence of diminishing skills.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 11, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't him
and Chili have a little disagreement while in Philly?
lol
a little disagreement
lmfao. There’s no way in hell Chilli let’s TO even get close to the MN border.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Mar 11, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Not saying we could get someone to replace BB who is less prone to injury
But I don’t really see TO fitting in with this teams mentality. I mean we were just talking about LT and if he would disrupt the locker room, and he is way less of an issue than TO. Also, I don’t think TO is the juggernaut he was in his youth, so we’d be getting a solid possesion receiver (who we already have ala Rice) If you were looking for a replacement for BB you need to look more to a speedy receiver.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Well...
If Brett Favre returns, like most of us expect him to (Or at least are really hoping for it)…
I still don’t see a great year coming from BB. And I think, if BB had his choice, he would prefer that BF not return because BF spreads the ball around a lot. I just see bad chemistry between the two, (or BB just hating on BF).
Sorry buddy
You can try to slice it from every angle possible, but 99.5% of Vikings fans don’t want T.O.
by Eric J. Thompson on Mar 11, 2010 1:07 PM CST reply actions
Looks to be that way..
I was just thinking of a way to drop BB and put up a better player in his spot…
And if not, drop BB, use the open FA slot to fill a need via FA. And potentially draft a decent WR.
Really?
I don’t know if I would consider TO to be a “better” player. They have a different set of skills at this point in TO’s career. We don’t need another possession guy. Someone to stretch the field to open the middle to Harvin and intermediate for Rice.
I don’t see BB being dropped, he is decent. The problem is the dollar to production ratio.
The Vikes have drafted receivers every year for the past few with little production. So they tried to make a move by picking up BB. Problem was we paid him for what it was thought he could do, not what he has shown with average numbers in Chicago.
He performed that first season
You don’t lead the league in yards per reception on accident. Then this last season he got hurt. One average season doesn’t mean we’re overpaying the guy.
It is not a bad thought IMO
There are a lot of player haters here that dont like a brother because he is egocentric.
The dude does produce. He just gets mad running around out on the field when he is open and he cannot get the ball. All WRs get mad. TO is just more open about it.
TO had 55 catches for 829 yards and 5 TDs last year with Ryan Fitzpatrick as his QB.
Berrian had 55 catches for 619 yards and 4 TDs last year with Favre as his QB.
Berrian was injured and missed some time and “was not really healthy” a lot of the time. Whatever that means? If you are out there then you should be healthy.
As kc612 pointed out, Chilly & TO did have a problem where Chilly basically told him to not talk to him IIRC.
The bottom line is he would definitely improve our WRs and they could try and deal Berrian and his salary to another team. But his salary and compensation would be the problem. We could hope to get a 3rd round pick for him. I doubt any higher.
If we did that and signed TO we could draft a Carlton Mitchell or Demaryius Thomas or Eric Decker to replace Berrian and they can bascially just sit and watch next year while learning the KAO. And we can say adios to TO after next year.
But that would require to much forward thinking for many.
The bottom line is TO can still produce if he has a decent QB which he would if Fvare returns. Anybody who says he is losing it is not looking at the stats.
I mean you can not want him on the Vikings and that is cool but to imply he still cannot play is hatin’. He did better with less than Berrian.
I would trade Berrian and our 2011 2nd to Denver for Marshall. That is how you solve the problem. That is how you get a dynamic offense. Our offense would be unstoppable if we could block better.
I actually don’t have a problem with TO. I just don’t think of it as an upgrade over BB. And I’m in no way a BB fan.
Also, there is no way he gets the $6.5 from the Vikes that Buffalo paid last year.
Speed wise he is not an upgrade
but his numbers from last year indicate he had a better year playing with a much much worse QB.
I look for TO to get signed after the draft and right around training camp and he probably will get at least 4 to 5 mil.
he would be worth it because he would put more fannies in the seats and his jersey would sell as well.
Spacious...
Who else were the Buffalo quarterbacks going to throw to? Berrian had to compete for reps and balls with AD, Harvin, Rice, Shainco on a regular basis. What seven guys had 40 or more rec’s. His early leg injury didn’t help any, but if he were to have had a second strong season it would have come at the expense of someone else.
I'm pretty sure
it was the other way around. TO told Chilly not to talk to him and then Chili made a point to say hello every time he saw TO.
Still think team unity is an important factor
Wheeling and deeling rarely work, Seifert did a study on the top WR’s that got traded around in Free Agency last year and it pretty much showed that people had significant drop offs after a trade (makes sense they are on a new team) So no I don’t think TO would be a marked improvement over Berrian especially as he plays a different role than BB does. Also, Berrian was injured last year, it slowed him down, he didn’t catch much. I think his injury more that his hate on Favre is what caused that to happen. I’m sure that BB wants as many balls as he can handle and hopefully next year when he’s healthy he’ll get more deep balls.
As is he’s a role player now stretching the field so that Rice and Harvin can get more YAC than they would otherwise.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Well said...
BB had a better 08 season since the receiving talent around him made him one of the better receivers. Now with a healthy Rice and the addition of Harvin he has to compete against other great receivers to be open. I still think he is overpaid, especially now that he is not our best receiver in my opinion. As for the 09 season, I would say Rice was our best receiver.
I don’t think that their is hate on Favre by BB, but more so jealousy…. If I was in BB’s shoes, I what I would of seen overall from the 09’ season is new receivers outperforming him. I would be thinking when my contract is up, I would likely be getting the boot, since I am not worth what I am making… It would bother me..
But if a stastistic was done about FA receivers having a worse year with a new team, than it may be best to keep BB on. But if we don’t have the return of Favre, I am expecting a lot of the stats to drop for the receivers this coming season as well.
Deek is still right IMO
and I agree about Berrian’s production relative to his salary.
Injuries do not matter and no one knows for sure if he will come back and play better.
I will just say for sure that there is no way he will get his 2012 & 2013 salaries.
3/1/2008: Signed a six-year, $43.4 million contract. The deal contains $16 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus and a first-year roster bonus of $8 million. 2009: $2.395 million (+ $3 million roster bonus), 2010: $3.7 million, 2011: $3.9 million, 2012: $6.9 million, 2013: $7.9 million, 2014: Free Agent
He will be released and we will need a replacement. I am not saying TO is the guy but we will need someone and if it is a rookie it may take a couple of years to get up to speed.
One of my main ideas on the dropping of BB...
With the Top-8 rule in place.. Losing a high paid receiver would mean we are eligible to bring in another free agent of equal value… Wouldn’t necessarily need to be a WR…. We could get a great player at a position of need via FA.
It seems that BB was only good at 100%…. And I recall one game while he was running down the sideline he just pulled his hamstring out of the blue….
As I watched the injury reports, BB was constantly on it marked as questionable/probable…
From what I recall..
Top 8 rule doesn't apply to traded or released players. BB would not make any difference.
According to Marks post above it appears that the next two years of BBS contract is cheap money ( 3 Million per year) and is all guaranteed anyway. So we have a speedy wide receiver for the next two years. If he doesn’t work out it will be a surprise considering his supporting cast. I think you made a good argument for keeping him.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 11, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
Berrian is making far to much money for his current contribution. However, I don’t see him as a hole in the offense. I do see him as someone who should be worried he’ll be cut next year because there is no way we should be paying him top dollar for the preformance he gives us.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I'm not sure
the top 8 rule applies to trading or releasing a player. I though it only applied to losing players who are free agents?
I am not sure of all the details..
I think you basically can’t go and sign free agents unless you lose one. Whether that be they sign with a new team or they are tagged players and you receive a draft pick.
I am sure if you were willing to give up a player that is under contract, you would be able to sign a player as well.
I haven’t read how that works
Here is how it works.
Top 8 rule only applies to players who’s contract have expired and have more than 5 years of service in the NFL. True UFAs. RFAs don’t count. Released players don’t count. Traded players don’t count. TO isn’t a UFA. LT is not a UFA. Westbrook isn’t a UFA. Berriman isn’t a UFA.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 11, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone else notice
when they leave this site to go to others when you come back they have an add showing what you were looking at? When I’m @ cabelas.com I come back here to a cabelas add. I was looking at knife sharpening systems and come back here to see a williams-sonoma add featuring a chefs choice knife sharpener…..pretty slick. :D
I was wondering why this place had all the ads for porn...
Well maybe that’s just me then…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I'd rather have
Jose Mijares as our reciever than T.O
I love Twins Baseball and Minnesota Vikings Football.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Mar 11, 2010 3:24 PM CST reply actions
NO
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO to T.O.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
Well I was just defending the idea and TO a bit
If I am going to bring in a diva and trade Berrian for whatever then I want Brandon Marshall!
That is who we should be going after. I think once he gets paid he will be happy as a lark and not a problem at all. Plus with the veterans we have on our team he will definitely act right.
The dude is super productive and would take our offense to a whole new level.
I guess I am the only one who is seeing this and who does not think Marshall will be a problem. He is growing up and once he gets taken care of financially, he will have no other problems with his team. Yeah he had some stuff come up with the law but he paid for that and has moved on. Remember that Jared Allen had two DUIs and we still grabbed him and that worked out fine.
You don’t think Favre would be ecstatic to have Rice on one side, Marshall on the other, & Harvin in the slot. Plus we have Lewis & Jaymar who Cris Carter siad was the best WR in the off-season work outs last year.
This not only will make us immensely better with Favre next year, it will make us better for years to come as he is only 25. And after next year, if Favre really finally retires, we would be a pretty attractive spot for free agent QBs like McNabb.
I don’t know what everyone is thinking but I would get this deal done tomorrow! This is a plan to win the Super Bowl next year!
Marshall's Great but...
I agree that Marshall would be a great addition but his price tag is high. Seattle wants him bad but apparently Denver won’t entertain trade offers for him. Denver is sticking too the first round price tag and not budging. I think giving up our first round pick plus signing him too a big money extension is a large price too pay. Berrian’s game is built on speed and I think he delivered his first year here. Last year he was injured throughout the whole season and managed to contribute and play decently. I agree that he is being paid a lot but I think that will become an issue after this season ends. You pointed out his salaries in 2012 and 2013 and they are high. I’d say he might be restructured after 2011 or cut if his production doesn’t increase from last year.
by CanadianViking on Mar 11, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Why trade for another WR?
We have a good balance right now, honestly. Trading for Marshall means that somebody, either Rice or Harvin, is going to then see less touches. We’d have too much. And Marshall seems like the kind of guy to be unhappy if he doesn’t get his way. In a way, he’s a younger T.O.
Besides, if you’re unhappy with how Berrian is being paid for his production, then you likely would be unhappy with what Marshall would want/get and how he’d produce as well.
You guys are crazy
Berrian is OK. About average maybe slightly better than average when healthy.
The assumption is he will be healthy next year which I am hoping.
Marshall is a whole nother animal and a Pro Bowl WR.
You don’t normally find them available especially at a young age.
The money he gets will be deserved and since Wilf said money does not matter then the Vikings could just sign him to a 5 year 50 million dollar deal with 21 or so guaranteed and pay him 15 the first year. He will not see the late years of the contract without a restructure. And they do not have to trade with Denver at all. They just need to sign him to an offer sheet. Denver would have to match or get the #30 pick.
We could do that and then trade him to Seattle for their second round pick #40 and their first next year. Now you are saying what the hell? But Seattle wants him bad but they do not want to give up the high picks this year. So we help them out and drop down 10 spots and get an extra first round pick next year giving us two. We could use two picks next year to move up and get the QBOTF (Locker or Mallett)!
You have to think outside of the box and that is what it will take for us to move up for a young QB.
But I we could also just get him and keep him. Next year free agent QBs would be breaking down our door to come play with our weapons! If there are any good ones.
Not a bad plan
I like Marshall but I don’t want to give up a first round pick for him. Also his skill set is very similar to Rice’s which creates redundancy whereas Berrian’s skill set complements Rice’s.
I wouldn’t mind the draft pick deal with Seattle where we basically act as a go between them and Denver. I just don’t see it happening though. I agree that it makes sense but NFL executives rarely do something outside the box especially when the gains are only realized
in the future. Your ideas are like my G.M. decisions in Madden. Trading pro-bowlers for picks and ditching any player that doesn’t perform immediately. Not trying to be harsh, just trying to temper your ideas with the slower, safer, reality of the NFL.
by CanadianViking on Mar 11, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
You might have been right
Just saw a post on PFT that Philly and NO may make a run at Edwards. I guess we’re going to find out how much the Viking’s value Ray. Hope he stay’s, but if he leaves you’ve got another 1st rounder for your mock and trade scenario’s.
by CanadianViking on Mar 11, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
It has not happened yet but that is how I was seeing things going down.
It just did not make any sense to me to only offer a first and not the highest level tender (I.e., more money). Then try and work out a new deal this year when they should have done it last year if they really truly wanted him.
They will get something and these teams need a DE. One thing I did not think of was that if Philly gives up their first we could package our two picks and try and move up to get Clausen or Bradford. I know some will say it is not enough but the other team will not have to pay that high salary so we would be doing them a favor.
But I do not think we would do that and I do not think we will get a first unless it is New Orleans. I prefer to trade him to Buffalo or the Raiders. That way we do not have to face him.
I'm curious about the Vike's rationale
If they definitely wanted Ray to stay this year they would’ve tendered him at the first and third level like you’ve stated. I wonder if they want Ray to test the market so he know’s what his value is on the open market. What I’m thinking is that they have had contract talks with Ray and that they are far apart on his dollar value. I think this way Ray learns that he’s not worth top money and the market set’s his value. If he signs an offer that is close to what the Viking’s think he’s worth they’ll match. If he signs a monster deal the Viking’s take the first rounder and run.
The only logical reason’s they would get into this situation is if they have a lot of confidence in Robison or that Ray wants more money than what they’re willing to offer. Could be an interesting back and forth on this one.
by CanadianViking on Mar 11, 2010 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
You could be right but why would they piss off their own player?
He just may except whatever he can get because he is upset the Vikings did not offer him what he wanted. But I think they will take what they can get and it will be a second and a later pick.
I wouldn’t mind some teams 2011 1st in exchange.
Then we will have two 1st round picks next year to try and get the QBOTF perhaps.
It all could lead to getting the young QB who may or may not pan out.
Plus we'd have the Hawks #1 pick and they suck
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I think we coudl get Philly's first,
Trading to NO would be a mistake. Don’t need to see more talent on their team. Detroit was shopping their pick earlier this year, be interesting to see if they still would be willing to trade. With as many holes as they have I think two first round picks would be a great idea.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Yeah...
But if you can get Marshall for a bag of chips, do it! As if he’d be available for Berrian and next years second!
Just to clarify
I’m content with Berrian and don’t think we’d get Marshall for anything less than this years first which I don’t want to give up. I do kinda like the idea of being a go between and essentially trading this years first for a second this year and an extra first next year from Seattle. Doubt that it would ever happen as Seattle and Vike’s have some bad history in the form of those poison-pill deals. Hope teams don’t start using those again. They just make things more convoluted, although the Hutch for Burleson swap was cool.
by CanadianViking on Mar 11, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Hey MarkSP18
I’m with you on trying to aquire Marshall. He was the first guy I thought of that could fill Chester’s shoes. (and more)
by JethroBoViking on Mar 11, 2010 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
It is a no brainer IMHO
How many times does a 25 year old Pro Bowl WR become available?
I know he has a similar skill set to Rice and I can live with that since they both caught over 80 passes and 8 TDs. I’ll take that all day. We could use two of those guys and Harvin is fast enough to run a streak here and there. We can always pick up a really fast guy like Berrian.
I like Berrian and I think he is OK as I said but Marshall is on another level and teams would have to double him or Rice. And if they did both then Harvin will be killing them in the slot.
Look at San Diego’s offense. They have a couple of big WRs and a some smaller fast ones.
that oval doesn't fit into the triangle
moss and a low 2011 pick for berrian 30 plus players lose value no matter who they are it works for both. a 2 and 5 for marshall is a better value.
Maybe.
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
I'd be all about it..
But people are sure quick to be willing to dump BB for Moss..
In all reality, when I started the post, I knew a lot of people would shoot down the idea.
Even I thought it wasn’t the best idea…. The only thing I thought to myself was how it could test the waters in proving to BF that we’re trying to give him weapons & threats to throw to.
Hopefully we’ll have a healthy BB this year that STAYS healthy….. My concern is that he is proving to be average, hammy injury prone, and in the end is proving to be over paid a little.
Moss would be the ultimate receiver to have… Because we’re giving Favre something he’s always wanted.. A Favre to Moss combo!!!
I don't think BF needs convincing we are serious.
He had the best passing attack he ever had. Plenty of weapons and they are young and getting better each year. Imagine how sweet it will be with BB healthy. C’mon season. Start Now.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 12, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Guess What
T.O. doesn’t want to win he wants 80 catches a game!
Favre + 3 = ❼ = Vikings= 2009-2010 NFL Champions= New Stadium=Greatest Fans and Team!
by UnBannedVikingholic on Mar 11, 2010 11:23 PM CST reply actions
I’m sayin No to T.O.
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