Vikings Free Agency Strategy
by karl c on Mar 16, 2010 2:31 PM CDT
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Hi,
Could somebody help a dumb Brit understand something about the free agency strategy for the Vikings at the moment,please :D
I've been a Vikings fan for 26 years now (ever since American football was big in the UK when the Fridge was playing for Chicago, used to listen to the games in the American Armed Forces Network). Lately, thanks to this amazing website and the contributors here I've really got into following the off season moves and all the ins and outs of the season as well. But.... I really don't understand fully what our Free agency strategy is at the moment.
Are we currently doing nothing because the talent that we are after is not available, or is our plan linked to the draft (can we get RFA's and URFA's cheaper then)? Do people become available on free agency between now and when the season starts? Or is it up to draft day? I understand we are hampered in our choice because of the final 8 ruling and there being no CBA but we just don't seem to be doing much of anything at all where as other teams (Detroit, Chicago) have made some bold moves.
Oh and one other final dumb question from this dumb Brit. The fact that Chilly seems to be making absolutely no move whatsoever regarding our QB position this year, do you think that he knows something that we don't (I.E that Favre is almost definately coming back or that there is an extremely good chance of this)... does he have some kind of game plan in place that maybe we don't know about if Favre doesn't come back (and if so what could it be)... or is he still putting all of his hopes in T-jack and Sage, and if so is this really a wise thing considering our window for the SB. I'm definitely in the Favre come back camp, but it would be really reassuring to know that maybe Chilly's got some kind of plan....
I'd love to hear your thoughts, I read this site every day and love to read all of the discussions and ideas that you all have. Anyways, good luck and here's to the Vikes getting to the big one and finally lifting that Lombardi (a dream of mine that is still with me in my 27th season now :D)
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There are restrictions regarding our participation in Free Agency this year
SInce we were a final 4 team last season, we are limited to resigning our own free agents, signing free agents who were cut from their prior teams, or attempting to aquire restricted free agents by giving up our own draft picks.
The only exception to this rule is now that we have lost Artis Hicks and Chester Taylor. We are now allowed to sign 2 UFA to similar deals that both Hicks and Taylor received.
This is the reason we have had a relatively slow free agent season.
No worrys! We will have a solid draft, again!
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Low-end draftees aren't typically ready to start or even back-up
Not at #30 and further down. To believe otherwise is like standing on Superman’s cape :)
Hicks was a regular back-up who got plenty of play-time spelling our linemen, and you can call CT a second-string RB all day long but he was the #1 choice on 3rd downs when AP COULD NOT be relied on to get the job done.
If the Vikings FO really thought that Albert Young was ready to fill CT’s still warm cleats, they wouldn’t have put on the full press for Tomlinson.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Gotta disagree a bit
Loadholt, C. Griffin, Sullivan, T. Johnson, R. Edwards, R. Cook, and TJack were all picked in round 2 or later. I believe they all were starters at their positions in either year one or two. I realize Cook and Jackson had their troubles but the rest have been fairly decent. Also, all five of our draft picks last year started at least one game.
Not saying that I want rookies to be starting many positions next year, but #30 and down is where most backups come from. I don’t think it’s out of the question that we might end up with a new starting guard, corner, and 3rd down back from this draft. Hopefully we do! That being said, I’m not sold on Albert Young yet either.
by CanadianViking on Mar 16, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
You proved my point
Of all those guys, only Load proved to be a first year starting player. And his competition was the abominable Ryan Cook….
2nd Round, Pick 54 – Phil Loadholt is the only guy in your list who was a legit starter in his first year. Halfway through the year, draft analysts revised their opinion of him and said Load should have been a top-10 1st rounder. The Vikings chose very well, and other teams missed this gem. Luck could also have been a factor. Despite the fact that he started in his first year, he too struggled all year long and as good as he was, on occasion he was simply manhandled by more experienced opponents.
2nd Round, Pick 48 – Cedric Griffin struggled quite a bit in his first year, and a lot of people on the DN were very down on the guy even in his second year. 2009 was the first year that Griff really stepped up and looked like the CB we had hoped he would develop into. He didn’t move into a first string position til his second year.
6th Round, Pick 187 – John Sullivan was invisible in his first year, and not very impressive when he did finally start; in his second year (last year).
2nd Round, Pick 43 – Tyrell Johnson was less than impressive in his first year, despite getting extensive play time. He wasn’t designated as the first stringer SS til his second year showed twice as much effectiveness but he really didn’t start making much impact til the latter part of 2009. We still don’t know if he’s a keeper or just a place-holder.
4th Round, Pick 127 – Ray Edwards was definitely looking like the weak-sister on the D-line until December 2009 and the playoffs. We still don’t know if that increased performance was a fluke or if he’s all grown up now. He only started in 2 of the last 4 games of his rookie season. In 2007 he missed part of the season because he was suspended for steroid use (not relevant to the issue, just something that popped up and I had forgotten about). He wasn’t the designated starting DE until 2008.
2nd Round, Pick 51 – Ryan Cook…. the Penalty Machine. We got him as part of the Moss-to-Oakland deal. He’s still not a starter. You win some, you lose some. This guy is a very legitimate 3rd stringer.
2nd Round, Pick 64 – Tarvaris Jackson… let’s not even start on this issue. I just have one thing to add to the reams of reaming commentary already done on this “starter”… did you know that his full name is Tarvaris Fox Jackson? Bet ya didn’t. Who knew that the Silver Fox was mentoring a lil’ Fox? Maybe “T-Jack” is the wrong nickname for him. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to look at him again without seeing an image of ‘Garth’ doing his foxy routine.
Sure, you can put a guy from the lower end of the draft into a starting position, even let him start games. But that doesn’t mean he’s an NFL first-string starting caliber player. In many cases, it just means he’s the best of a lot of lousy choices and your team doesn’t have anyone better to put into that position.
What I’m saying is that when a guy is drafted in the 1st round, he’s expected to be able to step in and play on day 1 and make an impact. If he’s a top 10 draft pick, a team should be able to see the guy play first string, yes, even if he’s a QB. I’m not saying he’s going to put up top numbers, but he should be able to play with the big boys right away. The further down the draft tree you go, the less you can reasonably expect for that to happen. After the first round (I said after #30 because #30 is almost the end of the line), if you get a guy who can start in the first year, it’s probably due more to luck or the fact that most of the rest of your team at that starting position are a bunch of scrubs.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Exactly on point
I have never seen anyone describe the process better. All of the posters who say “so and so should go in the second round and start right away” are denying the true facts of the NFL.
Most first round draft picks after #15 do not start in the first year.
Only 50% of all first round draft picks start their first year.
All other rounds get worse round by round. That is 2nd round picks end up being better statistically than 3rd round picks. 3rds are better than 4ths ,ect.
Over 50% of 2nd round choices bust. Its worse after that round.
90% of all QBs taken after the first round bust.
50% of first round QBs bust.
60% of first round DTs bust. ( Do you have faith in Suh and McCoyy?)
The Vikings have been good at getting draft choices to make the team. Exceptional. That is because starting in 2006 we were very weak throughout. Now we are stronger. Good depth.
It will be very difficult for us to get more than three draft choices to make the team this year. If one starts sometime this year I will be impressed.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Well there is another caveat
Just because I like disagreeing with you LLV. Yes most people who start will be out of the first round. However, you also have to look at people who are first drafted for a position. There are some positions less sexy than others (guards, TE’s, kickers…) that may not have anyone picked up in the first round. That may mean that entire class sucks, but it could also mean that the priority positions (LT, QB, CB, DT) are being swept up in the first round and quality top of their position players drop to the second. With that in mind I could see some second round players have fairly high expectations.
In reality we’re doomed without a QB.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Doomed without a QB? Doomed with Farve?
Please do not let Revenge4Farve hear you say that. Of course our largest need is a QB of the Future. We do have capable back-up in Sage. Superbowl backup? Probably not. But most teams don’t have two SB QBs. I have no doubt that the triangle is working on the issue.
I believe that Clausen is actually going to be available somewhere between picks 5-10. We have few draft necessities. This could be the year to move up. I don’t know how. I don’t know the cost. I don’t know how they rate Clausen. I just know that the timing is right.
Detroit is rumored to hate the #2 spot.
Chiefs are rumored to hate the #5 spot
Tampa is Tampa
Seattle is building from near bottom but has a QB for now.
I see this as an opportunity not a scenario of Doom.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Does it help the Vikes at all that you have T Jack and Rosencopter who could both be used as trade bait and if you combine these with the 30th pick in the second round the Vikes could get who they want and a QB of the future like Colt McCoy or Pike with that pick.
I don’t think so.
First off we know T-jack isn’t wanted ,so far, by anyone for a third round pick.
Second you have to keep one of them anyway. Farve might not return (doubtful) and you can’t have a project QB backing up your only QB.
Third, both of them have contracts that will expire next year which lowers their value a little.
But if the Vikings want McCoy or Pike they only have to select them with the #30 pick. They will both be around for at least two rounds and probably part of the third. We only have issues trying to obtain the “most likely to succeed” QBs in Bradford and Clausen.
If we don’t want either of them then we should just select who we want.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 19, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Favre is coming back, 100%.
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Mar 26, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Farve this year, McNabb the next...
McNabb only has one year left his contract ..and he is obviously not going to re-sign with the Eagles. McNabb is expressing interest in Minny now and that could mean that he could eventually sign with the Vikings as a Free Agent after this season. With Farve now McNabb later AP in his prime and the PURPLE wall on D, the VIKINGS are gonna be contenders for a while.. sorry crappy GB fans..
So in other words
am I off in my “debate” in another post, that if we are going to groom a QB for the future, should we grab even a McCoy or Tebow in late 1st round or early 2nd (if we move up)?
Didn’t get down fr enough Karl to see if your other questio onFA’s was answered. But yes, there will be other free agents between draft and the season. Maybe not great ones but at times players that make for stronger depth in a needed area. Many times after the draft a team has goten a player they wanted and cut a player then or later. Most of the time they see how the rookie and the guy he is to replace fight it out in camp before that decisionis made. It is harder for these FA’s because other teams have maped out a plan by filling their roster so they hopefully have enough skill and luck to find a team that could still use help at that position.
You look at a Derrick Brooks. Probobly still had enough in the tank to help a team but as time went on there was no team willing to pay the $ for an aging LB over a rookie prospect they want to see develop. As the season rolls on these guys have to stay in game shape and have a short period of time to learn a teams system.
Unless they are picked up during/before camp it is kind of a lost cause. many of these guys get a tryout cotract and it is found out why they were released and then end up getting released again. Pretty much time to retire. There are some fortunate hits at times. One being a fellow named Chris Carter.
Depends on why you were cut.
by CitrusFLViking on Mar 18, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I really wish any of us knew exactly the best way to go about getting a QBOF. Time is very short for grooming a project. Little chance of getting the best at #30.
Free agency next year is a long shot.
T-Jack and Sage don’t seem to be the SB answer.
Good luck with any theory. Mine is we need Clausen this year and hopefully he will fall a little so its not so expensive.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 19, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Is there such a thing as Voodoo Draft Magic!!
stick a pin in all those evil owners that want to draft a Franchise QB before the Vikings get to select.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 19, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey DC
Where does Sidney Rice fit in that equation? Or Michael Bennent? or ….
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Rice didn't start his first year and it was only this year he started producing at acceptable levels
well more than acceptable but you understand what I’m saying.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Rice didnt produce because we had horrible QB's!
Put on film. He was very capable of making the plays he made this year. He did make those plays when the QB’s werent jump passing to his feet.
I know he has improved, he’s improved into an all-pro caliber receiver.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I really have nothing to say to that
as I agree with you 100% but you better hope MB doesn’t see this post.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
ha ha ha...
hard to be a stand out WR when the ball keeps hitting you in the feet.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Mar 26, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL.
I don’t mean to be a PITA. All in good fun.
by medicineball on Mar 26, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank God you have a sense of humor
in five years if TJ gets good I don’t think I’ll find mine :D
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Rice was also
only 19 when drafted. He was a boy among men. I got a chance to visit ith him and like an old man told him “listen, I saw you play in college. You are good. You have 2 years experience now. 2 years! You are 22 now and still as young as most guys being drafted” He said his Grandma made the same observation and appreciated the sentiments.
Sure Favre helped, but sidney was putting in the work long before Favre came in. Give him some credit. I was reading stuff at this time last year where he had a strength plan in place and was spending time working with Carter and a few other successful vets
by CitrusFLViking on Mar 18, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
True
But he did have to build his body to catch up. Were the injuries because he was too young. I am gald we got him. That is my argument with some of these idiots who think NFL should let young guys be drafted. Very few young guys make it in the NBA and the NHL and MLB have minor leagues.
NFL should have a small developmental league in the Spring and early summer. Keep us addicts with a fix and give young guys and undrafted FA’s a chance to learn and develop.
My God son had one chance. Actually he tried out for 2 years. There was no where to go. He had arena offers but those guys have no security if injured. it was not worth a crippling injury for what they payed.
The NFL could put teams in some “untouched markets” A place to let young draftees play befor being thrown into the arena with the gladiators.
Plus a team can still keep the rights by paying a players salary in such a league.
NFL could put a nice devlopmental league together in old USFL cities.
Or Portalnd, San aonio, Louisvile, Okla City, Salt Lake, Birmingham, Omaha, Little rock. Heck, put one in the big stadium in LA so we can mock them. All teams share in a pool to form teams and we have off season football.
Thhe UFL is stupid for not learning a lesson from the USFL. They succeeded in the Spring by not competing with the NFL. This would be the NFL showcasing players of the future who could not handle college or high draft picks that needed specialized training and reps. Guys like Quinn and Carr.. Save valuable roster space while these kids develop.
Oh to be able to speak to these guys and show them the worth of a developmental platform.
Oh, How bout a T-Jax in a league where instruction is the focus and palying reps are the true test?
by CitrusFLViking on Mar 25, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, they do
2nd Round, 44th pick – Sidney Rice, he wasn’t exactly on fire during his first two years. In fact, he was pretty marginal in 2008, marginally better than Allison who got released. I think he got credit because he was in a leg brace from October on.
1st Round, 27th pick – Michael Bennett only got to start in his rookie year because Robert Smith retired. He was all-pro in 2002.
There’s no hard and fast rule about this, any team could pull the next Tom Brady in the 6th round, toss him into the cooking pot on the first day of the season because the lead QB breaks a leg, and suddenly they got a sweetheart of a deal. I’m sure it happens. It’s just not likely.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Again Sidney was hindered by his QB's...
In the first two years. He would have been a legit starter with a good QB.
Michael Bennent only got to start because Smith retired? Ya, that’s why we drafted him, to replace Smith (a move I didn’t like then and still dont like now).
Do you think that Minny was the only team he could have started for?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
You are correct NMVIKE. So is DC
Sidney has produced. Bennet produced. Harvin produced. But that doesn’t change the odds of drafting 2nd round talent and worse and have them starting. Maybe we are just that good at drafting but NFL History has told us that if you want to build a solid team you do it through your top draft picks over time. Not FA and not with other peoples castoffs.
No one is at odds here. All parties are right for a change. Vikings will draft well. Hopefully very well with their first pick or two. And we will fill those few holes that exist.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually don't even know how this started..
The guy asked about free agency this year, I explained that we are handcuffed. Then added that its no reason to worry because we draft well.
By the way LLV, I agree with this statement 100%
NFL History has told us that if you want to build a solid team you do it through your top draft picks over time. Not FA and not with other peoples castoffs.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I was trying to spread a little optimism I suppose ;-)
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
not sure i believe in "other peoples castoffs"
a lot of our team is made up of those certain “castoffs”
Was this a reply to my Free agency post????
Indianapolis and NE are consistently drafting at the end of round 1, they always find guys at that place in the draft to start on day one.
AP could not be relied on???? He saw more and more action on 3rd down this year. And what’s the alternative, pay CT 3 million a year to not play at all? He spelled our horse. It just so happened to be on third down. I don’t see that as evidence of not being able to rely on AP. I have never heard once from any coach on the Vikings staff that CT played on 3rd down because AP can’t. That’s something that some talking head mentioned and some people took the bait line and sinker.
There is no reason to get our feathers in a ruffle because we haven’t been active in FA thus far. This year’s draft is deep. Much deeper than the free agent market.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Oh I'm not ruffled
You will notice when I’m ruffled :D
AD is not a pass catcher, he also not very good at blocking. These things have been stated by Childress and co. as well as talking heads of every description. That is what a third down back HAS TO DO. If they don’t then they aren’t a third down back. So while I can honestly say that no one has said AD is a poor third down back I can infer he is by his skill set. Also, I would really rather not have AD as our only go to back as it will kill him by the end of the season.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Could you kindly provide evidence of Childress and Co saying that?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I wish I could
It’s just memory of reading articles over the last couple of years. As well as the fact that every year AD has been with us they’ve talked about improving his pass catching and blocking skills.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I've heard talking heads talk about it
But I still haven’t heard Childress or Bevel mention anything close to it.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
rumors
got to agree here with NMvike, people have speculated all these things, but neither chilly or bevell have said this. And by the way, AP is an excellent blocker, i am not even sure how that got into your head?
Yup :)
It was a response to this;
No worrys! We will have a solid draft, again!
I’m just saying that while CT was a backup RB on the roster, in reality he was playing like a #1, and you don’t typically find guys of his ability in the lower draft picks, ready to step up on day-one to fill CT’s cleats. That’s all.
Worse… in a year with the Vikings restricted in their draft and FA moves, they may have to use a draft pick to get a good RB to take CT’s place. Even if CT costed a good bit more, it’s such a waste of a very precious draft pick in this particular year. This, more than anything else, makes me want to kick Spielmann’s in the tail.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
All I am trying to say is
No need to get upset because we missed out on LT. If Young and Johnson arent the answer, they’ll bring in Westbrook or Fargas and we’ll be fine at the running back position. Let’s not forget that we still have the best back in the league in Adrian Peterson.
Last year’s draft was pretty darn good. All the guys made the team, and all of them played a lot this year.
Next month’s draft should at the minimum provide the same results. I think with all the talent available, we should end up with an even better crop.
The FA pool is especially shallow this year. Sure it would have been nice to land a Dunta Robinson or LT, but Spielman and Childress know what they are doing. These are the same guys who acquried Brett Favre, Jared Allen and Steve Hutch. No worries! SKOL!
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Hey mate!
Oy! Ok wait that might be a different island (continent whatever). First off lets just say that our head coach is a leprechaun. Taking that into consideration everything else does make a bit more sense.
Seriously though, we actually do have a very good team, adding new people creates a chemistry issue that doesn’t always bode well. There have been numerous studies on FA’s goign to a team and the year after they get there their production takes a nose dive as they have to come to grips with a whole new system.
We also have an issue were UFA’s are going to be tough for us to get. we can spend 12 million over 4 years on one and something much smaller on another. I don’t see much of anything out there that would make a marked improvement on our team and be worth that money.
Next, RFA’s well they aren’t traded around as much as you would think. This has been a relatively quiet year because of that. Many of the players that should have been UFA’s this year are hamstrung by this and it’s going to stop a lot of movement from happening. First people rarely want to give up draft picks secondly the originating team can always match the offer sheet. As this is a year with no cap, you really can’t press a team to sell a player by making it to costly to keep him.
Lastly our coach is a leprechaun, seriously after the game I saw him click his heals twice and a rainbow shot out of his rectum. Yeah sort of grossed me out too, but at least now I know why no one has found his pot of gold.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Yeah sort of grossed me out too, but at least now I know why no one has found his pot of gold.
You’re in rare form, Grime, lol…
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Very little talent available
As stated above we’re hampered by the final four restrictions. Also this is a really poor free agent crop with so many players being forced into restricted free agency due to the uncapped year. Most of the available free agents are older players who are potentially on the downside of their career or younger players that have been cut due to a lack of talent. Over two hundred players who would have been unrestricted free agents are restricted this year causing this lack of movement. This group of players contains almost all of the young and upcoming talent that would usually be available.
The quarterback question? Who knows what Chilly’s plan is. I’m pretty sure Favre will be back this year but next year is up in the air. We should have a better idea what the plan is after the draft. If we draft someone relatively high they’ll probably be the quarterback of the future. If not we’ll either go with TJack and Sage again or we might sign Mcnabb next year when he’s a free agent.
If we roll with TJ
I will find MB"s house and burn the words I hate you into his grass with lots of salt. The reason I say this is because the only way I see TJ starting for Minny again is if MB has done some kind of wierd voodoo ritual.
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MB did that reverse Voodoo thing with the Saints and it backfired.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I would add
Others are cut due to having too high of a salary. Though few, these players are often big ticket players with lots of potential suitors who can out bid the Vikings.
Or their salaries were ballooned at the end
with the idea that they would be released before they got to that or their salary renegotiated. I don’t think anyone believes that Berrian will see the end of his salary especially as it pretty much doubles in three years.
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Thanks
Thanks for the awesome replies guys! I think I will always see Chilly as a little leprechaun from now on, it fits perfectly! Thanks for explaining all!!!!
I'm really hoping it catches on.q
I want one night on Monday night football for the announcer to say: ‘I wonder what the leprechaun will pull out now Marty’
My life would end complete then.
Oh and glad we could help!
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Karl, feel honored. at leat Grime is off the Gerbil kick.( even if it means leprechauns for awhile.)
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by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Til he decides to combine the two....
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
You know that hurts...
But it has distinct possabilities. Gerbils hunting for gold anyone?
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One of the greatest speakers in our time once said:
“The Pieces are in place”
The Vikings only lost 2 guys in the FA, and both those guys were back-ups. So there’s no real need to sign any big named FA’s….Plus they’re restricted by the top-8 rule.
Who knows with the QB situation. I think Chilly is counting on Favre coming back for another year. It looks like nobody’s interested in TJackson, and I doubt Chilly is gonna release him, so I think Jackson will get an extension, making next years QB line up the same as last years. Favre, Jackson, Rosenfels.
If you think...
…that it’s no big deal to lose a Chester Taylor, you may not have understood just how good and how important he was to our team. :(
I’ll be the first to admit that Taylor is a solid RB. In fact, I think he was the best FA-RB this year., but I don’t think we’re screwed w/out him….not to mention, he was too expensive to keep around.
The Vikings Offense has so many weapons that it creates 1 on 1 match ups, and that should make it easier for a new guy to come in and be successful.
We have 2-HB’s sitting on the practice squad waiting for a chance, plus I hear there’s a some good HB’s in this years draft.
For the Vikings to be successful, Taylors replacement doesn’t have to be as good as Taylor was. He just has to be solid. With that said, I think we’ll be okay….Now lets turn that frown upside down. :)
Hey we can get tebow and put him at HB
Then run the wildcat for real with him and Harvin back there. lol
no seriously LOL.
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doc goth says....
first UFA, a veterain OT would fit the 3 to 4mil. a year range though it is tricky because 6-8 year guys dont like to be backups. a blocking back . second RFA , signed players become trade bait. some sign early for a fresh start others hold out long into training camp. most trades are made a round below the tendered offer. example, cook and jackson have 3rd rd tenders projected to be traded for 4th rd picks. if we try to offer a tendered price all the other team needs to do is match the offer . a guy like morrison at oakland looks appealing but if oakland matches it tips the hand of other teams as to our draft needs. third , straight trades for expendable guys. example . if harvin takes over for berrian or madeau doesn’t fit in the cover 2 scheme they could be traded straight up , for a pick or two or the new trend to flop picks to target specific players. we do have wiggle room for maybe two players but the viking organization prefers players with 4-5 years experience to accept a new contract immediately. hope this helps.
QB isn't an issue
unless tarvaris gets traded,he is better than any 4th rd projected player.
That is the case this year
And QB is pretty deep this year, T Jack has starting experience and has sat behind the Silver Fox (a-la A Rod and Matt Leinhart) which could have not hurt his ability to run a successful West Coast offense in the NFL and should make him starter material for a team like Seattle, Washington, Buffalo, and Oakland.
rainbow wishes and leprachaun dreams... that is...
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Mar 26, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
well we already have the leprechaun..
you think bevel is gay?
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best quarterback trio
If Favre returns, we have the best quarterback trio in football. I don’t see a need to upgrade, except to add a practice squad quarterback.
by medicineball on Mar 26, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting stuff
It’s really interesting to here you guys talk about this stuff because it adds a whole new dimension to the game itself, sort of like a chess game with contracts. It’s also really nice to hear the confidence that is voiced by so many people in the know.
What are your opinions of the signings of Detroit and Chicago with regard to the draft/strengthening their challenge in the division. Also what is your view about Green bay not really making much waves in free agency so far, are they playing pretty much the same game as us.
Oh and one more pops to mind, what are your views on the signing of the new chap (can’t remember his name at this point) to the special teams… our new kick off specialist? I seem to remember in the New Orleans game the field position we were giving away was a slight problem because of the possibility for returns, but didn’t think our resident kicker was doing such a bad job.
Thanks once again for all of these really interesting answers, I’m thoroughly enjoying this discussion with wise minds.
Oh and one more…. our offensive line… does it need to be improved, and if so how?
Critical Need
Oh and one more…. our offensive line… does it need to be improved, and if so how?
There’s different opinions on this, but I think the O-line is the #1 priority. It let Favre get beat up all year long, and the culmination against the Saints was horrible. The line needed improvement before, but now that the Vikings have just lost the mediocre-but-reliable Hicks, the depth is shot and it’s got to be the top priority.
Why? No matter who’s at QB, that man needs to be protected. Favre has one of the quickest releases in the game, and he spent a lot of time on the turf last year, even before McKinnie got hurt. If the QB does get 5-7 seconds to find an open target, the passing game is dead. Without a better run-blocking line, AP gets mostly shut down with no lanes and no support beyond the line of scrimmage. Where does that leave the Viking’s vaunted balanced offense? Balanced at zero.
2 O-linemen, 2 CBs, a QB prospect, a DT, and a MLB in the draft. With more RBs walking on.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Hate the fact that I can't edit a post....
If the QB does get 5-7 seconds to find
If the QB doesn’t get 5-7 seconds to find …
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
But that seems so tricky
It’s going to be tough to hit a home-run with all those positions this year. Next year, once Favre retires (which I’d guess he’d do if he returns this year), we’re going to be in trouble. :(
Tricky Spielmann
Yep, it’s tough, but Spielmann’s done a great job so far with every position EXCEPT for QB. So maybe they can pull this off.
Remember, most of the draftees won’t be able to play right away. If the Vikings are lucky, 1 or 2 might be able to play this year, but even if they all pan out, most won’t see much time on the field til next year.
All that’s normal, it takes time and effort to rebuild and that’s why the rebuild has to start now, rather than taking a wait-and-see approach.
Look at the situation for a moment, pretending the Vikings have ZERO draft picks this year….. O-Line might be ok, they did have some big changes last year and everyone’s had a chance to get better at working together. DT is alright for another year, we can survive waiting there. CBs will be ok once Winfield and Griff are back up to snuff, and that ought to be around the first game of the season. MLB will be fine if EJ fully recovers as the physical trainers indicate he will. If the backups at RB are worth half a damn, we’ll be ok there as well, between Young and Johnson, but AP will have carry a heavier load now that CT is gone. And we’re assuming Favre will return :)
See what I mean? We aren’t truly hurting in any position, we’re at a point where working on the rebuild NOW is the smart thing to do. Also, all that rosey outlook comes with a boatload of IFs… assumptions that everyone returns, healthy and ready to rock. They probably will, but smart management takes out insurance policies. That’s what we’re really talking about in this draft, starting the rebuild and taking out insurance policies.
The only positions that we absolutely need to focus on are the ever-present QB problem because Favre’s gone after this year, and O-line help because we lost Hicks and we need both help and depth. We can survive THIS YEAR without those things but next year we’d be in a crunch.
No worries, and no need to despair, Spielmann’s proved that he knows his job (with the caveat of selecting QBs, but McNabb is in FA next year :) ).
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Mar 21, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd this because this is exactly how I feel
People get to tied up with the rest, the more often you have a chance to go to the SB the better chance you have of winning it. This year we are pretty much set since almost 100% of our people will be coming back. Yes we need depth at OL, and someone to take over CT’s spot. But without a QB we are going no where. No where. We can lose EJ and still win games, we can lost CT and winfield. If we lose Favre we are done winning. Period. So that is our biggest weakness and needs to be treated as such.
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HA HA HA HA HA
Ok sorry you said we were in the know. Not to disparage you but we’re all just grasping at straws here. Even people like MarkSp180, and a couple of others who seem to know the draft backwards don’t really know how good the back ups are on the team. So there is a whole lot of guessing going on.
As for the moves by Detroit and the Bears. Well for the first team it’s all about rebuilding. I don’t think they are really expecting their free agents to be game changers, but they are hoping they will help cement their draft picks together. As for the Bears well Lovie is in a sinking ship and he’s using a colander named Cutler to bail. If he doesn’t do something impressive this year he’s most likely gone. Good news for him his owners ponied up the cash, Bad news is pretty much every study done on big FA signing show them to have a significant drop off in production their first year. Having to figure out new team mates, new schemes etc.. Pep may have the ability to get past that but look at Washington. If you could buy a superbowl I think they would have figured out how by now.
I like the signing of Rhys-whatever. He doesn’t kick it much farther than longwell but he does kick it a might higher and that means we have more people down there by the time he catches the ball.
O-Line is an interesting animal. More than any other place in the game the O line is a beast that needs people to understand how everyone else plays. The longer an o line sticks together the better they will play. At the end of the year I was a huge proponent of tossing Hrerra (still am really) but I do realize he played between two brand new starters. So i can’t really judge. McKinney is a fat f$#% and we do need to find some one who can play for more than 5 seconds at a time.
Hope this helps and thanks for giving us something to talk about in the offseason.
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Gerbils
Thank you for your insightful answers Grime, and not a Gerbil in sight either :D
The gerbils get all hyped out of proportion
I think LLV has a thing for them secretly…
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This years free agency market shows just how effective the NFL system is.
Good teams like the Vikings have great players but late round draft picks. Bad teams have poor players and high draft picks. With over 200 RFAs available one would think that the bad teams would just offer the good players new contracts. But those high round draft picks are really valued very high by those teams. Plus the RFAs are more expensive to a team than 2nd round or later players selected in the draft. So for a bad team to get better they have to raise their salary limit for their team. Not so easy to get the owner to do.
The other thing to consider is that there is no salary floor this year. Many teams are reducing their payrolls. Since revenues will increase ( tv contracts,ect)) it is simply considered good business by some owners.
I think the Vikings strategy is quite simple. Since we are a great team that has lost no starters we are going to play the salary game just as we have in the past. No big increase or decrease. If a player is available that makes our team better we will look at that player. We will draft well. We will try and retain who we have. We will try and win the Superbowl with this Superbowl team.
Its not flashy but it should be effective.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
I don't know about back ups
Chester really wasn’t a back up. We will need to replace him as it’s a weak point of AD. Hoping Young can pull it off always like seeing people move up in the ranks from within.
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As usual you are correct.
Chester really wasn’t a back up
I was simply quoting Spielman. “We expect to have all 22 starters return”. That is why I didn’t use the word back-up. HaHa Gotcha.
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by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
first off
detroit is still taking old guys to help for now and not the future. chicago as i stated in the past is over paying to fill . they are nowhere near the evolved state of our norseman. peppers was brought in to take pressure off their poor secondary.they need two years of good drafting to get better. all those cutler INT’s will allow good draft sellections but, the coaching staff may be retire after next season. GB is trying to run a business first and not a winning team. they stuck their foot in there mouth by claiming they will only develope o-lineman from lowe rounds of the draft. we’ll see what jared, peppers and vanderbosch think of that one. the specialist. teams late in the season neutralized harvin with touchbacks. brad is trying to catch up with others in that reguard. i think the opposite in reguards to longwell from your comments. childress’s high reguard for his kicker allows this move without taking away from his confidence. he saves money to that sly fox. kickers are cheap. unfortunately a special teamer like safety, WR , or LB will be lost to fill the spot. hope my ramblings help see some pluses and minuses to the moves.
Thank you all once again
Thanks for this and all of the other comments made on this post so far, it is all VERY enlightening and helpful, and it is a pleasure to talk to such educated and dedicated people. Can’t make a long reply at the mo… am teaching and have got another class right now, but will reply as soon as I can with a more in depth response.
Would just like to say that all of these comments are really helping me understand the game better! Thanks for the time guys :D
DT/E, LB , FS , CB , OL , RB , WR , blockingTE
if we want depth at more than these positions than free agency will be needed. if you look the team is allowing for development across the board. it is true the team as in rick speilman generally takes really big lineman or a playmaker in the top three. he believes you win in the trenches. than build at each level. 3 pro bowlers in front EJ and greenway in middle then winfield and a future guy on the backside. sanford may become that guy. we’ll see. i believe we will take offencive guys in the early rds because defensive depth thru six is strong. it all depends on the aggressiveness or patience of those drafting just before and after usthe jets will undoubtably target solid aggresive defenders ahead of us as rex knows talent.
The trenches is where you win
People who forget that fade quick. The biggest thing i’m worried about with Chicago was a non player move. Tice was a damn good O line coach. He made some serious lines in his time and I think he will seriously help the Bears o line next year and in years to come.
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That is
If they give him more than a solid LT to work with. The Bears O-Line across the board is the oldest in the division with Garza and Kruetz well in the 30s and have no heir apparents which is about as bad as GBs lack of OT depth.
Good point about Tice. I forget his line work with us.
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by lifelongvike on Mar 19, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
my degrees are in teaching too
remember the triangle as they refer to the top 3 decision makers will take high character guys only. this clue will help pin point who they target when their pick comes.
later we'll get into the darker issues
goodell , the union , and the williams trial and how they fit into this crazy puzzle !!!
Stop, you are scaring the children. :)
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by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
dc purple
OC from florida would fit , most starting OT’s will be gone. the supp. pick may serve to replace hicks. hit and miss. that’s why they get the big bucks. i think a better o-line coach is a bigger need. bring in john madden. you think i’m kidding. oh wait we’ld never get brett up off his couch…..
Maurike Pouncy is the OC from Florida's name.
Plays center and guard. Could be available at #30. But why the comment on the O-Line coach.
He coached a line with two new starters to a conference final. What does he have to do? Win the SB?
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by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that would be a huge plus.
Still miss Mike Tice.
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not dogging
a more sophisticated coach could do wonders for this line. i dont believe the line works well enough as a unit. the talent is there. the line under o’leary was much more elaborate with their spacing and gap assignments. as farve was getting hammered where were the adjustments. tice undoubtably knew his o-line. he liked cerebrial , athletic , tough and multipositional guys. i said before if it wasn’t for the ego factor tice would have helped though his lines were prepaired they lacked the adjustment. in this evolution of creating a dynasty the big picture is? to go deep in the playoffs we must adapt to and adjust schemes to overcome sophisticated defences. rex ryan in NY will be a tough nut to crack on their defencive side. we will destroy their run game as 75% of it know sits in KC and their rookie still has a lot to prove never playing in more than a third of a season as the primary back.
maurice
we all know who the only potential OC’s name is and several teams are giving him a serious look. how can we tell ?they start complaining about them.
the goal
Nice to hear from a Vikings fan from Britain!
Here is my perspective on the question.
The goal of the team is to win the Super Bowl. The Vikings had enough talent to win the Super Bowl last year, but did not. One of the things the Vikings lacked was playoff experience. Last year was good playoff experience for young Vikings players. Add this analysis to the good locker room chemistry. There is little reason to jump into free agency. The Vikings already have a bunch of stars and a high payroll. The Vikings are just going to add a player here or there and that’s it. Next year, the team just needs to put it all together.
another goal
get better playing on grass. we are built for speed. we need to add some toughness. the one prediction I was off on was farve’s ability to win on the road. healthier front lines will help. hopefully farve’s sophmore year will produce a few more grass wins………………
karl
start lining up some refreshing questions about the up coming schedule. The home games are easy , while we have four east coast grass games. Hopefully not many in december . Do you agree ????
Andrews/OG/ Philly
Would he not be a good replacement for Hicks? He has starter experience , maybe willing to back-up , and knows Brad’s system. It gives us veterian coverage and would open the draft possibilities up to all positions and a later pick giving more consideration to DB’s and a playmaker in early rounds.
Karl
The next evolving questions involve the draft . The vikes draft in the #30 spot in all 7 rounds. #30 , #60 , #93 , #128 , #161 and #167-supp. , #199 & #237. The team directly ahead of us in the 1-2-6-7 are the jets , CLE in 3 & 5 , SEA in 4 , and PIT in supp. -5. We have a vested history with all of them ! W e took Winfield on a private plane out of NY and they deliberately jumped ahead of us in two previous drafts. We , being vikings , again stole history’s best left guard Hutch from SEA. And CLE know has the coach that brought GB into power with the developement of , sorry Grime , Mike Holmgren our true nemisis as GB has been a lost sheep without their lil boy blue who just left SEA to run operations in CLE…. In the supplimental round PIT with our former DC Tomlison is one slot ahead of us. The good news is they all hate our thievery so much they will not give up this moment of off the field glory !!! So prepare to take your second choice in all rounds. We do pick two slots ahead of GB in the supp 5th if we need a feel good story after all that dark insight. Remember what I say , aside from HICKS & CHESTER , the team is intact from a deep run into the playoffs last year. At aleast one player at each level of the defence plus a playmaker along with one at all three phases of the offence RUN , PASS , & O-LINE , along with a playmaker will be spielman’s strategy. I still se a vet coming our way , maybe Tarvaris can go to who ever caused Childress to jump up and take him early in a future pick trade or for a back-up. Some of the ex-phillies players if they check out with the doctors could be good fits. ANDREWS & WESTBROOK …. This lame ploy by the NFL to help owners , behind closed doors , to bail on player contracts they used to lure players to teams or back to teams as the union bends over and takes it because they walked into this dark alley wide-eyed , then in 2011 they will come crawling out of that alley ’ rear still semi-attached , crawl back into the shadows of opportunity , with their pockets stuffed full. I’m sure that a lack of integrity taken off their shoulders will give them the strength to these trolls to get back on their feet to get back to their caves until they are called apon again. Iguess the fan is the sun to shine another day and bring hope back to these non-combat warriors !!!!!!!!!$^^^^????++++####### = = = %%%1.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vikings 2010 draft picks (factoring in compensatory picks)
round 1: #30
round 2: #62
round 3: #93
round 4: #128
round 5: #161
round 5: #167 (compensatory pick)
round 6: #199
round 7: #237
by medicineball on Mar 25, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
WOW!!!!&###%^@*************@$$$$$$$$$$$$$((((((((+++++
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I - WILL - TEACH - YOU - HOW - TO - USE - A - PARAGRAPH!!!
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details
Here are some details on the invention of “paragraph.”
by medicineball on Mar 25, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
William Faulkner
was a writer of some distinction in America. He hated to use periods and always had a dream of writing a book with one sentence. He loved commas. I have learned when reading your post Gothic just to think “hey, he writes like Faulkner”. Keep up the thoughts. Most of us can use the literary exercise.
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by lifelongvike on Mar 26, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
My eyes are bad
I’m not that smart and I smell a bit like old cheese. I need all the help I can get.
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Please use less periods
and try to put more thoughts of some kind into a post that run together even though they really do make sense if you read them carefully…I was thinking of the military boat ride when I came into the idea that no famous American authors ever played professional football. Odd. Almost surreal.
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by lifelongvike on Mar 26, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
George Plimpton? Jerry Kramer? Ezekiel Kratzenheimer?
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
How could I have forgotten Plimpton. His description of playing the NFL QB position as a novice was LMAO funny.
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by lifelongvike on Mar 26, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL. This thread should become a novel.
by medicineball on Mar 26, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
10,000 monkeys typing at keyboards creating a masterpiece. Maybe that’s what the internet is for.
by CanadianViking on Mar 26, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
win now
Farve threw his season ending pick on a roll out. If we had a tackle he could block no roll out would have been called. We need to trade for or draft a quality tackle. With Ray Edwards playing great the Vikes were playing as good a defense as they have played since the Keith Millard years, but it wasn’t good enough to stop the Saints in OT. In todays game offense wins. We need to get a tackle.
I hear what you are saying. I would even say that the offensive line is the biggest, or one of the biggest need areas on the entire team.
McKinnie had plantar fasciitis during the game with the Saints. He had taken serious painkillers to be able to play at all. What I found interesting was that the coaches kept McKinnie in despite having Artis Hicks on the sideline. To me, that signals that we need a more effective backup left tackle.
Additionally, we could improve at guard.
McKinnie, Hutchinson, and Herrera are all 30 or older. Our best backup offensive lineman, Artis Hicks, is gone. We need to draft some young talent on the offensive line. Free agency is also a possibility.
by medicineball on Mar 26, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we'll keep our FA's signings tell after the draft
We’ll see what we can pick up in the draft then work out some deals with the money we have from Chester and Hicks. Getting FA’s now is putting the cart in front of the horse since we are so limited this year.
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I believe in Rick Spielman and Brad Childress!
They have had a good run so far in the draft process.
No guessing for me.
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
Hey Grime . First you want a complete sentence and know paragraphs ????
I just got off the boat after a long day of plundering and all you can do is bust my hump !!! Is their anything else I can do for my favorite JESTER???
dO YOU LOVE ME NOW? At least nobody hated my dark opinions today that has to be a positive right? What do you think Karl c ? It can’t be any worse than the papers you grade—- right???? My x in college was my typist and my current wife hasn’t been trained yet to take dictation for me……………….
by gothicpurple on Mar 26, 2010 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You think I'm funny?
What is my job to make you laugh? Am I funny looking?
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Calm down, Pesto :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
WAS THAT A POSITIVE PLUS OR A NOT SO POSITIVE PLUS
Oh well , I’ll take what Ican get thanks med
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