Viking Mock Draft 3.16

I'm not quite as up to date on the draft this year, so a few questions.

Why trade up to get a linebacker in the first round? We could use one, but don’t we have bigger needs (depth on both lines, quality defensive backs) that should be around sooner? Is Witherspoon that good? Are there not lineman or d-backs available that are worth the 19th pick?

It does address all our needs, so that’s good. I also like picking up a quarterback in the later rounds.

Also, Jared Gaither is good, but I’m not a fan of trading first round draft picks. Look at what the Bears have done to their draft this year.

It’s solid though. I wouldn’t complain too much our draft plays out this way.

In AP I trust
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E

by FarvaForTheVikings on Mar 16, 2010 10:44 PM CDT reply actions

I like the Terminator theme in your mock.

I still don’t see Edward’s or Mckinnie going anywhere but I really like that John Connor is in all your drafts. I think a strong run blocking FB is something we’ve missed since Richardson left and I like what I’ve read about John Connor. Plus his nickname just fits a fullback so well!

by CanadianViking on Mar 16, 2010 11:13 PM CDT reply actions

I just saw this rumor on another site

The sitre was viking update … http://mbd.scout.com/

Eagles looking to sign restricted free agent Ray Edwards, sources say that the birds with close ties with minnasota staff alowed deal to get done which makes Philadelphia not having to give up a 1st round pick but a 3rd round pick, Trevor laws, and a condition 6th in 2011 that with performance stats could get up to a 4rth rounder. Deal looking to get done by Friday

Some guy posted it and said he found it on http://www.nfl-trade-rumors.com.

Also Brian Robison does a weekly chat on viking update and in his transcript this week he said that he heard that Edwards has visits with the Eagles and Saints. I did not hear anything about any visits for Ray.

Maybe this rumor is just that or maybe it is somebody in the Vikings front office trying to drive up the price.

I don’t know but I have always felt that something was just not right with this whole situation. I just feel that the Vikings have always signed the guys they wanted and never “tagged” them. So logically I think they want to deal him and get something in return.

In the end I really believe they do not want to have too many high priced guys on the defensive line. It is just economics.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 16, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Well the Eagles don't want Ray

Eagles trade a player and 4th round pick for Tapp. A 25 year old LDE from Seattle. I guess another team will want Ray soon. I know one. The Vikings could trade for Ray. Oh wait. We have Ray. I hope like hell we sign him soon to a long term contract. This trade talk is killing me.

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by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions

These are fan quotes and from what rumored source?

Copy: Mar 15 2010 00:43:40
Eagles looking to sign restricted free agent Ray Edwards, sources say that the birds with close ties with minnasota staff alowed deal to get done which makes Philadelphia not having to give up a 1st round pick but a 3rd round pick, Trevor laws, and a condition 6th in 2011 that with performance stats could get up to a 4rth rounder. Deal looking to get done by Friday.
I would think a substantiated rimor would be hard presssed to float by the major insider-even Shefter.
I love Robinso but I don’t think they are hard pressed to put him into full time action. I actually wonder how BR would do as a run stopping LB. Suggs floats between the 2 spots and a guy like Brian filling the gaps ofr getting an outside rush with minimal pressure could be something cool to see. I don’t think there is more fight in any other player that Brian doesn’t have. His speed is fine for tight LB coverage (not drop back). He often gets overpowered by bigger OT’s cause of his size but I never see him quit. A running start in sone D schemes from the OLB slot would be an interesting experiment. I heard one fan mention this and often wondered why the Vikes never experimented with it

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 17, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Eagles Swap Clemons & 4th Rounder for DE Tapp

Here is the actual trade that the Eagles accomplished. Didn’t include Ray.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010/3/16/1376572/eagles-swap-clemons-4th-rounder

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by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions

Ghee pick?

Do you like Ghee better than Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourtey? Not sure if they’ll be there at # 30 but they seem like better fits. I also read that Ghee might be better suited to safety as he like’s the big hit and is a little loose in coverage.

by CanadianViking on Mar 16, 2010 11:23 PM CDT reply actions

Thanks for the response

I like Ghee because he is just as fast and taller. Plus as you stated he could be the free safety we have been looking for but I like him at CB. I think our coaches will have him up to speed in a year or two. The reason why I chose him over Wilson or McCourty is because I figured they would be gone.

Spoon can play MLB and WLB. He is pretty damn good. And the LB class this year is not too deep. So I chose the LB first and then one of the many corners later. I really am hoping we can get Arenas too. We need more than one CB IMO.

Here is a scouting report on Ghee from thehuddlereport …

STRENGTHS
Brandon is a tall, lanky cornerback with excellent athletic talent to play his position at a very high level. He is a lot stronger than he looks and is a good tackler who likes to come up and support against the run. He is very smart and shows leadership skills through his play on the field. Brandon has good quickness to go along with excellent make-up speed, which makes him a potential shut down corner for the next level. He is able to match up against those tall, strong WR’s that every team in the NFL has to have to score inside the red zone. Brandon has good lateral agility and quickness to cover the smaller wide receivers along with being smart and an excellent zone CB. He could be used as a cover free safety in a nickel-dime package because he is a good tackler and has the speed to cover the field from sideline to sideline as a single safety also. Brandon is a multi-talented defensive back who could play more than one defensive backfield position and can also be a shut down #1 CB for the team that drafts him. I call him Brandon (Multi) Ghee because of his intelligence, football instincts and athletic talent to play more than one back field position.
NEEDS TO IMPROVE
Brandon is a hard hitter and I would like to see him wrap up more to protect himself from injury. He has a slim physique and injuries are a concern and, as we all know, if you are always injured, you cannot be a starter. He must find a way to bulk up without it affecting his speed and quickness.
BOTTOM LINE
As I said, Brandon is a multi-talented DB with leadership skills and the ability to shut down those big strong WR’s in the red zone. He is a smart kid and is showing the leadership this year that makes me feel that he is a #1 CB with shut-down ability to play both man to man coverage and zone coverage. Brandon is a team player who likes to make the big play but, at the same time, waits for that play to come to him. He plays under control and within the concept of the defense. This year, he is making the players around him better and showing his leadership skills. Brandon is the type of player you can build your pass defense around and has the ability to be used like Troy Polamalu for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He has that type of multiple talents if he can stand up to the physical stress of being used in that capacity. If you don’t want to use him that way, you have still drafted a shut down #1 CB. Either way, you can’t lose. Drew Boylhart 11/09

I don’t usually post these because I am not sure if it is kosher or not. But it is a form of advertising for this site if people like this guys’ scouting reports.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 16, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions

I like the scouting reports.

I don’t follow college football closely, so I rely on reading a few draft preview mags and watching Mike Mayock on NFLN too learn about prospects. Usually I put the most stock in what Mayock says and just kinda reinforce it with the scouting reports from the mags. Seems to give me pretty accurate ideas about players so far, but the more perspectives the better.

Assuming no trades, I like going corner in round 1, guard in round 2 as well. After that I like RB, LB, or BPA. I checked out that link you posted to that Edward’s trade rumor. I hope that is just a rumor because that is an awful trade for us. If it’s true there must be an issue with Ray we don’t know about. Maybe another positive drug test or some other off-field issue. His play and age dictate that we should keep him instead of taking anything less than a 1st rounder.

by CanadianViking on Mar 17, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions

You wanna CB?

and that late. It would have to be Wilson. How are you addressing a need for QB of the future?
Favre will be here for one year-that’s it! You are hit and miss with late round QB’s There will be 6 very good QB’s on the board. We will not get one of the top 3 So grabing Pike, Tebow , McCoy of Lefebre is a must. Probobly all gone after round 3. Unless you think Chilly has another T Jaz project slated for next year and we give up 2 of those picks to get a one dimensional guy who wil be a carreer backup.
Round 1 – Pouncey or Wilson
Round 2- Best of the remaining QB’s unless we move up and Spikes goes in the early parts of the 2nd round.
Round 3- Move up and then grab a QB if one of those is left. If we have a QB then Conner or Gerhart

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 17, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions

PS

Trading starters who hav been part of this team for many years in favor of loading the draft board is not a good move going into “the year” where we may have our last shot (being realistic) then we are forced into rebuiding in a lot of areas. We can start that process now with what we have in the draft.
If we get a good young QB early start shopping T-jax at the draft tables and see if we can get a good pick this year, use him to move up or get a better pick the next year. I would love to see the Vikes get MCCoy or Tebow, in that order. If not we shoot for Pike in the 3rd.
If we don’t sign a RB we must take a serious look at Conner and Gerhart. Right now there are wide opinions on when they will go. It will take some balancing of the draft list and a lot of studying by the Vikes. What is this need was taken ahead of us. Do we go with the next best guy at the position if they are close in talent or do we skip that til later and go to the next position on our board? What key players will help us not have to do a complete overhaul in the future? Good teams balance their draft boards and replace areas as they come about. Trading and stocking a boat load of draft picks makes for starting too many inexperienced players at once. Idon’t blame our young starters they did well. Brinkley and Sully are still on a learning curve , as well as, Loadholt. We now look at not having EJ back, Griffin is a big qestion mark. Some saying he won’t be ready til half way through the season. I have had that injury. Pushing it tooo hard and too fast will only shorten his carreer. EJ and Griffin will have the mental aspect of he injury in the back of their head. I don’t care what they say. The pain of the injury and rehab always harbors in your memory. So we draft a big hitting Rooking like Spikes or hope brinkly can have both his bad knees hold up. If EJ is not ready we have no backup. Sapp can cover the corner while Wilson learns. Whatever QB we might take, better be willing to work and learn NFL level technique. Pike and Tebow especially. McCoy is small but has a better release and drop. Aguy like Pouncey is a valuble asset and ust as ready to play as Loadholt. Even if he doesn’t start now he is a fast monster who will learn fast and can back up the rt guard and Center spot. It would not be a shock to se him take over at guard.
Bottom lime is do your homework now. don’t dump players now and stock the draft. Someone is going to have to go and those picks a waste. Aquire picks to move around in the draft as long as you don’t give up vets that are still needed. Don’t count on going to a Super Bowl starting too many 1st and 2nd year starters. Strengthen your position for picks if you get something 3 round or better bu tnot a crap load of 4ths and 5ths or later. If you must build a higher board for next years draft.
Tis will be tough. I kook at the mocks and it is intriguing as the Vikings go. There will be lots of good player but best available may not be an option this year. Depth needs are.

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 17, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions

Shopping Tj will be like shopping a handfull of lice at a cousin It convention

It ain’t happening. I do agree with the rest of what you say though. There is a reason people will give up a good seed for a player. It’s becasue there’s nothing at that level they think is better. So why are we lapping it up unless we have gaping holes we need filled (we don’t) or have a back up that is just as good (questionable) or we can’t afford him (probable)

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by Grime on Mar 17, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions

LOL Love it!

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 17, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions

I am not sure I follow your two posts

I think you are saying if I want a corner I should go Kyle Wilson in the first. I did not follow the “and that late” comment. What does that mean? As for QBOTF there is no one besides Robinson in the players I picked. But you can put whomever you’d like in those spots. I always find it interesting to see what players other people would take in the draft spots I am using in a scenario.

I don’t see any major dumping of players either? Edwards may be on his way out. Maybe not but he is out there for teams to take a run at. That is the front office doing that, not me. McKinnie will be 31 next year and while he is considered above average by some his value will only decline from here on out. Getting back a 24 year old BEAST who is bigger than McKinnie and has played very well the last two years sounds good to me. It does not put a rookie in the position of having to step right in and play.

Most of the rest of the picks will be backups and not starters. For exmpale using the picks in my first mock ..

19. Sean Weatherspoon LB would replace Leman or Erin H. He would not have to start but could an should see some snaps and after next year can take over for Leber if they decide they do not want to pay Leber 4 mil per year.

30. Brandon Ghee CB would replace the already departed Paymah and should see some dime action and could take over for Winfield eventually. By the time he did he will have had plenty of time to learnt the defense and get use to the NFL.

62. John Jerry would replace the already departed Hicks and should backup his first year unless he shows he is really good.

72. Lamaar Houston DT would replace Edwards and can back up Robison and KWill. He is a DT but played DE at Texas. He definitely could do it here vs the run if necessary. But he does not have to start and next year he can back up Kennedy when PWill retires or if they do not extend Evans. I would say that he would be better than Evans based on his college resume which is all we have to go by.

93. Kam Chancellor FS 6-3 231 4.62 would replace Frampton who is a RFA or Abdullah. IMO he is easily an upgrade over either of them. Never forget that they could not get off the bench to play when Tyrell went out. We sent in Sanford a rookie. SO how good are they really?

125. Daniel Te’o-Nesheim DE 6-3 263 could have a hard time making the team and would have to beat out Mitchell or Evans whose contract is not guaranteed or if the Vikings keep 10 defensive linemen which is doubtful. Maybe this is where I need a QB?

157. Andrew Quarless TE is another pass catching TE to bak up Shiancoe and could make the team depending on what they want to do with Kleinsasser or if they only go with 5 WRs.

comp. Danario Alexander WR would have to beat out Jaymar or Reynauld. I think he is worth a flyer because of the other two are entering their fourth year and have not done much.

168. Zac Robinson QB would take the place of Sage or TJack or Favre.

189. Walter Thurmond CB 5-11 189 could make the team first as a replacement for Griffin if he starts the year on the PUP list or he could make the team if they carry 6 CBs and only 4 safeties meaning both Abdullah and Frampton would be gone which is alrigth by me.

221. John Connor FB would take the place of Tahi who the Bengals are still trying to get.

I am not sure how replacing backups who cannot even come in to play when the starter at the postion they backup goes out is a bad thing.

We so far have lost Hicks, Taylor, & Paymah and we can possibly lose Edwards & Tahi.
That is 5 spots right there. The rest of the spots would be potential upgrades over our current marginal depth players like Leman, Abdullah, Frampton, Jaymar, & Reynauld. You have to remember that all but Leman will be UFAs next year and none could get any meaningful snaps when needed this year. That is why we brough in Sanford & Lewis when we had to. And next year either we resign them and have to pay them more or let them go. It is the nature of the salary cap that these guys have to be let go.

I do not see this year’s draft picks starting much if at all no matter what round they are drafted whether or not it is my scenario above or just a straight up draft with no trades and keeping everybody including Edwards & Tahi.

I am not sure why you assumed that the draft picks would start? This is just an early restocking of the shelves if you will with better & cheaper replacements.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 17, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions

I think people are most worried about you tossing McKinney

and losing most of the draft picks for next year. (well teh top two) Question is what is going to happen next year? Are we going to get another CBA? Will there be a large draft class? If they don’t redo the CBA then I can see next years class being very meager as a lot of underclassmen came out this year hoping for a paycheck. And many underclassmen next year may not want to come out when they could not getting paid at all.
So with that in mind trading next years draft picks for spots in this years isn’t that bad of a deal trading next years #1 for Gaither would be awesome.

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by Grime on Mar 17, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Next years is all about free agency

The free agent class next year will include all of these guys with the RFAs this year. That is what is behind my madness. We can go all out next year in free agency if necessary.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 17, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Not a giant free agent fan

but i get where your coming from.

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by Grime on Mar 17, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Unless of course

A new labor contract is entered into that re establishes the cap and lowers rookie wages. Then you don’t want to have to go out and enter that free agency market. I really think the Vikings go slow and be neutral approach makes some sense.

Maddening as a fan but it does make sense.

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by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Exactly "if you will be better"

I don’t critisize and do think everyones outlook is valid. Just like someone may question my opinions, it doesn’t make me right. That is the greatness of our fiendships here. I appreciate your knowledge of the draft board, but as you can see there are many options to look at. Who can read what Spillman is thinking? I don’t expect him to say. Restocking is great. I just don’t want it with a lot of 5th-7th rounders
Yes, I think Wilson is a stud. He reminds me a lot of a young Sharper. There is going to be a yo-yo effect on the Vikings draft board as 28 teams pick ahead. it will constantly change during the 3 days. maybe good we are going to a 3 day draft. Better time to evaluate.
My point is I don’t think this is the year to be taking a lot of picks especially after the 4th round. High picks would be great. Keeping a load of rookies on aroster that is groomed and ready to compete will break chemistry. Too many picks and someoone has to go. One of the picks (which is then a waste) or a guy who has the experience at the expense of a rookie that may make too many mistakes.
I love draft picks, especially when rebuilding. We have some holes and depth needs to fill and I think we can do that. I honestly think adding picks over the following 2 years will be vital. That is often where you can get a higher value pick. Teams tighten up a month before the draft.
Lose Edwards- you look at Robinson then. I trust him there to do the job or if Pierre Paul would fall to us cooler yet.
Conner or Gerhart to replace Tahi. Rookies but not a role you have to give the ball to them much so they pick the run schemes up later. Picking up a block is something a rookie can learn from what they know and adjusting to the speed of the game Both are good blockers. So with Young and a good young stud I don’t mind a rookie there.
I don’t think Edwards is going anywhere unless we get good compensation (at least a #2) He will sign a one year and hope his stock boosts when the new bargaining agreement comes about.
Zac as a QB pick could be a steal but are you going to go with a QB to replace Favre over a McCoy or Tebow? Then again, ya never know. We have seen stranger things happen with late round QB’s in the NFL. Tough call there but a great back up plan.
This will truly be an interesting draft for the vikings.
How bout the guy with the Russian name out of U Mass. Sorry forgot his name. Heard he could be a monster of a run and pass blocking guard.
One thing is sure. We will have fun blogging that night.
Anyone hear of any other FA’s coming to visit?

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 17, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions

Tahi rplacement qote

sorry. meant to say you don’t have to require them carrying the ball too much while breaking them in.
This is an interesting discussion. One of the best in awhile.
I appreciate all your guys ideas. Sure makes us wonder.

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 17, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Who is Connor?

by MarkSP18 on Mar 17, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions

I like some of the picks

But I disagree with the notion that if we trade up to draft someone at 19 that he won’t have to start right away. Youre talking about trading a starter, we would need to pick up a starter in return.

I also think Ghee at 30 is a reach.

Lastly, I don’t like Robinson at all. If we go QB prospect, I like McCoy, LeFevour and Sheehan. I just wanted to see if MB is paying attention!

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-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Mar 17, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Why would they have to start?

The two starters I am trading in this scenario are being replaced by Gaither at tackle and we already have a replacement for Ray in BRob.

So anyone we draft does not have to start. I did not say they wouldn’t start. If they are talented enough I am sure they will get some snaps. That is the beauty of the situation the Vikings are in this year. They do not need any starters. They need players to groom to be starters after next year. Like Weatherspoon who could take over for Leber whose contract will expire. They may resign Leber but he may be a backup.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 18, 2010 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions

I would urge you to ask any NFL personnel person

They are looking for starters with their first two picks. Keep in mind the first two rounds should contain the top 64 players in the world at the college level.

Every team in the NFL stands to upgrade at least 2 postitions per year.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Mar 18, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions

Nice

I like the gerhart option the best with the terminator spoon would bee nice but I’d like to get a corner or safety at that pick a trade with Tampa would be great we already gave them Hovan who couldn’t do shit there so maybe they would bite on Ray Ray and we could get berry – any possibilty of this??

by Tswing on Mar 16, 2010 11:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions

Trading up to #3 would be cost prohibitive IMO

It would probably take Ray, our 1st this year, our first next year, our 2nd next year, our 3rd this year

or

Ray, MadWill, Berrian,our first next year, and our first this year.

It would be too much.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 16, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Good point

What about decker instead of Alexander

by Tswing on Mar 17, 2010 12:05 AM CDT via mobile reply actions

Not that late. We would have to get him around round 3 or 4 at the latest.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 17, 2010 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions

Vikings to get Tampas #3

Vikes use the #30 pick to get RFA, Brandon Marshall from Denver.
Trade Edwards, Berriman, and Marshall to Tampa
Vikes get a QBOF with the #3 pick.

Tampa is in dire need of a total WR corp change. This gives them a possession receiver, a speed receiver, and a needed addition to their D-Line.

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by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 8:01 AM CDT reply actions

I like it :)

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Mar 17, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions

Wow. Cue the evil cackle and thunder!

That’s a lot of salary for Tampa, though. And I don’t think they’re in great shape fiscally.

by jianfu on Mar 17, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions

Isn't Suh or McCoy a lot of salary? Like 30 Million. But people think thats OK?

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by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions

Yeah, but Berrian’s not cheap, and Marshall will presumably sign a nice extension with whatever team he eventually lands with. And even Edwards’s serf days are coming to a close. Whether all that adds to more money, I don’t know. You also have to factor in paying known commodities versus unproven rookie, etc.

I actually think they’d trade down if they can. But I suspect they’d prefer lower and/or future picks.

That trade idea is interesting, though. Although I’m not sure I’d be that comfortable making that sort of push for Bradford or Clausen. I think of the two I prefer bradford, but he’s hardly a safe bet.

by jianfu on Mar 17, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions

Viking fans are hard to please.

A chance to draft a high round QB that the experts rate as a top ten pick.
A chance to move players others say are hurt, overpaid, unhappy, and malcontents.
I was only trying to play MarkSP18’s game. I’m probably not very good at it. I just don’t want to end up in 2011 with no top draft picks.

Let me try to say this one last time however. There are no perfect QBs. Matt Ryan had issues. Mark Sanchez had issues. Stafford had issues. Detroit passed on Rothlisberger. There are no perfect QBs.
But some da we can bite the bullet and draft and pay a top rated QB to be the future.
We have done it twice. Tommy Kramer and Culpepper. It worked both times.

We could have drafted Flacco if we had not traded the pick for Jared Allen. The draft is about choices. They all won’t be correct. But drafting a top rated QB works. That is why St.Louis will probably drat Bradford. I will gladly take Clausen.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions

Ok going to have to nail you on Kramer

Yeah we got him but I’m not sure it ‘worked’

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by Grime on Mar 17, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions

Ouch. I use his picture on my posts. Ouch.

He was one of the all time great drinkers of his era. Superbowl caliber. Sometimes he never gets the credit of playing through the pain of a severe hangover. As he said. Just throw up on Tark in the morning and the world looks like a better place.
He played 13 years for the Vikings. It was the start of the passing league era. I’m not sure the Vikes changed during his time from the running team they always were. I think he could have been utilized better. But it might have just been him. Not trying to make excuses for him but wouldn’t you love to have a 13 year quarterback today?

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by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions

I just remember watching him lose

And then throw some freaky ass balls that worked. Rooting for Kramer was painful, just when you wanted to kill him he’d pull something out and keep you going for a bit longer then he woudl flop…

Oh yeah and he drank enough to make Collins look like a Quaker. You did have to respect that…

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by Grime on Mar 17, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions

Berrian is actually only three million for the next two years

after that they can cut him like I’m pretty sure Minnesota will do.

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by Grime on Mar 17, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Sorry I don't get it

All that to get a project QB. Sounds like Tampa walks away with the better part of the deal and all we get is a project.
With all due repect that is crazy. With Favre coming back i would keep Marshall. 3 players for a 3rd round pick. after giving up a #1??? You should be able to get a lot more than that for 3 proven starters.
I would keep Marshall and trade Barrian for his rights and see how he fits with the Vikings

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 17, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Unfortunately you and I differ on the Vikings need or Clausen's rating.

If you believe Clausen or whichever quarterback is available at #3 in the draft is a project and not a “franchise” QB then this deal would never happen. But to trade a #30 pick, a starter but replaceable WR, and a starter DE for a Franchise QB is a fair deal. I see Ray as a low 1st round draft choice equality, Marshall as a mid 1st round choice equality, and Berriman as a second round draft choice equality (maybe higher). Two or three first round picks for a #3 doesn’t seem all that out of line to me.

But hey I’m just trying to have fun trading players and solving our future QB problem without breaking the bank.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions

That is a good trade and we keep all of the rest of our picks besides the first

But jianfu has a point about the guaranteed money.

BMArsh will want at least 50 mil with probably half guaranteed and Edwards will want about 30 mil with half guaranteed. They will probably be paying a little more in guaranteed money for the three players than the draft pick. But they would be gettin gthrre proven commodities as opposed to one unknown with a 60% chance at success.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 17, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions

But together they equal what the #3 pick gets guaranteed.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions

I said this earlier about Clausen...

Kinda reminds me a little of Jay Cutler. Both had good stats, both have good physical skills. Neither was successful at the college level in terms of wins and loses. Losing is a bad habit and hard to break…

He was 16-18 as a starter at Notre Dame. That’s the most important stat to me.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Mar 17, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions

Only problem I have

is the QB Zac Robinson. We are in pretty dire straits right now for QB. Ever since the Leprechaun put a third round tender on TJ. We don’t have anyone after Favre leaves. I’m not sure Zac is a good enough QB to pick it up for us with only minimal time in the eaves.

Trading McKinnie, is another move I don’t like much, if we bring Gaither on I would keep him a year behind McKinnie as he learns zone blocking. Then next year trade McKinnie. Lastly I know you think this years draft is the best in a long time (and it very well could be) but having no first or second round pick next year is pretty brutal, especially when we’re just moving up with one of them in this years draft to pick up Weatherspoon, who while is a terrific player, I don’t really see us having a need for.

I did like the thought process though. Oh and I wouldn’t do any trades on future picks without knowing Favre was coming back because that will affect the values of those pick by quite a bit.

and I agree with you I don’t think we’ll get John Jerry at #62.

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by Grime on Mar 17, 2010 8:38 AM CDT reply actions

I think TJack’s safe. Brady Quinn just got moved for a juggs machine, Kevin Kolb/Donovan McNabb might be available, and several guys (Josh Johnson, Tyler Thigpen, Pat White) might be available for less-than-3rd-round pick.

Or I could be completely off.

by jianfu on Mar 17, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Your right. T-Jack looks safe.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions

Of course, we just saw Charlie Whitehurst—a 28 year old former 3rd round pick who has yet to throw a single NFL pass—get traded for a future 3rd round pick on top of moving up 20 spots in the second round this year (and get a 2 year, $10 million deal), so what do I know?

Granted, this new Seahawks front office has made some, um, curious decisions thus far and might be a bit behind the curve, but it just goes to show you’ll look foolish if you try to predict this game.

by jianfu on Mar 18, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions

you said juggs...hehehehe

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Mar 17, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions

hehehehehe!

by jianfu on Mar 18, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Here is a scouting report on ZRob from thehuddlereport.com

STRENGTHS
Zac has great size and athletic ability to play his position. He has a strong arm and throws the ball with nice velocity. He has good mechanics — he can move in the pocket and does a good job throwing the ball on the move when breaking containment. He looks to be a solid teammate and can manage a game plan. Zac has had a lot of success at the college level, but this year got his first taste of the true adversity and public pressure a QB can go through from one year to the next. This should serve him well at the next level.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE
This year, Zac has been inconsistent. He leaves the pocket too soon and tries to make every play a big play. He is staring down his receivers, holding onto the ball too long and waiting on his receivers to make their breaks before throwing the ball. Zac seems to have lost the confidence that he has shown in his play during previous years. He has felt the pressure of fan expectations after a very good year last year. After this season, Zac’s leadership skills, in my opinion, are in question because of his inability to deal with adversity. I think in the long run, all of this will become a positive instead of the negative it is right now.

BOTTOM LINE
The LTI scores that I use for the quarterback position are different from the rest of the positions in the draft. A 1st round Talent Board Rating (TBR) grade for a QB does not mean he is a franchise quarterback — it just means that I feel the QB has the potential to be a starting quarterback in the league within three years. If I think a player has franchise potential, I will identify that in the profile and if I think a player should be drafted in the first round, I’ll also note that in the profile. Zac has the potential to be a starting QB at the NFL level and I think a very good starting QB. I think he could be as good as Tony Romo (QB Cowboys). I think that if you need a QB who has the talent to start in the NFL and be very successful after development, you should draft Zac somewhere in the first three rounds. Give Zac a few years and he should be able to start for your team and be a very good QB. Remember, TBR does not mean the player will be drafted in the first round. It just means that whenever this player is drafted, he should be a pretty good player who can start for you team and help to make your team successful within one to three years. TBR is meant to identify a player’s talent to be successful at the next level only. Rob’s value board will project the round in which he will probably be drafted. You can’t beat the two board system; it gives you both sides of the draft — talent and value. Drew Boylhart 3/10

This guy likes ZRob and ZRob did have a good Senior Bowl if I recall correctly. I think he may be worth a shot in round 5. Maybe he doesn’t pan out but you have to start somewhere.

If you really really want the truth and want to know how crazy I am then I would take Tim Tebow at #19 in my mock without any reservations!

by MarkSP18 on Mar 17, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Ok your nuts

Thanks for the info on Zac didn’t hear much about him at all before this. But with that kind of upside how do you see us picking him up so late?

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by Grime on Mar 17, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions

plus one

as stated before. If you are going to get a potential QB of the future wouldn’t you gamble on a MCCoy or even Tebow? I like Pike but wonder if he can take an NFL beating?

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 17, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions

You guys just dont get it

Take the picks in this scenario and plug in the players you would choose.

This is the real point of my post.

I want to pick the brains of Vikings fans to see who they like and in what round they like them and how they would address the needs.

We certainly are not doin anything else so why not pick you players in this scenario?

We would be able to discuss which players we will fit and in which round we think they would be available.

I certainly do not know more than anyone else. I just know the players I like.

Man up and show me your mocks!

by MarkSP18 on Mar 17, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions

Montario Hardesty

I’ve been checking out running backs the last couple of days for a possible Chester replacement to be found in the draft. I figure Spiller, Best, and Matthews are 1st round or high 2nd round picks are too high for us too target. Anyway, I noticed you had Gerhart as our second pick in one mock. I’m thinking Hardesty would be a better match to our team. Just curious when you think he’ll be drafted. I’m thinking he’ll go early third so maybe we could trade down or up to get him. Check out his highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJJiHPqy8xE

by CanadianViking on Mar 17, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions

I like Hardesty and Ben Tate from Auburn in the 4th round range.

They might both be gone by then because their stock is starting to rise.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Mar 18, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions

About now every one starts to rise

then right before the draft a bunch will fall big time. Everyone hypes everyone up hoping another team will make a mistake. That’s the only reason I see why they do the retarded things they do. As always though even though they may say 100 people will be taken in the first round I’m pretty sure only 32 will actually be taken…

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Mar 18, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions

True but Ben Tate ran a low 4.4 forty at 230lbs

That got a lot of attention at the combine

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Mar 18, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Pike concerns me

Youre right to worry if his frail frame could handle the beating. Also for as tall as he is, he has absolutely no zip on his passes.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Mar 18, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions

Who replaces McKinnie

I agree, trade him, but are any of the four great tackles going to still be there at #19?

by JoeKap on Mar 17, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions

Gaither might not be a great fit

but he would be a good one. Have to give up a first for him though and we wouldn’t see a lot of upside in the coming year. McKinney might be a fat lazy SOB but he’s still a pretty damn talented left tackle.

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by Grime on Mar 17, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Gaither started the last two year for a playoff team in Baltimore.

He is 24 and just as big as McKinnie and by all accounts an excellent pass blocker.

What is wrong with him? Every site I look at say he is a highly rated RFA that people cannot believe a team hasn’t gone after. I expect it will happen and when it does and it is for less than we think (remember Cromartie for a 2011 3rd or possibly 2nd), people will be saying why we didn’t go for it.

McKinnie next year will get less than this year if anything at all. I don’t understand what people are thinking. If you look at it objectively and imagine you are the Buffalo Bills for a minute, what would you give up for McKinnie if anything?

The whole idea behind giving up next year’s picks is that this whole RFA class this year will be UFAs next year. We will be able to shop to our hearts content next year for what we really need.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 17, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh I agree with you about Gaither

The only thing is that he plays on a power style O line not zone so he may have some hiccups working through that. Wishfully I would pick up Gaither for next years conditional first and then keep McKinney to trade away next year.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Mar 17, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah but we throw the ball a lot and McKinnie is Peppers Beeyatch!

This guy can learn on the job how to zone block. All he has to really do is get in the way as big as he is just like McKinnie does now.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 17, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions

Well I woudl prefer he didn't stop and gasp for breath after the first four seconds of a play.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Mar 17, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions

The problem with Gaither is this

1) Gaither was only valued as a first round tender by Baltimore. This has Gaither upset or mad. They apparently can’t sign him to a long term deal because he wants to much money or is unhappy in Baltimore.
2) Gaither will be unhappy in Baltimore so he wants to move elsewhere. Since his contract is up next year he is not really useful to Baltimore so they are willing to trade him for a 2nd and 4th or maybe a 3rd and 4th. ( Same as our Edwards)
3) The Vikings are only wanting Gaither for a third and 5th so they can use that to beat down the contract of Ray Edwards to a mere 3 Million per year.
4) Because our intentions are not honorable we can’t get Gaither.

At some point Mark you can’t have it both ways. Either the RFAs are unhappy and are not worth the pick value or they are fairly valued. But don’t reverse yourself just because you value Gaither and don’t value Edwards.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions

Ok it sounded like you said the Vikes are actually interested in Gaither

Is this hyperbole (you trying to make a point) or did you actually hear this somewhere?

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Mar 17, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions

I simply used Marks continual logic about Edwards to show how

ridiculous it was by applying it to Gaither. None of the owners are giving up draft picks and spending money in a year before the labor contract is renegotiated. That will spell doom to all of the owners arguments.

Not to many RFAs will be picked up. And how they are tendered is not a reflection on how they like the team or their desire to stay with a team, or their final value to a team.
RFAs are rarely traded and the only one anyone ever talks about is Wes Welker. And in that trade the Pats increased the draft picks given for Welker. They didn’t get him for less than he was tendered.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Mar 17, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions

You lost me with your circular logic

I do not recall ever mentioning anything about Gaither’s feelings regarding his tender. I only said that he is a LT and they now have Oher to play LT.

I never mentioned that Baltimore would be willing to trade Gaither for a 2nd and 4th or 3rd and 4th. In fact I said we should give them next year’s first for him because that is how valuable I think he is. Maybe I am overvaluing him?

Then you say the Vikings only want him for a 3rd and 5th so they can beat down the contract of Edwards to 3 mil and because of that our intentions are not honorable so we cannot get Gaither. What?

Where did that come from? Did you infer that from my mock draft scenarios where I want the Vikings to get something for Ray and also to pick up Gaither?

Where am I having it both ways? Who said I did not value Edwards? I just did not think we would get a first for him. I think he is worth a 2nd round pick and by adding next year’s 2nd we can get to #19. The only reason I did that is because Atlanta does not have a 2nd round pick to trade for Edwards and they need a DE. Maybe we get their 3rd this year and 2nd next year for Ray and keep their 19?

What does that have to do with the acquisition of Gaither? I think that is fair value for Gaither by offering next year’s first. It may be too high. I have know way of knowing his feelings about being tendered because I do not follow Baltimore.

No one knows if the owners are going to go after RFAs because we still have a good month to go. As of yet there has not been much action but I would imagine there will be some movement.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 17, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Gaither = Edwards

Gaither- 1st round tender OT
Gaither is a 24 year old tackle w’Baltimore that has shown remarkable progress in his three year career. Only allowed 4 sacks last year.

Edwards- 1st round tender DE
Edwards is a 25 year old DE w/Vikings that has shown remarkable progress in his 4 year career. Had 8.5 sacks last year.

The DE position pays more than the OT position because pas rushing DEs that get to the QB are a much rarer find in the NFL.

Both Baltimore and the Vikings believe that their players are worth a 1st round tender. You believe , with no supporting evidence that the Vikings want to trade Edwards. You said

It is curious though that if they really do not want to trade him that they would only put the 1st round tender on him.

Obviously you must feel that Baltimore has the same intention to trade Gaithers since they put a 1st round tender on him.

Yet you say this about trading Edwards.

I think that if they really want to move him they will have to come down off of the 1st round compensation and settle for a 2nd or a 3rd and 5th. Even a 3rd & 5th is still pretty decent IMO.

I simply applied the same logic to Gaithers. Since Baltimore wants to trade him then they should take a 3rd and 5th.

You have no facts to indicate that the Vikings want to lose Edwards or that Baltimore wants to lose Gaithers.
You have no facts to indicate that either team would settle for anything less than this years 1st round draft choice for either player.
You have no historical facts to back up this idea that teams actually do trade RFAs for less than the tendered amount.

I simply was pointing out that if your logic applies to Edwards it should be equally applied to all other RFAs such as Gaither. The fact that Edward’s DE position is valued higher than Gaither’s OT position also shows how unrealistic it would be for the Vikings to trade Ray for a 3rd and 5th and pay next years first for Gaither.

Mark you are a very smart guy that has a lot of knowledge concerning players. I admire that. But your continual obsession that Ray is being traded has worn thin with me. I just wanted to point out the flawed logic to the other posters on this site.
Hey ,if and when Edwards is traded for less than a 1st round player I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Mar 18, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions

This is not about being wrong or right. This is just my opinion.

Why does what I think will happen have to conform to what you think?

This is curious to me. I can read a post from someone else and post what I believe and that is it. I do not get upset or have things “wear thin” on me.

I think Edwards is getting moved. So what? It is what I think will happen. And I will continue to think that until the draft is over. What is wrong with that?

I think they should trade McKinnie and I will feel that way until he leaves the team. I am just hoping to get something for him now. So what. Again, it is what I think should happen.

I did not feel I was posting something that was too far fetched. I think that Ray has made a couple of visits according to Robison. He said it in his chat yesterday on vikingupdate.com. Maybe it is not true but if he said it then I am inclined to believe it.

When the team lets a player be available even as a RFA then that makes it a very real possibility of him getting moved. Maybe he doesn’t get moved. But in my mocks I am working off of this scenario. What is wrong with that and why does it bother you?

All things being equal then what you stated should apply to all RFAs and all teams. But teams do not do things the same way and all players do not feel the same way.

My thoughts with Edwards are you get what you can for someone you do not want and will lose the next year. So if it is below market value then it is below market value (although I do not think that it is considering what Boldin and Cromartie were traded for). I would rather get a 3rd and a 5th this year than nothing next year for Edwards. This does not mean I am wrong. If they get more that would be great. If they keep him and pay him that would be great. If they keep him and then he goes to another team next year that would not be great. This is all MY OPINION.

My thoughts with Gaither is you go get a player you want and pay what it takes to make it happen. Gaither is a good young up and coming LT. I would give up the first next year to get him. Maybe they can do it for less? That would be great. As long as they get him is all that matters to me.

I dont know about the historical evidence in regards to RFAs but we have never had an uncapped year like this where all of these players that would have been UFAs are now RFAs. You are applying history to a year that is not normal. It is all you have to go by which makes sense but it does not mean it will be true. And if no players get signed then I will be the first to admit that I was wrong. But why? This is not about wrong or right. This is just posting about draft scenarios.

Apparently you want everything to work the way you see it even in my scenario. If you have your own scenario then post one. This is my scenario and I put the things down that I thought we could do.

There is a reason I am not the GM and it is described above.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 18, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions

Thanks- That is a fair rendition of our opinions

I don’t take what you opine personally. I do take objection to your statements that Ray will be traded, the Vikes want him gone, the Vikes won’t pay what he’s worth, ect when those are not based on any known facts. If Ray had said he wanted to be traded or the Vikes had indicated he was to expensive then it would be different. Why do I object? Because it paints the entire Viking organization in a bad light. As a fan of that organization I can take objection to that. If, however, they do something wrong I certainly will be the first to point that out. But to accuse without any fact basis just doesn’t seem right to me.
But, its a blog. Equal rights to equal views.
Believe it or not, except for your trades I like your mocks. They are well thought out.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Mar 18, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions

Fair enough

I appreciate the compliment on my mocks. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on Edwards. I personally think that the Vikings have painted their own picture in regards to Ray by not giving him a new deal before his contract expired.

I will ask again. Is that what we are going to do with Rice & Greenway? We have EJ a new deal during his 4th year in the month of December. We did not wait until his contract expired. We locked him up and he never had to hit any form of free agency.

Why does Ray have to go through this? I do not have any facts as to his contract demands, their intentions to trade him or want him gone. All I know is that they have exposed him to other teams for the taking.

I am not painting this picture of the Vikings. They are doing it themselves. Is there something wrong with my take on this? Am I seeing it the wrong way?

I think it is wrong to let a player you want hit free agency in any way thereby exposing him to other teams for the taking. And the Vikings did this painting. I did not. I am only reflecting on it.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 18, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions

OK. I understand your view

But that makes Baltimore wrong for not locking Gaither up. And every other team that didn’t lock up their RFA players. The problem is that you want the Vikes to do it differently than everyone else. But the reason behind it is either that the player wouldn’t sign yet or that every team is trying to get through tis minefield of RFAs for the first time ever.

You don’t like the Vike front office for what they did fine. But that doesn’t mean they could have accomplished what you wanted done and it doesn’t mean they don’t want Ray. But I’m willing to agree to disagree.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Mar 18, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions

This is exactly right

I don’t care what other teams do. I don’t want the Vikings to do this to any player.

I think the problem was/is Edwards wants too much money for the Vikings taste.

I have no facts to back that up but if it is not that then I don’t know why they would not sign him to a new deal before free agency began.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 18, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions

You know what I want to see in one of your crazy mocks?

I want to see the Vikings wise up and use their 3rd round pick to sign RFA Kirk Morrison.

by Frost on Mar 17, 2010 7:59 PM CDT reply actions

I like Morrison too but I don't see it happening

I could be wrong but the Vikings are kind of stubborn about their draft picks IMO. I think they like Brinkley and will give EJ every opportunity to come back from his injury. That is two MLBs. If Morrison is a WLB then that would be interesting but with Leber there I do not see it happening. Plus you have to consider that Morrison wants to start and he wants starter money most of all.

Unless they do not think Brinkley can do the job I do not see them going after Morrison.

How good is Morrison in coverage? I know he can tackle.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 18, 2010 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions