The Blindingly Obvious "Favre vs. McNabb" Discussion Post
by Christopher Gates on Mar 26, 2010 8:19 PM CDT
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PrintAs I reported earlier today, the rumors are swirling that the Philadelphia Eagles are trying for the 43rd consecutive season. . .yes, forty-third (unless it just seems like that many). . .to trade their superstar quarterback, Donovan McNabb. Depending on who you listen to, the price for McNabb's services is either a second or a third-round selection in the upcoming NFL Draft. The Eagles are posturing for a pick in the "top 42," but their position is a little bit weaker than that, as it seems that McNabb only has one year left on his contract.
(Top 42, huh? Man, maybe Andy Reid does know the answer to life, the universe, and everything.)
Now, the Vikings had their quarterback drama well in place prior to the off-season starting, as approximately five minutes after the Vikings' NFC Championship loss at New Orleans, somebody from Fox or ESPN or somewhere asked, "Hey. . .is Brett Favre coming back?" And the answer to that, as I've already mentioned, is that even though we don't know, we "know." Favre's coming back, duh.
Unless. . .
Things may have just gotten a lot more interesting in Minnesota.
Yes, we don't know if a potential McNabb trade to Minnesota is imminent, or even likely at this point in time. One would think that these teams would have a long way to go in negotiations of a deal of such magnitude. After all, a team doesn't just get rid of a quarterback that's gone to six Pro Bowls and led his team to five NFC Championship Games and a Super Bowl.
Well, except for. . .nah, too easy.
But in all honesty, this is a heck of a situation for the Vikings to find themselves in, and not in an imaginary schism-creating sort of way or anything like that. Brett Favre was obviously one of the three best quarterbacks in the National Football League last season, and played stellar football from start to finish in 2009. He developed a real chemistry with his receiving corps, and Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin blossomed with him under center. In 18 games in 2009, Favre turned the ball over 10 times, despite the numerous predictions (largely from the bitter, bitter fans of other NFC North teams) that he would have more interceptions than touchdowns and just generally be a flop for the Beloved Purple.
Favre does, however, turn 41 in 2010, and as optimistic a Viking fan as I am, the odds of him repeating last season's mind-bending numbers would seem to be sort of slim. I certainly think he's capable of such a thing, but the likelihood of it might be a bit on the low side. Of course, Favre spent last year proving all sorts of fools wrong, and if adding my name to that list means we get a repeat of 2009, then I'm willing to make that sacrifice.
On the other hand, Donovan McNabb would be a nifty consolation prize. His quarterback rating last year was 92.9. . .not Favre-level or anything, but still pretty darn good. McNabb also threw 22 touchdown passes to 10 interceptions in 14 games last season, and over the course of his career has averaged one interception every 47.5 passes. That's a pretty outstanding ratio. He's also 7 years Favre's junior. (He'll turn 34 during the season. . .holy crap, Donovan McNabb is two months younger than I am? Man, I shouldn't have even bothered looking that up. This could alleviate the potential problem of having to immediately grab a "quarterback of the future" in the upcoming draft. Not to say that we should ignore the position entirely, mind you, but it's possible that someone could be taken slightly later than we might have to grab a QB in our current situation.
However, for all of McNabb's talent, he's had a bit of a problem with staying on the football field. Not counting his rookie season (when he didn't begin the year as the Eagles' starter), McNabb has only played 16 games four times in the past eleven seasons, twice in the last nine, and once in the last six. And an injury to McNabb after a significant investment in him could prove to be a major catastrophe for the Vikings. Granted, he would be surrounded by a ton of offensive talent in Minnesota, but McNabb's ability to scramble and avoid pressure, while still good, isn't quite what it once was. And in the National Football League, all it takes is one solid shot and you could be out for a significant period of time.
Then there's the matter of McNabb's contract. He's almost certainly going to want an extension, and if the Vikings are playing the waiting game with Favre, that's a whole lot of money to have tied up in the quarterback position with #4 scheduled to make $13 million and Sage Rosenfels set to make $3 million or so. And Favre, according to Pro Football Talk, has said that a potential McNabb trade isn't going to get him to make up his mind any faster. (Even though we all know that he's totally coming back.)
Personally, here's my potential solution to this whole thing.
If the Eagles trade McNabb to a team that's not very good. . .say Cleveland or St. Louis or (lord help him) Oakland. The odds of him signing an extension with any of those teams is pretty limited, in my opinion. Like I said, McNabb is getting older, and he's in "win now" mode, not "let's rebuild a franchise" mode. Brett Favre, on the other hand, has one year left on his contract with the Vikings, and the odds of him being a Viking after 2010 are significantly lower than they are of him being a Viking this season.
So the Vikings could, conceivably, play this year with Favre at quarterback, let McNabb play out his contract in Philadelphia (or wherever else), and then pursue McNabb in free agency after the 2010 season.
If I'm the Vikings, and I can get some sort of indication out of Brett Favre as to what he wants to do in the relatively short-term future, I think that's the route I take.
What do you guys think? Do we give Favre all the time he needs to make a decision about coming back, or do we pull the trigger on a potential Donovan McNabb deal and move forward?
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Give Favre time
He’s earned the right. McNabb is not in Favre’s class. If McNabb just stands pat, the Vikings can sign him as a free agent in 2011, unless the franchise tag is used on him.
If McNabb is traded—to the Raiders, for example—and then Favre retires, we still can go with the guys we have, plus the quarterback we get in the draft.
Franchise tag in 2011, if McNabb is still in Philly.
They would.
One power slam from Brock and Mir might be dead. He better watch his words. He'll be eating them soon.
You think they would pay the average of the top 5 QB contracts to keep McNabb for one year in Philly? That would be about $20+ million dollars for one year, while still having to sign Kolb or Vick to a long term contract that same year as all 3 QBs will be UFA after this year. Just don’t see it. Count me in to the Gonzo plan of doing nothing and waiting to see how it plays out.
Since McNabb won't backup Favre if he comes back, count me into"The Gonzo Plan"
With the talent that the Vikings have, I would think McNabb isn’t the only top 15 qb that wouldn’t mind playing for the Vikings in 2011.
Yeah I guess your right.
It just seems like getting McNabb after Fave would be too good to be true. The Gonzo plan does seem like the way to go.
One mock draft had Clausen falling to Minny. That would be awesome, but he won’t fall that far. Vikes need a DB in the first round anyway.
One power slam from Brock and Mir might be dead. He better watch his words. He'll be eating them soon.
If he gets traded it won't matter
the team who takes him could use the franchise just to keep him from leaving, and thus keep them from having wasted a draft pick. It’s a risky suggestion, waiting for him to hit FA. Personally, I think he’s going to be traded, and then the money is going to talk him into signing an extension with whatever crap team picks him up.
Give Favre time?
Really? Like he didn’t get enough time the last two offseasons? He’s a Diva and needs to grow up
eff you we winning anyway
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hey turd for brains
Another good joke, once again you make me laugh. Thanks.
It’s funny how the only people that have problems with waiting on Favre is other teams fans, lol. Relax eagleslose, it’s not even April. No one here is sweating anything.
Haha, oh yeah I know why Vikings fans want to wait for Favre. Because they don’t have another QB, because they sucked so bad in the past
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
yeah we did suck in the past
but it’s not like we lost to the same 3 times in one year and twice in a row, or something like that. And then the team that beat you got Wasted by this other team, so bad that they were crying about “running up the score”. Has that happened to any team you know recently??
You're right we don't have another qb on the team that's top 3 in the NFL.
How’s your top 15 qb doing?
Top 15? LOL, name your top 10 QBs then
List goes like this:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees
3. Tom Brady
4. Philip Rivers
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Brett Favre
8. Donovan Mcnabb
9. Tony Romo
10, Carson Palmer or Brett Favre if he comes back.
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
1. Favre
2. Manning
3. Brees
4. Rivers
5. Brady
6. Romo
7. Roethlisberger
8. Rodgers
9. Manning
10. Schaubb
11. McNabb
Everyone has their own take on it. McNabb is probably in the 9-12 range.
Well I do agree that everyone has their own take....
but why is Brett Favre #1? Wow, you sure are biased. Peyton, Brees, and Brady are much better
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
top 3 is debatable, I think he should have gotten the MVP last year.
If you look at stats he’s solid top 3. Also if you look at stats, you can’t definitively say he’s not #1 either.
Brees and Peyton took their teams to the Super Bowl....
Favre didn’t, and he had an argubally better Defense, and better Running backs
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Also.. Stats aren't everything, Intagibles are also needed to get the MVP
Brees lifted the city, Peyton basically did more with less
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
That my friend is BS
Everyone talks about the Colts as if they are some crap team with just Payton carrying them on his back. Look up the stats on his defense. Look up his RB stats. They weren’t as bad as most people think. Payton did have help on his team, most sports casters (and the people who listen to them) are just to dumb to realize it.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Favre at 7?
And then you say dsludo is biased? Granted Favre shouldn’t be #1, but, if you’re going by skill and not age, which is why I think he dropped down to 7 on your list, Favre should be, at the very least, in the top 5, if not top 3.
i know more about rocket science than you know about Football
1. Brett Favre
2. Drew Brees
3.Aaron Rodgers
4.Peyton Manning
5.Phillip Rivers
6.Ben Rothlisberger
7.Matt Schaub
8.Tony Brady
9.Tony Romo
10.Kurt Warner
at earliest i would have Mcnabb at 13 or 14
Brett Favre #1?
HAHAHA you sure know your football…. Wow just wow. and Kurt Warner? Hes retired smarts
eff you we winning anyway
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And who's "Tony" Brady Rocket Scientist, its Tom Brady
and you think you know football
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
ummm...
You mentioned Favre twice in your post, and no one gave you a hard time about making a typographical error. Get some class.
The thing was he criticized me first... I didn't come here to start fights
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Its only "Tony Brady" when he goes out
To his favorite Italian restaurant.
They give him the fresh pasta instead of the crap out of a can they feed everyone else(reference Simpsons episode where Marge gets unexpected breast implants).
Vikings please trade up to get Earl Thomas.
Seems about right....
However I would put Manning 3rd and Rodgers 4th………Warner 9th get rid of Romo and put McNabb at 10th…..He NEVER had a good group of WR he would be in Heaven with group the Vikings have now.
by greenbay packers backer on Mar 28, 2010 4:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Well,
DeSean Jackson, and Jeremy Maclin I would say are better than Percy Harvin and Bernard Berrian, Sidney Rice, but not by far, but no way
Favre #1, that’s just overrating him. Peyton or Bress #1
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
I was going to comment on this
but then realized arguing with stupid people is futile they’ll just drag you to their level and beat you with experience.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
My thoughts..
Favre basically had his best season of his career, and he has had numerous MVPs in the past. Why would he be considered a flop at #1?? Top-3 for SURE, in my opinion… Other years he was rated as a MVP, but, look at what he did over 40 years of age.
In my opinion, here is what you should consider when looking at his stats.. He was considered a potential MVP and it was his first year as a Vikings QB. I don’t think very many people (without looking up the stats) are nearly even considered for MVP when it was their first year with the team.
Some people think he will have less success the upcoming season, I however, believe he’ll have just as good of a season if not better. 1-year as a Viking will make him feel more at home (hitting receivers in stride better, a little better knowing the offense, etc. etc).
Harvin is better than Maclin
Jackson and Rice are close and Bernard is better than any #3 receiver the Eagles have. As for TEs Shiancoe and Celek are about even.
If someone can convince Celek to grow a Magnum P.I. mustache he might get the edge.
Vikings please trade up to get Earl Thomas.
No way, did you see Celek's play last year?
Compare the stats
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Now I can respond
Maybe its my PC, but Celek’s #s were more impressive, but Shiancoe’s 11TDs are nothing to sneeze at.
Disregard dido response on Bleeding Green Nation.
Vikings please trade up to get Earl Thomas.
If they are not making a play for McNabb
It is obvious a plan has been worked with Favre. McNabb has been on Chiilys scope for a long time B4 Favre showed up. If it wasn’t a given, the Vikes would be giving up thier 2nd rounder plus maybe Jax or Rosencopter for a Philly reserve.
I was never a big fan of inking McNabb. The only upside is spending $ on a QB who you know will problybe around for 3 more yearsand his experience. Pending injuries it would not be a bad move. But, then comes Brett who doesn’t want to say anything (nor will the Vikes) for fear it will make them look bad by letting him out of camps.
We all know it so just say it. “He’s coming back, don’t worry. He needs thetime off due to his age and the fact we know he can run this offense without the extra time most young guys need”
Now. Knowing Favre will be gone in a year, do we draft a project or go after McNabb and tell him to hang in there for one year or if Favre totally falls apart we heve him to put right in there.
I don’t want to see it happen but if the Vikings and Favre really do bad, Favre just may decide to quit rather than go down with the ship. Then if McNabb accepted how the plan works and knows this will give him time to let his body heal – then maybe. But a maybe that will not happen in the reality of things
by CitrusFLViking on Mar 28, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Well you(eagleswin) wouldn't know what its like to have a QB that throws for over 4,000 yards.
At age 40, in his first year with the team. Oh and he out-performed McNabb big time.
So…
Worth waiting for.
One power slam from Brock and Mir might be dead. He better watch his words. He'll be eating them soon.
10-4.
After what I said on the right team McNabb could throw for 4,000, but who really cares so long as he wins. He has come close. If I thought McNabb could stay healthy for 3-5 seasons I would want him on the Vikings. That is a big “if”. With Brett you know he is playing. All be it only (fingers crossed) for one more year.
If the Vikings lost out on the chance to get McNabb because of Favre and Brett decided in August he wasent going to come back I would curse him to high heaven. Why can’t Favre just say he is coming back and that he won’t be at camp? After last year everyone would be okay with it.
Maybe he wants to go on Letterman next, Ferguson, Ellen then Oprah?
One power slam from Brock and Mir might be dead. He better watch his words. He'll be eating them soon.
A.I. ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
I am a Piston fan. A.I. is backkkkkkkk to drinkin’ for now. Lol. Iggy is awesome and yes my Pistons are poo this year.
One power slam from Brock and Mir might be dead. He better watch his words. He'll be eating them soon.
Heyyyyyy
Everyone in Philly, or lives around Philly loves A.I.
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Someone has to, lol.
He was great back in the day. Just too selfish later on in his career when his skills declined.
1st ballot HOF regardless.
One power slam from Brock and Mir might be dead. He better watch his words. He'll be eating them soon.
A.I. has always said he was a victim.
So a lot of negativity he brought on himself.
He also said if he had to he would have no problem coming off the bench when the Pistons signed him. Then when they asked him to come off the bech it was a problem.
One power slam from Brock and Mir might be dead. He better watch his words. He'll be eating them soon.
Well..
I’m not denying A.I.‘s bad decisions, yet I’m just saying that us Sixers fans always have had A.I.’s back and will always have his back. He is just the type of player that Philly fans love. You know what I mean?
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
10-4, I'll quit hatin'.
Pistons were on the decline anyway.
One power slam from Brock and Mir might be dead. He better watch his words. He'll be eating them soon.
The Chilly/Reid connection is worry-some...
It’s almost like Reid is ‘baiting’ Chilly… dangling McNabb out there while Favre mulls.
If McNabb is a future option for us, we definitely would like him to leave Philly this year, or as others have stated, Philly will make him expensive for anyone.
I REALLY want to see Favre back again this year
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Mar 26, 2010 9:02 PM CDT reply actions
Tough!
I love what Favre did for us last year. Gave us the relief from TJ that we needed. Thing is, do we stick with him and give it another go, or give ourselves alot of shots over the next few years? I think McNabb would excel in the Metrodome. I don’t know….it’s a hard one, since we can’t just acquire McNabb and sit him for a year behind Favre.
Last time we got a qb from Philly we didn’t do too bad
by Tswing on Mar 26, 2010 10:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
But once again I’m all for tryin out tjack over mcnabb look what Rodgers did after favre left I think Jackson will shut us all up IMO but there is always other options I forgot who said it but it would be bad ass to develop a franchise guy that we drafted and invested time and money into
by Tswing on Mar 26, 2010 10:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
need good offensive frontline to protect QB
both quarterbacks would do well this season.one thing vikings need to do is get a good offensive frontline to protect these quarterbacks,not like what happen with saints when they was ripping favre up.
Replace Herrera, the weakest link.
Loadholt will be a year better and if McKinnie’s ankle holds up the Vikes will be fine. I think Sullivan will be better in his second year as a starter also.
Vikings please trade up to get Earl Thomas.
Hypothetically speaking we don’t grab a worthy qb in this yrs draft and tjack goes elsewhere next year what kinda quarterbacks are we looking at for 2011 draft I know this question is way early but with favre coming back I was wandering if we could wait to waste a pick this year
by Tswing on Mar 26, 2010 10:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think next year's QB class
Is going to be much stronger than this year’s. Just nosing around the net a little bit, I found a site that already has a 2011 Mock Draft out there.
He’s got four quarterbacks going in the first round in 2011, probably depending on which underclassmen declare and all that jazz.
Jake Locker, Washington (#1 to Cleveland)
Andrew Luck, Stanford (#3 to Kansas City)
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas (#9 to Buffalo)
Pat Devlin, Delaware (#29 to Minnesota)
Locker probably should have declared this year, Luck and Mallett are both underclassmen (Mallett played a year at Michigan before he transferred to Arkansas), and Devlin plays for a school that isn’t a D-I program.
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by Christopher Gates on Mar 27, 2010 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
and last year everyone was saying what a strong group of QBs would be in the draft this year…
Gonzo, Im crushed!!!!
You don’t have us at pick #32 next year? Or do we trade up? ;-) lol
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by VikesFaninNM on Mar 27, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
That's where the guy
That put together the mock at the site linked in my post has us picking.
Of course we’ll be picking at 32 next year. (-:
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by Christopher Gates on Mar 27, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
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man I really have been waiting a long time for a quote from the hitchhickers guide….and loving it!
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Mar 27, 2010 3:51 AM CDT reply actions
the 4 book
trilogy!
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Mar 27, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
WOW !!!! If Irecall it was the DR. Goth Plan but any way.............
This was run through during the fishing trip to Alaska. I said the deal was done then and everything else is borring bribble to drag us to draft day. Shout out to the UNI Panthers for a heroic showing in the sweet 16. St. Lois is not a candidate for Mc Nabb they are simply trying to trade out of the #1 spot. Oakland is trying to unload. Andy wouldn’t send his idiot for a son to the black hole or BUF. SEATTLE has the clout too pull it off but they have worse problems to face with aging players. KOLB would be the better fit but I’d take Donnie in 2011 in a heart beat……………..
What’s this crud about a qb in the first in 2011. Jared will be going from his Wrangler commercials to his Campbell’s soup commercials. How did it go from the GONZO whichamagigeg to this Deleware stuffs. Come on Man !!!!!!!!!
LOOK GRIME A PARAGRAPH………Remember folks if we all agree together that the BEARS SUCK than we will all have to admit that the PACKERS SWALLOW !!! Aint that right packallday if you still have the strength to make it over to D’Norseman. Hey Karl c how would you say this in old English any better.
Congrats on that paragraph thingy.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 27, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha what are you talking about!? You honestly confuse the hell out of me. Your mind must be going in a 10 different directions all at once or something…
How do you go from, shout out to UNI, to talking about Oakland to Andy Reid, and then onto commercials!? And then randomly talking about how the Bears suck and the Packers swallow?
I really can’t respond back to your post because I have no idea what you’re saying hahaha!
by packallday555 on Mar 29, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
it helps if you just randomly bash your head into the keyboard.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Hey Gothic
Next time put spaces between your paragraphs. PackAllDay still have trouble understanding. Maybe its just a packers thing…
Haha paragraphs would help but more so it’s the lack of sentences thing that is getting me and the rambling..
by packallday555 on Mar 29, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
"What do you guys think? Do we give Favre all the time he needs to make a decision about coming back, or do we pull the trigger on a potential Donovan McNabb deal and move forward?"
And if you push him, will he say no and then later change his mind and come back anyway? Gosh, that sounds familiar. :)
But who cares? If you trade for McNabb and Favre comes back all pissed off and determined to win the job, you can release him if it’s a problem, and if not, there’s no cap to worry about so the money (which Wilf has), isn’t anything to worry about.
Favre’s better than McNabb though. Always has been…
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 27, 2010 8:34 AM CDT reply actions
Yep
See I"m on the boat of having both is better. I would have McNabb sit the bench and learn the system and be back up for Farve. Then have Farve start all the games. As the year progressed I would have McNabb come in on the second half of games we’re winning. Everyone is happy. We have a KICK ASS back up and since we’re in the magical land of NO-CAPIA we can all sit around the camp fire and drink brews.
Plus Favre/McNabb same team? We’ll have quadrupled our fan base in the last two years. Pick up Tebow and we might even start having more fans than the Cowboys.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Would be great but there is no way McNabb is willing to sit on the bench for a year.
by packallday555 on Mar 29, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
hard to say...
depends on how un-happy he is in Philly…
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Mar 29, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I guess that’s true. And who could really blame him for not being too happy. The fans treat him like shit, and no one in the organization other then Andy Reid seems to realize that he really is a great Qb, especially with talent around him.
by packallday555 on Mar 29, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
We finally agree on something!
I don’t think he’ll sit for a year either…but if he had to, Favre is probably the only one that he would sit behind, knowing that he will inherit a good team the following year, and you always have the possibility of a 41 year old Favre getting injured. I know they guy never gets hurt enough to sit, but you never know at that age.
"... you never know at that age..."
I’ve been saying that since he was 35. The only way the guy misses a game is if he gets hit with an injury that finishes him for good. Doesn’t seem too likely. Not only is he every bit as tough as his reputation suggests, but he’s smart enough to avoid big hits in most games.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 29, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Grime That's would be awesome if that happened.
What a luxury that would be. Trade Sage to the Raiders for a 4th rd pick.
The Viking Way
If everyone remembers when Farve left Green Bay it wasn’t for Minnesota. We did not offer some huge deal to Green Bay in order to acquire Brett. When he was disgruntled in NY we did not go and offer the Jets the moon for Farve. We simply waited and picked him up without the cost of a draft pick or valuable players. We offered Brett a 2-year deal at 12 Million per year.
I think the front office would do the same for Donavan. If some team wants to offer a high price then so be it. If his contract expires then come talk to us. My gut tells me that the Vikes are not going to pay Brett 12 Million, McNabb 12 Million, and Sage 3 Million all in the same year. Plus going after McNabb right now means eliminating the draft from consideration. Its possible we don’t want Clausen, Bradford, Tebow, or McCoy. Its also possible that we covet one of them. On draft day anything can happen. I just don’t see Spielman letting loose of his options this early.
As much as I hate the idea of another older, use em up QB, for the Vikes I have to admit that McNabb would be a fit. I do think he will get hurt on artificial turf. I do not think he will win the SB. I do not think he will be as good ( or lucky) as Brett Farve.
But if we can’t find the QBOF in the draft then McNabb is the best of the rest.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
And that really is the whole point here.
He is the best pick we have right now because we’ve painted ourselves into a corner with no way out. We just have to turn around and repaint the room and hope we end up going out the door this time.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Cost-Benefit Decision. If you can get Mcnabb for the late 2nd or less and he will sign a market level contract for an older top 10 starter with some minor injury questions then do it now. It pays and is smart. Paying more than that is stupid. Letting this opportunity for a 3 yr starter at a reasonable price go bye is stupid. I don’t know what the draft choice and contract demands are but the vikings should find out and react accordingly. Its a business decision. (3yr superbowl window is open for business) Go Vikes!
by DNelsonAndersonFarvetookmySB on Mar 27, 2010 9:59 AM CDT reply actions
why not vick?
he might be even less and bring him in a a second string, then let him get his stuff back together under favre. I am i the only one that thinks we should risk it for this guy?
Vick is limited.
Vick needs a team built around his odd and unique skillset. The Vikes are too well built to change it around now. He is not a pocket passing decisionmaker – Vick runs well but gets hurt when he runs it. (Sound like a backup QB we all know on our own roster) I think Vick is a no he is not a west coast on time decisionmaker. He is older and rusty and we would just be trading Love Boat problems for airport, weed, Doggy, and facebook problems.
by DNelsonAndersonFarvetookmySB on Mar 27, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Vick sucks
The eagles have been trying to trade him since he got there. He has never been able to throw the ball accurately, and all the speed that he used to have is gone!
Except
I’m pretty sure that he tossed a couple of touchdown passes on the first play that he was given the ball in a couple of games. Maybe more. They really didn’t start playing him until later in the season.
by JethroBoViking on Mar 27, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
No Interest in Vick
No General Manager (all of whom know a heckuva lot more about football than any poster on this forum) is interested in Vick. There must be a reason for that, don’t you think?
Do you think
it could be something other than his athletic ability? Like all his trouble when he went to the dogs for his extracurricular entertainment? I don’t think anyone was interested in him at that point.
My wife just got really mad at me when I told her I was defending Vick. I guess I’m in the dog house.
by JethroBoViking on Mar 27, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
vick fought dogs
then he went to jail. The penal system is based on, if you do something wrong, you will be punished equivalently. Vick went to jail and he served what he did what he was supposed to do. Now let the man make a living.
Dude he killed dogs
He let dogs kill each other. If you don’t see this as a serious character flaw then I worry for you. People who have isues like this are not right in the head. Maybe he did it because he wanted to impress his friends, maybe he felt good when he saw two dogs attack each other and one lay bleeding out? Maybe he liked the feel of the gun as he made a canoe out of a dogs head. Does it matter? Any or all of these things do not point to a stable personality.
I’m fine with him making a living however, it should be done where people of conscience do not reside.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
definitely a character flaw
But didn’t he sign a 100 million dollar contract and lost it all? And on top of that have 2 years in jail?
Man I love dogs, but I still think he got a raw deal.
There are people that get arrested for drunk driving, rape, and other serious crime that have served less jail time than Michael Vick.
I still don’t want him on the Vikings though….
I understand he did something terrible....
It was peer pressure and everyone deserves second chances
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Why not both?
Sitting behind Favre has to be more attractive than starting in oakland or buffalo. And without a cap for this year, money shouldn’t be a huge concern. Also with a tougher scedule, it’d be nice to have a solid back up.
There were some games last year , when we’re up big in the fourth I was wondering what the hell is Favre still in for. Maybe with a real back up, he can get some rest in those situations.
Both? Wow you are quite stupid. Imagine the rift it would cause in the locker room. No one in the NFL is stupid enough to have 2 Pro-Bowl caliber players, and superstar QBs on their roster, there’s a reason why. Dumbest idea I have ever heard of
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Awesome
Clearly there was no way for you to phrase your response in a less arrogant, high-and-mighty fashion. You, sir, are a fine ambassador for your team and for your fan base.
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by Christopher Gates on Mar 27, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry Good Sir
I was too rifled up. I should have controlled my emotions. Forgive me
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
That's better,
Now that you’ve calmed down.
I’m still a total idiot, but. What I was suggesting is a short term idea, like Montana / Young did in SF. I understand it wont work for long. But it doesn’t have to. I still think (dumb-ass that I am) that it would be better than starting in oakland or buffalo.
Sorry bro...
I didn’t mean to sound like an asshole but I’m not sure that would work.
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Hmmm....2 pro bowl QB's
Packers had 2 pro bowl QB in the locker room a few times……Favre and who ever was the poor sap riding the pines behind him. (ie Rodgers, Hasselback) That worked out ok for us having a Post Favre plan and it would work for the Vikings too.
Plus didn’t the Eagles have 2 pro bowl QB on the team last year?? Still do but the one QB is the 3rd string QB now.
by greenbay packers backer on Mar 28, 2010 4:24 AM CDT up reply actions
The thing is....
they aren’t or weren’t pro bowl QB’s when they were with the team. For example, Vick right now is not even close to being a Pro Bowl Caliber QB, he’s probably in the top 30 QB list, maybe even top 20, but hes not pro-bowl now.
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
How much of an issue did Vick coming on to your team create?
McNabb would know he would be starting the year after. He woud have a year to gel with a superbowl bound team. I really see no issues with this at all. It might cause a stir in the media but I would say we cause stirs there anyway.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Moving on?
Are you nuts, or are you simply crazy?
There is no moving on from the Greatest QB in NFL History, period.
The Vikings will wait just like Brad Childress has stated.
Favre will be back, there is no doubt.
Don’t go pulling a Mike McLardy, and tell Favre that “we’ve moved on.”
Favre will lead the 2010 Minnesota Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
You don't move on from Favre
You don’t move on from Favre you wait for him……you pick up McNabb and make him ride the pines for the next season. Ask old Ted Thompson how that not waiting on Favre worked out for him….Next year shareholders meeting and see you later Teddy!!
by greenbay packers backer on Mar 28, 2010 4:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Greatest QB in NFL History?
Favre? Boy, thats quite a bold statement, hope you can back that up
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
There actually are more arguments for that statement
than there are against it. Do I agree that he’s the best ever? No, I saw Montana at his best and I don’t think I’ll ever see a QB that can match that.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Wrong, Favre is better!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Mar 30, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Andy Reid is an idiot.
He has screwed this QB situation up in every conceivable way. First, he drafted a limp-wristed, flaccid armed hillbilly (Kolb) in the 2nd round. Then he pisses Donovan off by playing this charade in the media. Despite the fact that I’m a life long Eagles fan, I’d love to see Donovan come to Minnesota and win a super bowl to show that moron Reid what he’s missing. And while he’s at it, he could teach our inept, incompetent and criminal tax evading front office a thing or two as well.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
kolb is a top 20 qb, after his stint as a starter
but i am not sure if that was a true glimpse at what his possible potential is. Kind of like Matt Cassel, and look at him now.
I think Oakland could win now
With Betty white. Anything is an improvment over Jamarcus Russell. That being said I do think mcnabb could help the raiders become at least somewhat relevant again as a football team. And the Vikings can wait favre will be back, and next year will begin the era of stanzi ball in Minnesota.
by HawkeyeVikingTwinsUnited on Mar 27, 2010 6:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Let Favre play as long as he wants. We will still love him playing at 64 (and we will still need him).
Will you still feed him...
…when he gets older, losing his hair, many (???) years from now?
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Next year: Not Now
Why go after McNabb now? It doesn’t make any sense at all.
He’ll be a free agent after next season. He will be 35 then, 7 years younger than Favre. He won’t cost us a first round pick. He still has mobility and a great arm.
McNabb’s problem is staying healthy, just like his buddy Westbrook. McNabb has only played ONE full season in the last 6 years, and FOUR full seasons in the last 11 years. He is not durable, and a 1st rounder is way too much to give up for that.
Next year I would consider him. This year, no way.
Waiting Game
Let McNabb play out his year with the iggles, Favre is coming back. Then we can negotiate a long term deal after this season is over, and Favre (hopefully) decides to exit the NFL gracefully with new hardware. Win-Win. LT is probably regretting signing with the JETS right about now.
Skol Vikings!!
Take McNabb
If they the Vikings are smart they take both QB’s. Mark my words FAVRE WILL BE BACK. But you still need a QB beyond this season McNabb can play for another 5yrs easy and you can wait for a great QB to draft instead of just drafting one for the sake of drafting one. (ie T-Jack)
It is an uncapped year trade for McNabb resign him to a long term deal front end loaded and be set at QB for the next 5 years.
This would be a scary good move for the Vikings…..as a Packers fan I hope they don’t do it however it would be nice to have the North not be known as the Black and Blue division anymore!!
by greenbay packers backer on Mar 28, 2010 4:18 AM CDT reply actions
I agree with you 100%
When you’re offered a chance you have to grab it.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
perhaps
strib says we are in talks with oakland about rosey’s availability. that’d free up some money and space…
Let Favre Take his Time.... ?
I do agree that Favre’s earned the right to take his time and not decide until 1 hour before the first game of the season.
But that doesn’t mean the Vikings shouldn’t make plans to cover the QB situation in case Favre decides not to come back. Or, if he does come back, what if he’s finally too old or gets injured?
The bottom line is that it would be irresponsible for the Vikings not have a credible, fairly reliable back-up in place, no matter what Favre decides. They’ve made it pretty clear that they no longer believe in T-Jack and Sage hasn’t played since last pre-season. If they draft a rook, unless that guy’s name is Bradford or Clausen, he’s not going to be remotely close to being able to start. So what’s left?
McNabb or Campbell (if he’s still available). That’s about it. Vick is an older version of T-Jack and nothing to get excited about it and…. and…. well, that’s it. Nothing left. I don’t see SD or GB or anyone else eager to give up their franchise QB…
So let Favre ponder indefinitely. It’s time for the Vikings to cover the bases.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
agreed 100%
You need to give Brett all the time he needs but still need a decent starting QB just in case it is an uncapped year and you can afford to carry two starting QB’s
by greenbay packers backer on Mar 29, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions
McNabb not in plan A or B
Plan A: The Vikings already know Favre is coming back. They ship out Sage re-sign Jackson and draft Tebow round 1
Plan B: If Tebow is gone at 30 draft spot they draft the best CB. Then wait on 2011 to draft a QB and pretend that was their Plan A all along.
The just don’t think Donovan can take them to the promised land. So why invest money and years in him?
Donovan is a downgrade
McNabb is prone to injuries… Want to put the game in the hands of T-Jack??
Favre is more likely to not get injured.. Maybe it is because Favre will go out on the field with two busted knee caps, twist ankles, pulled hammie, and a broken left arm.
He could have two broken femurs and he would want to play if they let him go out in a wheel chair…
Not to mention, the abilities of Favre is greater than McNabb.
They are better off waiting until next year when he is FA and see how the draft turns out.
by Deek on Mar 29, 2010 2:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I would rather have favre for 1 more year than mcnabb for 4 more years
by hatethenate on Mar 30, 2010 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Just heard on the 10pm news...
McNabb wants to play for the Arizona Cardinals!
Not likely to happen this year as Leinart is ‘The Guy’ going into the season.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Mar 31, 2010 12:25 AM CDT reply actions
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