Free Agency Day One Open Thread
by Christopher Gates on Mar 5, 2010 7:44 AM CST
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While we shouldn't expect the Vikings to get too heavily involved with the first day of free agency. . .after all, the new rules state that we have to lose somebody before we can sign anyone. . .the spending derby got underway a little more than eight hours ago.
There haven't been a lot of transactions that have taken place. Former Viking Nate Burleson somehow managed to convince the Detroit Lions that he was worth a five-year, $25 million contract with about $11 million in guarantees.
Chester Taylor is scheduled to visit the Bears today. I hope he doesn't sign with Chicago. . .signing Taylor would give Chicago a running back with some actual talent for Baby Jay to hand the ball to, as opposed to the garbage they have at the position now.
The NFL Network is apparently going to have all sorts of coverage of free agency today starting at 10 AM Central time. If you want to discuss any of today's free agency happenings, feel free to do so right here.
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I've always wondered..
I know it’s a business and players are out there to go make money… But why would someone like CT care to go to a team like the Bears when the Vikings were so close to the SB? You would have to think that when you’re having a losing season that the stress level is pretty high among the team. With CT and his age, he could possibly never have as close of a chance as he did in the 09’ season. And Burleson? Have fun maybe winning 2-3 games (If that!)….
I would think as a player, this would be my mentality… If I was going to leave a team to go make more money, I would go to a team that has a great chance of going all the way.. Didn’t the Bears just re-do all of their coaching staff??
It's part of the game...
got to test the waters, find out what you are worth on the street. possibly get more money from the team you are with.
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Mar 5, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Understandable
It would only make sense if that was the route they were attempting to take. Try and have your salary matched to full value. But, you can make a lot of money playing as professional, but you know year after year of losing would be stressful and bring you down. I would hate to play for the Lions unless I was a rookie. — Who could show great potential and get signed elsewhere.
There's also playing time to factor in.
Odds are Taylor’s going to beat Forte for the starting job. What has it been…three years since Taylor had his 1,200 season since Peterson arrived.
JUST IN! Chester signed with Bears.
Watch out. Here comes Westbrook.
by CitrusFLViking on Mar 5, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Same reason Edgerrin James left the Colts to sign with the Cardinals. Besides, now Taylor gets to play us twice a year.
Yeah...
I wouldn’t like it very much if I was him.
Goin’ against Pat, Kevin, Jared and probably Ray is not a pleasant thing to do.
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I think the Lions will win 4-5 games this season
after signing Burleson and Vanden Bosch. It also depends if they pick an immediate impact player too
They've....
Been pretty low in recent years.. Only winning a 1-3 game per season. I would definately expect a below .500 season. Unless the Fords decide to go crazy and use the uncapped year to give the Lions one hell of a season.
You guys are crazy.
The Lions are going to be stacked by the end of this free agency and the draft.
I am expecting 9-7 out of the Lions this year, unless they continue to sandbag in hopes of acquiring another top-10 draft pick next year.
Burleson is not an amazing receiver, but he will be a solid compliment to Megatron and Pettigrew. Their defense is MUCH better than advertised, with Vanden Bosch, Foote, Peterson, Sims and Buchanon. Add to that mix whoever they get in this years draft and I am starting to get worried.
The NFC north will be the best division in football for the next 3-4 years, yes that includes the Lions.
Well first of all
They don’t have Foote or Buchanon any more, but it won’t be much of a dropoff to put Sims in the middle and Levy on the outside and I’m sure they’ll sign someone to replace Buchanon. I like their moves under Mayhew a lot but I still think that they’re a year away from playoff contention. Their defense will be average this year. I would say that they go as Matt Stafford goes, the number of games they will win depends on his development so predictions for the Lions may be foolish at this point.
by Donald Driver on Mar 5, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
The Redskins
Continue to think similarly. A team made up of entirely mercenaries never seems to work well. I expect no different in Detroit.
by Jepp The Viking on Mar 5, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m with you. They don’t have Buchanon anymore and I think Foote might be a FA but they still have some talented guys. Delmas is going to be a special SS. Aside from him though their secondary is bad but if that DL can generate pressure it won’t matter all that much.
Offense will definitely be improved. Stafford will be better, and Megatron and Burleson will be a good WR tandem, along with Pettigrew.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Could be much better then that. They traded for Corey Williams too, and Suh or McCoy will be immediate impact players in this league. They could have a really, really good DL.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think $25 million for 5 years is too much for a player of Nate Burleson’s caliber
by Loki The Viking God on Mar 5, 2010 10:58 AM CST reply actions
So does everybody else...
Except for Nate, that is.
It may take a village to raise a child, but it takes a Viking to raze a village.
by Luft Krigare on Mar 5, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
I was on the POD and the majority seemed happy about the deal
If we paid that amount of money for a player of similar talent and career stats I would be more than a little upset
by Loki The Viking God on Mar 5, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Some things to consider
1. Detroit really needed a number 2 reciever for Stafford
2. Detroit struggle to run the ball even with a very talented running back like Kevin Smith
3. It’s a smaller contract than Burleson’s last contract
4. It’s an uncapped year
5. Detroit’s owners have deep pockets
6. Detroit needs to get better NOW. This is a good signing for them.
by Donald Driver on Mar 5, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
If they have such deep pockets why wouldn’t they go after brandon marshall then
by Loki The Viking God on Mar 5, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
fair point by medicine ball but signing Marshall would require them to give up their 1st round pick
in their case number 2 overall. Burleson please.
by Donald Driver on Mar 5, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Hear me out
Heard this idea being floated earlier. If Da Bears sign Chester, (or anyone else for that matter) how bout we go and use our RFA ability on Lito Shepard? Huh? Thoughts?
by Jepp The Viking on Mar 5, 2010 11:34 AM CST reply actions
Answering with a copy of my other post
As much as we all speculate Favre is back and they are just covering up an agreement so BF can get out of mini camps and probobly part of training camp. I think Westbrook sent a word to Minnesota.
It makes sense. Why would the Vikes not make a huge effort to sign him (CT)? Does Chester just feel slighted or are the Vikings letting him play the market for value and then make their offer or is a Westbrook agreement in place? Pretty big gamble considering CT is unrestricted. I think there are plans for Westbrook. Favre would love having Westy as a backfield pass option. Percy could be your true option as the #2 back but he is more effective at running out of a wildcat and spread. Counting on Young or Johnson if AD goes down is not a comfortable scenario-Westbrook is gonna visit and probobly sign if we find out Chester signs with the Bears.
I still think we should dump Madeau Williams and try to sign Robinson or one of the better LB’s available as we don’t know how EJ will heal.
Lito??? I have some shaky feelings about him. I think the Vikes are doing a couple days of wait and see.
by CitrusFLViking on Mar 5, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Chester Taylor and the Bears
We can’t really complain if he visits them or signs there. I mean, he can do that. I hope he signs with the Steelers, though.
Peppers
Hopefully peppers doesn’t tear us up twice a year like he did last season
by Loki The Viking God on Mar 5, 2010 12:22 PM CST reply actions
He might...
It would be nice if Childress realized that a Tight End can line up on the left side of the line as well as the right.
Who in their right mind lets Peppers go one-on-one with McKinnie without giving him some help?
Vanden Bosch to the Lions
He follows his old defensive coordinator to Detroit.
Schwartz was waiting in Nashville outside Vanden Bosch’s home when free agency began.
Lions are making the right moves
A few key FA signings and put some puzzle peices together in the draft and they are a couple years from being a contender for the North. Their stock is gonna go up. This is a team that can really benefit from this years free agents crop
Whats the chances of
us losing Ray Edwards, then us taking a gamble on Kampman? I’d be all for it and I could see it happen since we tried to pry him away from the Packers 3-4 years ago..
1st round tender on Edwards
doubt anyone would give that, and if they did the pick would be high enough to grab a great DE.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Our defensive line was great last year. It was one of the best things we had going on the whole team. Why change it?
I honestly see
Kampman as a big time upgrade over Edwards. Even though he is coming off of knee surgery, i see him having double digit sacks on our line..
I'll take a healthy Ray over Kampmann
Two years ago I’d take Kampmann in a heartbeat. But his strength is as a speed rusher from the perimeter, and he’s coming off and ACL tear. I’d be surprised if he was able to get back to his pre-injury ability. I hope he does, because I love the guy’s game, but that’s a bad injury for a guy that relies on speed.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Scheter on Sportscenter says Taylor to the Bears is a done deal
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
oh no..
Chester Taylor now a Bear……Peppers expected to be next. just saw on sportscenter.
SKOL VIKINGS 2010!!
You guys lost Chester
Bears agreed to terms with RB Chester Taylor on a four-year, $12.5 million contract, including $7 million guaranteed.
Matt Forte becomes a committee back, and it’s believed he may even lose his starting job. Kevin Jones, who missed all of ‘09 with a serious ankle injury, will likely be released. Taylor is going on age 31 and managed just 3.6 YPC last season, but has caught at least 41 passes in four of the last five years. He becomes the immediate favorite for passing-down duties, which is a vital role in pass-happy OC Mike Martz’s system. The Bears’ RB situation will be one to avoid in non-PPR 2010 fantasy leagues.
For your information Viking's and Colt's fans, no matter how much you say it, you were not the better team in 2009.
so ...
which FA available to us for 12 mil?
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Mar 5, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
actually i think
its 3.125 mil.. i think its goes off the per year basis.. but don’t qoute me on that
I'm not sure either
But I think we can sign anyone who makes a little less than 7 million next season, since Chester will get $7 million guaranteed for 2010.
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That is true
Thats a weird contract though, usually the amount the player gets paid goes up year after year. Say you start out making 2 mil the first, you might get 2.5 mil the next year, but I guess I’m no GM lol
I believe it's because of the uncapped year
The bears are giving CT a lot of money now so when the new CBA is signed and the salary cap is restored, Chester won’t cost them almost nothing and they have enough room to sign other players.
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It's based on the first year
According to PFT we can sign a free agent with a comparable first year salary to Chester’s new deal. So we can sign somebody to a deal that starts at around 7 mil. We can basically afford one high-priced FA since Chester’s deal is so front-loaded.
by CanadianViking on Mar 5, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Based on 1st Year Salary ($7million) + 30% per year increases
Given that, we should have the ability to sign a pretty big time free agent, right? The question is, who should we go after and will Zigi shell out the cash again?
Westbrook-that's who
Brian knows with his injury history and missing 8 games due to his concussion syndrome knwos teams are not going to offer him ton’s of money. He may even sign for less that Chester dis with incentive laden contract.
Did’nt see the Bears jumping to fly Westy in. That may be the motivation. We can get a guy who does the same things, save some $ or pay the incentives if he meets the criteria. If he can provide some of his old form and play a good portion of the season and the playoffs, the incentives will be worth it. I see them signing him to a 2 year deal with a team option for a 3rd year./ guessing 10 million with some big incentive clauses.
by CitrusFLViking on Mar 5, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Personally,
I don’t like Westbrook and don’t want him here.
Give Albert Young a chance and go after a better UFA.
But, no disrespect meant for your opinion.
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He'd play the same role Taylor did
and I don’t recall Taylor taking too many concussions or huge hits.
The thing is
Not too many is already much.
He can be gone with only one.
That is a pretty big risk to take.
"Last season, we knocked on the door. Next season, we’re kicking it down."
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Peppers in Chicago
I don’t get it. I thought the guy wanted to be a 3-4 OLB. Oh well, here’s hoping he continues his trend of disappearing for long stretches during the season. And I was hoping Taylor would go to the Pats.
The Bears and Julius Peppers finalized a six-year deal to bring the top free agent in 2010 to Chicago, according to a source.
Peppers was looking for at least $12 million a year in the early part of the contract. The agreement could be worth $40 million over the first three years.
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In other notes
Jets signed Chromartie from the Bolts for only a 3rd round pick. why didn’t we get into this bidding war?
Because we get enough headache on McKinnie...
Some infos about Cromartie:
* Cromartie has at least seven children in five states. Depending on the report, they were born to five or six women. (If he can’t keep them straight, how can we?) All the children are under 6 years old.
* The San Diego Union-Tribune has reported he owes $25,000 in unpaid child support and has been the subject of five paternity lawsuits over the past three years.
* The Union-Tribune reported Friday morning Cromartie twice has failed to appear in court to address traffic tickets and has neglected to pay $799 in fines.
* The same story noted Cromartie is due in court this month for a case related to child support.
* San Diego police investigated him for assault for allegedly hitting a man over the head with a champagne bottle at a bar in November. No charges were filed for lack of evidence.
* Chargers coach Norv Turner fined Cromartie $2,500 for ripping the team’s training-camp cuisine and suggesting that type of treatment is why they can’t win Super Bowls.
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K
Don’t follow AFC players’ personal lives much. Thanks for illuminating. :)
by Jepp The Viking on Mar 5, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
You missed the bottle-throwing incident, or allegations thereof.
Seriously though, I’m fine with all that except for the cuisine ripping. Nobody rips the cuisine!!! We cannot let Cromartie near Winter Park.
It's possible we did
I mean, have the Chargers come out and said who was in it? Maybe we just didn’t offer as much as the Jets did.
Who will/should we sign?
Now that taylor is gone, and given a lot of upfront money, who will/should we sign??
No no no no oh oh oh
Srry, I couldn’t resist
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Leigh Bodden?
Apparently, he’s the best CB left on the market.
by CanadianViking on Mar 5, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
rolle!
I would like to see us on that one.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Mar 5, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
don't know if i agree but....
cornerback marlin jackson from colts and brian westbrook likely to sign….but the key is that westbrook was released from the eagles so the vikings can sign him without restrictions.
LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!
Marlin
Was former 1st rounder hounded by injuries last 2 years. Could be awesome, could be made of glass. Lest we forget Jamarca Sanford is better than T Johnson and Asher Allen shows promise.
by Jepp The Viking on Mar 5, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
If both guys...
westbrook and Jackson can get over their recent injuries they could be significant upgrades to our team.
LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!
Ryan Clark
That guy hits like nobody’s business:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMZAsZD9I3s
But are the Vikings interested in a safety given the money committed to Williams (ugh) and Johnson (hasn’t shown me enough yet)? Imagine how hard hitting we would become at S if we started Clark and Sanford?
In other news
The Steelers might need a new quarterback. It sounds like the Georgia Bureau of Investigation is investigating their current one.
Please, nobody start saying anything unless you know it’s true or you have a link for that exact thing somewhere. According to Profootballtalk.com , the GBI is looking into the case.
ish.
dissappointing – no matter which way it goes…
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Mar 5, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Even if he’s cleared, the fact that Big Ben would put himself in position to be on the wrong end of these allegations given everything he has experienced in Nevada makes us think that, yes, he really is as dumb as he looks.
"Last season, we knocked on the door. Next season, we’re kicking it down."
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Haha wow, what a joke. How could you be so stupid!? Whether he did it or not, it sure as hell doesn’t look good that he is being accused of sexual assault for the second time.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Oh sweet baby Jesus no
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
look,i know the risks of getting him(Interceptions and inconsistency)
but let’s give him a chance
No, and no
He’s terrible. I’d rather roll with TJ if Favre doesn’t come back. If you’re talking a straight back up guy, give me Marc Bulger.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
I signed Delhomme in Madden '09 once...
He didn’t even impress me there.
I'd rather go with TJack.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Mar 5, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
that goes without saying!
lol
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Mar 5, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Delhomme = HELL NO
That guy is 100% garbage now.
To even suggest getting Delhomme after how he’s played in the last year and a half…
In AP I trust
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E
by FarvaForTheVikings on Mar 5, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
I would cry
For a LONG time
I love Twins Baseball and Minnesota Vikings Football.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Mar 5, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Te-bow, Te-bow, Te-bow!!
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
+15
"Last season, we knocked on the door. Next season, we’re kicking it down."
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No to Zac Robinson
Takeaways on Bears First Day
Julius Peppers—He’s goodgreat, and there’s no argument there. However, he is the DE version of the ‘play when I want to play’ Randy Moss. Will he want to play now that he got his big pay day? He’s 30, and he’s battled injuries two of the last three years. Real big risk-reward potential, but could be a lot of money wasted. But let’s say that Peppers is as good as advertised. Okay, you got the second best defensive end in the NFC North, and he’ll be good, but you still don’t have anyone to complement him on the line, so although their pass rush is better with Peppers, a smart coach can scheme and neutralize him. The rest of their defense is still a year older…and terrible. It’s a lot of money for a guy on a team that needs a lot more help on defense.
Chester Taylor—This hurts, because I loved CT, and watching him play for the Bears will be depressing. However, I hold no ill will, and wish him the best. But CT is now running behind a terribly mediocre offensive line that was 29th in running the ball. He’ll be an upgrade, but you can’t run if you can’t get any blocking.
Everybody in Bearville is praising Jerry Angelo today, but they still don’t have anyone who can catch the ball, especially with Greg Olsen on the way out, and no one to block or pass protect. And Mike Martz’ philosophy is a 5 to 7 step drop, deep passing game. Unless Cutler gets an offensive line, he’ll get killed.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Nice analysis.
"Last season, we knocked on the door. Next season, we’re kicking it down."
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Good points. If Harris can elevate his play this next season though they’ll be much better. Alex Brown is also a solid guy. Peppers the second best DE in the North? Huh? I’m sorry but there is no way Allen is better then him. It’ll be interesting to see how Urlacher comes back from his wrist injury. They still have virtually no secondary though which is good news.
Aromashadu looked like a legit guy in the last half of the season but that’s happened with plenty of players (Ryan Grant :() so we’ll have to see if he can continue that this year. Aside from Williams at LT and Kreutz at C that OL is hurting. Unfortunately, ours is too :(.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
your an idiot...
if you dont think JA is the best DE in the north let alone the league… go post somewhere else moron
by supertrooper15 on Mar 5, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Watch it with the personal insults
Disagree all you want about who’s better, but don’t get personal. Read the community guidelines here
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
your does not equal "you are"
If you are going to insult someone, at least learn how to spell and use the language.
At least
Jared Allen shows up every week, and he’s a fun guy to watch
Peppers is just another baby on that team
From the only TRUE North division
by thewild_viking_twins on Mar 5, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Check the last 6 years (only ones Allen played)
by Jepp The Viking on Mar 5, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Haha all you guys are so angry! It’s not like I said the guy sucked or something. I do think is a bit overrated though. He’s definitely one of the better pass rushers in the league he isn’t very good against the run. Mostly because he gets up field so fast. Another thing to consider is 7.5 of Allen’s sacks came against Daryn Colledge (who was our back up LT. Who is a bad LG, and HORRID LT.) and T.J. Lang who was our 3rd string LT, starting in his first ever game. 2 more of those Allen sacks came against Orlando Pace as well. Sure, a sack is a sack but when 65% of them are coming against 2 guys who have no place playing LT in the NFL and one guy who should have retired 2 years ago that has to be taken into account.
He’s a really good DE, I just don’t think he’s the best one in our division with the arrival of Peppers.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
I should also say I think he is the 3rd best DE in the league behind Freeney and Peppers.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Green Bay site
Does Green Bay even have a site that you follow? You seem to be more interested in the Vikings than Green Bay. Why not just give your Green Bay things to Goodwill and buy some Viking jerseys?
Haha yes they do. I can assure you I’m not more interested in the Vikings! I just can’t get enough football, and enjoy talking football with a lot of the guys over here on DN!
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You are welcome here. I appreciate different viewpoints and respect anyone with a love for football. Keep posting!
by nycforvikings on Mar 7, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
hmmmm....
- DE in the NFL against the GBP…
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Mar 5, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
You're right about one thing
Allen is a bit of a liability in the run game, because he does always go waaay upfield. Other than that, however, I’d say he’s definitely tops. Freeney is good, but I wouldn’t say he’s definitely better than Allen. They’re comparable. Peppers is also a good DE… when he wants to be one. I guess we’ll have to wait and see what next season brings for sure, but I’d put my money on Allen having a bigger impact than Peppers does.
Both speed rush just as well as Allen (Freeney probably even better). The difference is both are much better bull rushers then Allen is, and both are stout against the run. Another thing to keep in mind is neither is playing with 2 All-pro DT’s. (Granted Freeney has Mathis on the other side.)
by packallday555 on Mar 6, 2010 1:21 AM CST up reply actions
2 sacks against Bears
2 more of those Allen sacks came against Orlando Pace as well.
That was actually against Shaffer, the Bears “swing” tackle. Pace shut him down while he was in there, but he got hurt.
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Haha thanks, actually strengthens my argument. So basically, 9.5 of Allen’s sacks came against backup LT’s! He is a good player, I just don’t think he’s the best.
by packallday555 on Mar 6, 2010 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
It's a Vikings site, pardon me for rank homerism, lol
All those guys you mentioned, though, aren’t any younger. Well, Harris is only 26, but he’s had a ruptured hamstring and has a chronic knee problem. Every guy on the Bears defense has a ‘yeah, but’ attached to him. Urlacher is the emotional leader of that team, but he’s been declining physically a full two years before his gruesome wrist injury. And yeah, they still have no one in the secondary.
On an unrelated note, you interested in being the Packers GM for our mock draft tomorrow?
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
True, true. I found myself thinking a lot of the same things about Urlacher and Harris at the start of this past season and both disappointed so who knows. Yeah, possibly. What time is it at?
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Tomorrow, 1 PM CST
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Ouch. I’m gonna have to decline. I have to work from 12-4. Thanks for the offer though :)!
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, no worries
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Hahaha
You can’t be serious. Peppers > Allen? Yeah, sorry. Not buying it. If anyone knows how awesome Allen can be, it should be a Packers fan. I don’t recall Allen ever having a season where he gets 2.5 sacks all season. . . Peppers had a huge season that payday season, and he didn’t even seem to wake up until the later part of last season. He’s a good DE, I’d love him on our team, but I sure as hell wouldn’t trade Jared Allen for him.
Everyone was also praising Jerry Angelo last season...
If I was a Bear’s fan, I would temper the enthuisiasm. Now if they nabbed Boldin… Then I’d be afraid.
Boldin just got traded to the Ravens
qho signed him to a 4 yr, $28 mil extension
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
the thing is that...
peppers had one good game last year and it was against us..maybe if you actually watched the games you would actually realize how great of a DE Jared Allen is…enough said Jared Allen is not just the best DE in the division he is the best DE in the league.
LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!
Haha I think I actually watched all of your guys game last year! Check above for why I don’t feel he is the best DE in the league or divison if you care.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
I usually agree with you
But this time I’ll have to disagree completely.
Let’s get some stats:
Peppers: 8 years in the league, 81 sacks, 30FF, 382 Total Tackles
Allen: 6 years in the league, 72 sacks, 21 FF, 331 Total Tackles
Statistically, Allen PWNS Peppers.
He is younger. He gets more attention from defenders. He plays a bigger role in opposite teams game planning.
How is Peppers better than him ?
"Last season, we knocked on the door. Next season, we’re kicking it down."
SKÖL VIKINGS!
SHOW YOUR HORNS!
Who were Pepper's D Tackles??
Allen plays with the Williams Wall, much better than the garbage Carolina teamed up with Peppers. Allen is great, no doubt, but its two different situations when the D has to worry about pressure from all angles rather than just one.
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He is younger. He gets more attention from defenders. He plays a bigger role in opposite teams game planning.
No he doesn’t. Kevin Williams draws the most attention from opposing teams.
Allen has played with the best DT tandem in the league. That makes things much, much easier on him. Peppers faces double downs nearly every down (except for when he played you guys :)), and is a more complete player as he is just as good against the run as he is at rushing the passer.
The more I think about, I actually would say Freeney is the best. If you watch him from play to play in a game, no one else consistently makes LT’s look like their 2 steps slower then him and 100 lbs. less then him.
by packallday555 on Mar 6, 2010 1:16 AM CST up reply actions
Regardless...
Whether Peppers plays when he wants….We need a younger, faster, more physical left tackle if we are going to put up with him for the next few years.
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by RileysCannibalJct on Mar 5, 2010 4:32 PM CST reply actions
+1
Or, and here’s a novel idea, one that’s apparently foreign to Chilly. We could help out said LT with a TE and RB to chip.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
YES!
PLEASE!
I suggested Jared Gaither in this thread, but apparently, most of the Vikings fans like McKinnie. (Definetely not my case).
"Last season, we knocked on the door. Next season, we’re kicking it down."
SKÖL VIKINGS!
SHOW YOUR HORNS!
Hey lets just wait
That’s right lets just wait until anyone who is worth a crap in the free agent market is gone.
Lets just sit idle while every team in our division gets better. We have to approach this as if Favre is not coming back. If he does then it’s a bonus. I sure hope we get it together & get some help before the draft. The other teams in are division are looking to unseat us. If we don’t do something that’s exactly what’s going to happen.
Our hands are kind of tied..
We can finally sign another teams UFA, but the contract is limited to 7 Mil. We didn’t really make a huge splash in FA last year either, and… well we got to the NFC Championship game. Just relax.
Chiming in
Thought I’d do some research on the Allen vs. Peppers debate. PFF has it close, but JA by a nose.
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Notable FAs
Granted, most of us probably believe that Westbrook has the biggest chance of getting signed, due to fitting in to our system well and past history with Childress. I, personally, would have preferred keeping CT, due to his productiveness, lack of injuries/concussions, and overall knowledge of our system without having to learn any idiosyncrasies.
However, what about other possibilities that haven’t been mentioned in this thread yet?
WR:Luckily, we have some pretty decent receivers now., but I think we missed out on Boldin, who is easily a steal at a 3rd round pick (and trade of 4th/5th picks). Beyond that, there is deep talent out there at this position:
Brandon Marshall
Vincent Jackson
Miles Austin
Steve Breaston
Laveranues Coles
Antwan Randle El
QBs: McNabb might very well be on the block, if we lose Favre.
Jason Campbell
Chad Pennington
RB: Pierre Thomas
Darren Sproles
LaDainian Tomlinson
Leon Washington
Le’Ron McClain
LenDale White
Jerious Norwood
Def: D’Qwell Jackson (I like this guy)
Nick Collins (another steal from the Pack)
Adewale Ogunleye (pay back Bears/he can play well against the run, while getting some sacks)
chester's gone now it sucks he went to da bears with peppers total stinger
but l.t. is out there and westbrook resign edwards and add maybe collins if we can and we are close to what we got because if brett doesn’t come back mcnabb is out there.
anyone
know the price for nmadi asomugha from the raiders
i thought i heard an outside chance of oakland trading him
i would give anything except 2 1st round picks
i would do this years 1 and 3rd
like we did with allen
also
i want rolle in the worst way
and i think mcnabb is ours if favre retires
also we need line help either as a FA or draft
A few thoughts on today's transactions...
First off, it sucks to lose Chester Taylor. Add to the fact that he went to the Bears, and as much as I hate to say it, he is the enemy now.
I have so much respect for that guy, though. He came in as a starter, put up a nice season with over 1200 yards rushing, and then got blindsided by AllDay’s drafting. And throughout the years now, he has handled himself with class and respect and never complained about his role.
I was hoping the Vikings would sign Chester long term and let him retire a Viking, where he would have been a rather beloved figure. But I understand his desire to be a more integral part of a teams offense, and his legs don’t have anything close to 31 year old mileage.
I’d say “Good luck Chester!” except he went to the Bears, so now I regretfully hope he fails miserably along with the new Redskins, the Chicago Bears.
That said, it looks like the Bears are putting together some solid pieces, although their biggest shortcoming is defense. Julius Peppers can’t play in the secondary, and their front four hasn’t exactly been a weakness to start with.
What the hell was Detroit thinking signing NB to a 25 mil deal? My guess is they are desperate to line anyone with two hands across from Charles Rogers. Teams in the NFC North are making some waves though (minus the Pack), and I think Detroit is on their way to stop being a guaranteed two wins for our division. They are shedding the loser tag, starting this season. Take that to the ATM.
The Vikes can make a move now, with the weird RFA rules in the uncapped year, losing Chester actually benefited us. I would like to see a move for the secondary now that we have some wiggle room, an we have some great backs to choose from to take Chesters spot. Westy, LDT, Thomas Jones, were all cut and available. Hope we move for one of them.
Looking forward to the draft. In the NFL, there is no “off-season”.
and just for a small plug....
Not sure if this is frowned upon, but if you are a MN resident and a hockey fan looking to rescue yourself from the down time doldrums, check out http://www.mnsportsnetwork.com over the next week and a half while we broadcast the boys state highschool hockey tournament from the X. I’ll be doing some color commentary and play by play, click my name for a bit more info. It helps ease the transition between the NFL offseason and the start of baseball season, while the Wild fight for a playoff spot.
Sorry if that’s not allowed, but hope it’s not a bannable offense.
Call me crazy
But I think we should have held onto the RB that doesn’t throw the ball onto the field. Just my opinion.
Since youstill have that "no #4" image as your icon
I’m not sure how I could NOT call you crazy. I got it last summer, even though I disagreed. Now, after last year … I simply don’t get it, period.
hey packdad555
i will concede that pep is better than mulletman69 when julius gets aaron to step out of the back of the endzone four times after being at least 20 feet away and not touching him because from my view point and the packer friend i took to the game to teach his how to lose properly, the brown stains between aaron’s inner thighs seemed to get more and more clear. it was in the east endzone and coincidently from row #12. since my friend couldn’t bare to bring his camera a kind viking fan snapped the shot and actually emailed it to him . we truely have the greatest fans don’t we. if you haven’t experienced it yet come watch the next loss in person we could use some packer cash to help build the next dynasty oops i ment stadium. why do i use all small letters? to help my little packer friends read . peppers will catch up with jared in 3 yrs. after completely rebuilding . in comes jp out goes bu brian is getting older than your o-line .lol
I think your thinking of Dan Orvlosky of the Detroit Lions maybe?
by packallday555 on Mar 8, 2010 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
everyone else
trust the triangle they have the plan.
Man, Nate broke my heart.
As a former Viking and founding member of sporting legacy over the last decade for the Nevada Wolf Pack(his brother and brother in law both played for the basketball team), I was pulling for him in his home town of Seattle. Now that he’s a Lion, he no longer exists to me.
Go Nevada Wolf Pack!
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