Vikings team needs, 2010
Free agency is upon us. The draft is soon to come. With the NFL owners opting out out of the collective bargaining agreement, and the Vikings subject to limits on signing Unrestricted Free Agents, there are still many opportunities to improve the team.
What needs to be done in terms of personnel to improve the Vikings this offseason?
Special Teams
The Vikings are mostly strong here. Ryan Longwell (K), Chris Kluwe (P), and Cullen Loeffler (LS) all do their jobs well. Percy Harvin (KR) and Darius Reynaud (PR) did well in 2009. The coverage and receiving teams overall did pretty well, but could use improvement.The punt coverage team allowed a couple of big returns against the Browns and Cardinals, but usually did well. As a whole, special teams were greatly improved in 2009.
The only likely move here might be to add a kickoff specialist. The other three teams in the conference championship games all had kickoffs that went deep into the end zone, usually preventing any return. Longwell cannot consistently kick the ball off deep into the end zone. Longwell would prefer to kick off himself, as he uses the kickoff to help him gauge his field goals, especially in windy conditions. Nevertheless, at key times, such as in overtime in the conference championship game, the Vikings were bitten by big kickoff returns. While Longwell is solid as the Vikings' place kicker, the need for a kickoff specialist, or an improved coverage unit, has increased in importance after 2009.
Chris Kluwe had a pretty good year. If he could improve the consistency of his punts, and pin teams deep a few more times, that would help the team.
Special Teams Needs: general improvement and possibly a kickoff specialist
Defense
The defensive line was very good in 2009. The Vikings should re-sign Jimmy Kennedy, and keep Ray Edwards and Fred Evans. If another team signs Edwards, for example, to an offer sheet, the Vikings should match it. It would hurt the team to break up the defensive line.
Pat Williams will be on the last year of his contract in 2010. Our great defensive tackle contemplated retirement, but is coming back for 2010. On the Vikings' line, Phat Pat plays nose tackle, and handles two gaps.
The Starcaps case is in the courts. If Kevin Williams and Pat Williams lose the case, they will be suspended for four games. It is imperative that the Vikings have two solid players behind them ready to go in case that happens.
Jared Allen and Kevin Williams are terrific. Enough can't be said about these All-Pros.
Brian Robison is an up-and-coming defensive end. At 6'3, some may say he is too short to play left defensive end, but on the other hand he is athletic, a big competitor, and has some good moves. He is used as a situational pass rusher currently, and does well in limited time. In 2009, he almost blocked a couple of punts.
In terms of depth, the defensive line is OK, especially if Jimmy Kennedy and Ray Edwards return. Jayme Mitchell and Letroy Guion will have a chance to step up and maybe earn more playing time.
At linebacker, the personnel are a bit unsettled. Brad Childress had a non-specific, positive report when asked at the Combine about E.J. Henderson. On the other hand, the recovering E.J. Henderson will not be running around until after the draft. The injury's effect on his career is unknown. To be on the safe side, the Vikings must assume the worst--that E.J. will miss the entire 2010 season. If a plan for success in 2010 without E.J. is in place, and he does return, that would be an added bonus for the team.
Ben Leber is still effective, but age is starting to catch up to him. His total tackles the last four years were 48, 67, 64, and 46. The lower number in 2009 might simply be a factor of the Vikings playing better defense. He missed some interceptions in the late regular season, but snagged one in the playoffs. Leber has played either strongside or weakside linebacker, depending on what depth chart is consulted. He covers the tight end on passing plays in Minnesota's defense.
Chad Greenway had a positive 2009 with six takeaways and 99 tackles. If he continues to improve each year, he is going to make the Pro Bowl sooner or later.
Jasper Brinkley was a great draft pick in the 5th round of 2009. He would have been drafted higher, but a knee injury caused his draft stock to fall. Brinkley has the speed to play middle linebacker in the Vikings' Tampa Two system. He did a good job filling in for E.J. Henderson last year. It's still too early to annoint Brinkley as E.J. Henderson's heir-apparent, but at this point, he is solidly the backup. If he can improve his coverage skills, he could solidify his position at the middle linebacker spot.
The linebacker corps might not have much depth beneath the three starters plus Brinkley. Heath Farwell is the Pro Bowl special teams ace. J Leman was a great college linebacker in Illinois. Kenny Onatolu is a key special teamer. All three would love a chance to compete as a linebacker in the defense, but have not yet had much of a chance in games. Erin Henderson was a key special teams player when available. He has played some linebacker for the Vikings, but not a lot of it.
The secondary is the biggest concern for the defense. Last year's starting cornerbacks both had injuries at the close of the 2009 season. Cedric Griffin's recovery from a torn ACL may allow him to return by the early to middle part of the season. Typically, a player does not fully recover from an ACL tear for two years. If that holds true in Griffin's case, he would not be truly 100% until late January 2012. He will play and contribute this season, though.
Antoine Winfield had a fracture in his foot. While the exact diagnosis is not known, he missed about half the season. When he returned he was not 100%. Recurring foot injuries often limit cornerbacks in their 30s. Many of us think that Winfield could play strong safety for the Vikings. Winfield is 5'9 but a brilliant tackler. On a radio interview with KFAN last year, Winfield stated that if he was asked to play safety, he would embrace the opportunity. Depending on the nature of the injury, switching to safety could prolong Winfield's great career because he would turn and cut on his feet less often. Finally, there is a rumor that Winfield's contract reduces his compensation if he plays a lot of nickel cornerback, so if true he might not wish to play a lot of nickel. Winfield's health status for the 2010 season is presumed to be good but shaky.
Benny Sapp, CB, filled in well for Winfield at left cornerback, but is as yet an unrestricted free agent. The Vikings should re-sign him. If Sapp is re-signed, he would likely play either left cornerback or nickel cornerback, depending on what happens with Winfield.
Asher Allen, CB, had a nice rookie campaign after the Vikings selected him in the third round of the 2009 draft. In his first game he got a sack and forced fumble. Despite playing only half the year, he picked off two passes. Allen is a competitive guy, and with another year to step up his game, he could be very solid. I think he has raw ability at the Pro Bowl level. In college, he played right cornerback. He can play anywhere, but he prefers to play on the right side. At this point, Asher Allen is the Vikings' possible starter at right cornerback until Cedric Griffin can return to his old job.
The only other cornerback currently on the Vikings' roster is DeAndre Wright, drafted by the Giants in 2009. He had an excellent college career in New Mexico. He was signed to the Vikings' practice squad after Winfield was injured in the Ravens game. The Vikings kept him and let drafted quarterback John David Booty go to another team. Wright was preferred over Booty. If Wright can step up in training camp, he has an opportunity to make the team this year.
At strong safety, the Vikings have starter Tyrell Johnson, Jamarca Sanford, and Eric Frampton. While Sanford took some playing time away from Johnson, Tyrell Johnson played well down the stretch. If Winfield moves to strong safety, all bets are off.
At free safety, Madieu Williams had kind of a rough year. While making 73 tackles, he missed several others and didn't get any interceptions. Husain Abdullah backs up Madieu and plays special teams. Madieu Williams played well in the playoffs. If Winfield moves to strong safety, Tyrell Johnson might be moved to free safety.
Overall, the Vikings defense finished #2 against the run, but was inconsistent against the pass. Teams naturally chose to pass on the Vikings heavily, and the pressure on the linebackers, cornerbacks, and safeties became immense. While the defensive line could cause enough pressure to prevent deep passes, the short and intermediate passes were there all too often. The Vikings need better pass coverage from the defensive backs and linebackers.
Defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier's defense is a 4-3 front, with Tampa Two looks. While the Vikings typically rely on the front four to rush the passer, Frazier does call up 46-style blitzes that he originally learned with the Bears. While Frazier maybe should tweak his schemes to improve them, his schemes did work quite often, even against good teams. The problem was that they did not consistently work against the good teams. Whether that was the scheme, the players not executing the scheme, or a combination of both, is something Frazier has probably considered.
Overall, the defense lacked consistency, especially against the pass. The defense does not have a lot of playmakers, especially if Winfield and Henderson are not 100%. Greenway could take another step up and become a defensive playmaker next year. The 2009 defense also lacked swagger. Especially when Henderson went down, the defense did not play with great confidence. In terms of confidence, the year 2010 can be different with all that big game playoff experience under their belts. Players like Jasper Brinkely and Asher Allen will be ready to go.
Defense Needs: The Vikings might draft a two-gap nose tackle to play under Pat Williams for a year and learn from the master. More immediately, for 2010, the Vikings need at least two solid defensive tackles behind the Williams Wall in case the suspension goes through. Between Fred Evans, Jimmy Kennedy, Letroy Guion, and possibly a drafted nose tackle, that might be enough. At linebacker, a starter-quality player who can play, and ideally start at, both the Mike and outside linebacker spots would add depth. In the secondary the needs are greater. The Vikings must draft another cornerback, and possibly two. A free agent cornerback might be added. The Vikings might consider drafting one or two safeties. The defense needs to add a playmaker to play linebacker or defensive back, and if that player brought his own swagger to the defense, and backed it up on the field, that would be welcomed.
Offense
Quarterback: Brett Favre. The living legend. We all know what a great year he had and how great he is as a quarterback. With more time to develop chemistry with the receivers, he could have another great year. But behind him, the coaching staff is looking for answers. If Favre retires, then the Vikings' needs at quarterback just come up faster. Tarvaris Jackson was tendered at the original round level. Sage Rosenfels is signed for a few more years. Even if both make it to the Vikings training camp (and I hope both do), the Vikings will draft a quarterback. Chances are, based on the low tendering of Jackson, that the Vikings will draft a quarterback relatively early this year. Less likely is a trade or free agency signing.
Running back: This might be the year for Adrian Peterson to get all the carries and opportunities with the ball that he could possibly want. Favre will be a year older, and Chester Taylor has signed with the Bears. On the other hand, if Peterson is unable to keep the ball consistently, he might have to share the load again with another back. If Peterson improves his game and carries the ball high and tight, like Tiki Barber did at the end of his career, that might help Peterson keep the ball. Peterson also needs to improve his pass-blocking, defense-reading, and pass-catching. If Peterson sheds the extra weight he put on in 2009, that might let him return to his previous quickness. Peterson is a great football player coming off a relatively down year. If Peterson can rise to the challenge in 2010, he will answer a lot of questions about what level of football greatness he has.
Percy Harvin will continue to contribute in the backfield on certain plays and as the wildcat quarterback. He might see more action as a running back in 2010.
Albert Young played at Iowa and is currently projected to be the Vikings' third down back. He can pass protect and catch the ball. He could also spell Peterson as needed. Ian Johnson could be the Vikings' third running back on the depth chart. Neither were drafted, but both have talent.
At fullback, Naufahu Tahi was tendered, and probably will remain a Viking. It is possible that the Vikings would bring another fullback into camp, though. It is not known. If the Vikings had a bruising 240 lb. fullback who could move a pile, and even carry the ball some that would be a bonus. Maybe that guy is Tahi. The Vikings haven't given Tahi any carries from the fullback position so far, even though he carried the ball well in college as a tailback. Jeff Dugan has taken some carries as fullback for the Vikings.
Receivers: Sidney Rice had a breakout year. If he keeps playing well and improving, he could reach elite status. Rice is an all-around receiver who can make possession catches and go deep. He can be a force.
Bernard Berrian was hampered for almost the entire year with some touchy hamstrings. Very often the injury report would say that Berrian could only get limited practice. He didn't have his greatest year. Some here at Daily Norseman have questioned whether he has good chemistry with Favre. My take is he didn't have much time in practice due to his hamstrings, and that prevented chemistry and rhythm from forming with Favre. Berrian is the Vikings' speed option at receiver. He typically draws double teams. The key for Berrian is to have smart conditioning and stay healthy for the whole year. If he does that, he could have a terrific 2010.
Percy Harvin, Rookie of the Year, was amazing. Now he has the challenge of building on that year and taking the next step.
Greg Lewis is famous for the amazing catch in the 49ers game, but he gives more than that to the team. He is a solid veteran presence. He should get a little more playing time on the field with the offense, in my view. He is a clutch performer. He could be used in key situations and big games.
Backups Jaymar Johnson and Darius Reynaud had good punt returns. Johnson caught a pass, but Reynaud was not thrown any. They just didn't see a lot of playing time, even with Berrian not 100%.
Vikings' receivers have had trouble with bump and run coverage. Their technique for getting off bump and run could improve.
With the injuries that Berrian sustained, a rotation system for the receivers might be useful to keep everybody fresh for the whole season.
At tight end, Shiancoe had his best year yet. His blocking could stand to improve. Jim Kleinsasser is still an amazing blocking force as a tight end. Jeff Dugan gives a lot of effort and is versatile. Garrett Mills hasn't had a lot of chances in games, but is said to have good hands.
Offensive line. Finally, we can get to the most important unit on the team (arguably). The Vikings use a zone-blocking scheme, and draft linemen with experience in the ZBS.
Left tackle is the most important position on the offensive line. In a recent interview, left tackle Bryant McKinnie was asked to explain his job to someone completely unfamiliar with football. He described himself as part of a team of bodyguards that protects Brett Favre, and that he is the chief of the bodyguards. That is a very accurate description. Left tackle is the most important position on the offensive line. McKinnie suffered a foot injury and fought through it. McKinnie should not be overly criticized by fans. He had his best year as a pro in 2009, and did deserve to go to the Pro Bowl for his work in the regular season. Until the Arizona game, when he was injured, he played great.
Left guard Steve Hutchinson is the rock of the line. He played above average but gave up some key sacks, such as in the Pittsburgh game. He also allowed the block of the field goal in the 49ers game that led to a return touchdown. Hutchinson has good years left, but he might be aging.
John Sullivan had a rough time in the early part of the season, but he came on strong at the end. He is mobile and was good at pass blocking. Some fans are not endeared of Sullivan, but he is young, he makes good line calls, and could improve his blocking. Behind him is Jon Cooper, who blocked for Adrian Peterson in college.
Anthony Herrera was average at right guard. In the first Bears game, he sustained a concussion. He missed the rest of that game and the Cardinals' game. After that, he returned but didn't play that great. His play has led fans to suggest the Vikings should upgrade the position. It's hard to know all the details, but Herrera played decently until the concussion. Furthermore, he played the whole year between two first-year players. Is he a weak link or a strong link? We fans don't really know for sure. Even if he loses his starting job, Herrera would make a valuable backup for the Vikings.
Phil Loadholt had a terrific rookie campaign. Like Harvin, his challenge now will be to build on that season, hone his skills, and just keep getting better. Loadholt took the bull by the horns and has a firm hold on the right tackle position.
Backup Ryan Cook was tendered. He can back up right tackle, right guard, center, and probably left guard. With his versatility and experience, he will hard to beat out in camp.
Artis Hicks is an unrestricted free agent. Rumors have suggested he will take offers to start on other teams. As the Vikings' backup left tackle, he would be tough to replace. In free agency, the Vikings could consider players like Orlando Pace or Tra Thomas for a backup job. Hicks was also the offensive line's 6th man, filling in at right guard when Herrera was injured.
The offensive line had tough times at the beginning of the year because Favre was taking a lot of hits. The rushing attack worked well. In the middle of the year, the passing game took off to the stratosphere, and the running game stayed consistent, but cooled down. By the end of the year, the rushing attack was getting stuffed consistently, and the passing game became inconsistent game to game. Some of that must be blamed on injuries to the offensive line, but lack of offensive line depth hurt the Vikings as well. A case could be made that the line should be kept together for continuity's sake. On the other hand, perhaps an opportunity to upgrade at right guard or center is too good to pass by. With Bryant McKinnie playing at a Pro Bowl level when healthy, and expecting to be healthy for 2010, there are very few players who could do a better job than him. Those players include Joe Thomas of the Cleveland Browns and others who are not available for trade.
A word of caution on the offensive line. The nature of their job is to get attention only when something bad happens. It's always easy to blame the offensive line when there is a quarterback sack or a rushing play is stuffed. Sometimes, it's not their fault. Furthermore, when the offense does well, that means the offensive line is doing well. They should get the credit that they deserve.
Offensive coordinator Brad Bevell put together a good offense in 2009, but it lacked consistency. The Vikings did not have a wide variety of running plays. Adding more variety to the rushing attack might help it succeed. Bevell has probably already considered whether the playbook or personnel needs improvement, or both.
Overall, the offense took a step forward in 2009. Getting more consistent production from both the rushing and passing attacks will be important in 2010.
Offense Needs: a quarterback of the future, offensive line depth, and maybe a starter at right guard, or possibly center. The temptation to add a guard in the draft is high because Steve Hutchinson is aging. If his heir-apparent could be added to the offensive line now at right guard, there would be less of a transition later when Hutchinson retires. The heir-apparent could move to left guard years from now when Hutch retires. Fullback might be close to a need. Adding another playmaker is always a need. That could be a running back, tight end, or wide receiver. The Vikings could add depth to the wide receiver position.
Future contract expirations. The Vikings could lose some key players to free agency in 2011. The list could include Adrian Peterson, Sidney Rice, Ben Leber, and Ray Edwards. As these are key players on the team, and losing them would hurt the team, the Vikings might consider that adding depth at those positions is a need in the 2010 draft. That way if those players are lost in 2011, at least the team will have some experienced players ready to take their place. Additionally, if those players are re-signed, the Vikings will have better depth overall.
Conclusion: The Vikings have a critical need to add talent at cornerback. Additionally, the Vikings need a quarterback of the future. There are some depth concerns. Due to the strong talent profile of the team, however, the Vikings can, for the most part, take the best players available in the draft at any position, adding depth. The Vikings might also draft players to challenge for playing time right away at right guard and safety.
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Solid profile of the team.
Defensive depth would probably be a good choice in the first round. After that I think largely depends on whether we plan on drafting a quarterback, which I think we should do.
I pretty much agree with everything you said. Defensive depth and some offensive lineman are our greatest needs.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Mar 6, 2010 12:07 PM CST reply actions
Good analysis
I agree with you in pretty much every area. Our secondary seems to be our biggest weakness so I would like to see a corner and safety drafted early or addressed through free agency. After the secondary I think guard is our biggest need. With this being a deep draft I think we’ll shore up our depth issues and hopefully find a starter or two.
Quarterback is always a question mark post Favre. I am one of the few who still likes Jackson and hope he gets another shot once Favre retires. Also wouldn’t mind a developmental prospect just to have competition and maybe find a diamond in the rough.
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Good analysis
Although I disagree on some points the only thing I will point out is your listed height of Robison. He is 6-3 and now weighs about 266. When he came out of college he was measured at the combine and all reports and sites list him at 6-3 and he was 259 pounds at the time. Here are some reports from the combine in 2007 and probably led to why we moved up to get him …
NFL Combine: Day Five, February 26th
By: Greg Davis
On Monday, the defensive linemen and linebackers took the field to participate in drills. Several items of interest developed.
Monday’s Big Winners:
Brian Robison, the Texas defensive end, benched a respectable 27 reps at 225 pounds on Sunday, and then used Monday to impress those in attendance. He posted the quickest Three-Cone Drill time among defensive linemen at 6.89, which was the only time under seven second, leaped the best broad jump in his group at 10’1", and posted the third fastest 40-yard dash time among linemen crossing the line in 4.67. His shuttle time was also one of the fastest on the day. Overall, he performed drills smoothly, and shined throughout the day. Robison definitely bumped up several draft boards.
Brian Robison – The “other” Texas defensive end, Robinson was the star of the combine, running a 4.67, and easily posting the best 3 cone, vertical jump, and broad jump. Robison also showed strength with 27 reps. He may get a chance to play some 3-4 OLB, at only 259 pounds, with his athleticism.
Talk about a workout warrior, Brian Robinson from Texas came to the combine in great shape. Only 6’ 3" 259 pounds, but he has huge thighs and is very explosive. He will probably be converted to outside linebacker in the NFL, but he put up some great numbers at the 2007 NFL Scouting Combine. He ran a 4.67 forty yard dash, 6.89 second 3-cone drill, 4.26 second 20 yard shuttle time and an amazing 40.50 inch vertical jump.
Brian Robison Texas 6-3 259 4.69
Outstanding. Tied highest vertical in Combine (40.5’). Broad jump 10’1". Benched 225 lbs. 27 times. He was disappointed with 4.69 40. Moved into Day 1.
It is time for Robison to play more often. That is why they tendered Edwards at the first round level only instead of the first and third. Teams that want to keep their guys and work out a new deal give their RFAs the first and third tender.
I think Edwards will be dealt. I also think that the Vikings will get no takers for TJack and he will leave after next year.
I bet Robison does play more in 2009. Even if Edwards stays with the Vikings, Robison could see more action.
Their front 4 was great last year but there were some halves of football where the pass rush was absent, and in the Tampa-2, we can talk about CBs, safeties and linebackers all we want, if the pass rush isn’t consistently there the defense will fail.
Jared Allen and Kevin Williams have both played an absurd number of snaps over the past two years; they need some depth. I know they don’t like being taken out for breathers, but it’d honestly be for the best if it could help them avoid some of those stretches where their burst just seems to go AWOL.
Robison’s been great in his role as a situational guy, filling in both outside and inside. It’d be nice to add one more guy like that. I think if Edwards signs elsewhere Minnesota would almost immediately have to tap into the great defensive line depth of this draft with the first rounder they would receive, even if Robison would be slotted into that vacant spot at end. I think Robison would probably do ok as a starter if needed, but depth is always critical up front.
Even if both Edwards and Robison are back, I could still even see them taking a guy like Brandon Graham if he fell and they deemed him BPA.
More likely, they’ll look for a situational type guy later on. There was a rumor a while ago on scout.com or something that Minnesota liked George Selvie out of South Florida. Maybe something like that is worth keeping an eye on.
I always wonder if Robinson could handle the run defense
Speed and agility are great against the pass, but when you have some big hogs paws grabbing the inside of your jersey and he’s trying to drive you backwards into Mecca you have to have some weight behind you or you’ll be a memory.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I always seem to
forget about Robison… and then he comes in the game, and I’m suddenly reminded why he’s still on the team. He doesn’t always get the sack, neither does Edwards, but in the few snaps he gets, it seems he almost always causes some disruption with the offensive line.
They have to find out if he can play
because he will be a UFA next year and he may leave to go and get the chance to play. Sometimes that is all a player really wants. To play!
Very true. All players feel in their heart that they should get more plays.
But don’t the coaches know since they see them every day in practice from the start of workouts all the way through the season. If your right we will see a lot of Robison. If he isn’t ready they will bring him along. I haven’t heard a bad word about him. But nobody is saying he is the next best DE in the NFL yet either.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
Excellent work MB. Very well presented.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
I know a good way to shore up the LB corps...
Just… you know… Get Kirk Morrison for only a 3rd rounder. Bam. We’d have a few too many bodies at the position this year, but next year we can let go of Leber, if we so chose, without taking much of a hit, and I’d trust him to be more consistant, and injury free, at MLB than I do Henderson.
Backup left tackle now a critical need
Artis Hicks has signed with the Redskins. The Vikings need someone to backup McKinnie. I don’t know if Tra Thomas or Orlando Pace can come in and learn the zone blocking system, but I bet they can. They could be available for cheap. Walter Jones of the Seahawks might be coaxed out of retirement, but that would require a trade with Seattle.
Another possibility is the draft.
We have options on the practice squad
We have Drew Radovich 6-5 305, Patrick Brown 6-5 303, & Chris Clark 6-5 315.
One of these guys just had a door opened. Radovich was looking good in preseason his first year but he got a little dinged up and then it was a numbers game.
The draft could definitely be a spot.
Don’t forget that Loadholt can play LT too. I would feel comfortable with him there for a short time.
If we draft a guy like Mike Johnson in round 2 or Zane Beadles in round 4 or 5, we would have two versatile linemen that project as guards but can play LT in a pinch.
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Thanks. That makes me feel better. As for Hicks, he has a right to go get a starting job. I wish him well.
Get offensive lineman
For the love of God sign Jahri Evans free agent from the saints. Maybe the best running back in Football AP will not be stuffed at the line next year and your quaterback will not be hit every play
It all starts at the O-line
That’s the key to the running game.
That’s the key to the passing game.
That’s the key to keeping Favre (or whoever’s under center) healthy.
We need to add some serious boost to the O-line, as a top priority in the draft, and if we can pick up someone very solid in FA, I say go for that too.
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I honestly think we can play with what we have on the o-line
It’s a position that people get better with as time passes. Do I think we need to replace Hrerra? Sure I do, however, unless we get a monster whoever steps in will be a new piece to that puzzle and everyone on the line works together. Knowing how the other guys work is part of what make a good line great.
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by Grime on Mar 9, 2010 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is an excellent point, and it can’t be emphasized enough. Offensive line continuity is valuable. It would be ideal if Herrera can come back next year, hold down his starting job, stay healthy, and play well all season. Along with the other four starers.
A good offensive line is a team working together and not just a collection of individuals.
That said, we should have somebody ready to plug in as a starter in case Herrera’s abilities are in steep decline.
Yeah pretty much on the head there
Hererra showed enough last year to worry me, but then I didn’t realize he had a concussion and other issues over that year. So I can’t tell if he’s as bad as I thought he was. McKinney, well he could be so much better. It gets by blood up every time I’m watching a play and I see everyone running around and McKinnie just standing there watching.
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No question that O-Line is a unity issue.
A lot has been written lately about changing the O-Line. Rarely can a team add two new members of the line and be successful that year. We were lucky enough to accomplish that. Yet people get upset that some of the older players looked out of sic. It made sense to me that maybe they were covering up some issues by the new guys. I don’t know. It just makes sense to me. I would be all for putting new blood in the back-up spots and having them become part of the unity. But I am really against the whole concept of adding new players to this line this year.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 9, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A Unity of Crap is still Crap
And that’s what the Vikings O-line was last year. There’s no point in pointing out how individuals made the Pro Bowl if, as you say, it’s all about unity and being in sync and working together as a unity.
What difference if Hutch holds the line but Peppers beats Load like a red-headed step-child and pounds Favre into the turf? The bottom line is still a Fail.
Favre was on the ground WAY too much last year… now if the Vikings think that, despite Favre’s very fast release, that was caused by an alignment of the stars and a Haitian Voodoo curse, then I want them to draft the best damned witch-doctor in the Caribbean and have him get to work with his dolls and pins. What matters is finding an effective solution.
Personally, I have to disagree with you on this one, Grime. The problem is in the O-line, it’s in a lazy LT and a weak RG, and a need for more depth. I’ll concede that Sully seems to be getting better at C, Hutch is still a Rock, and Load is picking up speed very nicely, especially towards the latter half of the year. I’m good with those three.
I’m not saying to boot McKinnie and Herrera. I saying they need to get top talent behind both of those positions, and get them in harness and working on being ready to replace them at a moment’s notice. I’m not so foolish as to think that the new guys will be ready to waltz to the Pro Bowl in the first game, but you need to start somewhere and the Vikings need to get their tails in gear and get started with upgrading a weak and porous O-line unit.
Because, all other considerations aside, if I were Favre, I’d tell Chilly to spend the game at QB himself and take the pounding, before I’d take a single ball hike again for the Minnesota Vikings with the lousy O-line pass protection and lousy O-line run blocking they had last year.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Mar 10, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol I respect that
And in the past I would have agreed with you 100%. As it falls now I agree more like 65%. The line was bad, it was also stuck with one rookie and a second year man who had never taken a snap. As well there were several injuries that caused us some pain. I guess I might have stated what I was thinking poorly. I do think we need to get new blood in the o line, especially in LT and RG however, after looking at the injuries and the relative newness of the group I have to believe it will be markedly better next year even if we do nothing to it. With all that said I would still draft Iupati next year if he was available, and I’m on board with mark’s idea for bringing Gaither over.
However, I think it’s about on par with a couple of other areas we have where before I thought it was our biggest weakness. Trust me I firmly beleive that most games are won at the line and I’m all for making it the best in the league like it used to be when Tice was coaching it.
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to add
To add to what Grime just said, above, the offensive line never asserted complete dominance except in games against inferior teams like the Lions and Rams. We never kept Favre clean, with him throwing 325 yards and 3 TD while AD ran for 125 and 2 TD. Maybe against one of those weaker teams.
In the beginning of the year, the line gave up a lot of sacks. The remedy was narrower splits. Then the running game slowed down to a crawl, and got shut down cold until very late in the year.
Our line couldn’t put in a fully dominant performance against a high-quality opponent.
Ideally, the whole line stays together and everybody plays better as a team and stays healthy. Even then, some quality depth must be added.
I keep thinking. Should we draft Roger Saffold in the 1st round just for the depth?
by medicineball on Mar 10, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
I would be happy if we drafted a line man first
However, our QB needs might make that a no show. It’s mostly because of the QB issue that I reglegate the line to more of a back burner. We need a CB to come in who can play well off the bat unless we pick up some help back there. So in my mind this is how our need goes (maybe not how our picks go though)
QB
CB
OLine
LB
RB
Oline or DB
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Bang for Buck
If the Vikings can’t bring in top O-line talent in the draft at #30 because it just isn’t there, I understand they have to work with what they got. And besides, they’ve proved in the past and Speilmann stated outright that in the first round, they take the BPA, period. So who knows what we’ll get…. we can only hope and pray that it lines up with need.
Last year’s injuries are a case-in-point. If there was top emerging talent behind McKinnie, Mac could have sat down and healed up while at least competent relief held down his end of the line. But it wasn’t there.
I have a feeling that the BPA will turn out to be a QB….. whoever’s best and still available.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
draft history
The last time we took an OL in the first round was Bryant McKinnie in 2002. If Maurkice Pouncey, Charles Brown, or some other true #1 talent is there at pick #30, we should take him. I don’t think Saffold is a first rounder, though. If we wanted him, we should trade down and get him in the early 2nd.
by medicineball on Mar 11, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
that one sack in the Panthers game
“if Peppers beats Load”
On TV, the announcers said it was caused by a communication issue between Loadholt and Tahi. As for whose fault it technically was, it doesn’t really matter. The point is, the team gave up a sack on that play, and overall, too many sacks and pressures during the season.
by medicineball on Mar 10, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Team Needs IMO (not necessarily draft order)
1. QB. No “developmental” guys either, we have one already. We need a winner that will be ready to go in 2011 when Favre retires for the last time.
2. Cornerback. QB should be 1A and corner 1B. We need help here mainly due to the injuries suffered by Winfield and Griff. Asher Allen will be solid in nickel, but we need to add someone that could start on the outside. Probably should be addressed no later than round 2.
3. Oline. McKinnie’s passion, Hutch’s durability, Herrera and Sully’s ability…what do they all have in common? That’s right, theyre all in doubt. We need to at least draft a G for 2011. Address this area in round 3.
4. DT. It’s been a cornerstone of this defense for the last 3-5 years. But our guys are getting long in the tooth. Since we are drafting for depth this year, we can wait till round 3 or later to address.
5. LB depth. EJ’s injury, Leber’s age, and lack of playmaking ability make this a position of need. With guys like Weatherspoon and Daryl Washington, we might actually address this position very early.
other potential positions:
TE and safety.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Yeah the QB question is what end up getting me when I look to make a draft
Who do we pick, where will they land. Is there anyone in this class that I think could start after a year behind someone else… Man I seriously wish we just had one already… How much you think San Diego would want for Rivers… Or Dallas for Romo.
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Are you at all interested in Derek Anderson?
I say sign him and draft a rookie. Trade TJack to Cleveland for a 3rd or 4th rounder. Go into camp with #4, Derek Anderson, Sage and a rookie (McCoy). Let Derek and Sage battle it out for number 2 spot, keep rookie as 3rd.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Actually I was looking at Anderson
He shows flashes of brilliance, just not getting it done consistantly however, it would be interesting to see what he can do. He was cut correct? So we wouldn’t have to use a draft number on him would we? Because that would kill the deal.
Right now I hate to say that Colt and Tebow are the QB’s I see as falling to the Vikings.
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Yes, Anderson released (cut)
He also played for a really bad team…
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
A couple of updates
Jimmy Kennedy was signed to a two-year deal. That shores up the defensive tackle position.
Benny Sapp was re-signed. That helps shore up the cornerback position.
E.J. Henderson has said he will return to playing football, and could be ready by August. This is great news. Go, E.J.!
Finally, the Favre saga continues. Whatever he decides is fine with me. Of course, we want him to come back.

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