Roster and draft: defense
Earlier, the offense was considered in light of the current roster and the impending draft. It is now time for the second half of this series, focusing on the defense.
Defensive line depth
LDE - Ray Edwards, Jayme Mitchell, Mike Montgomery
NT - Pat Williams, Jimmy Kennedy
DT - Kevin Williams, Fred Evans, Letroy Guion, Tremaine Johnson
RDE - Jared Allen, Brian Robison
The defensive line is the strength of the team, and in a sign that the front office is doing a good job, also the highest-paid unit on the team. Enough can't be said about Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, and Jared Allen. Ray Edwards, 25, is emerging as a potential star. In addition to four quality starters, the Vikings have good backups, including Jimmy Kennedy, Brian Robison, and Fred Evans. During games, the Vikings use a rotation system, so all defensive linemen active for the game typically see some action. Jared Allen has played nearly every down as a Viking, but his backup, Brian Robison, is so talented that he has seen time at left end and tackle.
In terms of transition, Pat Williams, 37, is playing on the last year of his contract, and things suggest he will retire after the 2010 season. Ray Edwards and Fred Evans were both tendered as restricted free agents. Jimmy Kennedy, 30, was re-signed through 2011. Brian Robison's contract runs through 2011. Kevin Williams will turn 30 in August.
With Edwards's status as a restricted free agent, the Vikings could negotiate a long-term extension with him between now and the start of free agency in 2011. Otherwise, Edwards could sign elsewhere as a free agent, and the Vikings would have to look to Brian Robison, Jayme Mitchell, Mike Montgomery, or another player to start at LDE. The starter at LDE for 2011 and beyond is likely to already be on the roster. My guess is that Edwards will be re-signed.
At nose tackle, however, the future starter is not as clear. Jimmy Kennedy is signed through 2011, and has become the probable heir-apparent to Pat Williams. If Kennedy impresses, the Vikings might extend that contract to a longer period. If not, the Vikings may turn to another player at nose tackle by 2012. Some feel that Kevin Williams may shift to nose tackle. Kevin Williams is more of a penetrator, though, and I think he will stay at the three-technique "under tackle" position.
While hopefully Jimmy Kennedy will have a great run like Pat Williams is having in his 30s, he will still need a backup behind him. For that reason, the Vikings should be looking at adding a backup or developmental nose tackle through the draft this year. This player needs to project as a nose tackle, plus have durability and a good work ethic. East Carolina's Jay Ross is a durable hard working nose tackle who helped his fellow Pirate linemen do great things. He will be available in the later rounds.
One player the Vikings need to consider is Brian Price out of UCLA. He is projected as a three-technique defensive tackle, and seems to have a lot of talent. Due to the stacked draft, he is likely to be available when the Vikings make the 30th pick of the draft in the first round. On the one hand, he might be the best player available. On the other hand, where could he fit on the roster? It wouldn't help the Vikings much to spend a first-round pick on a backup, especially when Fred Evans already does a very good job in that role. While Brian Price might be the best available player, this might be one time when the Vikings have to not draft the BPA simply because they couldn't give Price enough playing time, unless a role could be found for him.
To a lesser extent, Jared Odrick, defensive tackle, Penn State, is another player that the Vikings might have to pass on because he couldn't get enough playing time to justify the pick. Odrick can play 3-4 defensive end, as well as the 4-3 three-technique. He will probably be gone before the 30th pick.
The defensive line starters in 2010 are set. The backups are nearly set. In 2011, there could be one or two different starters on the defensive line.
Linebacker depth
SLB - Chad Greenway, Heath Farwell, Kenny Onatolu
MLB - E.J. Henderson, Jasper Brinkley
WLB - Ben Leber, Erin Henderson, J Leman
The 2009 season saw an injury to a starter, and a young player rise up and take on the challenge. The 2010 season is likely to be the season in which the reserve linebackers are asked to do even more.
E.J. Henderson, 29, is said to be recovering nicely after breaking his leg last season. Jasper Brinkley put his name down firmly as Henderson's heir-apparent by doing a good job filling in for the Vikings' field general. With Brinkley unlocking his potential, I don't think the Vikings will consider middle linebacker to be a position of need in the draft. Even if Henderson begins the season on the PUP list, and misses the first eight weeks or so, Brinkley should be able to handle the load during that time.
Chad Greenway has a chance to take another step and potentially make the Pro Bowl in 2010.
Ben Leber, 31, had another solid campaign. but did not convert on several turnover chances at the end of the season. He did intercept a pass in the playoffs, however. Some of Leber's statistics, like number of tackles, declined in 2009. That may be just a statistical lark, and nothing to worry about. On the other hand, Leber might be on the decline. Leber is signed through the 2010 season. Regardless of whether he is in decline, or not, the Vikings might not have Leber in 2011. If Leber's last-season difficulties continue into 2010, the Vikings may need to spell him more often with a reserve linebacker. Leber is a great Viking, and we hope he continues to produce at his level. Realistically, though, the Vikings need somebody ready to step into his shoes if need be.
Leber will typically cover the tight end on pass plays. Pass coverage is something that many young linebackers struggle with. Replacing Leber will be a challenge for whomever is asked to do the job. That might be Erin Henderson, J Leman, or even Chad Greenway.
The Vikings have three excellent starters at linebacker, and one proven backup. Practically speaking, one starter, E.J. Henderson, may miss significant portions of the season as he rehabilitates his leg. In addition, it time to consider the possibility that Ben Leber might retire or leave the team after the 2010 season, and may need to be substituted for significantly during the 2010 season. While the Vikings have three starters and one proven backup, there is a need for a fifth reliable linebacker who can play significant amounts of time on defense if called upon, and be a strong positive on defense.
I'm hoping that one (or more) of the Vikings' reserve linebackers is able to step up and contribute to the defense. Maybe Erin Henderson, Heath Farwell, Kenny Onatolu, or J Leman will become that fifth quality linebacker who sees a lot of playing time on defense and contributes in 2010. The oppportunity is there.
The Vikings are likely to draft a linebacker. Perhaps that newly drafted linebacker comes in and contributes right away, or maybe is just groomed for later, while playing special teams in 2010.
If a linebacker prospect has 4.7 speed or better, and can play both middle linebacker and outside linebacker, and is skilled in pass coverage, that player would be high on the draft board for the Vikings. While Missouri's Sean Weatherspoon would fit the criteria, there is only a slim chance that he could fall to the Vikings in the first round. Alabama's Rolando McClain will be long gone. Other possibilities in other rounds are Sean Lee, Eric Norwood, Rennie Curran, A.J. Edds, Simoni Lawrence, Nate Triplett, Daryl Washington, Donald Butler, Phillip Dillard, Pat Angerer, Roddrick Muckelroy, Dekoda Watson, and Jamar Chaney. If the Vikings target a linebacker as a successor to Ben Leber, that player should be: 6'3 or 6'4 or taller to match up well with tight ends, quick on his feet, mentally quick, and good at pass coverage. That list eliminates some of the above names. For example, 5'11 Rennie Curran is highly talented but would not be the ideal choice to cover tight ends simply because of his height. On other other hand, Ben Leber's heir-apparent may already be on the roster.
The Vikings probably will draft a linebacker, but at this point it's unknown what role they will ask that linebacker to play. I am optimistic that the linebacking corps will meet the challenges they face and play great in 2010.
Secondary depth
LCB - Antoine Winfield, DeAndre Wright
NCB - Benny Sapp
RCB - Cedric Griffin, Asher Allen
SS - Tyrell Johnson, Jamarca Sanford, Eric Frampton
FS - Madieu Williams, Husain Abdullah, Colt Anderson
The secondary played hard all season in 2009, despite the bedeviling foot injury Pro Bowler Antoine Winfield suffered. While the secondary was decent, and at times shut down opponents, it didn't reach Super Bowl quality consistently enough. The worst news came at the end. As bad as Winfield's injury was, Cedric Griffin suffered a worse one in the lategoing against the Saints: a torn ACL. Recent reports suggest the rehab is slow.
Chances are Griffin may start the season on the PUP list and miss maybe the first eight weeks or so of the season. The general expectation for Winfield's injury is that he will be at full strength by the new season's start, although I can't help but wonder if the same issue won't occur again if he keeps playing cornerback. Cornerbacks put a lot of pressure on their feet.
The key for both Griff and Winfield is to take whatever time is necessary to heal up the right way. As someone noted recently, former Vikings safety Orlando Thomas rushed back from a torn knee ligament, and was never the same. These days, incidentally, Thomas still cheers for the Vikings from his home in Louisiana, while he beats his ALS like he used to intercept quarterbacks.
Benny Sapp was re-signed. Asher Allen stepped up as a rookie last year, and is on the path to become a good NFL cornerback. Karl Paymah was allowed to go to another team and now plays for the 49ers.
Charles Gordon hasn't played for the Vikings since 2008 after his broken leg on the punt return against the Packers. He tried to come back last year and was at training camp. He did not make the team. This is a new year, and as a Charles Gordon fan and Vikings fan, it would be great to see Gordon show up at camp again and win a job with the team. We'll see.
DeAndre Wright was drafted last year by the Giants, and spent about half the year on the Vikings' practice squad. He was good in college at New Mexico, and he'll have a chance to win a roster spot with the Vikings.
In all, however, it appears that the Vikings could be a little short at depth in the cornerback position. With the draft looming, it appears likely that the Vikings will draft a cornerback at some point. It's possible, but less likely that the Vikings could draft two or even three cornerbacks. Potential prospects include Devin McCourty, Kareem Jackson, Chris Cook, Amari Spievey, Walter McFadden, Alterraun Verner, and many others.
At the beginning of the 2009 season, cornerback Walter Thurmond was the leader of the Oregon Ducks' defense. He was projected as a first or second round draft choice. He stood out for his interceptions and playmaking ability. Then he tore three ligaments in his knee on a kick return. Now he is projected as a later-round pick. Thurmond is rehabbing, but it isn't known when he'll be at full-strength. If the Vikings draft him as a second or third cornerback, he could be a valuable player later in the season, or even for the 2011 season, if he spends his rookie season on IR.
Now that the NFC North has become a passing division, and seemingly the entire NFL is going pass-happy, continuing to ramp up the secondary seems like a priority for the Vikings, along with every other team.
At safety, starters Tyrell Johnson and Madieu Williams played well at times, and may have the wherewithal to return in 2009 and play better. Recently, the Vikings said they want more aggressiveness out of the safety position. Can Madieu Williams and Tyrell Johnson fulfill that requirement? I hope so. We will see. The Vikings need a contingency plan if one or both cannot.
One possibility is to move Antoine Winfield to strong safety. Winfield is an elite tackler, and has good coverage skills. As a wiley veteran, he could make the transition more smoothly than otherwise. What is compelling about moving Winfield to strong safety is that it would place the Vikings' best defensive back in the middle of the field, where he can make more plays. This would trade depth at cornerback for depth at safety. I think this should be done.
Another possibility at strong safety is for Jamarca Sanford to step up and become the starter. He did well when called on in 2009. As a second-year player with limited experience, it might work, or it might not. It's an unknown to us fans.
Free safety makes play-calls to an extent. Ideally, a veteran plays the position, although Orlando Thomas did very well as a free safety as a rookie. Madieu Williams is good in coverage, but his tackling in 2009 did not always match the free safety job description. Another option at free safety is Tyrell Johnson, if he is displaced from strong safety.
If Eric Frampton, Husain Abdullah, or Colt Anderson can rise to the occasion and challenge for a chunk of playing time at safety, now is the time.
The Vikings must be tempted to draft one or two safeties. The top two, Eric Berry and Earl Thomas, will be long gone in the first round. Taylor Mays may slip to the Vikings, but the talk recently has suggested he would be a liability in most schemes due to his inability to cover and his inconsistent tackling. That leaves other safety prospects like Nate Allen, Larry Asante, Major Wright, Reshad Jones, Myron Rolle, Darrell Stuckey, and T.J. Ward. In later rounds, Jeromy Miles of UMass, Barry Church of Toledo, or Darian Stewart of South Carolina might interest the Vikings.
At cornerback the primary concern is depth. Yet, I'm optimistic that the younger cornerbacks will rise up and help veterans like Cedric Griffin, Antoine Winfield, and Benny Sapp meet the challenge. At safety, the primary concern is level of play. Again, here I'm optimistic that Madieu Williams and Tyrell Johnson can play more aggressive, and be more effective. Winfield could add punch to the safety position as well, and the safety position might improve from the younger players on the roster or through the draft.
Summary
The Vikings have room to improve on defense. The 2010 draft appears to be rich in defensive talent. If the Vikings use their draft picks wisely, they can select a number of future defensive starters in this draft, while still leaving room for a few draft picks for the offense.
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Nice descriptive post
Thanks for the breakdown of the current Vikings roster. Great job in your two posts.
11 D-Line
11 DBs
8 LBs
10 O-Line
5 RB/ FBs
4 TEs
6 WRs
3 QBs
3 Special Teams specialist
This is 61 players plus the 8 draft picks. This is a long way from a 53 person roster. We are going to have to steel ourselves for a turnover in the bottom half of the roster. These new rookies will have more potential than some of our experienced non-starters.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
great post
If your not careful you could be writing for DN!
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Apr 2, 2010 9:42 AM CDT reply actions
question
were we getting burned by TE’s due to poor safety play or LB play or both?
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Apr 2, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions
I would like to see substancial playing time from all
at least on special teams. STROND LINEMAN & SPEEDY PLAYMAKERS that can go in and show starter quality on select plays .
Good post again my good man………………………
Good post
You were more objective and didn’t play favorites like you did on your offensive report ;-).
After reading it, I am convinced that we must address the cornerback postition in this draft; early and often. The injury issues are alarming. The problem is, can a rookie corner come in and make an immediate impact?
One thing missing from your analysis on the prospects on this position is who will be the best fit for our scheme? A lot of folks have dismissed Kyle Wilson from Boise due to his perceived lack of toughness/aggressiveness. However his combine numbers on the bench press (27 reps) clearly state otherwise. At Boise, we was utilized primarily as a shut down corner so we might not see him heavily involved in run support on film.
Several mocks have us selecting Devin McCourty from Rutgers. I will admit that living in the west didnt allow me to see many Rutgers games this season. But everything I hear about him is positive. I did get to watch him perform at the combine and he didnt disappoint. But will he fit our scheme?
I don’t feel as strongly as others about our need to draft a safety. I know our guys aren’t very sexy right now, but they don’t have to be. If they can take better angles on the ball carrier and wrap up when they get there, I will be happy. If either Williams or Johnson can’t get it done, I am confident that Sanford can.
Defensive line should be addressed, especially since one of the guys you mentioned, Price or Odrick, might be on the board at #30. Either would be hard to pass on, even with our current depth at 3 tech. One of my favorite guys flying under the radar is Cal’s Tyson Alualu. He has a motor that doesn’t quit. He is more of a pass rushing DT, so he too will also be better suited to play 3 tech. But if we get him in the 3rd or 4th round, there won’t be as much pressure for him to start in year 1.
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Nice post, camp's gonna be interesting
Quandary on the 1st round pick, hard to draft a guy who might not start. In a way I think we need a couple DBs, but maybe not. Madieu didn’t earn his whole paycheck, just seemed he wasn’t where he was supposed to be sometimes. Tyrell Johnson appeared to play tentative, or half a step late. Hopefully he has a breakout year 3. Sanford might be able to step up, I like seeing in action. I think they may draft as many as 6 guys on D, but I can’t imagine we’ll keep that many. Deep and talented is a nice problem to have. Trade up? If you think you can get the 4 or 5 guys you want, why not.
Big rumors
Vikings may trade for Haynesworth
We’ll see where this is going.
Lito Sheppard, CB is signed. He apparently was told that Griffin will not be able to start the year, as Sheppard expects a chance to start at least at the beginning of the year. Considering the time it takes to truly rehabilitate from an ACL tear, it’s smart that the Vikings seem to be delaying Griffin’s return to the starting line up. I want Griff to have a nice long career, not risk shortening it.
Haynesworth update
He is not headed to the Vikings according to the very latest.
Assuming this is true, I can’t fault the Vikings for picking up the phone and thinking hard about it. When a great player like Haynesworth becomes available, you have to give it a good hard thought.
by medicineball on Apr 22, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
current cornerback depth chart
LCB: Cedric Griffin, Lito Sheppard, Asher Allen
NCB: Benny Sapp
RCB: Antoine Winfield, DeAndre Wright
That’s six players. The Vikings will probably carry five cornerbacks. Cedric Griffin might start the season on the PUP list.
If the Vikings want to move Winfield to strong safety, there is room for another cornerback.
Draft picks
With the draft and undrafted free agents, the Vikings add
Chris Cook, CB
Everson Griffen, DE
Nate Triplett, LB
Terrell Skinner, SS
Angelo Williams, CB
There are a couple of other defenders who are getting tryouts.
Secondary depth improved
This is just one fan’s rough sketch.
LCB – Antoine Winfield, Asher Allen, Chris Cook, DeAndre Wright
NCB – Benny Sapp
RCB – Cedric Griffin, Lito Sheppard, Angelo Williams
SS – Tyrell Johnson, Jamarca Sanford, Eric Frampton, Terrell Skinner
FS – Madieu Williams, Husain Abdullah, Colt Anderson
The eight cornerbacks include two longer-shots, Wright and Williams. The other six are in good position to secure a roster spot at CB. The Vikings have typically kept only five cornerbacks on the 53-man roster, however.
With the depth at cornerback, the Vikings could place Griffin on the PUP list or even IR. If Griffin returns in the middle of the year from the PUP list, though, the Vikings would have a tough decision on who to cut in the middle of the season to make room for Griffin.
the "Winfield to safety" option
If Winfield moves to safety, the depth chart might look like this
LCB – Lito Sheppard, Chris Cook, DeAndre Wright
NCB – Benny Sapp
RCB – Cedric Griffin, Asher Allen, Angelo Williams
SS – Antoine Winfield, Jamarca Sanford, Eric Frampton, Terrell Skinner
FS – Madieu Williams, Tyrell Johnson, Husain Abdullah, Colt Anderson
by medicineball on Apr 27, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
MB
Can you do a projected 53 man roster plus 8 person practice squad spread. Maybe show us who is competing for the last spots on the charts? I sure admire the handle you have on the squad’s depth.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 27, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
expectations
First of all, thank you for your kind words, LLV.
I could try to do as you ask, but what I hope is that we get some players that seem to come out of nowhere and earn a roster spot and surprise everyone by how good they are.
My take on the draft is that while it is important, what really matters is what happens after the draft. Take Jamarcus Russell. On the day he was drafted, he was ahead of his quarterback peers. As time went on, however, some others worked hard and maximized their talents, while Russell did not. Eventually, Russell lost his lead over his peers, and slowly became the draft bust we know today. As Russell exits the NFL prematurely, a Kevin Kolb for example will stick in the NFL and have some success.
On the other hand, a draft pick like Kevin Williams started out ahead of his defensive tackle peers, and through hard work and perseverance has maintained his lead, or even widened it. A draft pick like Jared Allen started out behind his defensive end peers, and through hard work and perseverance passed them and took the lead.
It’s not so much who they are today, it’s who they are in the process of becoming.
What really matters for all of the players, rookies, veterans, and all of them, is what happens now, what they do now, how they train, and how they prepare.
It’s possible that we could take last year’s roster, add some players, and subtract some players, but what I hope is that a player we don’t expect really shines and breaks with expectations. But there is no way to know now who that could be. For that reason, putting together a projected roster wouldn’t really be a prudently hopeful exercise, it would either be overly cautious or wildly optimistic.
The general expectation is that all of the starters from 2009 will return in 2010. The main question mark is based on what Favre decides to do. The other questions are whether Tahi will keep his job at fullback, and what the secondary depth chart will become. Reserve jobs are always up for grabs. Ultimately, though, it would benefit the team if a hard-working player defies expectations and earns a job that no one expected.
by medicineball on Apr 27, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW- Well spoken.
This is exactly why we try and draft character on the team. Russell will always have his money but he will always carry the Ryan Leaf stigma. It is very hard to realize the value of a high reputation when your young. Hopefully we can have a locker room full of high character guys with great reputations. That makes success much easier to accomplish.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 28, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
expectations
That said above, what is my expectation for the players we added, based solely on where they are now (admitting that this information could be proved wrong over time.)
Chris Cook, CB – He will be a reserve cornerback and special teams contributor for the Vikings in 2010. He will get a lot of playing time on defense and do well in coverage, and not so great at tackling. In 2011, he will have bulked up and start at CB.
Everson Griffen, DE – He will be a reserve defensive end and get a lot of playing time this year.
Nate Triplett, LB – He will make the team and play special teams. He will also back up Jasper Brinkley and Ben Leber this year.
Terrell Skinner, SS – He will make the practice squad
Angelo Williams, CB – 5’11, 186 lbs, 4.46 speed. CBS ranked him as the 88th best cornerback in the draft class. I have no other information about him. He is an UDFA and could earn a spot on the practice squad if he is good enough.
Does Webb beat out Jamar Johnson or Lewis for last WR spot?
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 28, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
depends
Last year, the Vikings kept six receivers: Berrian, Rice, Harvin, Greg Lewis, Reynaud, and Jaymar Johnson.
The three locks (or near-locks) to make the team are Berrian, Rice, and Harvin of course. I think Lewis is very likely to make the team as a proven veteran and he also contributes on special teams. Reynaud is now a running back. If he keeps his punt returning job, the Vikings might keep an extra running back for his spot. For that reason, the Vikings might only carry five wide receivers this year.
While everybody has to earn their spot, the most vulnerable roster spot is held by Jaymar Johnson. Nevertheless, Childress has described him in the past as the hardest-working player on the team. Johnson caught the only pass thrown his way last year. Webb has better height and athleticism than Johnson..
At this point, it looks like a battle between Webb (athleticism) and Johnson (hard work). At this point, it’s impossible to say who will win that battle.
by medicineball on Apr 28, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
on Cook bulking up
The main thing is for him to get stronger. He benched only seven reps. He needs to add some strength while keeping his flexibility, fluidity, and quickness. By “bulking up” I don’t mean putting on a lot of weight.
by medicineball on Apr 28, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions

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