Keep Your Friends Close But Your Enemies Closer, Detroit Edition
Maybe the title is a bit misleading. I mean, does anyone feel anything other than pity for Detroit? The Vikings have been rivals of the Bears, Packers, and Lions my entire life, yet I don't have a natural dislike or hatred for the Lions that I do the Bears and Packers. They haven't had a winning record since 2000, haven't been to the playoffs since 1999, and last won a playoff game when President Bush was in office. That would be George HW Bush, and the year was 1991. Before that win, they last won a playoff game in...and I'm not kidding...1957. Before the Vikings even existed. Holy and crap. Show of hands when you look through the VIkings schedule and mentally check off two wins for Detroit games. Yeah, that's what I thought. Me too. Well, Viking fans, it may not reflect in the record just yet, but Jim Schwartz and company have started to put the NFL version of the Titanic in reverse, and are moving away from the iceberg.
The Lions seemingly have a top five or ten draft pick every year, and every year we get to laugh at whoever it is they whiff on, be it Joey Harrington or one of the 46 wide receivers they drafted this last decade. Well, they aren't whiffing anymore. Their last three top picks have been WR Calvin Johnson, T Gosder Cherilous, and QB Matthew Stafford. All three will be cornerstone players for them for at least the next decade. Johnson is developing into a beast as a WR, Cherilous a good LT, essential for developing a good offensive line, and Matthew Stafford may be the most impressive of them all. Why do I think this? Look at this video. It's inspiring as hell. Now, look at this video. Tell me, who would YOU want to play for? I would bust my ass for Matthew Stafford, and that is the kind of attitude teammates love, and it's also the kind that makes players around him better. Stafford has what my old coach called 'want to', and that, my friends, is something you can't teach.
The Lions also have a good coach in Jim Schwartz, and most importantly, they DON'T have Matt Millen to screw up their drafts. Schwartz oversaw their 2009 draft, which landed a bevy of potentially great players. Matthew Stafford was drafted first overall, and TE Brandon Pettigrew (also a first round pick with Stafford), DB Louis Delmas, and LB DeAndre Levy were also high round draft picks that have paid off early. You could make an argument for Delmas as defensive rookie of the year had he played on any team other than Detroit.
Schwartz also has the #2 pick in the draft this year, and signs seem to indicate they are leaning towards one of two premier DT prospects in Ndamakung Suh or Gerald McCoy, as they have signed veteran DE Kyle Van den Bosch and DT Corey Williams in free agency, presumably to help mentor and develop McCoy or Suh, either of which has the potential to terrorize NFC North quarterbacks for a decade. Assuming they do draft one of the two DT's, the Lions now will have a legitimate defensive line, capable of disrupting the run and rushing the passer. They also went out and got WR Nate Burleson. They paid a lot of money for him, but they want him to reprise his support role he had opposite Randy Moss in 2004 for Calvin Johnson in 2010. Burleson was an exceptional #2 guy in Minnesota, but floundered as a #1 in Seattle, who ended up signing TJ Whosyourmomma to become their #1 guy last year. Ironically, Burleson had his best season since 2004. With Johnson, Burleson, and Pettigrew to throw to, look for Stafford to have a pretty good year.
The Lions still need a lot of help, both on offense and defense, so I don't want to give the impression that this is a team a move or two from the playoffs. It's not. They still need help on the offensive line, running back, cornerback, linebacker, and depth all around. But this IS a team on the cusp of respectability, and there are two things I am sure of:
1) Schwartz and the front office are moving this team in the right direction.
2) As a Vikings fan, I miss Matt Millen.
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i predict
that this years playoff picture will include the Vikings, packers and oh yes the the lions, though they will loose their first game. Bears are bears, and it doesnt matter if you do not make a change at the head coach. I like the lions, is that bad? SKOL VIKES! (havent done that in a long time)
Agreed. We need to take the Lions very seriously this year.
by medicineball on Apr 17, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Suh will help them from day one.
It will be much more difficult to run up the middle on the Leo’s this year. Suh is a beast and if they miss on picking him they might as well crawl into a hole and die. They need o-line help for sure, but their is no player more dominant in this years draft than Suh(Berry a close 2nd).
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
Yeah, I agree
Suh seems like a can’t miss, once in a generation type guys. It’s going to suck having to face that guy twice a year.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Who will block him?
If the Vikings draft a guard in a few days, that guy can hopefully match up well with Suh or McCoy.
I’ve gone back and forth on whether the Lions will draft Suh, McCoy, or Okung, but currently I think they will draft Suh.
by medicineball on Apr 17, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
medicineball, you hoping for Pouncey?
I’m afraid Herrera might be herniated against Suh. Hopefully Detroit will match him up against Hutch(not likely), but that would take one hell of a brain fart on their part.
Still thinking 2 W’s against the Leo’s this year. They are slowly improving but have a ways to go.
I hope Gonzo is right with the school of thought that Herrera was playing alongside two first year starters and will be better this year. I’d really like to see corner or safety addressed in the first round.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
Pouncey looks good
The only negative on Pouncey is that his Wonderlic was 14. He might end up playing guard. With his talent he looks like a good one. I was worried about Florida State offensive linemen, but then today I learned that Walter Jones was a Seminole.
I am optimistic about Herrera coming back and having a good 2010. I like Sullivan’s chances, too.
That said, if we get some a big strong guard, like a Mitch Petrus, Ducasse, Saffold, or another guy, that would be great.
I’m worried that John Jerry’s Wonderlic of 5 is too low for the zone-blocking scheme.
by medicineball on Apr 17, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
OL
If the Viks end up with Pouncey in the first and Petrus in the 3rd or 4th the core of the line will be TIGHT. As a Lions fan part of me has to hope this doesn’t happen lol!
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
Holy crap!
A 5! Jesus. Ok there are two places where you need smart people in football. One is QB and the other is a lineman. You have to make a lot of reads when your working on the line and honestly if your not mentally quick your going to fail at it from time to time. Problem is failing gets the play squashed. I would be really leary of a OL with a intelligence issue.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Gosder C
is a RT not a LT…. vikespma is a smart guy and he should be scared of the Lions in the years to come. The williams wall will be crumbling very soon, look for this to be erected in detroit (insert erected joke here). Watch Suh on sports science, i had to put a sheet over my lap.
by derbyz81 on Apr 16, 2010 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
insert joke
I’m sure you will Backus-up when things get erected in Detroit.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
Watch Suh on sports science, i had to put a sheet over my lap
Greatest comment ever.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 17, 2010 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Cherrilus
Took the words out of my mouth derby.
I think the Lions will draft Suh (and they’d be idiots not to) but keep an eye on Russell Okung. They sure could use another offensive lineman to keep Stafford upright this year, especially in this division that now includes Julius Peppers, Jared Allen and Clay Matthews as premier pass rushers.
I hear ya
but if we take another off. player in the 1st round, i might go looking for a bridge. When your ranked last in def. year after year, dont you think its time to change things up? Last year we could have had Oher at 20, instead Sandra B got it from the blind side and back side from JJ.
Detroit is improving.
After what seems like forever the Lions appear to be building their team in a smart way. If they continue to draft well they will make our division much more competitive and I find myself rooting for them a little. I will miss the cowardly Lions but I can always watch this video to remind me of their humorous lows. http://www.theonion.com/video/nfl-players-mentor-troubled-detroit-lions,14365/
Well
No team, no matter how bad, can stay at the bottom forever. Just like the Packers of the mid-to-late 70’s and 80’s, the Lions have been through a terrible couple of decades, and they’re ready to pull themselves out of the sewers. Fortunately, with the Bears imploding (best players getting older and having no draft picks suck), not too much is probably going to change, we’ll just shift from automatically checking the two games against the Lions as wins to checking the two games against the Bears as wins.
On a side note, this sort of thing seems to be rotational, we had the Packers in the 70’s and 80’s, the Lions in the 90’s and 00’s, now it looks like the Bears are getting ready to be bottom feeders for the next couple decades. I just hope that said rotational cycle manages to skip us.
Finally, just like MilCardFan, I lack the burning hatred against Detroit that I usually associate with rivals, although it’ll probably only take one or two losses to the Lions to make it flare up.
In short, I find myself oddly rooting for the Lions, if for no other reason than I respect a fanbase that can put up with a team that manages only two playoff wins in 53 years. So while I will never, ever root for the Lions when they’re playing the Vikings, I’ll probably wish them a little good luck whenever they’re playing the Packers or the Bears.
by ViKINGSoftheNORTH on Apr 16, 2010 8:45 PM CDT reply actions
Bears are not terrible either
They added Julius Peppers, Mike Martz, Mike Tice, etc. They won’t be pushovers in 2010.
by medicineball on Apr 17, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
As a Bears fan.
I say we will be pretty good for the next 3 years,but if we don’t fire JA and Lovie we will be in trouble……….I like the Lions and they will be harder to face this year,then the previous 10……………
by I love football! on Apr 18, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
I’ve always wanted to like the Lions, as irrational as that may seem for a hardcore Viking fan, especially for a division rival. And I have huge respect for the loyalty of their fanbase, and can’t help but notice that I’ve never heard any mealy-mouthed threats of moving the Lions to another city because of a lack of fan support.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I almost feel proud of the Lions
They’re like our little brother we love to torment.
Lions fan here
Little brothers growing up, and he’s pissed…that said, it prolly won’t be this upcoming season.
Out of all the division rivals, I hate the Vikings the least :)
Life is a waste of time and time is a waste of life... so lets get wasted all the time and have the time of our lives!
I beleave you guys remember me from last year
I know Revenge-4-Favre does. I’m not coming here to talk shit about all the crazy statements that me and him had last year about #4, cause he did more for you guys than I ever thought possible in 1 year.And I was totally wrong about Harvin, He had a really big role as a rookie, and should only get better. But how do you guys think the Bears are not going to be bad again this year?? Martz has never done shit since being the HC of the Rams and i don’t want to give him credit for the greatest show on turf either, that was all Warner/Faulk/Holt/Bruce. What has Martz done since that year, had a lot of QB’s that had real bad years, with a lot if INT’s cause QB’s and WR’s can’t get on the same page. Cutler is not that good in my eyes, and they still don’t have a solid #1 WR on that team.Who is going to block for Cutler that O-line is even worse than what we had in Detroit last year, and that’s saying something since we had no guard play at all.
How many lumps you want Doc?
LOL wrong thread for Bears talk
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2010/4/13/1419667/keep-your-friends-close-but-your
Life is a waste of time and time is a waste of life... so lets get wasted all the time and have the time of our lives!
The Vikings lost to the Bears once last year.
by medicineball on Apr 17, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
In OT, late in the season
Lets say the Bears had their horseshoe that day.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
In 2 years or less
the NFC North will be the strongest division in the NFC. The NFC East has some aging teams (Redskins, Eagles) while pretty much every NFC North team is young and improving.
On the other hand, it may be difficult for the Vikings to compete 2+ years from now after losing (or seeing greatly reduced contributions from) Favre, Pat Williams, Antoine Winfield, McKinnie, Hutch, EJ, probably AP and/or Jared Allen and/or Kevin Williams, and a few guys who should be replaceable (Leber). That’s almost 1/2 of the starters and doesn’t include positions which need upgrades now (about 3 in the secondary, for instance).
make or break
You got that right. The Vikings are at the cusp of greatness or turmoil. This is their time to grab their rings. I’ll be very curious to see how they make it through the next 2-3 years.
I like the voice of hope in this article! As a fan of the Lions I hope this is the makings of a good team. I think we’re in that same 2-3 yr time frame as the Vikings but from the different perspective. We’re trying to see if we can become a solid team whereas MN needs to see if they can remain one. I think it’s going to make for some really good football.
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
Schwartz
I believe he has the Lions on the right track. I’m not sure which lineman the Lions should draft at #2, but whoever it ends up being, he’ll probably be good.
by medicineball on Apr 17, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Eagles aren't aging
This year the Eagles should have one of the youngest rosters in the league. They have gutted their roster over the last two years.
by PackApologist on Apr 18, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Aye Eagles are in a rebuild this season
They’ve tossed the Chaff and are starting anew. Looks like they will do a fairly good job with it as well.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
OK, they've been aging
We can look at that team’s progress over the next 2 years and see what will probably happen with the Vikings in the next 3-4 years.
Lions will be better.
For crying out loud when you draft in the top ten for years and years sooner or later you have to improve. Even a blind old sow finds an acorn once in awhile.
Viks QB
I’m so curious what you Vikings fans expect the team to do regarding QB for the long term. Sure Favre seems to be the lock to return but then what? What if, god forbid, he isn’t able to finish out the season? Does anyone think Jackson can step up and become the type of starter the team needs? Do they draft someone this year or next? If so, who?
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
Good questions with many answers.
Everybody is pretty much convinced that Favre is coming back for this year but our future QB is a topic of much debate. I believe Jackson can step up after learning from Favre for two years but I’m definitely in the minority when it comes to this opinion. Name a QB in this draft and you will find Vikings fans who are ready to draft him. Clausen, Tebow, and McCoy have all been discussed in detail and there is little agreement on any of the three.
Personally I prefer drafting a developmental QB later in the draft this year and depending on our situation possibly drafting another QB next year. I’d like to give you some idea of the popular sentiment regarding the QB issue but we’re all over the map. If we ended up with Clausen that would probably satisfy the majority of us.
by CanadianViking on Apr 18, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
good insights
Interesting thoughts on it CanadianViking. I sure can see why there would be such a debate about the QB. Everything I’ve seen on it has me baffled as well. I like the fit of Clausen, a lot, but I just can’t see a chance of him falling that far. I also can’t see the Vikings wanting to invest what it would take to trade up to get him. I like both Tebow and McCoy a lot and expect them to both have solid careers if they end up in the right place. Mn could be that place but there are better homes imo. You present a good idea of a lower round developmental qb this year, Skelton, Pike, LeFevour, Kafka ya there are some good darts to throw at the board, one of those is bound to stick in the NFL. If not, there’s next year but that’s going to take a very pricey trade up to land a first round franchise type…
VikesPma, i couldn’t agree more. There’s no lock that Stafford, or many 2nd year players, are going to become solid players. I koolaid tastes like he’s a solid bet to show at least decent improvement. He’s going to have to wait a good while before getting a ring tho lol…
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
Yeah, I don’t see Clausen falling or us trading up to get him but I think he would please the majority. Tebow is either a love him or hate him guy as an NFL QB and I fall into the latter group. McCoy seems like he could be a decent fit but I doubt we’ll take him in the first and he’ll probably be gone before we pick in the second. I’m interested in Johnathan Crompton for our developmental type QB.
As for Stafford I know he’s got talent and I know he’s got heart. Should be good with those attributes but time will tell. That footage of him coming back from injury last year was great and I loved him telling his coaches to get the f out of his way so he could play.
by CanadianViking on Apr 19, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Skelton late 4th rounder will surprise.
Or Jackson who has improved every year, knows the offence and saw what it took behind Favre.
Stafford is no lock to be a solid QB, he could be but one good game against the hapless Browns proves nothing.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
Most of us are praying to Satan to allow Favre to play for a couple more years (like 50)
After that we’ll be good. :D
Seriously? I hope Clausen falls to us if not we pick up Colt McCoy. Some people here still believe that TJ has the nuts to take us the distance, but personally I doubt he’ll be able to play well for teh VIkings. To many issues with the team.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I'll be honest
I cannot root against the Lions.
Well, maybe only if we’re playing them. Even then, it’s a little bit hard.
Everyone made the Saints out to be America’s team the last few years, because of Katrina. Well, there was something to that, but … Motown was hit but a much more vicious hurricane than the Big Easy was. The only thing, it was a financial catastrophe, not meteorological. I know people who live in the Detroit suburbs. They deserve something to cheer about, at least for a little while. Now that Bobby Layne has gotten his revenge, it’s time.
If Vikings cannot be NFC champions, my next choice would be … I’m serious … Detroit. Maybe not this year for them, but I hope it is soon.
p.s.
not to mention, I also like Stafford, his attitude. Like MCF says, who couldn’t. He deserves to get a ring in his career, if he stays like that. And if he gets a ring, it should be while wearing blue and silver.
2 playoff wins in 53 years...
The Lions better think about crawling before they walk. They have been mildly dragging their asses for decades.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
My Nightmare Scenario As A Viking Fan
The worst thing I can imagine sports-wise (besides the Vikings leaving Minnesota) is the Chicago Cubs winning a World Series AND the Detroit Lions winning a Super Bowl before the Vikings finally hoist the Lombardi.
Either one of those things happening is bad; the Cubs making it back to a World Series but losing before the Vikings make it back to Super Bowl would be bad, the Lions finally making it to a Super Bowl but losing before the Vikings make it back would be bad, as are other scenarios (the Browns winning a Super Bowl before the Vikings, for instance), but a Cubs WS victory AND a Lions Lombardi Trophy would bring on Sports Apocalypse.
by Midnight Rambler on Apr 18, 2010 9:24 PM CDT reply actions
Lions
I enjoy the Lions… We all know we’re going to be on the side of the Lions when they play our other rivals (Packers, Bears). Unless they are pretty big threat this year, but, I can’t see a team going from 2-14 to 10(or more wins) to 6(or less losses). But, I am glad to see they’re improving.
Seems they are pretty decently set for QB. Add a monstrous DT, they may be a hard team to play…
The Vikings have lost to the Lions before, when they had a very poor season to boot…… This was either late 90s or early 2000s… But I almost want to see that we were their only win one season, or one of two.

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