2010 NFL Draft: Minnesota Vikings Trade Out of Round One; Now Slated to Select #34 Overall
by Christopher Gates on Apr 22, 2010 10:29 PM CDT
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PrintWell, the Minnesota Vikings came. . .they saw. . .and, ultimately, they traded out of the first round of the 2010 National Football League draft.
The first seven picks of the evening were pretty mundane, truth be told. I even managed to perfectly nail all seven of those picks in my mock draft. Of course, shortly after that, all hell broke loose, with the Denver Broncos wreaking a particular amount of havoc as they moved down the draft board and acquired picks. When it was all said and done, only four NFL teams didn't select anybody in the first round. . .the Carolina Panthers and Chicago Bears both traded away their first round picks in this year's draft last season in various deals, and the Baltimore Ravens joined the Vikings in trading out of the first round.
The trade that the Vikings made with the Detroit Lions to move them out of the first round saw them send the #30 overall selection (which Detroit used to select California running back Jahvid Best) and their fourth-round pick (#128 overall) to the Lions in exchange for Detroit's second-round pick (#34 overall), their fourth-round pick (#100 overall), and their seventh-round pick (#214 overall).
With the draft's new format, having only one round this evening and holding Rounds Two and Three tomorrow, teams will get a chance to rack and stack their draft boards, and that leaves the Vikings in an interesting position. There were a lot of very good players at positions of need for the Vikings that they could go after. The most intriguing of these, in my opinion, is Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen. Clausen, who NFL Network draft guru Mike Mayock has rated as his #2 quarterback and the tenth-best player in the entire draft, who somehow fell entirely out of the first round. Other interesting names are Southern Cal safety Taylor Mays, Texas linebacker/defensive end Sergio Kindle, Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, defensive tackles Terrence Cody of Alabama and Brian Price of UCLA, and there are others as well.
But the way the Vikings maneuvered out of the first round gives me a suspicion that Clausen is their target, or they're trying to get enough interest in him worked up to trade even farther down and acquire more picks (possibly including picks in next year's draft). They made a deal with a division rival in Detroit, who they knew had no interest in a quarterback with Matthew Stafford already established. The two remaining teams in the first round, Indianapolis and New Orleans, weren't going to take a quarterback, and the only team that selects ahead of the Vikings in Round Two, the St. Louis Rams, selected Sam Bradford with the #1 overall pick, so they aren't going quarterback, either.
All in all, it was a pretty exciting evening, even if it ended up with the Vikings not adding anyone to their roster. I know that you're all looking forward to tomorrow's festivities as much as I am, and now it's time to get some rest and get ready to come back fired up for tomorrow. Hopefully a lot of you will be back tomorrow, too, when the fun gets underway at 5 PM Central on either NFL Network or ESPN. Have a good rest of your Thursday evening, everybody!
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I think
The Vikes have to be scared of someone making a deal for Clausen tonight. Either that or they are more excited about McCoy than Clausen and know they can get him in the second.
Perhaps they are not even interested in a QB at all or will take one in the later rounds (I am against that)
"American made, White Trash raised, and Bad Ass engraved"
Skelton
I would rather have Skelton anyway. At least he was the best player on the field in the games he played. Clausen never was.
I would trade back again tonight and pick up more picks. Buffalo has to be looking to move up as KC will likely draft Clausen and then Cleveland will likely take McCoy. This would leave Buffalo without one of the top QB’s coming out.
As for us, I am thinking we are leaning toward Chris Cook and could get him by moving back anyway. Why not pick up an extra pick and perhaps use that to trade for Haynesworth? Wow what a line we would have!
Lastly, remember Ryan Mallet is coming out next year. Why not accumulate draft picks this year to trade into position to get near the top of next years draft?
I'm glad somebody brought this up
What’s up with the Haynesworth rumors? I heard just a snippet of them early on and then they disappeared. First of all, why would we need him? Where would we put him? DE?
No, Pat Williams would be a backup
if we snagged haynesworth, but I don’t see us grabbing haynesworth because he makes too much money. Vikings already have a fairly high payroll as it is, as much as I’d love to see it happen, I can’t see it actually coming true.
Actually
He is only owed $9M over the next two years. Not a lot of money as the Redskins paid the $21M bonus.
wow
There is actually someone else here besides me who is intrigued by Skelton?
I’m not sure I would trade back, and I am a little shocked that Clausen is still here, so I am shaken a little in my thinking. The main reason I liked Skelton was that he was probably lower risk (lower draft pick), but possibly higher reward (how good he might become), even if at lower odds (the chances of him growing into that are a fair gamble). As a project that almost certainly won’t be ready to play this year, he seems like the perfect pick for a team that likely does not need him at all this year, in fact may need to sneak him onto the practice squad if Favre comes back and they can’t trade away one of the other two QBs. Then you get a year to evaluate up close if he’s “got it.”
All of this assumed though that to get Clausen we’d have to trade up to 10-15 or higher (thought the 49ers or cleveland woudl take a shot at him). For that reason I never even seriously looked at him, it would have gutted the rest of our draft to pull it off. Now that he’s likely available to us at #34, instead of having to grab him at #12 … it does make it more interesting.
Skelton
Count me in as a Skelton-fan too. I may not be the most knowledgable college-fan out there, but in looking at all the QBs out there, Skelton impressed me the most. He’s probably at least 2 years from being ready, but I think he’s a long-term NFL QB, the kind of guy who would be with a team for 15 years. None of the other QB prospects have his command presence and control, and ability to impose his will on his team and the defense. This guy might not be the most accurate or have the top numbers, but I think the Vikings should grab him later on, if he’s available.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
NOooo!!
PJ don’t even think of such blasphemy. He might have talent but he can’t even stay on the field. He has bad work ethics so the Vikings don’t need or want him.
by midnightwonder on Apr 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I gotcha
But I trust Chilly and Leslie Frazier to motiviate this guy. Look at the motors he would be surrounded by.
There is only one team ahead of them to do that
Not worried. Personally after seeing interviews with Gruden. clausen thinks he is better thanhe is and doesnot seem inclined to be a stuent. McCoy impressed me more. Bradford acted the same way. that is why I don’t like him. McCoy and Tebow were humble. D4raft mccoy, or Clauson. that was the thinking behind this. No one ahead of them in this 2nd round pick needs a QB. Theystill get their guy and pay 2nd round $. Now dump jackson and a late 4th or 5th to a team like Buffalo and grab another 2nd rounder. You get QB, Mays as a corner, ducausse as a rt guard and hope Gerhart falls to the earlypart of round three.
Those four will make the team and would make the whole draft worth it.
by CitrusFLViking on Apr 23, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Teams that want Clausen
Other than the Vikings are probably burning up the Rams’ phones to jump ahead of the pick.
It may take a village to raise a child, but it takes a Viking to raze a village.
Or teams that want clausen
are burning up the vikings’ phones to jump ahead of the pick
So ...
Which teams are those, exactly? All I come up with are Bills.
I’m not sure why this was a shock. A week or two ago, someone posted that we would have to trade up to #18 to get Clausen. I responded Why? If the 49ers and Cleveland and bills don’t grab him in the mid teens, who between 18 and 30 was gonna take him? He would only get taken if one of those teams traded away their pick — I nominated Patsies (duh) and Green Bay (double duh … those were kinda obvious picks, I still think GB would have done it, excep they were surprised to find Bulaga still there).
I think, the Vikes, if they really do want him (still not so sure about that) probably did the same math as me, not only to keep watching until #30, but even letting the train pass them by and keep waiting til at least #34.
I think if they do want him though, they have to take him at #34 … I can’t imagine Bills, Browns, and 49ers passing on him again, and there will probably be more teams taking a closer look for a 2nd rounder (I keep thinking Patsies or Steelers)
I hope we don't want him
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Is it just me...
…or does Roger Goodell look like a Sith Lord?? He looks like he wears a human suit. As far as Clausen goes, if we really liked him we would have drafted him at 30. We will still probably take him tomorrow. I don’t think there’s that many teams that want to trade up with the Rams for him. In any event, I’m sure the Vikes were comfortable with a number of players they liked being there.
You might be onto something here..........
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by VikesFaninNM on Apr 22, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
There are two
The Browns and the Bills are both in need of a quarterback. McCoy and Clausen are the only ones left that could be close to starting in the near future (QB’s Pike and LeFevour are considered projects). If we target a QB at the top of the 2nd, the Browns and Bills will be burning up the Rams phones to get up ahead of us and have their pick of the two.
My money is on Mays, Cook or another trade down. If we draft a QB, I don’t expect it will be until the 3rd round at the earliest.
by Cobra312004 on Apr 22, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Cook would be a reach at #34
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Looks like you got it right
My hope now is that it wasn’t a reach
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I think if Clausen's the guy
trading down to the top of the second round is a pretty good move. Listening to KFAN last night Pete Bercich made a good point about working your draft board, meaning if you think your guy will be available 4-5 picks later and you can drop down, then why not? For the Vikings it’s pretty clear that we’re not going to draft 9 guys this year, so my guess is that there will be some trades to move up and target specific guys using some of the flexibility that the Detroit trade gave us.
In terms of why you’d want to take Clausen in the second round versus the first, well I can think of two reasons: 1) financials. There’s a huge difference in cost and signability between first and second rounders. And 2) if Clausen’s biggest red flag is his personality/attitude, nothing like a bit of humble pie to help the kid understand his place. I personally don’t understand why people are so down on Clausen. When I saw him play last fall the dude looked legit. He’s by far the best passing prospect we’ll have a shot at over the next number of years. If you’re imagining drafting some specific guy next year you should just stop because the NFL doesn’t work that way – just way too much volatility in player performance and draft position and other team’s needs, etc.
Perhaps others know better than me, but it seems as though there are some very good veterans on this team (the Vikes) who command respect from brash youngster, and there are also a bunch of pretty social guys who are good at greasing the skids (a guy like Shiancoe, for example). More than that, though, I would expect that AP, Berrian, and Percy et al recognize talent and the desire to win when they see it and would have no problem with Clausen. If the dude can play he can play. If anything he’d be like the A.J. Pierzynski of the Vikes – you love him when he’s on your side and just absolutely can’t stand him when you play against him. And as far as Favre is concerned, what could be better than challenging Clausen to compete with another guy who was a little hot-headed and had attitude concerns coming out of college (and who also, incidentally, fell to the second round)?
"Thankfully, they are not straw-colored brain bats."
it’s pretty clear that we’re not going to draft 9 guys this year
Thats one thing that shocked me as I analyzed the day. No way can the Vikings current roster support 9 more rookies. We’re too loaded as it is. This is almost certainly an indicator that we will be trading up at some point. I’d prefer trading up from late 2nd to early second, even if it costs like 3 picks to do.
Not only did Mayock have Clausen as the 10th overall player in the draft
Mel Kiper Jr. had him fourth, ahead of Bradford and the best overall offensive player in the draft.
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
McShay
McShay had him as a second-round talent. I agree with that and so apparently do 32 NFL teams.
by medicineball on Apr 23, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
ya but you had Bradford as 2nd round talent too!
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Let Cleveland have Jimmy – he’s got little hands anyway like the guy off of the whopper commercial. With the 34th pick we select Taylor mays with the 60th pick we take decker/Bruce Campbell
by Tswing on Apr 22, 2010 11:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I like it
Mays or maybe Sergio Kindle. I think Decker will be around for the 3(93) pick, but I don’t think we need to draft WR this year at all.
2(34) Mays or Kindle
2(62) Brandon Ghee-CB
3(93) Mike Johnson- OG
"Sloughing one's skin- The snake that cannot slough its skin, perishes. Likewise spirits which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be spirits." -- Nietzsche
Wow.
Looked up his hand size it is only 9 inches, seems like Culpepper Part 2. Not saying he doesn’t have skills, but Culpepper turned into a fumble machine.
"This town, this night, this crowd
Come on put them up, let me hear it loud"
by Stay classy, Joe. on Apr 23, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Vikes Prove Sansevere Wrong
No, Bob, the Vikings did not say (as you had predicted) that they were surprised to find “someone of that value” waiting to be picked by them at #30. They said, naw, there’s NOBODY whom we really need to pick here, so let us just come back tomorrow with an upgrade upon our 4th round pick, an extra 7th round pick, and we can still pick the guy we want to take.
In a new twist upon the outlaws’ line from Treasure of Sierra Madre, they said, “Cornerbacks? We don’t need to show you no stinking cornerbacks!”
(P.S.: Thanks, Al Davis, for breaking the hearts of Giants’ fans everywhere.)
I think the Vikings
would’ve taken Tebow if he fell in their laps still. It just so happenes he didn’t so they traded out the first, picked up some picks and still have options @ qb and other postions
Favre + 3 = ❼ = Vikings= 2009-2010 NFL Champions= New Stadium=Greatest Fans and Team!
by UnBannedVikingholic on Apr 22, 2010 11:20 PM CDT reply actions
More on Jimmy C.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/2010/nfl-draft/flash.htm
Read his scouting report (esp. the part subtitled, “Accuracy:”) and tell me if you’re still excited about him.
He compares to A-Rodg in that blurb, too, and that is intriguing, but both his accuracy and arm strength are questioned.
So far, I’m glad the Vikes didn’t get a chance to screw up by drafting Tebow and I’m sad that McCourty or Kyle Wilson didn’t fall to #30.
Kyle Wilson
Damn Jets. You guys realize that the Jets had the #1 pass defense last year? And so what did they do? They traded for Antonio Cromartie and drafted Kyle Wilson, arguably the corner with the most upside in this draft (and a killer in man to man, which the blitz heavy Jets love). I am very afraid of the Jets now, though that primetime matchup with them should be one of the best games of the year.
by Cobra312004 on Apr 23, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Dont worry about it
the only way that they can have all of them out on the field is if they are in nickel, etc.. and their front seven is suspect, so we will just run over there asses
by SynysterGates on Apr 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
They were a top 10 rushing defense as well
This may have been partly because they’re pass defense was so good that they were able to bring safeties up more often but the same will apply. They have corners that are fine in man to man against most WRs, their Defense will be near if the at the top of the league again this year.
Their biggest weakness is offense, Sanchez wasn’t that great, he just didn’t lose games for them. He got way overhyped because of the quick start to the Jets season last year. We’ll see if he can put points on the board or if the Jets end up just a great defense with an O that can’t score.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Haha suspect in what way? They were in 8th in run defense last season, and that was without Kris Jenkins for much of the year who is one of the best NT’s in the league. That defense is gonna be damn good.
by packallday555 on Apr 23, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm more upset over the fact that Odrick went 2 picks ahead
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
This is what I see...
I personally hope they pull the trigger on Clausen if he is still available as teams will be trying to trade up to get him. If no teams make that trade up then they need to pick him up. I see the point alot of people are making, that he doesn’t improve our team for this year, but you also have to look down the road. If, and I stress IF, Favre comes back this year it will only be for this year. After this year we will not have a good pick in the draft and our chances of getting a quality QB of the future slim’s down by a big margin. Also, you have to look that the players we will be looking at in place of Clausen will also only be helping at a minimal level. Taylor Mayes will not come in and be a starter, nor will any offensive or defensive linemen. I could possibly see going for Kindle to shore up the LB’s and give us some depth there, but other then that I don’t see anyone on the board that will come in as a starter or even have a huge impact on this season. That takes me back to my original comment that Clausen is the best pick for us since we are going to need somebody to fill that QB slot down the road and we have a top 10 talent (on most boards) available to us in the second round. Now, if a team moves up and takes him with the 1st pick in the 2nd round then we can look at shoring up the defense with Kindle, Mayes, or DL. There is no garuntee that Favre is coming back and even if he said he was coming back tonight I would still draft Clausen now while we can. Next year the QB’s in the draft are going to be worse and the few that could be picked up won’t make it to where we will be drafting. Tjack and Sage are NOT the QB’s of the future for the Vikes. We have a history of drafting the best players available and I hope we stick to that strategy. Also, to all the people refering to his scouting reports, lets realise that all the players that are still on the board have issues. That is why they slid to the 2nd round or further, don’t let a couple of negative questions on a report take away from what this kid could potentially do for us down the road. We were considering Tebow if he fell to us and instead we have a QB that was rated higher fall to us. To me its a no brainer…
Sorry...
I had strong feelings on this and wanted to get them all out. If you don’t like it then don’t read it.
I stopped after "I hope they pull the trigger on Clausen..."
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Again
The criticism. Humors me when you go out of your way to do this and you can’t even use proper grammar yourself. For the record, it is “too long to read”.
What is wrong with criticism? I feel like I’ve posted about this many, many times already in other places, but why are people so bent on removing criticism from forums? Isn’t that what makes for such interesting debate? If we all agreed this whole process would be incredibly boring. I personally love it when people challenge one of my posts. Having a chance to defend your point of view usually ends up either strengthening it or allowing you to see things anew from a fresh perspective. Being wrong isn’t wrong. It’s an opportunity to get better.
True
but saying
I didn’t
followed by
Neither did I….next
is not criticism. In fact it turns me off from coming here to find out what everyone’s saying because it turns out that a bunch of commenters don’t actually care what everyone’s saying. It completely negates what I whole-heartedly agree with you on:
Having a chance to defend your point of view usually ends up either strengthening it or allowing you to see things anew from a fresh perspective.
"Thankfully, they are not straw-colored brain bats."
it turns out that a bunch of commenters don’t actually care what everyone’s saying.
For me, this is completely untrue. I read almost every single post on this site. But to save time, there are those I don’t read.
My original comment to RonH was supposed to be constructive criticism to give him some tips for better posting etiquette. But then he got snappy and sassy, not really seeming to appreciate my advice, so I responded snappy and sassy back. I suppose I could have used better judgement there and not let it escalate into a spitting match. I apologize if this gave the wrong impression. I would hate ruin your impression of the site. It’s my personal opinion that we run the best sports forum on the internet. Please don’t let my one bad post scare you off.
No problem
I think I may have been a little snappy too – was waiting for the morning coffee to kick in while reading this stuff.
"Thankfully, they are not straw-colored brain bats."
Mays might be able to start
Living out in Pac-10 land (Portland) I’ve watched the guy for several years and he is an absolute stud as an athlete. Big, strong, fast and likes to hit. He’s also somewhat of a cheapshot so I have mixed emotions about him going to the Vikes (spoken more as an Oregon and Oregon State sort-of-fan – I grew up in MN though).
I agree that we need a future-quarterback plan and Clausen “might” fit that need.
put a body on 'em
No USC guys, not this crop anyway
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Agree with a lot you say
Except I am not a Clausen fan and I just don’t see where having Clausen on the roster is better than TJack or Rosenfels. I do agree Kindle might be the one player that could start right away. That is likely the way to go.
They’re not taking him. Wisdom of the crowds has spoken. If you really think you have the QBOTF on the board when you’re on the clock, you don’t move back.
Kyle Wilson to the Jets was a bigtime gut punch for me…
Ugh
Same here on Wilson. I was tickled pink to see him available. And then POOF, he wasn’t.
Why the heck would the Jets want him anyways with Revis and Cromartie? What gives? They just enjoy kicking the Vikings in the balls?
I think it was brilliant
Rex Ryan loves to accumulate CBs. It’s going to be tought to move the ball against the Jets.
At this point, I wouldn’t mind OT Saffold at 34 and then move up from #62 to take TCU LB Daryl Washington. Saffold, worst case, fills in the swingman role, or pushes aside Herrera or McKinnie. Washington provides a super athlete/speedster at LB who can actually maybe cover RBs and TEs. I really wanted a nice cover corner, but at this point, since the odds of picking the best one of the 2nd/3rd tier types probably aren’t that much better at 34 than at 64 or even beyond, it’s probably not the time.
Saffold
Ick!
Please no. We spend our first pick in the draft (and ultimately essentially a 1st rounder) on a
swingman? Hmm, believe we already tried investing a high 2nd rounder in that sort of player in Ryan Cook, and that didn’t exactly turn out well.
Cook was a heavy-footed center they thought could play tackle. That’s an idea that’s probably never worked in the history of organized football. Saffold’s a natural LT with a power game many think could allow him to fill in inside. I don’t think that’s a good comp.
I’ve stopped pretending I know more about these guys than the powers that be (at least, sometimes), but IF they think Saffold can replace McKinnie by 2011 or before, while in the meantime providing depth, he’d be worth the 34th pick. As it is, depending on which source one looks at, Saffold at 34 is considered par value for the most part.
They brought in physical speciman Bruce Campbell, whom I’m nervous of.
First of all, who says McKinnie is done? I don’t get it. He’s not great but he’s more than serviceable.
Second, I’d much rather have OT from USC, Charles Brown. Or that beast of a kid from Maryland, Bruce “Chainsaw-for-a-hand” Campbell. Saffold is one of those guys who shot up way too quickly for my tastes. It wasn’t too long ago he was a complete unknown. Prospects moving up that fast reek of overevaluation.
I think the team wouldn’t mind moving on from McKinnie. Just a hunch. Could be wrong.
I like Saffold’s very young and yet has an incredible 41 starts under his belt. Dude allowed just one sack his senior year. He’s considered fiesty, a leader, and a plus athlete. I hear you on the riser concerns, but to me that’s mitigated somewhat by the fact he played for Indiana. The early mocks didn’t recognize him much, but when the NFL guys started looking at him they liked what they saw. He doesn’t have ideal length for a LT and, like Charles Brown though not as bad, could maybe use a little more weight, and the Vikings have been sticklers for size. I don’t THINK they’ll draft him, but personally I think he’s a nice player.
Campbell has only 17 starts. He has tools galore and he might work out with NFL coaching, but he probably has a ways to go.
Kyle Wilson
He doesn’t seem like a physical enough cornerback for us.
by medicineball on Apr 23, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
But he was considered maybe the best press corner in the draft (which the Vikings use), and one of the better pure cover guys.
I’d gladly give a little run support from the DBs if in exchange they got better against the pass.
i was huge on Wilson
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Wilson is the corner everyone talks about 3 years from now. He is scary good and only scratching the surface at this point.
by Cobra312004 on Apr 23, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Truth
I agree. If the Vikings wanted Clausen they would have him now. The fact that the teams between the 30th and 34th picks all have QB’s actually works in favor of this theory. The Colts and Saints didn’t have many big needs to fill and gladly would have taken a similar deal that we got to slip back into the 2nd. The Rams are full of holes and also would welcome a trade back from the top of the 2nd round.
I, for one, hope we don’t get Clausen. I don’t see him as a franchise QB. He has the cockiness, the weak arm and the potentially peaked potential (the one side effect of a pro-style offense in college) of a bust. I’m hoping for Cook or Mays (another intimidator on defense would be nice if our scouts think he can play) personally.
by Cobra312004 on Apr 23, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
The more I think about the trade, the more I like it. The big buzz about the new format was that with the extra day, teams would get to re-stack their boards and picks in the top ten of the 2nd and 3rd days would be very valuable. Now the Vikings have the #2 overall picks at the beginning of each new day (getting Detroit’s 4th rounder nets them the #2 overall on day 3). Lots of interesting ways they could play it. Don’t know if they pass on Clausen. Just seems like such a great value at that point. Here’s a Vikings Mock for how it plays out the rest of the way: What I think they will do / Alt mock w/o Clausen
2a. Jimmy Clausen QB / Roger Staffold OG/T
2b. Vlad Ducasse OG/T / Brandon Ghee CB
3. Torrell Troup DT / John Skelton QB
4. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB / A. J. Edds SOLB
5a. Chris McCoy SOLB / Greg Hardy DE
5b. Myron Lewis CB / Michael Hoomanawanui TE
6. Richard Dickson TE / Travis Ivey DT
7a. Lonyae Miller RB / Walter Thurmond CB
7b. Van Estridge S / Stafon Johnson RB
Tried to use as many of the guys who visited before hand. I too was really hoping for McCourty or Wilson to make it all the way to 30, but it may work out just fine with this trade.
Walter Thurmond was great at Oregon
It is a shame he was hurt for almost his whole senior season – they could have really used him and he could have really used the exposure.
put a body on 'em
If the trade with Detroit let's us grab Owusu-Ansah
With the #2 pick in the fourth, then I’m more in favor of the trade than I already was. Because I don’t think he’d still be around at the end of the 4th, where we were originally.
But that is a BIG “if.” Frankly I don’t expect him to be available at the beginning of the 4th either. I wouldn’t be completely surprised if he’s gone by the end of the 2nd
Hows this for a terrifying reality
With their first pick in the draft the Minnesota Vikings select…
Chris Cook.
Giant (in more than one sense) flop of a corner. Overvalued because of need and over-scouted by the Vikings.
I hope they do not pick up this kid
He did 7 reps on the bench press and is not a good or willing tackler.
Are you kidding!?
How often does a franchise QB fall to you at #30? This kid is not Brady Quinn. If the Vikings don’t pick Clausen it will haunt the Vikings for the next ten years and probably be the downfall of Brad Childress and Rick Spielmen. Period………… That simple. You don’t pass on franchise caliber QB’s. Mark my words. I predicted Matt Ryan four years ago and Sam Bradford two years ago and have witness’ to vouch for those predictions long before anybody considered them elite QB prospects. Not pulling the trigger on Clausen will set this franchise back 10 years. Guaranteed. Copy this post; back it up on your hard drive. I’m calling it right now.
Much agreed
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Every player has risk’s and he could be a bust, but he could also be an absolute stud. The potential is too high to pass up on this opportunity.
I think the question answers itself really. How often does a franchise QB fall to you at 30? Almost never. So logic would then dictate that either this is one of those extremely rare instances, or Clausen is NOT a franchise QB.
Given the incredible odds against, I have to say that he is not.
by Cobra312004 on Apr 23, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Tom Brady
went late in the draft. How about Aaron Rodgers? He almost fell out of the first round before Green Bay made a luxury value pick on him. Why draft Clausen at 30 when you can draft him at 34, pay him less money, and pick up more (and better situated) picks for more draft dealings today and tomorrow? I think it’s a brilliant value play by the Vikes.
"Thankfully, they are not straw-colored brain bats."
Thats not the case because someone else who wants him, who did not take him in round 1 will move into the rams spot and grab him, guaranteed.
by SynysterGates on Apr 23, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
So why did 30 other teams pass on him? Some passed twice
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
You don’t pass on franchise caliber QB’s. Mark my words.
maybe you don’t but apparently every person who actually has a job in NFL personnel offices does. Well, except St. Louis, who got a different one, and Chicago, who sat & watched along with us.
And, I suppose, except for Denver, who presumably thinks they got a different one too.
Funny someone mentioned Decker
Am I the only person that has this feeling down my spine that Decker will end up with is hometown team somehow, kind of another Chris Walsh type guy but with a better skillset. If he is available in the later rounds, then why not. It appears that Clausen’s value may have dropped after the reports of a possible attitude problem, if that is the only issue then I say pick up Clausen let him learn from Favre for a year and then let’s see what happens.
attitude
How does that help his attitude problems? The guy has a bit of a god complex. There is simply NO WAY that could come back to bite him and his team in the ass.
Last QB to come out with a similar cockiness about him was JaMarcus Russell. Just sayin.
by Cobra312004 on Apr 23, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
necessary
Attitude is necerssary. No great QB walks on the field thinking he isn’t the best player there. Although not lastb year, Cutler has an attitude and so does Rivers. Both have accomplished more in there careers than anyone we’ve developed since and maybe including Culpepper.
by DarkWalker25 on Apr 23, 2010 8:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I said it earlier
A.J. Pierzynski. I loved having A.J. on the Twins – his attitude and feistiness and cockiness was great for needling the other team, especially because he could also back it up. However, I absolutely can’t stand him now that he’s on the Sox. I think Clausen is a bit like that.
"Thankfully, they are not straw-colored brain bats."
Do you think the Bears see Cutler in the same light? I don’t think so. Pouty baseball players really aren’t that much of a burden because its such an individual game. Football on the other hand requires strong fiery leaders to follow because you’re sacrificing so much on the field for the sake of the team.
Cannot bring up Chicago Cutler
A young guy in a new system will not thrive year one. We will be seen as the division with the best QBs this year. Favre, Rodgers, Cutler returning to form and Stafford finding his groove.
by DarkWalker25 on Apr 23, 2010 10:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't compare baseball to football. Not even close
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Yeah, he’s very interesting. So many of this guys’ postives—speed, coverage, detroyer of screen passes—would be a big boost to the LBs. And unlike most of the uber-athletic LBs, Washington doesn’t seem to be considered a WILL-only type.
Good points
Washington would be an ideal fit for our defense and a steal at #34.
Washington would start eventually, if not this year. EJ Henderson’s status is still up in the air. If he is limited or unable to play we don’t have a lot of options behind him. He would also be able to contribute immediately on special teams, likely being an important piece off the bat.
If the Rams don’t take him, we’d better.
by Cobra312004 on Apr 23, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Tough to argue
I don’t like taking LBs early, but considering they got completely hosed on the CBs and the top OL left are either a tad undersized (saffold and young) or toolsy-but-problematic (Campbell), maybe Washington could be their guy. He seems as likely as anyone else to be an instant-impact type at this point.
Washington
Though I too love the guy as a playmaker, he simply is far too small for MLB. (Some are saying he’s even too small for OLB.) If you’re looking for somebody to replace EJ, I can’t see how he could be it. But if you’re looking for someone to eventually replace Leber, Washington would be a stud. Just something to consider before drafting him.
Okay, I will say it!
Clausen is not a winner. Never has been. He is a whiney punk. He is the second coming of Jay Cutler. Supposedly talented, yet hated. A spoiled brat. And he does NOT win.
There, I said it. I guess you know who I don’t want to draft tomorrow. :-)
If we don’t trade down again, I am all for Taylor Mays. ABC.
Only difference is that Cutler is way more talented! So hell no to Clausen
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
that's way too wishy-washy, mr. odin
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
Notre Dame's defence was terrible. That is the main reason they lost as many as they did.
Look at Clausen’s #s. Something like 28td-4ints. He led them to multiple come from behind victories.
Jimmy is our guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+1 one on Mr. Maytag, wishy-washy.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
Love the trade.
We now have the second pick tomorrow and the second pick on Saturday by moving back four spots. Ideal position for shopping our picks if somebody wants to move to the top of day 2 or three.
Also, I’ve read that Spielman has said that the four players he had targeted at 30 are still available. So we just gained a bunch of draft currency without losing anything we wanted. Great move and I’ll be interested to see which moves follow.
Ah Clausen is good. Damm good. Mike Mayock is not an idiot.
Its either Clausen or Mays so we may as well get on board. Chilly & co know what they are doing. Kindle has an outside shot, but 90% its one of the first two mentioned.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
Agreed... I didn't like Clausen to begin with, but...
I think its inevitable…. I’m more on board with Clausen than Tebow… so I’m happy that it’s not Tebow… I think its definitely Clausen and then BPA thereafter… for better or worse…
by San Diego Viking on Apr 23, 2010 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions
PMA
don’t forget, the Vikings could be looking to trade that second rounder now that the guy they apparently wanted (Patrick Robinson) was sniped by the Saints. Of course, PFT reported the Vikes wanted him, so it’s likely not true.
Maybe the Browns want to move up to get Clausen.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 23, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I doubt that's who they wanted
Spielman said that all 4 players they wanted at 30 are still on the board.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
4 players, my guess is
Jimmy Clausen, Taylor Mays, Sergio Kindle and well the forth one is a crap shoot. Maybe Cody or Charles Brown.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
Oh yeh screw off with any trades for that 1st 2nd rounder St. Louis. Don't let those Browns steal Clausen!
With Del(done)homme and Seneca Wallace they might be tryin’.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
The Vikings could also be positioned to
Cut a deal with the Redskins. Flop 2nd round picks and acquire Haynesworth. The vikings can also toss in a 4-5th round pick and get great value. May be the fanboy in me talking but that would be an even scarier d-line than we already have.
by PurpleSpectre on Apr 23, 2010 3:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
so we will just eat the $100 mil contract for Haynesworth?
that seems a little ridiculous unless he will restructure dramatically. We also know he is a whiney SOB and there are no guarantees on his performance…
by SynysterGates on Apr 23, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
CAN WE STOP WITH THE MONEY
From Pro Football Talk:
With the Redskins paying defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth a $21 million bonus last week, we’re told that the practical length and value of his contract is three years, $16 million, with $9 million guaranteed.
by DarkWalker25 on Apr 23, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
clausen or t-jack
I believe coach childress thinks t-jack is going to be our franchise QB after favre retires otherwise why would you take the chance of some other team trading with the RAMS when you could of had clausen with the 30th pick.
No to Clausen
We don’t need Jimmy “I’m the Best Ever” Clausen.
Why?
Because he’s a whiney punk whose only claim to fame is that he played QB for Notre Dame. Yeah? Well, how did that go for Brady Quinn? Thought so.
Clausen is not the guy for the Vikings.
I all fairness
I think it is an essential requirement for an NFL quarterback to have very high levels of self confidence in their abilities.
Not the only requirement, not the most important requirement, but … still necessary. I don’t know how you “take charge” and deal with everyone else on the offense whining to get more touches if you don’t have it.
And no Haynesworth
He’s expensive and overrated.
He gets paid an enormous amount of money by the skins to porduce and what does he do?
He plays 12 games and has 37 – yes, 37 – tackles. They paid $100 million for that?
The Vikes need to draft a DT or two, not pay too much for a guy who is already on the down side of his career.
the salary
I remember reading something about his contract being bonus heavy and front loaded. I want to say more than half is already paid by the redskins. He has like 3 years 16 million left. He just got a 21 million bonus.
by DarkWalker25 on Apr 23, 2010 8:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention a terrible person
I can’t root for a guy who stomped on another player’s face on the football field.
I don't think the Vikes go QB
I think the move to trade down was smart…we were one game away from the big one last year and that’s only because we beat ourselves. Everyone returns this year and our schedule does us well. Early bye week kind of sucks, but we’ll manage.
But I don’t think the Vikes go QB. They want to win today, not tomorrow. And right now they’re stacked to do it. A rookie first round expensive QB or even a not as expensive early 2nd round QB is not going to contribute to what I think is MN’s year to win it all…THIS year.
I understand the concerns of #4 not playing past next season, but that guy T-Jack did take us to the playoffs. Granted, he didn’t do A LOT to get us there, but even then it was good enough. Do the two (maybe+) years behind the great one help? Does he mature, become confident in his God gifted natural ability to make the plays? He’s got loads of tallent…I just think he lacked confidence.
So aquire away on the draft picks…for our needs (CB/DT/WR) this year’s draft is DEEP with studs. Save some money, get some great players in the later rounds that will contribute and/or keep us strong for years to come in other areas. Next years draft outlook for QB’s is weak and TJ is good enough to get us to the playoffs for a year or two post Favre. Plenty of time for a franchise new face later…
Besides, even post Favre, T-Jack’s supporting cast will be pretty dang good…LOAD UP!
Lord, please keep Your arm around my shoulders and Your hand over my mouth. Amen.
If they don't take Clausen
Skelton does look good, but I did just hop on the Claussen bandwagon, and don’t want to get off.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
Mays
Yes he is probably not the best S to have run after a TE all the time but how can we not like a huge S with speed and he hits like a truck. I know that he doesn’t change directions well but how can this guy not be a better Blue or be MUCH worse than our current group. I like Sanford like most I believe do but add 4 inches, subtract a second to get to the ball and add another 10 lbs of muscle. I am not clear on how he can not be a part of our “4 players” that we like?
Ok
last night after Denver got Tebow,I was hoping we get McCoy but now i’m hoping we get Clausen at #34 and McCluster at #62
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