Day 1 Draft Thoughts
by Ted Glover on Apr 23, 2010 11:07 AM CDT
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I understand the importance of the draft, I really do. A team cannot trade away all their draft picks year after year and expect to remain competitive. Just ask the Washington Redskins. However, a draft day trade for a marquee player, without sacrificing too in terms of draft picks, can elevate a good team to a great team. The Vikings trade for Jared Allen would be a good example there; the Bears trade for Jay Cutler wouldn’t be. At least not yet. Which is why the trade with the Detroit Lions out of the first round is a bit mystifying, with one caveat.
The other possibility, of course, is that the Vikings have somebody else identified, and are pretty sure that he’ll be there. So they take him, end of story. And then we get the usual ‘I can’t believe he was there, because we had him as the #5 overall guy’ stories. You know the drill.
The most intriguing one for me, though, is that the Vikings are trying to make teams believe that they want Clausen when they really don’t, causing a team like Cleveland, Buffalo, or Kansas City to make a possible panic move to overpay and move up for Clausen. There is still a lot of talent left in this draft, and if the Vikings could come out of this with an additional third or fourth round pick, I have full confidence in their ability to pick a good player with it.
The one thing that really bugs me about this trade is that it was with the post-Matt Millen Detroit Lions. These guys know what they’re doing now, and that sucks for us as Vikings fans, because they have now picked four guys in the first round two years in a row. Ndamakung Suh was a great pick at #2, Jahvid Best was the best back on the board, and they need a running back. I think his durability will be an issue, but I can’t fault the logic in that move. This makes the trade, at least from the Vikings perspective, a lateral move at best and a bad move at worst. Why make a divisional foe stronger when you didn’t have to?
The upside for this trade is the swapping of the fourth round picks. The Vikings move up from #128 overall to #100, and the Vikings have made some very good fourth round and later picks in recent years, including Ray Edwards, Brian Robison, Mewelde Moore, and of course the most memorable fourth rounder of all, Onterrio ‘Hey is That a Fake Penis in Your Carry-on or Are You Just Happy to See Me?’ Smith. There is a lot of talent available in the fourth round, both in terms of football ability and comedic potential, so that is a significant jump.
But it's still a gamble, because if Jahvid Best stays healthy, and you just delivered a stable, productive running for the next ten years to a division rival on a silver platter, this trade will be viewed as a failure, regardless of who pick #100 is.
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But on the other hand...
…would New Orleans, Indianapolis, or St. Louis have taken Best? I wouldn’t think so—which suggests the Lions might’ve gotten him in the second round anyway (other trades notwithstanding), so in that sense the Vikings got an extra draft pick and moved from the back of one round to the front for what might’ve been a non-issue.
by NWOntario on Apr 23, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly!
The vikings knew St louis, NO and Indy were not going to take a QB. vikes have been quiet on MCoy but this still gives them the guy they want and picking up a couple extra picks. Now you take the QB you want. Trde jax or Rosenfelds to buffalo with a 4th or compensary pick and get another 2nd round pick. Youthen get Clauson/Mccoy, tehn Taylor Mays, then Ducausse to play rt guard and god willing Gerhart falls to us in the 3rd. Or trade a fifth rounder to move higher in the 3rd.
You get those four , in any combination and you have had a good draft.
A QB of the future prospect, a corner, a guard and a bull running Fb who can block, run and catch and has much more speed that Tahi.
This would be my ideal outlook
by CitrusFLViking on Apr 23, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yikes!
If only…
It’s the Taylor Mays move, however, that I would disagree with. I think it would be a huge loss for us not to have Johnson develop into a legit starter for us at safety, and I liked Samford’s learning curve last year. I’d rather see us take Cook in the second round and build our depth at CB.
But the scenario you paint—provided we could get a second rounder for one of our qb’s and a fourth rounder—is tantalizing.
by Anthony Carter on Apr 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Cook might be there in the 3rd
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
The Trade With Detroit
As I said in the draft thread last night, it will probably be a couple years before we can say that the trade with Detroit was a good or bad move by the Vikings. In other words, it’s like any other draft.
It all depends on how the players the Vikings get with this deal deliver on the field vs. how the players they potentially passed on turn out. We can all play Mel Kiper and grade the Vikings draft, including this deal, next Monday, but all those grades are is guesses. We will just have to wait and see how the picks in question perform on Sundays the next couple seasons before reaching any final judgment. (This doesn’t mean we can’t weigh in now and give our best educated guesses, of course.)
by Midnight Rambler on Apr 23, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions
It may not take that long
The Saints already drafted CB Patrick Robinson when the Vikes had a shot at him (that will take a few years), and if the Vikes miss out on Franks or Owusu-Ansah then they have once again failed to address their greatest need with a CB who is ready to start right away for the 3rd year in a row.
Who I want the Vikes to consider
I think the big needs are CB, OL, QB, pretty much in that order.
CB: 2 good ones left: Dominique Franks or Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (more upside)
OL: Probably a few good ones left with G Jon Asamoah leading the pack.
QB: In my order of preference: Tony Pike, Colt McCoy, John Skelton, Clausen.
What about...
CB: Chris Cook, Brandon Ghee, Jerome Murphy. These guys are ahead of Franks and Ansah on ESPN and CBS’s boards. I think Ghee especially is worth looking at.
Or are you suggesting we takw Franks or Ansah with our 2(62) pick? I think they’ll be around then. If so then it looks like we should take Asamoah or Brown (USC)/Saffold (IU) at OT with our 2(34) pick.
"Sloughing one's skin- The snake that cannot slough its skin, perishes. Likewise spirits which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be spirits." -- Nietzsche
Spivey is still on the board as well
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Spievey
is not in the same class as Franks or Owusu-Ansah, in my opinion (high, choppy backpedal, only average lateral movement….recovery speed is lacking…). I want a real coverage CB.
I’m getting most, but not all, of my info here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/2010/nfl-draft/flash.htm
I have a feeling...I feeling deep inside
That what you want and what is best for the Vikings ain’t the same thing,
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
You're entitled to your opinion
The Vikes have progressively worsened in pass D in the Childress era. Their biggest weakness has been pass coverage. Somehow, some Vikings fans have become brainwashed that it is better to have the best run D in an era which favors the passing game. Almost every other team has figured that out but the Vikes. How in the world have so many been brainwashed into believing that a talented coverage CB would somehow be bad for the Vikings?
Speaking of better pass D than the Vikes, how about the Saints? You know, a team that made better use of Vikings castoff Darren Sharper, operated primarily as a passing offense and had a better pass D than the Vikes? The Colts have also understood that the pass is more important than the run in today’s game. So do the Patriots (all 3 run a form of “the spread”).
I absolutely agree that what I think is good for the Vikings may differ from what the coaches and coordinators believe is good for the Vikings, but given their ineptitude at defending the pass, so what? I was right that Richard Marshall would be better than Cedric Griffin 4 years ago this week, too.
It boils down to facts
The Minnesota Vikings (not the KC Chiefs) had a higher rated pass defense than the Saints and were only slightly lower than the Colts (differed by 6 yards per game) in 2009.
The Vikings also had a better scoring defense than the Saints and were about even with the Colts, 19.5 to 19.2 respectively.
Now I know you love to throw in passer rating and competion % and other stats. But the team with a higher passer rating doesnt always win the game. The team that gives up fewer points always wins the game. In the case of the NFCCG vs the saints, the team that turned the ball over less won the game. And let me be real clear, the two most costly turnovers in that game (fumbled handoff before half time and Favre’s desperation INT) were turnovers, not takeaways.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Not by stats that matter
Yards allowed are meaningless.
Passer rating allowed rank:
2006: 5th
2007: 23rd
2008: 16th
2009: 27th
Defensive turnovers rank:
2006: 3rd
2007: 9th
2008: 15th
2009: 23rd
The truth is that the team hasn’t had an all-around good to great D since Mike Tomlin was employed.
These are the stats that matter
2006: 6-10 no playoffs
2007: 8-8 no playoffs
2008: 10-6 3rd seed in playoffs, host playoff game, lose in first round
2009: 12-4 2nd seed in playoffs, destroy Cowboys in divisional round, lose in OT in NFCCG to eventual superbowl champs.
Sounds like you’d rather have Tomlin and go 6-10. If you want to follow a 6-10 team, stick with the chiefs.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Tomlin
could have led a quality defense to go along with the improving offense, and had he been running the D last year especially, it could have meant a SB win instead of an NFCCG loss.
Your stats that matter include a losing playoff record. Cling to that all you want, but it isn’t anything great.
The 06 Vikes have a few things in common with the 09 Steelers
Tomlin was a coach for both teams, and neither made the playoffs.
I just don’t get your logic. Tomlin couldn’t get the steelers into the playoffs, but he would have helped us win the SB?
The fact is that we, and when I state we I mean the Vikings organization and its true fans, are better now than we were with Tomlin.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Tomlin is driving someone else's car (he's not even running his own D!)
Childress and Frazier had to tear their car apart and rebuild it.
I’m sure there’s a steelers site on sbnation that would love to have you. They need all the support now that they can get. ;-)
SKOL
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Of course he did
Favre threw 2 INTs and was illegally hit all game; while our defenders couldn’t even breath on the saint’s WRs. Under those circumstances, I would expect Brees to have a higher rating.
And despite all that, 5 turnovers and all, we were a play away from winning. We still were able to force OT, in which the saints had to rely on 2 very questionable calls from the officials, to kick a long field goal to win the game.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I don’t like Cook, who seems to be ranked highly because of size rather than skill. Ghee is another “toolsy” guy who hasn’t put it together and might not. Murphy’s scouting report talked about how tight he was in transition with a high and slow backpedal…and I want a real coverage CB.
Franks and Ansah, by contrast, are said to have great to outstanding coverage skills, transition ability, backpedal, etc. Although we all know that combine #s aren’t all that, Ansah also had the best 40 time as an added plus (not to mention is returning skills). So I think that either could be selected to cover the Vikes’ most pressing need (puns intended), and I would understand if they waited until #62 to select Ansah to pick a QB first (but I’d rather they wait until the 3rd round for Tony Pike).
Pete Carroll did not draft Taylor Mays
When given the opportunity to draft his guy, Taylor Mays, selected Earl Thomas instead. What does he know about Mays that we don’t in order to pass on him?
The Vikings don’t need more safeties anyway. They need a good coverage CB (preferably 2, but there are only 2 left: Dominique Franks and Akwasi Owusu-Ansah).
Nate Allen
What do you think about him? I kind of like him at #34.
by medicineball on Apr 23, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
And thats why they took Cook a CB/S
Taylor would have been a better pick as from BPA standpoint. He’s gonna be a differance maker because of his physical play. Can’t say that about Cook, I’ve heard he’s kinda soft. Pete carroll didnt take him because the Seahawks drafted too high (16) and Earl Thomas fell to them, the "2nd" best saftey in the draft. Pete would have got killed if he took Mays that high. But at 34, thats a steal for a the most physical DB in that draft.
We're not the only club to pass on Mays...
A lot of those USC guys got passed up. Maybe there’s more to Carroll leaving than we thought…
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
The Numbers say....
Min Gets: 34 (560), 100 (100) 214 (5.8) = 665.8
Det Gets: 30 (620) 128 (44) = 664
It was a good move for you guys I think. I don’t really get it from Detroit’s perspective. Would the Colts, Saints, or Rams really have taken a Rb? Colts have Addai and Brown was their 1st round pick in 09’, the Saints have almost too many Rb’s, and the Rams have Steven Jackson. Doesn’t add up for me. Essentially you guys moved down 2 spots, and moved up I think 28 spots in the 4th round correct? Just doesn’t add up for me.
Apparently
On NFL network insiders said the Colt’s would have picked Best as Addai is on the last year of his contract (apparently) and were looking to move on.
"I have seen women walk right past a TV set with a football game on and - this always amazes me - not stop to watch, even if the TV is showing replays of what we call a "good hit," which is a tackle that causes at least one major internal organ to actually fly out of a player's body."
I get it, but I don't...
I had some really intelligent things to say…but none of them make sense. Just like this trade to me…
If our only intention is to grab a good CB for as cheap as we can and call it a draft, then I get it. This draft is huge in DEF potential/ability, but OUR favorite CB’s are getting thin. I’m sure the homework was done, so I’ll trust the judgement, but c’mon man…
I love acquiring the extra picks…all for it…just don’t want to get carried away. I understand the feeling of the Vikes wanting to win today, not tomorrow. But we do hope to have a future as well. This run on a superbowl every 30+ years isn’t fun!
Or, maybe I’m just excited to finally put someone on the board…stayed up late last night here on the East Coast waiting for that (non) pick!
Lord, please keep Your arm around my shoulders and Your hand over my mouth. Amen.
stayed up late last night here on the East Coast waiting for that (non) pick!
Ugh, I hear ya!! I was busy until 11:00 last night (central time) so I DVR’ed the draft and watched it when I got home. 3 hours of watching and waiting only to see the Vikes trade their damn pick!! Did I mention I had to work at 8:00 this morning?! I’m paying for that waste of time today!
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
Its called fast forward….skip ahead throughout and you can cut the time down tremendously if you just skp past the talk to the selection or trade alerts.
We are the vikings.......resistance is futile.
you can fast forward on DVR???
NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I skipped commercials and ff’ed when banter got too lame, but I wasn’t going to let a change to primetime and prior commitments COMPLETELY remove me from a tradition I have come to know and love dearly. If I was just oging to FF to each pick, why not just hop online and read a recap?
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
My two cents
My thought is the CBs they targeted were gone. Clausen and McCoy were not going anywhere in the next 3 picks. They took the opportunity to pick up additional picks and still get a QB. They can then still get a shot at the remaining CBs with out having to reach for them to early.
by taf442001 on Apr 23, 2010 12:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I wanted Dan Williams
So we can extend that Williams wall. Poo :(
I know right?
Have him come in on the pass plays, so either way an offense had to deal with a Williams wall.
My over view….
We gave ourselves the same selected player, but in the beginning of round #2 but gained a PICK out of the deal and moved up our 4th.
With Acquiring Lito, we had flexibility… I think we just went with our flexibility to try to give ourselves chances to key on certain players later.
Now, we can use our extra picks to move up on selected players when they seem available.
I watched a video last night from the Vikings blog and seen how they had their players in mind and they were all taken. The Vikings “DID” try to move up one time, but were denied. So for those that think the Vikings were not being aggressive need look into what they’re saying before they type.
This move was stated to give themselves flexibility. They’re still probably able to get the guy they would of picked at #30 with the trade… They’re really out of no loss, in that case. Now they can use these picks to move up when key players seem to slightly fall into their place.
I think we’ll have a strong list of players we draft, but they’ll happen in the 2/3/4 rounds..
Spielman
I watched it.. it’s not written, it’s on a video..
Check the Vikings blog…
He said they tried to move up on the draft once, but were denied.
He also said that they had a player in mind at #30, but, assumed a trade down would work just as well.
We probably played spoilers to the Colts, and will still get the same pick as we want with swapping 4ths and gaining a 7th.
He also said that the getting Lito gave them flexibility for the draft.
He also said that having the trade gave them flexibility in the draft by having more picks..
I saw the Link on Facebook, and ended up on a Vikings blog.. I think it is off of Vikings.com
I saw other members saw the same video.
Typo
I can’t see them trading down and risking somebody making a trade with Detroit to get their #33 pick.
I think you mean St Louis, right?
Not trying to be picky, but first time I read it I got completely on the wrong track, because I thought you were talking about the #30 pick we traded to them. If you were, then … I don’t think it was a risk, there was not a lot of time left on the clock after we traded the pick to detroit, was there?
Yeah, my bad
I did mean St. Louis.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
God I hope they do not take a QB
The QB’s left look pretty average to me. Is there any season when a comparable guy isn’t there in the late 1st/ early 2nd round? Why would I care about Jimmy Clausen or Colt McCoy? The odds are quite long these guys are going to be pro-bowl caliber QBs.
The Vikes should take an impact playing WHO MIGHT ACTUALLY GET ON THE FIELD NEXT YEAR. They have a superbowl window now. Get someone who’s going to be on the field contributing next year, at least on special teams but hopefully an upgrade that can start right away.
I’m actually of the opinion that T-Jack will be a better than average QB in 2011. We can always draft a QB next year, and pick up another veteran after next season, assuming Rosenfels and Favre are both gone.
This is just like drafting Daunte the year after the 98 season, when they still had a superbowl window and they drafted a guy who didn’t get onto the field the next season.
by HammeroftheGods on Apr 23, 2010 1:48 PM CDT reply actions
Bruce Cambell
you can teach the kid to block, besides that he is a straight beast and would be able to start on our line
Nah, too raw. That's like teaching TJack not to throw jump passes that hit his WR's feet. It's a waste of time
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
CAMPBELL is the guy I think they should take
I understand he is raw, but he is a potential IMPACT player. Could we play him at Guard this year? He has to be better than Herrera… and perhaps in the future he could move to RT (move Loadholt to LT and get rid of over-rated, over-paid bum McKinnie)
IM WORRIED
This is starting to smell like a MIKE LYNN draft lets pick a bunch of back up players on the cheap .I am afraid we may not get any help for this years team. I HOPE I AM WRONG!
You are wrong
Spielman and Childress are 3/3 and 4/4 respectively in finding at least 2-3 starters in each draft.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Help me out here
I don’t see where a CB will fit on this team right now. We have:
Winfield – hopefully can stay healthy, but is getting old, but WILL start the season
Griffin – may not be ready right away
Lito Sheppard – just signed, good veteran
Asher Allen – 3rd round pick last year, showed some signs of playmaking ability
So taking another CB will help us immediately how? I can see the long term benefits, but he won’t play much if we draft him now, unless you’re banking on injuries, which you shouldn’t do. I think an interior OL, a backup RB, or even a DT here would see more playing time than a CB. Thats just my opinion, flame away.
No I agree
But you’re also forgetting about Benny Sapp. I don’t see us taking a CB. Especially since it seems our top CB target got taken by the Saints. Personally, I’m hoping against hope they go for Clausen, who should be a steal in the 2nd round, but I doubt they will since I read a report that they think Favre, somehow, will be playing another 2 years.
I guess I for one think having 5 cornerbacks is not that weird. In fact, pretty typical, isn’t it?
And don’t forget that Lito is only signed to a one year deal. I think he is a stopgap, not a solution.
yes but
next year there will be another crop of corners we can go after without giving away too much in the draft this year… Every year there are always 4-5 great CB’s… so if we have a one year stop gap why draft one now when we can get one of equal or greater value next year???
by SynysterGates on Apr 23, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
rookies get burned
rookies get burned at cb, and winfield and griffin are coming off injuries. status on griffin is unknown, winfield is getting older every year. i think that the 5 cb theory includes those hybrid type nickel-back-free-safety types. i like versatility.
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
Why does everyone keep talking about our window for a superbowl closing???
All of our great players are in their 3rd-6th years. The only aging players on our team are winfield, Hutch, Favre… Those can be replaced within 3 years pretty easy, except Favre. We can alway get a good veteran QB at the end of any season. Allen, KWill, AD, Rice, Berrian, Harvin, Etc.. are all young! Our superbowl window is at least 3-5 more years…
Maybe not
But we have at least a few years before we need to worry about that
by SynysterGates on Apr 23, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The players getting older are...
Brett Favre – 40
Pat Williams – 38
Steve Hutchinson – 32
Antoine Winfield – 32
Ben Leber – 31
Bryant McKinnie – 30
EJ Henderson – 29
Kevin Williams 29
Now are some of those guys grandfathers yet? No, but in the NFL, they’re getting up there, meaning as you hit a certain wall, usually around 30, your performance starts to decline, you’re not as fast, and you’re more suseptable to injury.
I personally think the vikes are in good shape, as long as you draft well, and none of your key players have scandals or somehow die, you can remain dominant. The thing is, the NFL has so much parity, a lot of teams are good, players are getting better, so if you’re on the tail end in age for your key players (like the vikings are) you want to make a run at the SB while you’re still in best physical shape.
Last year the vikings were VERY lucky and dodged the injury bug, and I think a huge part of that was because of their relative youth right now, might not be considered youthful in a couple years.
None of them Grandfathers??
You must be trying to get someone to say something HAHA
We all should know about Grandpa Favre by now.. Geesh!!
agreed
i think it’s all about reloading young players with veterans to keep the team competitive during a “re-building year” ala the patriots and niners of old.
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
Picture that goes w/ Article
I laugh when I see those phones.. they look so old-school… like something from the 80s offices..
Good points but...
I tend to understand (and agree) with the point about rookie CBs not necessarily being impact players in year 1; however, according to this report, the Vikings DID want to draft a CB in round 1:
The Vikings wanted Patrick Robinson
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/23/the-vikings-wanted-patrick-robinson/
And we got BURNED when the Saints beat us (irony is not lost on me) to him after we traded down. Great…
We traded down and as a result went from Patrick Robinson to Chris Cook. In retrospect, that was not the best move.
That said, I like Chris Cook. I really like his athleticism and fluidity. He can add something special to our defensive backs.
by medicineball on Apr 23, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
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