2010 NFL Draft: Minnesota Vikings Select Stanford Running Back Toby Gerhart With the 51st Overall Pick
Whoa. Totally did not see this coming, but I LOVE this pick.
The Vikings moved up to the Houston Texans' spot at #51 to select the Heisman Trophy candidate out of Stanford. To make the move, the Vikings gave up their second round pick (#62 overall) and their third-round selection (#93 overall).
After the Vikings lost Chester Taylor this off-season, they needed someone to fill the backup RB/potential third down back role on the roster, and they couldn't ask for much more than what they got in Gerhart. Here's what SBNation's Mocking the Draft has to say about the newest Viking:
Acceleration/Burst/Quickness: Has the extra gear in open space to take advantage of defensive backs that take poor angles. Lacks the elite burst at the point of attack to explode through creases.
Ball Protection: Too comfortable with the ball in his right hand. Does a poor job of keeping the ball beneath his outside shoulder. Makes it easy for the defender to strip by keeping the ball towards the middle of the field.
Elusiveness/Feet/Agility: Does not miss a lot of hits in traffic. Does not make himself small through traffic, lacks wiggle. Light on his feet for a back his size. Can run with strong steps or dance with light feet when trying to get in to space.
Pass Catching: Was rarely used as a receiver. 39 receptions in 38 games. Has the ability to see the ball in to his hands.
Pass Blocking: Has the power to knock a blitzer off his feet. Strong technique as a blocker that delivers a pop, but also sticks to his man. Very reliable to make the smart decisions while protecting the quarterback.
Power: Has immense power with tremendous leg drive. Consistently pushed the pile forward. Is rarely knocked backward. Gets his weight moving forward and uses all of it to get the tough yards. Rips his way through arm tackles. Will take advantage of a high tackler by sticking his hat in to the defender’s numbers and driving him back. Hard to bring down with one tackler.
Size/Length/Hand Size: Big body that has balanced strength from head to toe. Stocky build that can handle 20+ carries week in and week out.
Speed: Has been clocked under 4.5 with a biased Stanford timer. Has enough game speed to be an every down runner in the NFL. Lacks the gear in the open field to run away from defensive backs with speed.
Vision/Balance/Running Instincts: Has plenty of experience starting off deep in the backfield and using his vision to break off long runs. Reads defenses well and anticipates running lanes. Knows when to lower the shoulder and get the tough yards. A very good situational runner.
Final Word: Despite spending four years at Stanford, Gerhart is considered an underclassman in draft standards because of a medical redshirt he used in 2007 as a result of a torn ACL in his left knee. Considering his upright running style and his disadvantage off the bat when it comes to NFL athleticism, teams will approach the All American’s draft status with caution. There is not doubt he has the ability to break tackles and gain yards after contact, two vital components to the running back position in the NFL, but his already damaged knee and lack of top tier athleticism will downgrade his stock. He will best be used in a system that allows him to carry the ball in certain situations rather then being depended upon to carry the ball every down. His intangibles are top notch and he is both a dedicated and accomplished two sport athlete that will enter the league as a guy that every coach wants on the field on way or another. He will get a shot as a tailback, but has the body and physicality to make the move to fullback in a pinch. If he works out well, Gerhart could be a top 45 selection.
This guy is a BEAST, and is going to fit in just fine for Minnesota. I like this pick a lot.
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I feel we should have taken mays or nate allen over of chris cook – but i’m excited about toby
by Loki The Viking God on Apr 23, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually should have taken jon asamoah instead of chris cook now that I think about it
by Loki The Viking God on Apr 23, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Lions fan here
I wanted to pair him with Best and run the ball down your throats. I yelled FUCK!!!! at my tv when the Vikes made this pick. Very nice pick
Life is a waste of time and time is a waste of life... so lets get wasted all the time and have the time of our lives!
HELL YEAH!
Favorite move of the off-season already.
"Last season, we knocked on the door. Next season, we’re kicking it down."
SKÖL VIKINGS!
SHOW YOUR HORNS!
Goodbye Tahi!
Our new fullback is here. Fullback/runningback hybrid. Interesting 3rd down package. He can block but idk about catch.
I like it for the most part
But then I read his ball protection write up. Our 2 runningbacks have fumble problems… awesome
by why am i in omaha on Apr 23, 2010 6:57 PM CDT reply actions
Not according to Fox Sports,
This is what they had to say, check out the fourth line from the bottom…
The only Heisman Trophy finalists that don’t get selected in the first round are usually quarterbacks, but Gerhart might not get to the podium until the second or third because he’s far from a typical tailback. In fact, some wonder if his power rushing style and massive body make him more suited for a fullback role. However, Gerhart insisted at the NFL combine that he wants to be a running back, a position at which he burst onto the scene in 2009 as he led the nation with 343 carries, 1,871 rushing yards and 28 touchdowns – a Pac-10 record. Though Gerhart was coming off an 1,100-yard junior year, few saw a Heisman runner-up season coming for a player who some believed would be more focused on baseball. A key contributor to Stanford’s 2008 College World Series team, Gerhart insists he won’t try to be a two-sport star and is committed to developing his running skills to disprove the skeptics who feel he’s more likely to be a short-yardage back than an every-down, Pro Bowl-type performer. He already did some quieting of his critics with a solid 4.53 time in the 40-yard dash at the combine. A unanimous first-team All-America selection and a Pac-10 All-Academic first teamer, Gerhart showed scouts he can be a workhorse while leading the Cardinal to their winningest season since 2001. The Southern California native was rarely used in the passing game but has decent hands, rarely fumbling, and even threw for a touchdown against Notre Dame. He ended his career by racking up 135 yards against the nation’s eighth-ranked rushing defense in a Sun Bowl loss to Oklahoma. There wasn’t one game in his senior year when he averaged fewer than 4.2 yards per carry and he had three 200-yard games, including a school-record 223 in a win over a seventh-ranked Oregon team.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
The past few 2nd rounds for the Vikes
We traded up to pick Jackson…
We traded up to draft Tyrell Johnson…
And now we traded up to select Toby Gerhart
That’s all the evidence I need to think he’s not going to do much
by why am i in omaha on Apr 23, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
They've also drafted
Sidney Rice, Cedric Griffin, and Phil Loadholt.
I guess I’ll take the glass is half full approach.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
lol
This guy will fail because other guys at other positions drafted in other years didn’t do well under somewhat similar circumstances. Can’t argue with that.
For the players taken in the 2nd that the Vikes traded up to get, I believe we reached for those players and haven’t gotten an appropriate return on our investment for them. Given the run of rbs taken right after Gerhart, I commend the Vikes for making moves to get their guy. I’m still under the belief that we reached for him, much like we reached for two mid-major conference players in previous drafts.
And archie, you’re right… you can’t argue with my logic. It’s impeccable.
by why am i in omaha on Apr 23, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
So it's terrible that they drafted
A fairly good back-up QB and our starter at Safety?
blown draft picks
what the hell is going on here, dumb ass pick early second round and a real dumb ass pick later in second round and we gave up our third round pick dumb dumb dumb. first off there were and still are backs we could have signed and what about a qb for the future it isn’t tjack or sage so what the hell are they thinking time to fire coaches and how ever else was responsible for this drat flop…..
i feel you man...
if we don’t trade up to get McCoy i am gonna be pretty pissed off
LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!
Well
considering that the Vikings have hit more than they’ve missed when it comes to drafts in the Spielman/Chilly era, I’m going to out on a limb and say that they have at least a general idea of what they’re doing. You don’t know what will happen in the future, at least wait until all the picks have failed before calling them dumb. If you’re screaming for firings now what would you have done if the Vikings “reached” for Tom Brady in the second round back when he was drafted? Hindsight’s 20/20.
QB of the future? Who knows, maybe they feel that after a year or two under Favre, TJack will be that guy.
Look, I get that you’re pissed because you think they passed on talent that couldn’t be passed on and that they picked some guys you didn’t think were that good, but we’ve improved every year since Chilly started, we’ve gotten 2 of the last 3 Rookie-Of-The-Year awards, we’ve drafted some other nice guys like Greenway, Rice, Loadholt, etc., and we’ve picked up some good guys like Shaincoe. We just won the NFC North and were one play away from the Super Bowl. How about trusting the coaches until it’s proven that they screwed up, instead of screaming for heads to roll after they do one thing that you don’t like?
by ViKINGSoftheNORTH on Apr 23, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dam straight
I think the Vikes have done an absolutely wonderful job drafting these previous years.
ALL of their picks last year made the 53-man roster. That is saying something. I’m not totally sold on Chris Cook (I think we could have gotten him a little later) but we do need a big CB to take care of those tall WRs and someone who could throw some weight around against the TEs that burn us every 3rd down.
The Gerhart trade was interesting. I thought we would pick up a mid to late 3rd round RB but Gerhart is an absolute stud and may provide us with an interesting RB/FB package on 3rd downs.
true that...
good reply votn… gerhart is a great pick to fill a need not to mention he is a beast with the ball! (check out his youtube vids)… i love these guys who just want media darling qb’s with names they are familiar with… "bombs from favre to moss! is what they want…
"Somewhere in Minnesota, a child becomes a Vikings fan and wonders if they will win a Super Bowl in their lifetime"
by Skol!dTimer on Apr 23, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not Dwyer
We could have Jonathon Dwyer (GTech) in the 3rd, maybe 4th. He has more similar toughness, better quicks. Dissapointed with the Gerhahrt reach.
"Sloughing one's skin- The snake that cannot slough its skin, perishes. Likewise spirits which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be spirits." -- Nietzsche
more similar
I meant to say something more differenter there: “similar toughness”
"Sloughing one's skin- The snake that cannot slough its skin, perishes. Likewise spirits which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be spirits." -- Nietzsche
Gerhart...
is basically a fullback we wasted a second and third round pick for. He is a great player but we have adrian unless he starts splitting carries with adrian on a normal basis he is a waste. He can block which is a plus but he can’t catch (39 rec in 38 games), he has problems with ball security(great) and he also has durability issues. It is a stretch, we need a qb sooner rather than later…and i dont want to waste another pick on a john david booty like player on saturday.
LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!
He can catch,
he just wasnt thrown to often. I dont know if he’s worth our second and third but he fits our 2nd rb role perfectly. Most of what I read says that if he wasnt white there wouldnt be any talk of him being a fullback.
Nah
This was a good pick. Like Billick said on NFL Network, Vikes are going to pummel their opponents.
As for the QB position, who? Colt McCoy? he is still available even as I write this. Besides, the value for someone like Skelton in the 5th is a far better risk than Colt McCoy.
On top of that, we have very few, if any, starting positions that will be filled by draft picks. Whatever we pick, other than CB, is going to be a backup. This was a great compliment pick after losing Chester. We needed this far more than a backup QB who we can get later this draft (Pike, Skelton, LeFevour, McCoy, etc all still available)
I want Skelton
In his pro day the was gushing like mad and his pass cut though the wind. The guy got a cannon for an arm.
Couldn't agree more...
Skelton is most likely one of the next QB off the board. My guess is that we probably pick someone like Myron Rolle in the 4th and pray that Skelton is available in the 5th. If that happens this would be a great draft!
He isn't starting
and he would get the time in practice to develop under Favre as a backup. Well worth it if he is available in the 5th round.
There is no way we are drafting him to start this year. He is a backup for a year, or nothing.
Or Blount.
What kills me is there was only one other CB taken after Cook in round 2: Arenas.
We’ll have to wait and see, but right now I wish they had gone Daryl Washington up top and then someone like Spievey (or Cook?) at the bottom.
must be something they like about this kid
I agree I would have waited and taken Spievey who I think fits better into the cover 2. They must have someone in mind when being so high on a 6’ 2" CB. I don’t know but I trust our warroom.
Even Ducasse
Even a OG like Ducasse or Mike Johnson would have been better than forfeiting our 3rd round pick to reach for Gehrart. Dissappointed.
"Sloughing one's skin- The snake that cannot slough its skin, perishes. Likewise spirits which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be spirits." -- Nietzsche
Boring
This has been a boring draft so far for Vikings fans, but we at least have two quality players that we added. Both will be good contributors.
boring is good
leave all the “exciting” picks to Al Davis, the Bengals and the Browns.
Watch and Learn Fools
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLh_yO41jw
If we draft an upgrade at RG and get back to POUNDING THE ROCK, we will BEAT TEAMS DOWN with AD and Gerhart.
awesome
That is a great video. I’m so pumped up now. My take on Gerhart is that I worry about him getting injured in the pros. Well, here’s hoping he stays healthy!
How would you like to play defense against Adrian Peterson, Toby Gerhart, and Brett Favre.
Oh, and the one main weakness our defense had, passes thrown to tight ends and tall wide receivers, is now officially over, trademark Chris Cook.
by medicineball on Apr 23, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
a little different
Gerhart doesn’t have the ability to dodge tacklers like Peterson. The two will complement each other nicely. The opposing defense will be all tangled up.
by medicineball on Apr 23, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a 'Trust-Draft'
The Vikings grabbed guys that no one in the world predicted, which goes to show how great Speilmann is at hiding his intent. Now we’ll see if he’s also great at spotting overlooked talent that no one else wanted.
So we have to ‘trust’ that the Purple Brain-Trust gets more hits than misses, as usual.
I certainly hope so, because so far, I’m decidedly underwhelmed by this year’s draft choices. I’ll withhold judgement though, until we see what happens in the pre-season.
On the plus side… maybe Skelton could still fall to the Vikings :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
"underwhelmed" fer sher
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
Gearhart was hidden well
Chris Cook was not. Everyone knew they loved this kid and visited him. What was a surprise was taking him at # 34. My guess is they felt someone behind them would take him otherwise why not trade down a bit further?
although...
i like the gerhart pick, i’m not sure that giving up our 3rd round pick also justifies the move up. i really didn’t hear alot of talk about other teams picking him up. i think trading 2nd, and maybe one of our 5th round picks would have been more acceptable.
by indianavikesfan on Apr 23, 2010 8:58 PM CDT reply actions
couldn't happen that way with a 5th
the AZ/NE trade set the bar for what we needed to give up, to move up. Our trade was basically a carbon copy of theirs
by ajmargarine on Apr 24, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Besides, we don’t have enough room on the roster for 9 draft picks. Use them, and use them for players you feel wil make the team.
Personally, I would have already started trading picks for next years draft. With Andrew Luck, Ryan Mallet and Jake Locker coming out, why not give up picks this year for somebody’s # 1 next year. Then you have two # 1 and can position well….. Easier said than done I realize, but certainly could have given up pick # 30 for a # 1 next year even if wwe had to throw in our # 3 this year.
Imagine
having to tackle AD and Toby all game then trying to chase down Percy in the 4th qtr…..makes me tired just thinking about it.
wait
Somebody left Shiancoe open. Or Rice. Or Berrian, or Kleinsasser.
by medicineball on Apr 23, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
TO ALL THE HATERS!!!!!!!!!
WHY DONT YOU GUYS SHUT UP AND LET THE PROFESSIONALS HANDLE THIS DRAFT? YOU GUYS NEED T WORRY ABOUT YOUR LAME FANTASY DRAFTS BECAUSE YOU GUYS DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE REAL BUSINESS F DRAFTING
Chill out, Mr. Spielman
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
I WONT CHILL
BECAUSE IT NEEDED TO BE SAID… U GUYS ARE NEGATIVE FOR NO REASON
I dunno about no reason
The Chris Cook pick kinda disappointed me, since there were 2 supposedly-good QB prospects still on the board, and I feel Favre’s over after this season. So there’s some reason to gripe. Granted we don’t know how it will turn out, but as fans we have every reason to gripe about some of the moves.
What if the Vikings are working on bringing in Big Ben?
Just sayin’… might be why they’re not interested in Clausen or McCoy…
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
LIKE I SAID
UR NOT A DRAFT OR PERSONNEL EXPERT. WE PAY PEOPLE FOR THAT… SO TRUST THAT THEY ARE MAKING THE RIGHT MOVES… COLT McCOY IS NOT A GOOD QB
U do know theyre about to get on yu for all the past football stars who were drafted late and even went undrafted ( i.e. Tom brady, john randall)
by vikesfan4lyf on Apr 23, 2010 9:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i think you got caps locked on, that's so cool
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
smashmouth
Running the ball is going to be our offensive identity, now more than ever than in 2010. It is the perfect antidote to the exotic blitz junk we saw from the Saints that they are going to try again along with the other teams we play.
hope this kid knows how to find a hole behind our zone blocking polka scheme
cuz AP sure don’t. Unless we do the unthinkable and actually power block in the running game, which would only mean the super bowl for us… :o
by ajmargarine on Apr 24, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Not a pass catcher...
The only thing I don’t like about this pick is he doesn’t look like a 3rd down back. What we miss from Taylor, in my opinion, is a 3rd down back who can catch a pass out of the backfield. If this guy didn’t do it in college, what is there to suggest he can do it in the pros?
Otherwise, getting an RB filled a need, so it is a reasonable pick. This guy looks like someone who can get on the field next year, so good.
by HammeroftheGods on Apr 23, 2010 9:44 PM CDT reply actions
He played center field in college baseball at Stanord. He can catch.
by medicineball on Apr 23, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
With a glove
His baseball playing doesn’t directly mean he can catch a football.
Anyone know how many dropped passes he had?
Woud it be derogatory
to start calling Toby & Adrian “Salt & Pepper”?… The commentation almost writes itself -
“The Vikings have been spicing it up on this drive, with equal parts ‘Salt & Pepper’”
AWESOME!
I bleed PURPLE!... no, seriously, my blood doesn't react properly with oxygen which causes a purple hue
"salt and peppa"
lol nice names bro…should get it copyrighted
LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!
by alldayson28 on Apr 23, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to agree with you...
but I see you’re a Lakers fan which nullifies any opinion you have… just kidding (I’m a Magic fan… kudos for last year). Copywriting it’s a cool thought, but I think a mediocre female rap group from the ’90s already beat me to it
I bleed PURPLE!... no, seriously, my blood doesn't react properly with oxygen which causes a purple hue
I think Ray and Robison
tried calling themselves that a couple years ago. They had some crappy shake/sprinkle dance they did after a sack.
by CanadianViking on Apr 23, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, their first mistake was
coming up with their own nicknames! (you think Adrian started calling himself ‘All-Day’?)… And then a dance on top of that? I’m picturing a cheerier version of Ricky Bobby’s “Shake n Bake”
I bleed PURPLE!... no, seriously, my blood doesn't react properly with oxygen which causes a purple hue
I think it was their rookie season.
They combined for eight sacks so it wasn’t demonstrated very much but it was bad. I remember it being a little shimmy while shaking one hand like they were dumping salt onto the ground. Nicknames are always lame when you give them to yourself and the dance was really bad.
by CanadianViking on Apr 23, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I say go for it
I vote not racist
Fact: Adrian is black, Gerhart is white.
Fact: Pepper is black, salt is white.
May the efforts of Salt & pepper season our…season.
ain't that cute
wetz give dem widdo nick names…….how about “ebony and ivory, living in perfect harmony” !!
just kidding, i couldn’t resist.
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
Blah blah
To the my fellow Rubes that are willing to give chilly and Co. the benefit of the doubt, I’m Wit ya!!! To the cats that are bitchn bout the picks ….. Get over it and move to Philly…. Only Philly fans can byitch about a team or QB that wins on a regular…… imagine the games AP will have after Toby beats these defenders down and they have little left in their tanks…
Dude this pick alone will be one of the greatest in Vikings recent history…. AP will put up 2500 yards and 30tds I’m so xcited bout this white boy!!!!!
Skol….. We are in a win now mode…. McCoy and clausen will be good but were waitig for franchise……… Skol
by PURPLEPUSSYEATER on Apr 23, 2010 10:42 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm torn after two days
I can understand the trade down, but I thought to a division rival wasn’t the smartest thing. I don’t know a thing about Cook, but I refuse to do the kneejerk ‘this guy sucks’ meme, or the ever intelligent ‘F minus minus minus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLZ U SUX.’
Toby Gerhart is an intriguing pick. Reminds me a lot of Mike Alstott, but the tandem reminds me a lot of the Ron Dayne-Tiki Barber backfield the Giants had a few years back. Only Gerhart and AD are a lot better.
In each of the last four drafts, there was a ‘wow’ moment for me in each one. 2006 was Greenway, 2007 was Adrian Peterson, 2008 was the Jared Allen trade, and 2009 was Percy and Phil Loadholt…couldn’t believe big Phil was still around in the second round.
This year has been a lot of meh, and the trade is a large part of it. I was kind of pissed I watched the whole first round just to watch the Vikes trade their pick away. It was like waking up on Christmas morning and having nothing but clothes under the tree. Clothes? No toys? That’s bullshit, mom! Jesus WANTED me to have toys!!
However, the meh has to be taken in context. From 2006-2009, the Vikings needed significant upgrades at multiple positions, so it was expected that first and second round guys step up and play.
In 2010, the Vikings are essentially drafting for depth, and dare I say luxury, which kind of makes me wonder why they didn’t go after Jimmy Clausen. But I digress.
I think the immediate reactions on Cook have been nearly comical. Childress and Spielman have earned some credit with me when it comes to the draft, so let’s see how Mr. Cook does once he puts on pads. If you hadn’t noticed, there are some pretty big, physical receivers in the NFC North with Calvin Johnson and Greg Jennings, and Cook is a big physical guy. If he can disrupt their routes and make Stafford, Cutler, Rodgers hold on to the ball an extra second, Jared Allen will make them pay.
We’ll see.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Jermichael Finley Insurance
If he can cover Jermichael Finley I’ll love this pick. Maybe opposing tight ends won’t own us now?
by drew10 on Apr 24, 2010 1:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What??????
We gave up a 2nd and a 3rd for Toby. Another stupid chilly draft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How to Maddenize Toby Gerhart?
I thinking about creating this beast but the question is how? 88 speed? 86 strenght? he has excellent ball carrying vision… what rating should I give that? 99 trucking of course right? His catch? I want to know how you guys would probably make him. Let me know.
Okay lets see what we got so far
Chris Cook,:A good player with size at CB (which we needed), he already knows how to play in a cover two zone sceme and he’ll help on ST’s. Did we reach for him? Probably but I’m over it already.
Toby Gerhart: A bruising running back, good character, and team player. Probably the best blocking RB in the draft which is going to go a long way for team. Did we reach for him? No. Did we give to much to get him? Maybe, losing our 3rd round pick hurts but come September I’ll have long forgot about it. We just added years to AP’s career with this pick.
Tomorrow: get an OL, hopefully a OG or Cam Thomas DT at #100
That is one way to look at it
You could also have taken Jahvid Best at #30, John Jerry at #62 which we need, and Brandon Ghee at #93. But they should have taken Clausen.
I am not too high on either of the picks but they were OK. I think the Cook pick was a reach and I would have waited for Gerhart.
Most of all I was hoping that they would come out of this draft with the majority of their picks, whoever they would have been (because I really do not know more then them), in the first 3 rounds. I wanted them to get more picks in the first 3 rounds not less.
Now we have the majority of our picks in the crap end of the draft. In the round where the chance of a player being even able to make the team very low. Each round it gets lower.
Denver managed to wheel and deal and end up with 5 picks. Good ones too. Well at least 4.
Criticizing this organization is good and is healthy. I am not a sheep that will follow along with a bunch of drones.
They have not really done that well in the draft since Spielman arrived either. Yes they got AP, Rice, Harvin, & Loadholt. But all of us could have made those picks. They were easy. It is the later picks that are much harder.
They traded up for Tyrell who is a borderline bust, traded up for Cook & Jackson (although Spielman was not here for that – Chilly was) both who are borderline busts, traded up for Booty, drafted Guion, Jaymar, Chandler Williams, Tyler Thigpen who they let go, Marcus McCauley, John Sullivan and Brian Robison who are OK.
This past year they drafted Allen, Brinkley, & Sanford who did OK. But the depth on the team was so piss poor that late round guys could easily make our team.
One decent year of late round drafting does not make up for prior years. And their trading around ability is not that good.
There is a reason why coaches and GMs get let go.
I am not drinking the kool aid on these two guys even though they are OK.
We will regret the day they passed on Clausen. They wont because they have no clue.
MM, I hope they get Sheehan and he is good because TJack is done as a Viking IMHO and Sage is just a career backup.
You do not pass on a potential franchise QB when all you have is a grandpa and two backups.
I mostly agree with you for once.
I don’t mind the Cook pick to much as it seemed they had him targeted for a long time and I like his size. The Gerhart pick wasn’t bad but I dislike the trade to get him. We could have stood pat or traded our fifth to get Tate, Hardesty, or Dixon without losing our third rounder.
Losing that third meant we missed out on possible trade opportunities to get Asamoah, Ducasse, and other quality lineman. I don’t mind passing on Clausen as he fell so far for a reason. Many teams passed on him multiple times so there has to be a lot more flaws to him then us fans noticed.
I wish we had traded more effectively as we moved around a lot but didn’t really improve our position much. It seemed that our timing was off with each move we made. A commenter on another blog summed it up well by saying that he liked our picks but didn’t like the way we went about getting them. Underwhelmed is my impression of our draft so far.
by CanadianViking on Apr 24, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
you guys forget
that past few years the Vikes only had 5 picks per draft, and they made good use of those 5 picks each of those years.Yea the Head Office didnt draft they way you wanted,but they have a good track record and good eye for talent and those players that fit us.I cant complain the way they have drafted years before and I for one am willing to trust them this year also.
Hey Gonzo save these posts from draft this year and revisit say mid november, see what everyone says then.
OFF SEASON MOVES INCLUDING THE DRAFT
1 Hired a new db coach 2 signed a kicker to make teams start at the 20yd line more often 3 signed a de for depth 4 signed Lito Sheppard to play right corner until our starter is ready to play. draft 1rst pick a big db that can play corner or free safety 2nd pick a big running back with good speed this guy( for you old timer’s likeme) reminds me of John Riggins. And the draft isnt even half way over and there is still alot of good players on theboard. So far our off season is pretty good considering the rules our team had to work under.
Since the Detroit trade netted us a seventh, and moved us up in the 4th, in exchange for moving down from 30 to 34, and this trade moved us up (original pick) iun the second and lost our third, the net result of our two trades is:
1. Move down 4 spots with our first pick
2. Move up 11 spots with our second pick
3. Move down 4 spots with our third pick (our original end of 3rd rounder, for detroit’s #2 in the 4th)
4. Trade our 4th pick for a 7th round pick.
If you compare the complete before & after, I think that’s what you get.
If we had these two players on our board and we really wanted them over other options, and knew both would go early/middle 2nd, then I guess it’s a good pick. But otherwise, not looking at specific players, looking at overall math of the description above … meh
Close analysis but not quite right.
I see the first as the same. We moved back 4 spots. We had 4 players equally rated as late first round picks. All four were still there. I assume they were Robinson, Cook, Saffold and Price.
All four were equal in talent and need at their position. One would be available at #34 and we wanted the extra pick for some reason. Cook is a fine player. Even though I thought a good CB would be available later I trust Spielman to have seen something special in Cook.
We traded away our 3rd round pick #94 to move up for Gerhart. We have the #98 pick. But it isn;t 4 spots. Its 7 spots. Because there are three compensatory picks at the end of the 3rd round. We missed the opportunity so far on Rennie Curran and Mike Johnson which were both on the Vikings radar. The next pick is really vital for our draft. I suspect it will be an O-Lineman. We passed on LB Darrell Washington by taking Cook. We passed on guards Asamoah, and Johnson and tackle Charles Brown by taking Gerhart. They must be in absolute love with Gerhart. No reason not to be.
I still have 3rd round grades on Jason Fox and Ciron Black for the O-Line that are still available. Exceptional players also will be available for our two 5th round picks. We will probably trade one or both of the 7th rounders to move up in the 5th or into the 6th.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 24, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions

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