Gonzo's Fourth Annual Super Ultra Mega NFL Draft Grade Extravaganza
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this is the fourth NFL Draft that The Daily Norseman has been around to cover for fans of the Beloved Purple from coast to coast and border to border. And it's been less than 48 hours since the 2010 version of the NFL Draft reached its conclusion, which can only mean one thing. . .it's time for people to evaluate the draft classes of every team in the league.
The grades have not been terribly favorable to our favorite team thus far, from everything I've seen. Mel Kiper from ESPN.com gave us a C- mark (can't link to it, since it's on ESPN Insider, but that's what he gave us). Someone named Rob Rang from NFLDraftScout.com has given the Vikings a B-. Pete Prisco from CBS Sports gives the Vikings a C+. There are lots of other draft sites out there as well, all of whom have their takes on the Minnesota Vikings 2010 draft class.
So what's my grade for the group of young men that are set to be the newest members of the Minnesota Vikings this August? Well, go ahead and hit the jump to find out! Oh, and you might want to grab a beverage and a snack. . .this is gonna be a long one.
(Michael Scott mode) That's what she said. (/Michael Scott mode)
Here's my grade for the Minnesota Vikings' 2010 Draft class. . .it's the same grade I give the Vikings' draft class basically every year, and all of you that have followed the site for a while probably know exactly what it is. So, here we go!
Gonzo's grade for the 2010 Minnesota Vikings draft class is. . .incomplete.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. . .personally, I absolutely, positively detest the concept of grading a draft class before they've even put on NFL uniforms for the first time, let alone taken the field for any sort of NFL competition. I have zero idea what the players the Vikings selected this year are going to do. Same goes for Mel Kiper, Pete Prisco, Mike Mayock, Todd McShay, and everybody else that watched this year's draft unfold. There is no way that anybody can reasonably grade a draft class less than 48 hours after the draft, unless they base their grading system wholly and solely on where they had players ranked on their own personal "boards."
To wit. . .here's a blast from the past, an excerpt from one of Mel Kiper's draft grade articles from a few years back.
The (insert team here) targeted speed on their board and they definitely got it with wide receiver (Player 1) who wowed Minnesota enough that the (insert team here) passed on Mike Williams. Defensive end (Player 2) gives them much-needed help up front, guard-tackle (Player 3) will solidify the offensive line and running back (Player 4) has the potential to be a terrific steal in the fourth round. (Player 5) is a good cornerback and defensive tackle (Player 6) is a motivated overachiever.
Kiper gave that draft a solid B+. . .and hey, from the write up, it sounds pretty good, right? I mean, needs were filled, the team got a lot of talented players. . .that must mean they did an outstanding job.
Well. . .let me fill in the blanks up there for you. . .
The team, as you've probably already guessed, is your Minnesota Vikings.
Player 1 is Troy Williamson, the guy who, as I've said on numerous occasions, couldn't catch gonorrhea in a Vietnamese whorehouse.
Player 2 is Erasmus James, who is currently out of the league.
Player 3 is Marcus Johnson, who may or may not be out of the league.
Player 4 is Ciatrick Fason, a guy who played for the Vikings for about five minutes and really didn't do anything of note.
Player 5 is Dustin Fox, who never suited up for the Vikings and may or may not be in the league, either.
Player 6 is C.J. Mosley, who actually showed some flashes, and who the Vikings thought so highly of that they traded him to the Jets for future UFL MVP candidate Brooks Bollinger.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, that was Mel Kiper's evaluation of the Minnesota Vikings' 2005 draft class. . .a group that was, beyond the shadow of a doubt, the worst draft class the Vikings have put together in the quarter-century that I've been watching this team. If this isn't Exhibit A on the foolishness of grading drafts before any of the players involved take the field. . .well, I'm not sure what would be.
Now what we CAN discuss, on the other hand, is whether or not we like what the Vikings did in this draft. . .and this matter is one that I'm more than happy to talk about.
I've seen a lot of heartburn from members of the Purple community about what the Vikings did with this year's draft selections. Yes, we all think that they passed on guys that they shouldn't have, that they may not have maneuvered properly and all that other good stuff. But there's something you have to take into consideration when looking at this year's Minnesota Vikings draft.
The Minnesota Vikings were a 12-4 football team in 2009. From player #1 to player #53 on their roster, they're probably one of the four or five most talented teams in the National Football League, and I don't think I'll get a lot of arguments about making that declaration. They also happen to be returning all 22 of their starters from the team that was thisclose to making it to the Super Bowl. How many roster spots are there in Minnesota that are openly "up for grabs" for a rookie or other youngster to come in and take? This isn't a case like we see in places like St. Louis and Detroit where a bunch of young guys can immediately come in and start contributing or anything like that.
What the Vikings did with this draft was fill in the couple of needs that they had, and then grabbed guys that could possibly develop into something in the future. We know that the Vikings' secondary has been the weak link in their defense for a long time, and it's an even bigger question mark going into 2010 with the sudden injury-prone nature of Antoine Winfield, the uncertain status of Cedric Griffin, the lack of production (as of now) from youngsters like Asher Allen, and the relative atrociousness of our safety play for most of last season.
Enter Chris Cook. Yeah, not the sexiest name at cornerback in this year's draft, but the Vikings' front office obviously saw a lot of things they liked about him. . .particularly his size (6'2", 210 pounds) and his ability to potentially swing from the corner spot to a safety position. Cook probably won't be expected to come in and start right away, but he'll definitely be in the battle for a spot in the nickel defense, and if someone goes down with an injury, he should be more than capable of stepping in and contributing in some way.
As we previously detailed, the Vikings' biggest loss this off-season has been the loss of running back Chester Taylor. Taylor was a quality running back that would start for a few teams in this league (and should start for his new team, quite frankly), and served as a nice counter-balance to Adrian Peterson. Sure, Taylor isn't as big or as fast as AP, but he just seemed to produce regardless of the situation. The Vikings needed someone to spell #28, as well as contribute in different spots the way that Chester did for the Vikings for four seasons.
Enter Toby Gerhart, the man that (quite frankly) SHOULD have won the Heisman Trophy in 2009, but didn't because he played for a team not located in the SEC (or anywhere else east of the Mississippi River). The Gerhart pick is probably my favorite selection in this entire class. It tells teams that the Vikings are serious about going back to the same power running game that they excelled at prior to the 2009 season. While Adrian Peterson can beat you in a number of ways, whether it's speed around the corner or power between the tackles, Gerhart is 240 pounds of battering ram, the kind of guy that an opposing defense is NOT going to want to see coming at them after they've been chasing Adrian Peterson around all afternoon. Gerhart could even contribute as a fullback, in a split backfield with Peterson, or all on his own.
Going into the draft, there were mocks that had Everson Griffen going as high as #16 overall. To get him with the 100th overall pick, in my opinion, is grand larceny. The story on Griffen is that he has motivation issues, that he's a "head case," and things of that nature. Hmmmmm. . .sounds like another defensive end we drafted at the top of the fourth round back in 2006. Went by the name of Ray Edwards. I'd like to think he's done pretty well for himself. Believe me, with the Williams Wall and Jared Allen constantly in his ear, and Karl Dunbar kicking his butt in training camp and practices, I don't think "desire" and "motivation" are going to be a problem for young Mr. Griffen. Heck, as long as Karl Dunbar is coaching our offensive line, anybody we pick up at defensive tackle or defensive end has all the potential in the world. Don't believe me? Ask Jimmy Kennedy. . .or, more accurately, ask Jimmy Kennedy's agent or Jimmy Kennedy's accountant.
Many of our late picks were based on their potential. . .offensive lineman Chris DeGeare sounds like he could develop into a versatile backup type, Nate Triplett appears to potentially be a Heath Farwell-style special teamer, Mickey Shuler is a good blocking tight end, and Ryan D'Imperio will be asked to shift to fullback. The guy that intrigues the heck out of me, however, is Joe Webb, the quarterback from Alabama-Birmingham that the Vikings took in the sixth round. Webb has already said that the Vikings are going to play him at wide receiver rather than quarterback. Why? Well. . .check out what Jeff Legwold of the Denver Post had to say about Webb's Pro Day prior to the draft. (Sorry, again, can't provide a link. . .it comes from a premium source.)
At 6-feet-2, 223 pounds, Webb was hand-timed by some scouts in attendance at 4.44 in the 40-yard dash, had an astounding vertical jump of 42 inches and an 11-foot-5-inch standing broad jump. Just for reference Detroit Lions wide receiver Calvin Johnson had one of the best combine workouts in recent memory for a big-framed wide receiver and his vertical was 42 at the 2007 combine to go with an 11-7 broad jump. Webb’s vertical would have been the best among the wide receivers who were at the combine (Webb was not there), and his 40 time would have put him among the fastest and his size would have made him among the biggest. So, in short, with that kind of explosiveness somebody will try to find a position for this guy to play. It’s not like he doesn’t understand the game. He threw for at least 2,200 yards and rushed for at least 1,000 yards in each of his two seasons as the Blazers’ starting quarterback.
In other words, to borrow a phrase. . .he's a superfreak. Superfreak. He's super freaky. (No word as of yet about whether or not he should be taken home to moth-ah.) He's definitely a project, but if I were someone like Jaymar Johnson or Greg Lewis or Darius Reynaud, I'd be watching my back and working my tail off before training camp. . .because I really don't think there's any way a guy with that sort of physical ability is going to be sneaking onto the practice squad or anything like that. Somebody would take a flier on him, in my opinion.
So, the more I look at the Vikings' draft, the more I like it. Does that mean that the class is going to be awesome? Certainly not. . .but given the recent track record of Brad Childress and Rick Spielman when it comes to talent evaluation, I'm going to go ahead and trust them until they give me sufficient reason not to.
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"couldn't catch gonorrhea in a Vietnamese whorehouse."
I love that analogy Gonzo.
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
I freaking laughed out loud at that one :)
Can you guys believe that Williamson actually keeps getting his contract re-upped? How is that possible?
by Bodysuit Man on Apr 29, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Well written
I agree. Too early to grade our draft at this point. However all our drafts since 05 have been good/great!
I think the lack of “sexy” picks by the Vikes (No clausen, pike, best, tebow, etc), was the main reason why myself and others aren’t all that “happy” with our draft.
Ski-U-Mah!
Nice post. Gonzo.
Yeah you hit the nail on the head. We got some guys that hopefully can make us better. The Gerhart pick could end up being a steal. A.P. & Toby coming at you hard in the 4th quarter cannot be anything a defense would enjoy. Runner up to the Heisman at the 51st pick. I hope Gerhart plays with a chip on his shoulder.
Me love you long time......
Good post Gonz. I do agree with this being given a grade of incomplete as of now. Any of these guy’s could be a diamond in the rough, or a total bust. Still a little frustrated with not going for a QB in the draft, but who knows, maybe a trick up their sleeve.
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Been there done that
Where’d you get the pix of my ex?
How many thought Harvin would have the kind of year he had prior to actually playing a down? Only time will tell if any of these picks pan out like he did. Will the Seahawks win the AFC west because they had an awesome draft?. Unknown. But I do know their payroll just entered a new tax bracket.
Correction
NFC West. Sorry I was adversely effected by the pix.
I actually did
I had huge expectations for them
I love Twins Baseball and Minnesota Vikings Football.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Apr 27, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Hence your Name..
I have pretty high expectations of Gerhart.. Since I’m pretty sure he should see play-time.
And I hope Webb adjusts quickly to routes, since I bet we can see him be pretty explosive..
Here’s a phrase I’d love to hear…
And it’s the Gunslinger to Webslinger combo! for a Touchdown!!!!!!!
I believe this all hinges on Kyle Wilson. I’m convinced that from the perspective of the front office he was our Percy Harvin going into the draft this year, the best player on our board who could reasonably fall to us. Once he wasn’t there, I think we made a mistake by trading down instead of getting the next best corner. I’m guessing that we were counting on Patrick Robinson being there at #34. This is the problem when you’re not going by a strict BPA at your slot, a model that Spielman admits he abandoned this year. Having prioritized CB with our first pick, I think we stretched for Cook. In all, I think that with #34 we did the best we could, having identified CB as the top need. And I like the Gerhart acquisition. But, I consider this draft “unlucky,” not necessarily unwise. The guy who could have been a difference maker didn’t quite make it to us and we lost out on the next best thing without gaining enough from the Detroit trade. In these matters there’s always a bit of a gamble to waiting and trading down, and I think we took reasonable risks that didn’t pay off.
Kyle Wilson could be a bust.
Hey Anthony don’t worry about what we could have had. Wilson wasn’t there when our turn came up. Hey Cook could end up being the better corner then again once all are guys are back & healthy, Cook might end up being a hell of a Safety. Madieu sure the hell isn’t.
Cook was also seen as the best cover 2 corner in the draft by quite a few people
So it’s not like we can’t use him. Hell he’s 6’ 2" can’t complain about that either…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Getting Cook instead of Robison, if indeed they were going to take him...
Could pay off by getting E.Griffen early in the fourth.
The Vikes do play a cover 2 so matching it with at top cover 2 CB makes sense.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
Good points. Good chance Griffen was coming off the board soon and we were lucky to get him there. Definitely facilitated by the Detroit trade.
by Anthony Carter on Apr 26, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree. I have the impression that the vikings would have gone with either mccourty, wilson or even tebow, all of whom were available just 5 picks before the viking’s turn. On top of that, the Jets, having great CBs, picked Wilson on the 29th. I think it caught our team off-guard, cause I dont think they had any deals ready, ending up with a not-so-great deal with the lions (considering what the broncos gave-up earlier).
I hope Cook ends up being a good choice. I like his physical attributes and all, but I have the feeling that LBs like Kindle, Sean Lee and Spikes are going to have a big impact, and they were available (even worse, they’re all going to compettive teams: ravens, ‘boys and pats). Maybe we werent (and Im not sure we arent) in the pressing need of a LB, but I rather go for the best player available instead of settling (if that’s the case) for what’s left at CB. If the elite CBs were gone, you can always get one in FA or in a trade. Anyway, I hope Cook ends up with plenty of interceptions and as a candidate behind Rookie of the Year sensation, Toby Gerhart.
Skol!
What was left at CB was
What Grime said, “seen as the best cover 2 corner in the draft by quite a few people”
Damm I hope so.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
The Draft has become the ultimate hype.
Mel & McShay stroking all those teams & telling them how great or how poor a pick they got.
Nobody knows for sure, at least not yet. Our 53 man roster is a harder nut to crack than most. There are guys that will play for other teams that wouldn’t make the cut in Purpleland.
I’m with Gonzo that our current staff has done a good job lately & I’m leaving well enough alone.
8 or 9 inches is right...
but that’s the indentation I leave when landing. ;)
by Runt of the Litter on Apr 27, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Shiancoe's is 8 or 9 inches
oh wait his vertical?
by StuckInCA on Apr 27, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The more I read..
The more I like..
Cook – 6’ 2" great Cover-2.. Why complain?
Gerhart – Wow! A pass blocking, running back, who can catch in the back field.. Can he perform better than CT?
Griffen – Could he take over Edwards spot at DE even if Edwards is re-signed?? Griffen was prospected as 1st round material
Webb – Oh my, I hope we get to see him this year. 11" hands, 4.4 40s, great height & leeping ability (I think he deserved to dawn the #84 jersey, haha).
Those are the 4 I will be keeping my eyes on.. Others are just great for depth reasons, etc. etc.
Webb played on a crappy team
So they wanted their most athletic guy to have the ball in his hands. He can play WR, we will just have to see how he runs routes and catches the ball at NFL speed. Worth a gamble in the 6th.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
The Vikings needed a real CB, not another CB/S hybrid. They loved him for his size is a lot like loving Troy Williamson’s speed.
When you went off about Webb’s combine #s and had no info. about his abilty to actually catch the ball, it was like Troy Williamson’s hype all over again. At least he was a low pick.
Seems like Childress' main desired trait in a CB is tackling ability
tackling is nice and all that but how about some coverage ability and the knack for picking one off every once in a while? I don’t get the aversion from cover corners.
by Bodysuit Man on Apr 29, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
2005 Draft = Worst Ever
Well, the Vikings DID pass on Mike Williams…
by Midnight Rambler on Apr 26, 2010 7:59 PM CDT reply actions
Draft Grades = Incomplete
I’ve been saying for years that Kiper and co.’s draft grades, given literally moments after the draft concludes, are little more than educated guesses.
No harm in speculating on how a team’s picks will turn out (much like draft-day trades made with a division rival), but it will be a couple years before anyone can definitively say this or any draft was indeed a success or failure.
by Midnight Rambler on Apr 26, 2010 8:03 PM CDT reply actions
speculation
Isn’t that really all Kiper et al are actually doing? They’re just speculating on who did the best. They wouldn’t usually go as far as to say they know exactly which players will pan out. But I think they believe for the most part which players have the best chance to pan out.
Nice Post!
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Did You Know
The Vikings’ UDFA QB Ryan Perrilloux was considered the nation’s best prospect when he came out of high school and #1-overall-pick Sam Bradford was more of a 2 or 3-star guy? Go figure.
Absolutely Agree!
I basically agreed with EVERYTHING you said, especially the Joe Webb part. That absolutely intrigued me haha. He was fielding calls from several teams, including the Ravens, who were on the phone with Webb when the Vikes called telling him he had been picked. He won’t make our practice squad.
What makes Mel Kiper an expert anyway?
He’s never played football, never been employed as a scout, ball boy, or any other football job.
What makes him the expert on the draft?
Have you seen the sheer volume of his hair???
’nuff said. ;)
by Runt of the Litter on Apr 27, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Mmm
I don’t think I’d go that far. From what I hear about Gerhart, he’s a big RB like Turner, but he doesn’t have that extra gear Turner does.
Not very impressed
Yea, he is not even as big as Turner…yet. I think he is listed at 230lbs vs Turner’s 240lbs. Im curious if he will put on wieght now that he doesnt have to play baseball in the offseason.
You bring up a good point with the extra gear though. Watching him on film, i dont think the has very good acceleration in general, especially in or out of cuts. Thats not to say he isnt fast, he does have good speed, but acceleration is the key.
Didnt really see him break a lot of tackles or make people miss. He also carries the ball like a loaf of bread. His fumble stats look ok, but he is going to have to get that ball high and tight if he wants to hold onto the ball.
Overall, I am not very impressed with the film. Hope I am very wrong.
These draft grades are given out by people like us
except for the fact that they get paid for their “expertise”.
Of course there is no way to grade a bunch of names. We didn’t interview these guys or do the extensive background checks and all that. Sure, I was disappointed that we didn’t take Clausen, and some of the guys were unknown to me and seemed overdrafted but…what the hell do I know?
Maybe Clausen was as big an ass as some thought he was and our guys just didn’t want the headache. (And yes, I do know we’re giving the king of headaches, Ryan Perilloux, a tryout, but that’s less risky than spending a 1st round pick on him.). My unprovable theory on Childress is that he’s afraid of drafting a QB high because he thinks he would share in the blame if the guy didn’t turn out to be a good starter. His reputation as a QB developer is iffy imo because he’s never had a QB that there were any real expectations of. Like I said, just my theory.
We’ll have to wait and see with these guys, which is hard to do as fans, but that’s all we’ve got.
Good Point
Why would anyone want to risk drafting a QB in the first? Unless you feel completely confident in them. We can’t expect to see ourselves disappointed if Tebow or Bradford work out, since they were drafted before we even had a chance.
But Clausen, McCoy, and such would be a different situtation. If they turn out great, we may see ourselves wanting to kick ourselves. But their bust rate is higher I believe, and they are also project QBs, even Tebow strikes me as a somewhat project. Bradford I believe will basically be a starter from Day #1.

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