With the 30th Pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Minnesota Vikings select...
by Ted Glover on Apr 3, 2010 1:58 PM CDT
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PrintSo, there have been a lot of posts, and even greater discussions in the subsequent comments, about different players the Vikings should select in the upcoming draft. I am by no means a draft expert, but by now, there's generally a consensus about a pick relative to where the Vikings are selecting. Usually, it's not this far back in the draft, and there's a lot more flux in the last few picks. It seems that guys are starting to slightly favor Rutgers CB Devin McCourty, but there's still no consensus. Gonzo also picked him in SB Nation's Mocking the Draft Live Mock, but really wanted to pull the trigger on Tim Tebow. There was also a report out that Vikes GM Rick Spielman went to Colt McCoy's pro day; does that mean real interest, or a head fake for the other 31 teams? After the jump, I'll list what draft experts have predicted for the Vikings, and then let's open it up for discussion. Tell us who you want, and why. And if you think they should trade down...or up...let's hear it.
And hey, let's keep it respectful. There's no wrong answer here, and guys tend to get really...REALLY passionate about players that have never taken...an...NFL...snap. And consider this a Saturday Open Thread as well.
ESPN's Mel Kiper: CB Devin McCourty
ESPN Todd McShay DT Brian Price
Pro Football Weekly: CB Kyle Wilson
Don Banks, SI: DT Jared Odrick
John Holler, Viking Update: CB Kyle Wilson
Scott Wright, NFL Draft Countdown: CB Devin McCourtty
Gonzo, Mocking the Draft: CB Devn McCourty
Gonzo, DN Live Mock Draft: CB Kyle Wilson
MilCardFan, had he been picking at Mocking The Draft: Tim Tebow (or Colt McCoy), QB
There has been plenty of speculation about whether the Vikings will take a quarterback and Spielman did attend Colt McCoy's Pro Day on Wednesday. But I just don't think the Vikings are that high on this quarterback class and they aren't going to take a QB just for the sake of it. Especially, when everyone expects Brett Favre to return in 2010.
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Clausen (if he fell that far he'd be a lock for us), Tebow or McCoy, in that order.
Would be my list preference for round 1.
Unless some awesome player falls to us, like Dan Williams, Mike Iupati, Taylor Mays, Rolando McClain…
"Last season, we knocked on the door. Next season, we’re kicking it down."
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Never happen
If Clausen starts to fall, someone will trade up to get him. He won’t fall past the middle of the 1st round, but 100% not to 30.
It Sounds to me...
like Mays’ stock is in fact declining, but the scouting report’s I’ve seen say that he’s stiff in his movements, his straight line speed is good, but COD is sub-par. I don’t know if I would want to stretch for that in the first round. We need a safety with coverage skills, and I don’t think he will be quick enough if he’s ever left to man up on a receiver.
As for taking a QB in the first round, Tebow is a no go. Too much of a project. McCoy I’m warming on, only because he’s slated as more of a west coast style quarterback, and dangit the kid is likeable enough. Clausen if he dropped that far, sure, but I am concerned about the reports that he’s not a great teammate. Could be just another Schism report, but who knows anymore.
by SouthSotaPop on Apr 3, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind McCoy myself
but not in the first round. If we get him, I’d prefer that we, yes, trade up in the second to grab him.
Without a Doubt
Colt McCoy will likely be a good QB and may well be a great QB. I would like to see us move up in the second round and take him.
everybodys gut instinct is to draft wilson or mcCourty
but i still believe that our safteys were the worst part of our defense last year, and i think that Taylor Mays is a guy that will be here for years to come.
Think he'll be there at 30?
I thought he was moving up.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
No he won't
Barring some awkward incident involving Mays, a lot of booze and a dead stripper, he will be off the board long before the Vikings get a sniff.
No
His stock is falling, his COD speed is being heavily criticized. In a league that rarely sees more than one or two safeties taken in round one, and in a draft full of defensive playmakers, he’s dropped quite a bit. Still projected to the mid 20’s though, which means that Oakland will probably take him with their pick. They stretch for fast guys.
by SouthSotaPop on Apr 3, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Dual use - S and CB
Mays is 6’2, 220 and runs a low 4.4. He can be either CB matched against big receiver or as a S laying the hammer down. He was wasted at USC in Pat Carroll’s soft deep zone D.
6'3, 230 actually.
"Last season, we knocked on the door. Next season, we’re kicking it down."
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But I agree with you, though.
He’s talent was wasted in USC.
"Last season, we knocked on the door. Next season, we’re kicking it down."
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He's a talent that was wasted in USC*
"Last season, we knocked on the door. Next season, we’re kicking it down."
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I dunno about him at CB
His coverage skills are not very good. He basically was a “highlight reel” guy. I dunno if it was lack of effort or skill or scheme, but his coverage is meh
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
He wasn't wasted...
He’s shown that his Change of Direction, and acceleration afterward is slower than teams would like, and that he’s at best the third best S in the draft. He is straight line fast only. In coverage that won’t help. Let him go to the raiders.
by SouthSotaPop on Apr 3, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Moving Winfield and/or Griffin to S will improve the Vikings' safety play
Outstanding depth at CB = at least 1 guy who could play S, and probably play well there.
Outstanding depth at S = zero guys who can play CB well unless Carnell Lake is on said team.
I've thought about Winfield to S for a while now
and I’m officially against it. He’s still a good cover guy (assuming his foot injury heals all right) and is a main reason the Vikings are so solid in run defense. To keep him active in run support you’d have to play him a lot closer to the line as a safety, which further weakens a mediocre secondary.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Last year wasn't so good
Winfield was hurt most of last year, so we don’t really know if he is still able to cover as well as he did in 2008, and another year of aging can’t help matters.
I would rather have a D that ranked 10th vs. the run and 10th vs. the pass than #1 and #20something.
I am still in the boat of...
moving Winfield to S once Griffin returns and playing either Asher Allen or (Insert 1st Round CB Here) play where Griffin was and put Sapp in the Nickle. I think Allen is going to be a very good Corner in the league, and Winfield at Safety next to Tyrell who wasn’t the weakest link of our safeties, and you have a formidable secondary.
by SouthSotaPop on Apr 3, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
They won't move Winfield to safety anyways
If they liked doing that conversion stuff, they’d have put Griffin at S already. And that hasn’t, and likely won’t, happened under Frazier.
They may
They didn’t have a viable starting CB to replace Griffin and/or Winfield. Now they have the non-rookie version of Asher Allen plus the ability to draft a good coverage CB with the 30th pick, so they won’t even need to wait for Griffin to come back. And when Griffin comes back, he could replace Madieu if he’s having another disappointing season.
Tyrell was billed as a guy who could play CB or S, so I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Vikings try that sometime, too.
I don’t know if Winfield is the kind of guy that would do well converted to Safety. Safety is a playmaker who roams and make big plays on the ball. Winfield is a cover guy, a very good one who is a sure tackler. I don’t think his style of play would translate to safety all that well. If his play starts to fade, it would probably be best just moving him to the nickle position I think.
I stumbled across an interesting note from Daniel Jeremiah at Move the Sticks: 65% of starting cornerbacks last year were drafted in the first two rounds, while only 39% of starting safeties were drafted in the first two rounds. Last year, 10 undrafted free agents started at safety, while only nine former first rounders started.
In other words, corners are rare and you need to grab them early; safetys can be found later.
Jeremiah’s also not a Taylor Mays fan at all. he doesn’t care how big or fast he is, because he considers safety an instinctual position. Says he hasn’t talked to one team that has a first round grade on him.
I’m all-in on moving Winfield to safety, personally.
No OL options?
I think we’ll draft best available Offensive Lineman. McCourty or Wilson would be fine as well. My suprise pick is Jahvid Best.
I'm with you Canadian, Wheres the OL?
Have you ever heard the saying the best defense is a good offense. It’s true to a point. An OL pick is not as trendy a pick as CB or QB but it’s the trenches where most games a won or lost. Ask Dallas. Better QB protection, opening an extra hole or two for AD. A split second of extra time for the passing game. With the weapons we have? That is scary. Do you think for 1 second that if Brett would have had less pressure on him in the NFC Championship we wouldn’t be Superbowl Champions. He was constantly harassed. Ask Romo how easy it is to run your offense when your constantly under the gun.
The thing is
There are not very good late 1st OL prospects.
It would be an awful reach for most of the O-Linemen to get them at 30.
The value is much more apropriate for late 2nd and late 3rd.
"Last season, we knocked on the door. Next season, we’re kicking it down."
SKÖL VIKINGS!
SHOW YOUR HORNS!
I think some of the higher ranked OL will fall. This is a stacked draft and I believe we’ll have a choice of two or three players projected to go higher.
by CanadianViking on Apr 3, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be 'other'
Granted, I’m sure there’s a mock draft or two that has them taking an offensive lineman, but I haven’t seen one. Everything I’ve read has the Vikes going either DB or DL, but if the best player available is an o-lineman, I can definitely them going in that direction.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
I don’t know if there will be many left. I know there won’t be OTs left unless you want middle to late 2nd round talent in the first round. I think the Vikings are at a spot in the draft and with the development of the team where you just take the best talent on the board. If there is a CB that they like, that is the biggest need but the rest of the positions can always use some depth.
TW11 is correct but ........
Odrick fits the triangles value chart as CB is deep enough to push into the 2nd and 3rd .
Pouncey is the ideal pick as Sullivan could compete at RG . Brad hinted that both OC & RG positions may need to go to guys with greater upper body streength .
I like the different versions I have
just because I am too lazy to fix it like variety.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
I am leaning towards mccoy
I just think our OL will get better with another year of work together. They were not horrible in 09. 13th rushing and there were 9 more qb’s sacked more then bf. My opinion is starting to change to QB of the future, there have been some compelling discussions. If AW and CG are ready to play at the start of the season we can pick up a DB in round two and an OG in three.
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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by montana vikes fan on Apr 3, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions
Pouncy if he is there
If not, another O-lineman. I have thought about this for a while and it makes sense. We have had our issues on the O-line and there is talent to be had near the top of the draft on the offensive line, then there is a falloff. However, the talent pool is very deep at corner and many draft experts agree that top flight corners will be available in the 3rd, 4th and even 5th rounds of this years NFL draft. Pouncy can play Center or Guard, and may the best man win the starting job.
Smart money is on McCourty at this point
Kyle Wilson, while a great cover corner, does not fit our defense. He is not a natural zone CB and isn’t as strong of a tackler as McCourty. McCourty also has a better chance of being available at 30 (I’m seeing Wilson in the late teens, early 20’s personally).
If McCourty is gone, OL would be a nice pickup at 30 as well but there probably won’t be any linemen that provide good value at that point in the draft.
Personally, I could easily envision us dropping out of the 1st round entirely. With the amount of talent in this draft, and the number of teams with multiple needs, there will be teams trying to trade into the bottom part of the 1st round. If the value isn’t there, I would think we will trade down.
Kyle Wilson might not be schemey but I’d take him in a heartbeat. I see a lot of Vikings fans knock his run support (which was improved last year), but I don’t see why more don’t point out he’s considered the draft’s best press corner (which they prefer), as well as one of the top two (him or Haden) in coverage and ball skills. The cover-2 isn’t difficult to teach. And I’d love to have a natural CB, to at least give them a shot when they do go man.
But like you said he’ll most likely be gone, probably long gone.
This draft is sooo deep
all we can hope for, all the players we want are off the board so our decision is easier
1st round – McCoy if available otherwise McCourty (over Wilson) since McCourty is a zone taught CB with better tackling ability.
2nd round – best available O-Lineman (or CB if we get McCoy)
3rd pick (not round since this would likely be a traded pick for movement) – best available player ( or o-lineman if we get mccoy then CB)
We are the vikings.......resistance is futile.
Not sure where the McCoy love comes from..
He had a great college career, but if we want to win this year, we need to address other areas before taking a long shot at QB for the future. McCoy played in a skewed offense at Texas that doesn’t translate well to the NFL (name another Texas QB in the NFL after Young… and what has Young done?). I’d much rather get a CB or S or OL that could contribute (even in a secondary role) this year, rather than stretch for a QB that won’t even get on the field.
by San Diego Viking on Apr 3, 2010 5:55 PM CDT reply actions
Win this year?
If the Vikes want to win this year, they need to ensure Favre comes back, that’s what 2010 hinges on. They were a bad decision and a couple of questionable referee calls from going to the Super Bowl. I think who they draft will have almost zero impact on how they fare in 2010, but will be a big factor in 2011 and beyond.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
They still need a smart draft and impactful pick...
Alot of teams got better, while we essentially lost two guys that helped. Chester is replaceable, but will the production be there? And is it a guy you could trust should AP go down for a stretch? Or continue to fumble at alarming rates? Hicks could fill in at any offensive line spot, and do serviceable meaning our OL was at least in solid hands should someone get hurt, and with the way Hutch’s back was last year, we may need a guy like that this year. So really we are more than a few blown calls away this year. We need someone who can make an impact, and I think a Corner is the best choice here.
by SouthSotaPop on Apr 4, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Because Favre's coming back
we can worry about the future. We’ll win this year with him, don’t worry about it. What I AM worried about, however, is our QB situation after he finally decides to retire. Personally, I’d rather we grab a starting-grade QB, such as McCoy, this year, rather than waiting next year, so that we have somebody who may already be used to the speed of the game, instead of a green-horned rookie.
Or, given the recent trend in the NFL where rookie QBs seem to do well… Maybe we should just draft one next year.
I could live with Colt
I could really live with Locker next year, however since we’ll be the 32nd pick next year I doubt that will happen. If you want to win a superbowl you need to be able to hit it as often as you can. Not picking up a QB in this draft would be a terrible idea.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
You can't lump Colt with just any other Texas QB
He is the winningest QB in college football history. He has started every game…
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I'll take an O-linemen in the 1st round
I’m one that believes our quarterback situation isn’t as bad as it appears. We have Jackson who has alot of experience with this offense and organization, and Rosenfels who has had a year to digest everything, and was thought to be the starter last year before Favre arrived. I’d like to see us address the QB in the 3rd so we aren’t paying a 4th string quarterback alot of money to learn his first couple of seasons. CB or Safety in the 2nd =). I love great defenses, and although I’d like the best available linemen in the 1st, i’d be happy if we picked up anyone on the defensive side in the 1st. I never got to feel the wrath of the purple people eaters, although we are close, we could still use a couple of play-makers and hard hitters on that side of the ball
SKOL
I dunno about it being the right pick or not
but as a big PSU guy, I’d love to see us snag Odrick. I think he could play well right away and make a wonderful replacement for a williams as they are gettin on in age.
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Daryl Washington LB TCU
Here is what I think about the possibilities …
McCourty is a good CB that has risen up the "boards" during the off season. He is a bit of a drag down type of tackler though. That could be cleaned up perhaps. I don’t see him that much better than a Ghee, Spievey, Cook, or Arenas (one of my favorites).
Pouncey is another name bandied about for the Vikings in the first round too. I don’t see that either. While he did play guard at Florida he was the center the last two years (I believe). Matt Tennant or John Jerry or Kyle Calloway will all fit nicely in a round or two later. Interior linemen do not usually get picked early. Obviously some do but I would pass.
If Bruce Campbell or Charles Brown is on the board they may have to take one of them to groom behind McKinnie. Or they may decide to trade McKinnie after picking a youngster? Doubtful but it could happen.
With the move on Reynauld to RB it may be that they do not draft a RB at all. I personally was hoping for Jahvid Best. I think he would be great pared with AP. He is not an every down back but can take it to the house and any moment.
I think a WR will get picked and it could be Golden Tate, Demaryius Thomas, Brandon LaFell, or Damien Williams in the first. But I think they will get a guy like Eric Decker, Carlton MItchell, Jacoby Ford, or Jordan Shipley in round 3.
A defensive tackle probably will be looked at hard considering the possible suspensions and the retirement of PWill after next year. If Odrick is there they will be tempted. But I think they really like Terrence Cody. This is a BEAST of a young man and will plug up the middle for years. Some will say we just signed Kennedy to a two year deal and that is fine but he is more of a backup and could rotate with Cody after next year. If they did get Cody then Evans or Guion will probably be released. Many do not like Cody but Alabama led the nation against the run and he was the main reason. He was also the main reason why McClain looked so good. When you have to use TWO offensive linemen on every play to block this guy it limits what others could do. I just think because he is such a big boy that he gets down graded for some reason. I would seriously consider taking him. But I believe San Diego may take him before us.
So that brings me to QB. Tebow or McCoy would be excellent picks in the first round. They most likely will not be there at the end of the second round. Their college success may not mean much to many but I think to the NFL scouts it does mean much. It will be very depressing to pass on one of these guys and they turn out to be pretty good. If they are a bust then so be it. All picks have the possibility of being a bust so that should not worry a team. If they like the guy then get the guy.
But in the end, I think that we should take Daryl Washington LB TCU. This guy is fast and can cover. This is what the Vikings need just as much as anything else. A CB can be had in round 2 or 3 plus we could sign a veteran like Lito Sheppard still. I am not worried about CB that much in round 1. A LB that can play WILL & MIKE and is super fast may not be had later. The LB class is thin so getting Washington in the first is not a stretch or a reach. Washington is considered a high second in many scouting reports.
I like this mock which since I am doing it on the fly I will call it my “mock on the wall” …
30. Daryl Washington LB
62. Mike Johnson OG/OT
93. Javier Arenas CB (excellent tackler and a PR too)
128. Eric Decker WR
161. Charles Scott RB/FB
167. Myron Lewis CB/FS
199. Al Woods DT
237. Lamarcus Coker RB
I am shocked...SHOCKED
that you didn’t have Ray Edwards traded somewhere in this post. :)
Just kidding. Solid info, well done. Would love to see Decker wearing purple next year. He’s reminded me a lot of Steve Largent from back in the day with Seattle. I think if he hadn’t got hurt he’d be a late first to mid second round pick, because he has great hands and really solid presence.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
I have not given up on the feeling that they will move Edwards
In fact, they may move him for a second round pick and something later or next year to get a QB they like. Notice in my mock I did not take a QB. I think they can get one with that pick.
I have a new scenario I have been cooking up sure to upset some status quo believers.
What is funny to me is that whenever I mention replacing anyone the status quo crowd starts squawking about chemistry and players needing to develop and how they are sooo valuable to special teams, etc, etc, etc. So then when you say OK, lets trade up since none of our picks can beat out these backups and make the team they say nooo the picks are too valuable.
How can you argue with logic like that?
Well, as a status quo, 'change is bad' guy
I don’t get that circular argument, either. Roster changeover is a way of life in the NFL, but the VIkings are in an unusual poition in that they have every single starter coming back. That doesn’t happen very often in this day and age. The only guys they have lost have been a backup RB and a backup OL, and both the starting offense and defense were pretty damn good, so why weaken yourself at a position when you don’t need to?
I’ve never gotten the overvaluation of draft picks by teams and us fans, either. I’ve used the Jared Allen trade as an example of a great trade for the Vikes. They got a proven defensive end for the opportunity to pick a guy that statistically has a less than 50% chance of working out, and probably a 10% chance of being as productive as Jared Allen has been.
And that’s my disagreement with you over trading Ray Edwards. The Vikings know he’s a productive player, so I just don’t see them trading him and taking a flyer on a guy they hope pans out. And now, you’ve got to use a draft pick on DE at some point in the draft, because you’ve weakened yourself at a position that wasn’t anticipated.
But I give you a lot of credit for being creative and trying to get the best players in purple.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
I like Edwards
I said all along, if they cannot get him signed to an extension then they need to get something for him now rather than risking losing him after next year for nothing. That is where I started and where I am still at. It is quite simple. All the other stuff is meaningless.
Also, if the Vikings are going to get a top 4 QB this year then they may have to move up some in the first round. If they like Tebow or McCoy then I feel they should make a move because I believe there will be teams trading back up into the first ahead of the Vikings.
So what do we have that we can trade and that we MAY not have next year? Edwards is the commodity we have. Sometimes we have to lose something to gain something.
I like the idea of trading up in this draft but would prefer doing so after round 1. Trading up in the first or back into the first carries a premium with it. Trading up in later rounds seems much easier to do and makes more sense to me. There are diminishing returns as you go deeper in the draft so it makes sense to get what you want and not settle for who’s available.
I have to say that I hope we don’t take a QB high. I don’t really like any QB’s in this class of prospects. It seems like there are more question marks with this group than most other years. It would be great to find our future QB in the draft but barring Clausen or Bradford falling dramatically I don’t see any worth risking a high pick on. Just my opinion though.
Wow, I made it through a whole reply to you and didn’t mention Edwards once. Oops, I guess I just mentioned him. Once was enough since we’ve had that conversation before : )
by CanadianViking on Apr 3, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
That's exactly the point I see as well...
I would love to see the Vikes pull another jarred Allen type trade this year with the Raiders. They want Sage, well, we give up Sage and a First and Fifth for Asomugha and a Second or Third. We then resign Asomugha to a front loaded contract taking advantage of the uncapped year, and we have a CB that can take over Winfields spot, allowing Winfield to either slide into Safety or play Nickle.
by SouthSotaPop on Apr 4, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Plus
He beats the hell out of any of the CBs that will likely drop to us, and Winfield beats the hell out of any S that may drop to us. We’re filling two weak positions with two draft picks and a bad contract. Makes sense to me.
by SouthSotaPop on Apr 4, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Well I was wondering why you didn't have a QB in that mess.
Because we do need a QB for sure. Other than that your list looks good. I guess I’m a status quo type of guy as I hope we keep Edwards. However, I don’t mind at all if we only get three people out of this draft if all three of them can make the team and make it better. So trade up trade down trade sideways if you want. We’re a team with double digit pro bowl entries. It’s going to be hard for any rookie to just step on the squad and expect to play.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I saw today...
That NFL Network draft guy had Decker ranked as the 5th best WR in the draft, and that he could see him going late first early second based on his tremendous skills. I just hope his injuries aren’t chronic, and it was just a matter of over use because Webber was comfortable.
by SouthSotaPop on Apr 4, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Decent mock, Mark
But McCourty is a lot better than Cook and Arenas. I doubt Arenas will be anything more than a returner in the NFL. Maybe some spot duty in nickel situations.
Terrance Cody’s value is at the NT in a 3-4 defense. I don’t see him being very effective against double teams in the NFL if he played the the 1 Tech.
I do like Washington a lot. I voted trade down from #30. If we pick up an addtional 2nd, we can possibly draft Washington and Colt McCoy in the 2nd round.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I would rather see the Vikes nab Wilson if he drops down to us in the 1st place. I think that he a NFL ready DB. Devin McCourty needs some work with his deep coverage so WRs do not burn him deep.
A DB is a good way to go for the Vikes in the 1st round.
Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. ~Mark Twain
Clausen
If Clausen is falling the vikes should package their 1st and second and move up to get him. The Vikes should be able to move up to the mid teens, so if clausen is falling they need to move up. If the Vikes stay they should take the best available player, with secondary followed by DT breaking the tie.
Under no circumstance should we draft Tebow before the 3rd round. There has never been a competent NFL QB to come out of Florida. Never. I don’t think Tebow will ever be even an average NFL QB.
by vikedawg on Apr 4, 2010 12:14 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
NFL PLAYER SELECTION MEETING
The team should select the top rated player on their board that is available when they pick in each round NO REACHING FOR NEED!
Protect Your Assets With OL at 30
Among the great Vikings the most important assets are AP and Brett. How many times have you seen AP “bounce to the outside” on a play designed to go up the middle? Too many. That is because the interior of the line, and in particular Herrera and Sullivan, couldn’t open holes. Similarly, we want Brett to come back for another season. He needs to convince his wife and kids that his OL will do a better job protecting him this year. Drafting a good OL at 30 will increase the likelihood of Brett coming back.
Iupati and Pouncey might be gone by 30 but one of the good tackles will be there. Play the tackle ar RG for a year or two and then replace McKinnie. Have Herrera compete with Sullivan and Cooper for the Center position. Anthony Davis is the guy I see sliding because of a bad combine and interviews but he is a great talent and good value at 30. Move up in Round 2 by trading a 4 to get a good corner.
by canadianvikesfansince68 on Apr 4, 2010 8:24 AM CDT reply actions
I think the Vikes could find a good O-lineman in the second, but admittedly don't know who will be left.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Herrera get replaced. I wish the Vikes would have kept Artis Hicks a good utility man. Not a huge loss though.
Vikings please trade up to get Earl Thomas.
Markie . I like the dark insight . At least someone around here sees the light .
We still have to trade a back up QB to fulfill your vision . That 4th rd. value could mean a flip of 3rd rd. picks with OAK if Rosenfels isn’t picking up the playbook . Childress could be driving up the price of Jackson . The triangle has somebody interested or they would be in their typical hush – hush mode ……………..
Shart! lmfao...
Tebow. For no other reason than to make 75% of DN’rs squirm and complain and go on and on while TT quietly becomes the NFL QB we’ve waited our lifetimes for.
[or craps out of the game like so many Vikings QBs of the past have]
SKOL VIKES!!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Apr 5, 2010 2:32 PM CDT reply actions
Trade Down
Trade down into the second round and accumulate more picks. The Vikings then could add depth this way or get draft picks for next year, this move would also save money for the Vikings.
McCourty please.
Wilson will be gone by the 20th pick and I still feel that McCourty is the next best CB available. Mays may slip so he would be temping and maybe trading down for Earl Thomas might cost too much, but I wouldn’t mind if they went that route.
I doubt Clasen will slip to the Vikes as some mock draft have said, but if the Vikes wanted him orMcCoy I wouldn’t be upset. I still think DB is our biggest need but it will come down to best player available whether it be a S or CB.
Vikings please trade up to get Earl Thomas.
TT
I don’t like the idea of anyone having the initials TT on the Vikings.. haha
especially when it involves QBs
IF
the Vikings draft Tebow in the first round………. I don’t even know what I’d do, but it wouldn’t be beneficial to mine or anyone else’s health.
Oline
Pouncey may be there….and imo Oline is a weak spot…Winny will be back and do what he is supposed to in the T2…keep everything in front…we have some good depth at CB as well and do not need cover guys..we need guys who keep the play in front and make solid plays on the guy with the ball…Allen has a year now Sanford also has a year Sapp gave us good play..Ced will be back by mid season…..Oline and Dline are often guys you can plug in the 1st year and get production from. DB’s most often take sometime as do QB…Oline 1st round…protect the QB and give AP some holes.
Go QB
Im not a draft expert, and rarely am I a guru of college football, i would have to be in a room with nuns to make it look like I knew anything about college football. What I do know is this, Doug Flutie was told he would never be a good qb, Brett Farve wasn’t supposed to be what he turned out to be, and Tim Tebow has heart. He is a tremendous athlete, and he puts everything into the game, every snap, not saying he will be anything special, but with the world against him, and the ‘will’ of that particular athlete could result in one of those qb’s everyone bets against and proves everyone wrong. Colt McCoy is pretty good himself, I don’t know what you do with a pick so late, whatever happens Studwell and Co. seem to do a spectacular job every year with what they have to work with. Even if we don’t do anything, we don’t have many holes on the roster, I really think our team is set as it is, and if it isn’t broken, don’t try to fix it!
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