Favre Needs Ankle Surgery to Play in 2010
by Christopher Gates on Apr 30, 2010 10:22 AM CDT
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PrintSo sayeth Ed Werder of ESPN.com.
Brett Favre has been informed he requires surgery on his left ankle to play the upcoming season for the Minnesota Vikings, and the quarterback is deliberating whether to have the procedure or simply to end his 19-year NFL career by retiring.
Favre, who would turn 41 during the 2010 season, told ESPN the ankle injury that he suffered three months ago in the NFC Championship Game against the New Orleans Saints continues to be swollen and painful.
That prompted tests to determine why healing had not occurred and Favre sent the results of those scans to orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews, who told the quarterback his opinion that surgery is unavoidable.
"We have spoken,'' Favre said in an e-mail. "To play again, I would need the surgery, as I suspected. This decision would be easy if not for my teammates and the fans and the entire Vikings staff. One year truly felt like 10 -- much like Green Bay for many years. That's what I was missing in my heart I suppose, a sense of belonging.''
Yeah, I could see where that could make one conflicted. . .his last two clubs couldn't shove him out the door fast enough.
The article goes on to say that Favre had similar conflicts last year with his shoulder, and he decided to ultimately get it fixed and come play for the Vikings. While this is as serious an obstacle as anything that's come up since the season ended, I have my suspicions that the end result is going to be the same. . .#4 will have the surgery, get himself together (and missing training camp. . .which, as anyone knows and/or saw last year, is really no big deal), and be behind center for the Vikings on 9 September when they head to New Orleans.
You guys aren't worried. . .are you?
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I think there will be a lock out in 2011, so 2010 is essentially the last year for him.
I cant see Favre coming back after a year off at 43.
Hopefully he comes back for one more shot but this news makes it seem more uncertain than before.
viking fan since august of 2009 (still a packer fan, but that only reverts when favre retires)
this is by far my favorite fan site, gonzo and the gang should be in charge of the yahoo sports division. I hate mdj with a passion (dude gets something wrong in every blog post!) and he could learn a lesson on how to be biased AND objective from the daily norseman. I’ve been following this site since the begining of the 09 season, always wanted to contribute, finally going to:) I’m sorry, but i wanted people to actually see what i had to say, but I won’t be a d**k! I think you have a great point about 2011, but i hope you are wrong. a year without football is the only thing worse than a year without favre.
I DO HAVE THIS TO SAY ABOUT THE THE QB SITUATION AS A WHOLE:
Vikings weren’t going to draft a REAL qb this year because next year’s draft is the year of loaded qb talent. i’m super serial. it just happened to dovetail nicely with the whole “lets not alienate favre” notion, but I don’t think management would be so short sided to pass up truly exceptional talent if it was there. Clausen might actually be a homosexual, while it doesn’t matter to me, it probably does for a lot of people in such a “manly” profession. he may just have a bad rep and sense of style, but his character in general was so constantly berated, i almost feel like the character issue thing was nfl code. McCoy… I mean, c’mon. Dude with be injury prone all career long, i just feel it. Webb is going to be a wideout, special teamer. And this team is STACKED! Even with Sage or Travis, all they have to do is have a decent td to int ratio! Remember Gus?
I expect Favre to come back. But even if he doesn’t, vikings are still playoff bound. Sorry for being so long winded, but i hope i made some sense!
Homosexuality and the NFL
Clausen might actually be a homosexual, while it doesn’t matter to me, it probably does for a lot of people in such a "manly" profession.
I don’t know that Clausen is gay, or not. Certainly, I do believe that it’s his own private business and none of anyone elses… unless he decides to make it public. Then it’s our business too.
I’ve heard people speak against homosexuality on religious grounds, and people speak in favor of it on the grounds of freedom, fairness, and even ‘civil rights’. But there’s one aspect to it that I’ve never seen considered and that’s simple privacy.
Men and women have separate bathrooms, and in most places, the toilet stalls even have doors. The reason is simple; privacy. It’s not considered appropriate for men and women to share shower facilities (unless in private intimacy).
I remember, a few years back, a woman sued for the right to enter the locker room with the male reporters, and she won. Then we saw complaints against players who ‘exposing themselves’ in the locker room. What do you suppose a locker room is for, after a hard, sweaty football game?
Which brings us back around to homosexuals in the NFL. Since NFL players no longer have the right to privacy from the opposite gender after a game, there’s no reason to suppose that heterosexual players have the right to privacy from homosexual players.
The day that men can hang out in the women’s locker room while female athletes are stripping, changing clothing, showering, etc, then I think the scales will at least be fair.
An aside, the same issue applies in the military, where, for good discipline, boyfriends are not allowed to bunk up with girlfriends in the dormitories, and the same privacy issues pertain. How many would claim to be homosexual when they were not, just so that they could bunk up with a girlfriend? If for those who don’t think that disciplinary issues are an issue, how many girlfriend/boyfriend couples last more than a few months without ending badly?
I’m not suggesting that there are no homosexuals in the military, OR in the NFL, mind you. Only that the moment they declare their homosexuality, the social issue of privacy pertains. I don’t claim to have the answer, one way or the other, but I think privacy is a valid issue and everyone who wants it, be they homosexual or heterosexual, male or female, has a right to it.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
said more in the spirit of jest
but nicely stated. Clausen is probably just a victim of the current culture in the league. But the onus is completely on him. If he had Tebow’s personality and penchant to not get caught drinking, he would be a Ram. Unfortunately perception is what actually drives a lot of our “reality”.
One More Year
I love Twins Baseball and Minnesota Vikings Football.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Apr 30, 2010 10:29 AM CDT reply actions
Not really
Yeah he’ll get surgery and have to recover.
But if he really feels that he “belongs” with the Vikings, I think he will have enough willpower to get ready for September.
Btw, the last sentence brought a tear to my eye. sniffle lol
Ski-U-Mah!
by CrazyCollegian on Apr 30, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions
Of course he is coming back.
If he was retiring he wouldn’t even be looking into his ankle.
He doesn’t need a quick healing ankle to run around his ranch throwing footballs through hanging tires, he needs to win the freaking Superbowl.
Plus this ankle is a good “excuse” to be unable to participate till, say, early August.
A man without a mustache is like a cup of tea without Sugar
by craig in calgary on Apr 30, 2010 10:49 AM CDT reply actions
I hope you're right.
I was on a bike ride while listening to ESPN when I heard the news. Talk about ruining a nice ride!
I wonder if Chilly knew the situation before the draft?. Maybe a little trading is in the future?
I think the news may make the Saints my least favorite team, taking the place of the Cowboys.
by JethroBoViking on Apr 30, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't now,
but the packers come REAL close.
GO VIKES!!!
by indianavikesfan on May 1, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
Git Ir Done, Brett!
So nice to hear our Viking welcome is what you were looking for!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Apr 30, 2010 11:04 AM CDT reply actions
Reading between the lines.
“To play again, I would need the surgery, as I suspected. "
This is not news to the Vikings or Brett. One has to assume the Vikings acted according to this information just a week ago during the draft.
Worried? Just uncomfortable like everybody else. Few trust the QB supporting class to be Super bowl worthy. Hope we are wrong.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
This is not news to the Vikings or Brett. One has to assume the Vikings acted according to this information just a week ago during the draft.
??? It doesn’t seem like the Vikings did anything remotely relevant to this in the draft. They really didn’t even draft a QB (I don’t count Webb, nor does anyone else). If they had truly acted with this knowedge in mind, they would have gone for Clausen, or at the very least gone for any QB at all before the 7th …
Uhh, no. They wouldn't.
I’m glad I saw this, because I was going to make a post about the insight I just had. Look at his quote. "One year truly felt like 10 — much like Green Bay for many years. That’s what I was missing in my heart I suppose, a sense of belonging.’’
How much do you want to bet that once Rodgers was drafted, Favre started losing that ‘sense of belonging’ because they practically had their boot up his ass and were directing him to the door? No wonder we didn’t draft a QB then, because we want Favre back, not to alienate him like Green Bay had a few years back.
by Frost on Apr 30, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but you guys drafting a Qb would have been totally different from us drafting a Qb then. We weren’t really in dier need of one, and you guys, well are. I’m sure Favre, like all of us, knows that he probably has at most 1 year left in him, maybe 2. I don’t think you guys taking a Qb would have made him upset one bit. I mean let’s be serious, Chilly has basically stated Favre can do whatever he wants. Favre knows as long as he tells Chilly he wants to play, he is going to play.
by packallday555 on May 1, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I see it as just one of those things
Yeah, we need a QB, but drafting one after getting so close to the SB would send the message to Favre that “Hey, we’re looking for the future, rather than trying to build this team around you now.” Favre’s not interested in the future, he just wants that last ring. I think the Vikes did the smart thing by not alienating him by drafting one of the premiere QBs, even though I myself wish they had.
Now if only they had drafted some decent linemen for him.
+10
I think you’re right on target, Frost
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Is the Gonzo moniker gone?
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Apr 30, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions
OMG
The packer boards are gonna go apeshit over those two bolded lines.
Wow, I would not have said that if I were Brett. That may very well be true, and may very well be justified, but it was a bad move PR-wise, from a business/marketing standpoint. I know he sincerely feels that way about the vikings, and part of his “charm” is that he just says what he feels, no matter how annoyed doing that makes many NFL fans, but …. still …
On the ankle thing … this sounds more serious than many of you seem to treat it. I sense most of you think it’s just a case of “do the surgery and then it’ll be all OK.” Favre has actually had ankle problems for quite a while, but has just worked through it. Even if he has the surgery, he may not even be back to 100% ankle functionality of what he had in January (which itself is way less than 100% he had when he started), and it may truly force his retirement once & for all.
PR business/marketing...bla bla bla its all BS
The actual truth will come out after Favre retires regardless of how much he lies about how great his last few years in GB were.
by dsludo on Apr 30, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+4
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Apr 30, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
PR-wise he has been trashed all along. There has already been a call in show on ESPN in MIlwaukee on whether or not people want him injured in a game and how seriously. Don’t forget that the Packers hired Ari Fleischer. People don’t do that to get the truth out.
by Salty on Apr 30, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+4
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Apr 30, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
"The Packer boards are gonna go apeshit over those two bolded lines."
Some will, but I suspect many won’t. I don’t think it’s all that surprising. I just hope he remembers that after he finally does retire (and that won’t be this year, I don’t think) and he goes into the hall as a Viking.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Football education
This isn’t baseball. You don’t “go into the hall” as anything but a football player. The only exception is when a team has a hall of fame of its own.
by PackApologist on May 1, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, it's been a while since I was there...
… but when I went the busts were mounted on acrylic shelving that had the inductee’s name and usually (I didn’t check them all) the name of a team if they were a player or a coach. After reading your comment I found some photos on line that had a team name on the name plates and a couple that didn’t. So you might be right.
But you know what? You still didn’t need to act like a jackass about it. I am a baseball fan, but it was a trip to Canton some 20 years ago now that informed my belief and not my status as a baseball fan. Try to be a little less condescending next time.
Oh, and in case your attitude is based on your desire to show up a Viking fan, I’m a Packer fan, just like you. But I’m not a jackass.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 1, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
No attitude meant, just clearing up a common misconception
by PackApologist on May 1, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think you managed to do even that...
… let alone give me a “football education”.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 1, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think you managed to do even that...
… let alone give me a “football education”.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 1, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
No news is bad news when it comes to Favre.
If Favre was going to retire this report wouldn’t be coming out at all. He would simply hold a press conference in the summer and say I’m done for real this time. Isn’t this essentially the same situation we were in last year? Needs surgery to continue playing but may retire instead of going through with it. Favre just needs to give us a valid reason for avoiding training camp and this is it.
Offseason surgery is very common in the NFL and we often don’t hear anything about it until long after it occurred. Hererra had shoulder surgery last offseason and it wasn’t reported until this year when fans questioned his dropoff in play. Hutch is getting shoulder surgery sometime this year and we won’t hear anything about it unless his play suffers next year.
Most players just get the procedure done and we only hear about it if there production is affected. Brett Favre is not most players though. The fact that he allowed this to be reported is a good sign in my opinion. No news is good news doesn’t apply to Favre so expect him to be back the day after training camp ends.
by CanadianViking on Apr 30, 2010 11:37 AM CDT reply actions
Isn’t this essentially the same situation we were in last year? Needs surgery to continue playing but may retire instead of going through with it.
(my emphaisis added) No, it’s not. Last year it was an optional surgery, something he only really needed to do if he wanted to play again. He could have gone through the rest of his living days without the surgery otherwise. Him having the surgery then was a clear indication he wanted to try to come back.
This time, he needs surgery, period, whether he plays again or not (read the more detailed news reports). So, he will have the surgery, but it should not be taken as any indication of his plans this time.
?
I take part of this back. The new report I googled said Andrews had said that this surgery is “unavoidable.” Reading other reports, it looks like the report I first read may have just partially quoted Andrews comment, because nearly every other report is reading “unavoidable if he wants to play in 2010.”
Still I would not be surprised if he has the surgery even if he retires. An ankle swollen over three months after injury sounds like it should get surgery no matter if you are a professional athlete, or a desk jockey like me.
Hard to say for sure.
It’s not exactly the same situation but it seems similar. My point was that the news probably wouldn’t be leaked or reported on if Favre was really retiring. From past Favre behavior I think this indicates he wants to come back but he’s giving us and the media a reason to delay his decision until August. Just my take on it as we’re all just guessing at this point. Also ankles can heal in odd ways. I sprained mine badly while skateboarding when I was 17 and was on crutches for two weeks with the ankle not really returning to normal for about a year. Doctor told me I would have been better off it had broken as it would heal fully in two months or less.
by CanadianViking on Apr 30, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh Jesus Christ Here we go again
He needs surgery to play…..AGAIN..now espn will not get off the will he Play, won’t he play BS….He’s going to play people.
that effing drama queen...here we go again
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
bwett has a widdo boo-boo....ho gonna miss twaining camp
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Built-in excuse
As long as it works out like it did last year, I’ll be OK with him skipping training camp again. He was going to with our without this injury anyway!
by Eric J. Thompson on Apr 30, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
+4
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Apr 30, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you see the pictures of his ankle?
It was like the size of someone’s head. Seems pretty legit to me.
Of course...
Of course it’s legit, anyone whining about its legitimacy is just being a typical boring hater. It’s old news, folks. Yeah we know that some of you have nothing better to do than whine and gripe about Favre but the irony is that for all the crying about media attention, those of you who fuss about him the most are just adding to the buzz around him.
My take is that I hope he gets the surgery and returns – he was excellent for the team, a great teammate all-around, and one of the best QB’s this team has ever had. Period. Whiny Packer fans can go back to their own crappy cheese-forums and gripe pointlessly about him there, imho.
Nuff said.
by Wytefang on May 1, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chilly already said that Favre doesn't have to attend training camp.
This is a good move by Chilly. Favre doesn’t want to attend, and there’s no reason now to make him go through an elaborate medical drama to excuse him from camp. It spares some wear and tear on the ol’ guy that he can now use for regular (and post??) season.
Now Favre and the sports docs can simply do what’s best for his ankle w/o having to take into account the training camp avoidance, because he’s got the coach’s blessing, and rightly so.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/12140/childress-favre-can-skip-camp
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
Seriously? effing drama queen?
I don’t want to seem a homer here, but I really dont’ see Favre doing a lot of drama, I see ESPN, SI and the rest of the parasites crowding around making things up so they can sell papers. I’m not sure how that makes Favre a drama queen though. at 41 the man has to have some reservations, I would, with the ankle that’s his mortality knocking away at that door.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Good call!
He totally made this all up!
His ankle looks great
A man without a mustache is like a cup of tea without Sugar
by craig in calgary on Apr 30, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh right
There is his Face and drivers license right there at the bottom.
I hear he took another photo of it.
My appreciation of the Saints can not be measured in nipples and dimes...nickels and boobs...money!
I did notice in that Perriloux video he’s got a Superman tatoo so why not a coyfish spewing hearts, flowers, and other Lucky Charms.
by CanadianViking on Apr 30, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You meant this
My appreciation of the Saints can not be measured in nipples and dimes...nickels and boobs...money!
thank you for the removal, i was just about to post appropriately obscene material
hey grumps…..check your e-mail….be sure to open the attachment…go trojans !!!
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
hattiesburg is just a hop, skip and a jump from our first regular season game
i guess it will save on travel costs to have him convalesce at home til then.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I saw the pictures of his injurys on the internets
I’m a believer
by JethroBoViking on Apr 30, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Allegedly of his injuries
I don’t recall seeing Favre in any of those pictures.
My appreciation of the Saints can not be measured in nipples and dimes...nickels and boobs...money!
Now you got me thinkin
Is there any computer technology that can detect DNA from a picture?
by JethroBoViking on Apr 30, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
All i am saying
Is if that was him, why wouldn’t he be in any of the pictures. Don’t get me wrong, it quite very well could be him. But that is far from conclusive proof that it was him.
Just sayin.
My appreciation of the Saints can not be measured in nipples and dimes...nickels and boobs...money!
See now that is Freeney
And that is his bad ankle
My appreciation of the Saints can not be measured in nipples and dimes...nickels and boobs...money!
Maybe they wanted to wait for swelling to come down??
I have no idea, i’m not a doctor…
But i’m guessing it will be like last year. We’ll probably find out he had the surgery weeks or even months after he actually has it.
Haha he doesn’t need an excuse to miss training camp…Chilly has basically already said that he is fine with Favre missing training camp, along with some of the more prominent Viking players.
by packallday555 on May 1, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
You got it Oden
Been off a while do to some ailments. Last year I predicted this crap all the way down to the day he signed.
For heavens sake, if BF was that bad and knows he wants to play he would have had this done (surgery-which is just a minor scope) 3 weeks after the game. Why does he wait? To get out of camp without looking bad.
BF, quit trying to treat us aall like a bunch of “Biffs”. I have more respect for you saying I am aging and off season work outs are not on my table. You better be in camp a lot earlier than last year. You are not starting out with a couple bad teams.
By the way. You area Captain-act like one and get in there even if you come a couple days after the rooks have their intro sessions. Work it slow and pace yourself but be there to set an example. If not, it will make me puke to see him wearing a Captains patch.
Don’t get me wrong. We need Brett. But giving a Captains role to a guy who says he is hurt (again) and stays away is not the right thing. There are plenty of guys at camp in crutches and injuries just to support the team. I’ll bet EJ and griffin will be at camp just to let the guys know they are behind them and ready when the time comes.
Where’s the example Brett?
by CitrusFLViking on May 6, 2010 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Andrews is an artist.
That guy could fix someone who swallowed a live grenade. I’m sure that the ankle will be fine, but he just needs to be ready to go for the season. If not, I at least hope we have a healthy starter. The whole reason this thing got accelerated last year (which everyone seems to forget) is that TJack got hurt in the preseason. If that kid would stop getting hurt and play a full season, we’d be having a different conversation.
When he isn’t suited up on opening day, I will believe he isn’t coming back. Until then, the news cycle is going to blow everything out of proportion to keep talking about and dissect any kernel of information, regardless of how pertinent said info is, to keep people watching. The story line is even falling the same way (he’s old {first active player grandpa}, needs surgery for an injury he sustained the previous season, etc). Fell into the trap last year, just going to ride the wave this year.
Ideally...
You have to think of it like this. I wouldn’t believe that this just came to Brett’s attention as of recent. He must of known the seriousness of his ankle prior to today, or any recent days. I am quite sure he probably knew how serious the injury was prior to the draft. I believe it could be something that is needed regardless of a return or not… But I believe Brett may view it as, if he goes through with the surgery, he may as well attempt to play again if he heals correctly…
The only thing most of us fans should be concerned about is if the surgery doesn’t work out in the long run and Brett goes through a slow healing process.
Remember, this ankle is swollen and bruised.. After Brett got it hurt, even that same day, he was able to attempt to come in and try to win the game.
A little bit of hindsight however, if Brett were to have set up the team to win the game by a touchdown pass or field goal.. I wonder how his ankle would be for the Superbowl. I’m sure his performance would be greatly reduced…
So now looking back, we could of won that game, but if Brett was nearly taken out that game and his ankle flared up, I wonder if he would of missed out on the Superbowl?? Makes you wonder huh?
Just 1 more reason for Brett to try & come back, since he was so close.. Helps keep his consecutive running streak alive that way as well.
Brett wouldn't have missed the SB
My personal opinion is that if he has the surgery we won’t know about it unless its successful. If he doesn’t have surgery, or has it and it doesn’t fix the problem than he will just retire.
I hope he comes back
The Packers/Vikings games are the best in the NFL and if Favre retires that is going to take some of that away. They are my favorite two games of the year hands down!!
One more year Brett PLEASE!!
by greenbay packers backer on Apr 30, 2010 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
You're tellin me.
I somehow turned my wife, who previously never even liked football, into a Packers fan. We had dinner bets on those games last year and I got taken out for a nice dinner twice. I’m going to be hungry this year too!
Pretty please Brett.
by JethroBoViking on Apr 30, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
What?!!?
Does your wife hate you?? If my wife really got into football and turned out to be a Vikings fan I don’t know what I’d do. I mean I’m glad to have her in the club however….how’d or why did you let that happen??
by greenbay packers backer on Apr 30, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
She chose Rodgers over Favre
Maybe my Favre worship drove her to the brink. Anyway, it makes for some fun betting and she says she’s ready to bet again this year.
I can almost taste that fine food now. That is, if Brett comes back.
by JethroBoViking on May 1, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
What??
You wouldn’t take T Jack over Rodgers say it ain’t so!!!
Or are you a Favre fan that will come back to the Packers if Favre EVER really retires??
by greenbay packers backer on May 1, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Man, these hours long pauses are a conversation killer
I would have to give T Jack a chance. At this point in time I’ve got purple fever. I didn’t discover the Daily Norseman until the 2009 season and I never envisioned even thinking about football in the off season, but after reading all the posts and fanposts on this site, I’ve learned that there’s a lot to consider in the spring and summer. Plus, most of the posters on DN seem to have a good sense of humor and are quite knowledgeable.
I don’t know if anything could make me switch alliances . ( A huge cash payment maybe?) But, if for some reason the Vikings don’t make the playoffs and the Packers do, I’ll be rooting for you. Gotta stick with the NFC north.
by JethroBoViking on May 1, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
T Jack
I don’t think T Jack was as bad as the media made him out to be……It’s not Favre coming back another year that scares me. It’s that T Jack would have another year to learn off of Favre and become the QB I really thinks he is!
by greenbay packers backer on May 1, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
My self imposed ban of gonz has been lifted just in time to giggle and say ' ........
I know when I told everyone back in March that Farve needs to scope his knees and remove the bone spurs from his ankles you all doubted Dr. Goth’s wisdom. What would I do without myself . These surgeries in the past were a combination of Brett & his dad’s fear of going under the knife and a great gimmic for his Wrangler commercials . Remember what Ed McMann said , ’ It’s just entertainment , if you don’t believe it that’s your problem moron !!! ’
Remember that Brad already excused Brett from camp . Even the NFL created a schedule that encourages him as i said before tostand on the sidelines of the San Francisco game with a clipboard . Then participate in the two final pre season games to help boost season ticket sales . This is the commisioner’s way of saying sorry that he needed to place his cash cows New York & Dallas ahead of or rights to get a new Stadium .
Don’t apoligize all just keep a tab on all the ramblings . And remember guys Childress , Reid , and possibly Dungy will take off on that military boatride soon please keep us updated . Gothic wall of text signing off for now ……..
Inflamation caused by primarily BONE SPURS folks Bone spurs !!!
It doesn’t take Dr. Goth to explain that ……………….
Favre did, in fact say
after the NO game, that in hindsight..he would in all likelihood not have been able to play in the Superbowl had Vikes won that game.
As for coming back in to play after the injury, endorphins mask the pain from even serious injuries for a couple hours…I’ve experienced it several times with cartilage/ligament tears.
But you didn't really believe that did you?
I’m sure he meant it when he said it, but there is no way on God’s green earth he doesn’t play in the Superbowl if they got past NO. Maybe if he couldn’t stand up, but otherwise, he would have played.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Lorenzo
many fans predicted Brett getting injured by playoffs and JACKSON STILL BEING ABLE TO BE COMPETITIVE . O r haven’t you been on the sight over the winter .
Haha
One of Jackson’s biggest downfalls is…
Having no self-confidence..
With that said.. How well do you think he would of performed, not being able to start all year long, only playing in garbage time, to land into a position where he had to start for a Superbowl game??
You know if you delivered news to him like that he’d probably crap himself scared.
But.. Who knows, imagine if he played the game of his life and won. What better confidence building than that, right??
I'd vote for Rosey if we were in that position. Or just line AD and CT in the backfield and pull a miami.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Update from PFT via Favre's personal site.
The ankle surgery would be relatively minor and would primarily be to relieve pain. Favre says that he is able to work on his property and the ankle only bothers him when he does certain exercises. He also said that this injury occurred before the Saint’s game and didn’t affect his play as it was primarily a pain management issue. Draw your own conclusions but it sounds like this information is minor in its significance.
That does make me feel better
and puts me in mind that some of the people on this site are correct and he’s just setting up for missing OT’s. Some article I read stated he may not be back for the first couple of games next season even with the surgery, so that is what really worried me. Removing bone spurs is an out patient excercize in most cases.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Favre just posted on his site that it wasn’t that big of a deal that he hurt his ankle before the n o game he would only need minor surgery it was nothing big and he wanted to let people know espn was making a bigger deal than it was sounds to me like he’s comming back just wants to miss camp +4=revenge skol!!!!!!
You're slightly misreading one thing
He didn’t say that he was injured just before the Saints game … he said he’s had other injuries to the ankle before (in his career — not that he suffered one between playoff games)
In fact, many people don’t realize that I injured my ankle before the NFC Championship game. I’ve had surgery on this ankle twice before, and I’ve played with the pain before. The hits I took throughout the 2009 season, including the Saints game, just added to the ankle pain and likely caused some bone spurs.
His intention is to come back.
Not to have everyone hold onto his every word and then retire. The surgery is coming and so is a SB to Minny next season! Dr. Andrews to the rescue.
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
He'll be back
Yeah, I could see where that could make one conflicted. . .his last two clubs couldn’t shove him out the door fast enough.
I think it would have been scary to see what could have been had he stayed in NY. Before Favre: 4-12; With injured Favre: 9-7. They got to the AFCCG without him, and could have won it all with a healthy Favre. Too bad they wasted a draft pick or 2 on a guy they didn’t give a second chance to.
He’s going to have the surgery for him anyway, and I believe that he will be back unless the surgery goes terribly awry.
I am slightly more worried, but he'll still be back.
I’d say I’m only 85% sure he’s coming back now instead of 95% sure.
by Eric J. Thompson on Apr 30, 2010 3:01 PM CDT reply actions
Time to go Old Testament School
An ankle injury for an ankle injury…
Aw heck, when you consider the penalty which none of the zebras called, let’s just shove a certain Lombardi Throphy were the sun doth not shine and call it all even.
Is anyone still wondering why Brett could not run for a few yards near the end of regulation and decided throwing instead was his best option?
there is only one solution....payback
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I don't know if this has been posted
But according to this article the injury isn’t terribly bad and that the surgery should be a minor one.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I liked reading that
Seems more realistic…
Looks like he just wants to see if it goes down on its own… And, if need be a simple surgery could release the pain, etc. etc.
But it sounds like other factors are going to sway his decisions
But he did mention ONE that we need to keep pushing
Support from the Vikings and their FANS!!!!
I really liked
Tom Powers’ take on it in the Pioneer Press. Yep Brett, we know you’re going to miss training camp. Just go ahead and get the surgery, and we’ll see you in August. No need for any more fanfare.
by Eric J. Thompson on Apr 30, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions
Favre is coming back, 100%!
REVENGE is in sight!
Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
19-0, BABY!
I love the drama. I love Brett Favre!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
Not worried!
The Vikings ring of honor is waiting for him!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Apr 30, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
DAMN STRAIGHT!!
Favre was awesome and will be awesome if he returns for us this year. I’ll enjoy whupping the over-rated Packers yet again twice more! Sweet.
They might well do that.
But how are the Packers over rated at this point? Pretty much everyone I know pins them as a likely WC team, finishing behind the Vikings (barring the unlikely event of a Favre retirement) and falling into the 9-11 win category. Istn’ that what they are? Or do you think they’re a 6-8 win team?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
19-0
Just like you predicted last year?? 19-0 Same thing with the Superbowl?? There is a difference between being a fan and being delusional!!
by greenbay packers backer on May 1, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
NFLN update on Favre
They had another noted doctor on to discuss the recovery time for surgery to remove bone spurs and it’s only 3 to 4 weeks. The doctor even speculated that with Favre’s history it could be less. So in short this another non-story from our friends at ESPN. Should be about another dozen or so till the end of August roles around.
+4
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on May 1, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Surprise
Surprise surprise what are the odds that Favre is going to get injured and give us all head aches at this age??? Pretty good I would imagine.
by SportsHandicapper on Apr 30, 2010 6:38 PM CDT reply actions
At least we had Favre for one year
What a great player he was, and he converted us Vikings fans.
Thank you, Brett!
Favre's not done yet!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on May 1, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
The bone spurs !!!
I spoke on this subject long ago and it was old to me then . Let me help the ESPN worshippers in this group .
Brett has had issues with bone spurs for years . It’s acually a good thing that scaredy pants refused many multiple surgeries as they would have weakened the ankle and taken even more from his dexterity . He is no spring chicken and I disagree with who ever said he ‘s a fast healer .
First there is the basic scoping and then the bone spurs. Next a screw may be needed to create more dexterity , as reported by ESPN . This procedure can quicken the recovery and reduce the cronic swelling . So far 6 to 8 weeks . There could be post residue from either of the two admitted past work .
Remember , Michael Jackson claimed never to have had a surgery and Brett may not be being completely honest about the # of procedures completed .
There is no camp controversy so stop feeding into ESPN’s hype . They are just trying to make a buck . Brett seems impressed with the Vikings patience with his healing time table . R4F you are correct . His family will vote after the family trip around July 5th .
The bonehead needs to elevate the foot every few hours and stay off the tractor . He isn’t respecting the game he loves by continueing to promote the swelling . Dr. Goth OUT!!!
Ahem.
Re:
Remember , Michael Jackson claimed never to have had a surgery and Brett may not be being completely honest about the # of procedures completed .
I respectfully submit that I would have more faith in Favre’s word than in Jacko’s. Not to mention fewer creepy vibes. (Although admittedly, in the past several months, Jacko has been less likely to issue falsehoods than in the past.)
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
LLV ,
Can you find info on how many NFL players had bone spurs removed , how long the recovery , and their performance the next season to end these blogger’s misery ? Only you can do it in a positive light .
EFF
I don’t like this, I want favre back but this doesn’t bode well. TJ could defiantly use one more year of watching #4. I think chilly is ready to deploy jackson if #4 isn’t coming back and it scares me a little bit.
look for #4 to start the third preseason game in the metrodome vs the seahawks
i see t-jack startin the first preseason game vs the rams and sage startin the second preseason game vs the niners … look for a.j. and ryan to get second half action in both the first two preseason games … as for the fourth preseason game in the metrodome vs the broncos #4 gets the first series then t-jack gets the rest of the first half while sage starts and finishes the third quarter and who ever wins that practice squad spot (a.j. or ryan) will finish the fourth quarter … there is really no-doubt who will be under center on september 9th in new orleans … #4 is after all the ironman of the NFL … and i truely do admire and respect his love of the game
MGR4FUN
The fact that he even said this ...
“This decision would be easy if not for my teammates and the fans and the entire Vikings staff. One year truly felt like 10 — much like Green Bay for many years. That’s what I was missing in my heart I suppose, a sense of belonging.’’
Makes him more endearing them ever … IMHO.
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
I...
…used to hate Brett Favre so, so much. Now I’m feeling what might be described as…well, sort of gay towards him.
TELL ME I’M NOT ALONE!!!
As long as you havent
started shaving your ass clean your okay. After what he did last year…
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
In light of these revelations
Brett Favre will market a new line of Wranglers with an extra zipper IN THE REAR!
by JethroBoViking on May 1, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
My girlfriend understands. She tells her family, unironically, “Steve’s in love with Brett Favre.” I cannot BELIEVE this has happened to me/Vikings fans in general.
There's lots of Favre love on this site
Could we consider it to be like a brotherly love?
by JethroBoViking on May 2, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
heh
Was your hate was because he was a great player and/or because of how he was portrayed by the media?
I often wondered...
I often wondered about that. If a some Vikings fans still hate Brett Favre……….I mean If Randy Moss went to Packers and not the Pats I think I’d still hate him.
It would be really hard to like him after I had to watch him shred us twice a year for 150+ yards a game.
by greenbay packers backer on May 1, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Officiating in the NFL
If I was Mr Farve I would ensure that the same officials were not on the field in game 1 of the 2010/2011 season. Otherwise I would retire. New Orleans Saints should be ashamed of Bobby McCray’s play.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/9527/dirty-laundry-pereira-analyzes-calls
One missed call away from the superbowl
That's beyond funny.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
+ an extra pass interference call given to the Saints when our boy Leber made no contact at all.
That was on 3rd down and is what set up the game winning FG in OT. The refs just gave it to them.
Yeah, yeah Saints fans the Vikes turned the ball over way to much, but they did with many of them not being forced by the Saints. If on that fluky day the Vikes still had a chance to win and the refs blew it, what does that say about how much better the Vikings were?
McCourty will do. If the Packers don't take him first... they would.
Paging Mr. Kliensasser
Mr Kliensasser its that pussy Bobby McCray of the New Orleans Saints on line 1. He wants to know if you got anymore broken face masks.
Vice president of officiating Mike Pereira admitted:
Vice president of officiating Mike Pereira admitted there should have been a 15-yard penalty on the third-quarter play where Vikings quarterback Brett Favre suffered a left ankle injury. We questioned the no-call on Monday, and Pereira said: "We just missed it."
Had the penalty been called, Jonathan Vilma’s interception would have been nullified and the Vikings would have re-gained possession with a first down at the Saints’ 19-yard line.
“Nuff said”
I'd rip you for still whining about that...
… but I occasionally still complain about the Jerry Rice down by contact call (it was clearly a fumble) which permitted TO to catch the playoff game winning TD against the Packers in 1998.
Pot, kettle, etc.
Man I miss football.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Had the penalty been called, Jonathan Vilma’s interception would have been nullified and the Vikings would have re-gained possession with a first down at the Saints’ 19-yard line.
Then what? Another Vikings fumble.
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
Dirty Saints will get what rightfully belongs to them........
an old fashioned a$$ whooping!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, 100% Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on May 2, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Brett
Favre will be back and he wil beat N.O. in September – write it down. I WAS a Packer fan for 49 years. The way managment and the fans have treated Favre, I am ashamed to have friends that still follow the Packers – I don’t follow them anymore and won’t ever follow them again. The way the fans booed Favre was a disgrace to our state and the NFL. I just watched Trevor Hoffman pitch in SD (I am still a Brewers and Bucks fan). Trevor got a standing ovation from the SD fans even though he plays for the Brewers and the Brewers were beating them. Packer fans can make up excuses for their bad behavior (all of the “traitor” BS and because Favre went to the Vikings etc, etc), but the truth is that they bought into the “spin” that the Packers and their hired gun – Ari Fletcher – put out there. Packer fans are like a cult – if you try to get out of their “cult” (or diagree with the head of the cult) they will disown you and anyone that supports you – all cults have the same basis “you can never question the leader and you can never leave the cult”. Enjoy your “cult” packer fans. You are a disgrace to the old packers and the NFL.
by tl1025 on May 2, 2010 1:51 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You ex-Packer fans always want to talk about Ari Fleitcher.
Honestly, though I know they brought him in and paid him, I can’t remember one thing that guy did. Anyway, I’d already concluded that Favre was the problem before they brought Fleitcher (or whatever the hell his name is) on board. Personally, I think it’s great that you’re a Viking fan and dumped the Packers. Well, not great maybe, but I respect it. It’s the folks trying to have it both ways (i.e., most of my siblings) that chap my ass. All I ask (and yeah, I don’t really have the right to ask anything of you), is that you stay a Viking fan when Favre finally does retire. I can respect a change in fan allegiance for good cause. Otherwise, if you come back after Favre and/or TT are gone, you’re just a frontrunner in my book.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
You need to go back to square one
if you don’t know anything about Ari Fleischer. He’s a reptile. The Packers executed the gameplan that Fleischer learned at the right hand of Karl Rove. These are profoundly immoral people. What he did is pretty obvious if you’re familiar with them.
People can root for whomever they want. What is the psychological underpinning that requires declaring allegiance to a sports team forever? Maybe you should worry about your problems before the rest of the world.
I didn't say I didn't know anything about Ari Fleischer...
(though I couldn’t remember his last name correctly). I said I couldn’t remember what he did for the Packers, which was well after he stopped working for the Bush administration and Karl Rove. I certainly don’t recall any major shift in the Packers stance once they wrote him a check.
Never said he couldn’t root for whomever he wants. But if he’s going to bother putting his thoughts on the matter in a public forum, he’s subject to praise or criticism for them. If he didn’t want that, then he probably should have kept quiet.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
How much do you know about Ari Fleischer
if you think you’re going to be told what he’s doing? The playbook is the same.
Anyone who says anything can be criticized. That doesn’t really respond to my point.
Well, he masterminded the “leak” of calls on the non-existent Packjers cell phone that led to the tampering charges against the Vikings, to start with.
Ari Fleischer (correct spelling) is best know as the Bush administration PR guy who organized the leaks about WMDs & “mushroom clouds” in Irag in 2003. One fo the premier things he had a hand in was to get Dick Cheney to leak to Judy Miller of the NYT that there were WMD in Iraq, and then have Cheney cite that report on Meet the Press to make it look like it was independently gathered info that he was reacting to … not stuff he planted himself.
Ari Fleischer has never let obvious falsehoods get in the way of his spin. the fact that the Packers let reports go on and on that Brett Favre had a Packer-issued cell phone — something they not only knew was not true, but Bob McGinn (who borke that story) cited the Packers fron office as his source! — was a dark day in Packers history. You can bury your head in the sand about it, but that doesn’t make the facts go away.
Jesus...
… I know what the guy did for the Bush administration. I just don’t know what he did for the Packers, though I knew they brought him in as a consultant. I thought I made that clear, but apparently not.
There have been dark days in Packer history, but I don’t think any of them fell during the Favre business. You disagree and that’s fine, but that doesn’t make your opinion fact either, and it doesn’t mean my heads in the sand.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Excuse me if I label calling him “Fleitcher” and posting “I can’t remember one thing that guy did” as burying your head in the sand
I see your memory is now restored. Good for you.
Not restored.
It was always there. You just didn’t bother noting that fact because it was inconvenient for your response.
Ah puddnhead, don’t you ever get tired of being sanctimonious?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The previous post just scratches the surface of Fleischer's history
his time with Bush is just part of it. You don’t give me the impression you are familiar with him when you make a remark about not knowing what the guy did.
What the guy did with the Packers, is that I said.
But I suspect you know that.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Argh...
… should be “is what I said”.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
This is pretty tired stuff, but...
… it is possible to disapprove of Favre’s behavior that offseason and still not approve of everything the Packers did once he put them in a difficult spot by announcing his intention to come back. The tampering allegation was a side show. You’ll get nor argument from me there. I didn’t pay too close attention to the cell phone business at the time because I didn’t regard the tampering issue as either likely to go anywhere (because the NFL rarely enforces the rule in the face of real evidence; AND because it was pretty obvious to me that former colleagues have a right to talk to each other on the phone when they go their seperate ways) or all that important even if it did. It was already obvious that the Packers were not going to permit him to go to the Vikings (at least not that year), and nothing related to the tampering allegation would have any impact on that.
In any event, I’d lost any respect I had for Favre off the field long before the tampering allegation was made. I don’t expect to convince you to agree and I’m not trying to convince you. I commented above because someone childishly suggested that as a Packer fan, I was essentially a cult member and a disgrace to… well, humanity, I guess. I thought that called for a response to point out how idiotic that was. If you disagree with that too, well, I guess I’m not surprised. We rarely seem to agree on much of anything, except that I made comments I shouldn’t have after Favre threw that pick against the Saints last January.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I didn't mention the word respect in the comment you just responded to.
Isn’t it fun when someone responds to your comment in a deliberately obtuse way?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I did a little checking...
… and according to the cached articles I can still find from 2008, it looks like they hired Fleischer some 10 days after the unnamed source suggested that Favre used a Packers cell phone to call Bevell.
I’m not going to spend much time defending anyone from the Bush administration, but I think you’d better blame that one on Thompson directly instead of on his hired gun.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
It was ANNOUNCED they hired him then. They ACTUALLY hired him, secretly, in May (months before)
Unless you think Bob Christl, Packers beat writer of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel / Packer Insider, is confused or a liar …
http://www.jsonline.com/packerinsider/66600162.html
As saturated as the coverage was of the Brett Favre soap opera over the
summer of 2008, there was one story that begged to be investigated that
never was.
Why did the Green Bay Packers with its large public relations staff find it
necessary to retain the services of Ari Fleischer as a PR consultant?
Why would the Packers pay someone who had been at the center of the
politics-of-personal-destruction scene in Washington – isn’t that the modus
operandi on both sides? – to wage a PR battle at the expense of maybe the
greatest player in the franchise’s long, storied history, not to mention one
who was also putting $1 million a year into the team’s coffers just through
jersey sales in its pro shop?
Was it all done to smear Favre’s name?
Draw your own conclusions.
The Packers’ association with Fleischer was first reported as a note in some
state newspapers on July 31, 2008.
Three days later, coach Mike McCarthy confirmed that Fleischer, who had
served as White House press secretary under George W. Bush, had been hired
as a consultant for the next month and said the arrangement had been made
well before that.
When exactly remains unclear, or at least it’s uncertain as to when the
Packers started relying on Fleischer’s advice with regard to the Favre
situation.
In an article about Ari Fleischer Sports Communications that appeared in The
Washington Post three months ago, it stated that Fleischer had reached an
agreement with the Packers in May 2008 …
Fair enough.
You found something I didn’t. I never cared for Christl much, and he got some stuff wrong at times, but I never thought he was a liar. Even if I did, he’s sourced it to another paper, so clearly the May date wasn’t a product of his reporting anyway.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
A little more digging reveals...
… that Fleischer made a presentation to front office employees and/or owners of all the teams in April 2008, and was hired by not only the Packers, but the Niners shortly thereafter. His company was also working for MLB at the time. Clearly, the Niners and the MLB were joining the Packers in a vast conspiracy to smear Favre.
I kid, I kid.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 3, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
No you don't
I’m not so stupid that I don’t pick up the condescension. You kid about the conspiracy, yes, but only to mock, which is clearly not kidding on your part. I picked up on that from you a long, long, long time ago.
Let’s just say, Fleischer clearly earned his pay. From the Packer’s board/FO perspective. He’s got fans like you toeing this party line. You even still sometimes use the word “diva” to describe Favre which was a hand-chosen word by him, never used to describe him before. Read the article.
Well done Ari!
Look, you can pretend all you want that you didn’t know anything about the Christl article before. You can write “You found something I didn’t”, when anyone who cares to look can see that you and I have discussed this & the Christl article before.. Whatever you need to do to … yes … keep your head buried in the sand about all this. Yes, the famously tightwad Packers blew hundreds of thousands on Ari Fliescher & Associates for no reason at all. the battle over hiring him on the Packer board never happened. There is absolutely no reason that Bob Harlan is so sad about all this that he did not watch the two Packers-Vikings games last year, the first games he’d missed with no good reason in decades. He just went out and raked his lawn. He has no reason to feel conflicted and sad about what the Packers did. That MUST be it.
Parting food for thought for you
Apparently some junior members of the Packers board itself are as confused and paranoid as I am, see below.
I forget, TSSC, where do you live? Is it in or near the Fox Valley? If not, I can understand why you don’t hear the rumors and gossip that I do. Christl’s account does not exactly align with what I heard before he published this, but it was close enough. Or that you don’t realize how conservative and reactionary the “old guard” of Green Bay society is. Maybe you don’t even know about that incredible City Council push to demand verification of citizenship for all city license holders, people would have had to come in and produce it or their business licenses would be revoked. Maybe you don’t know how the backroom powers in Green Bay think and operate. Well, we down in the Appleton area do, and marvel at it.
…. By the time Favre was traded on Aug. 6, or soon thereafter, he was starting to lose the PR battle and being trashed by numerous columnists and others in the media, many of whom had never or almost never set foot in the Packers’ locker room. The theme offered by Favre’s critics was almost always the same: That he had become a diva (a word that curiously kept popping up), and that he was a self-absorbed ingrate for being wishy-washy and dragging out his decision.
One of those who was most critical was Allen Barra of The Wall Street Journal, a publication that editorially was pro-Bush and one with which Fleischer might have had some influence. While it was apparent from the article that Barra had little insight or knowledge about the Packers or their history, he certainly didn’t mince words. He compared Favre to a “prima donna,” although veteran defensive tackle Ryan Pickett had said during the 2007 season that he had never played with a better teammate than Favre, and other players held Favre in similar respect. Barra wrote that Favre had put the Packers “through hell” by not making up his mind about retirement….
This much about the Packers’ decision to retain Fleischer as the Favre saga unfolded has been verified by several sources connected to the team. It was a decision made by an executive committee that has become increasingly more involved and not by Thompson or others in the football operation.
Members of the board of directors were informed of the decision but given few details. One board member said the group was left with the distinct impression that it was a subject it shouldn’t talk about. While some people on the board said they were becoming ever more wary of the growing influence of certain executive committee members – notably John Bergstrom and Carl Kuehne – at the expense of the administration, no board member offered any evidence that the reason for hiring Fleischer was to discredit Favre. At the same time, some team and league sources said it was evident that that turned out to be an end result.
Maybe Packer fans everywhere should be more contemplative and concerned than overly emotional about what has transpired in the last 15 months. And here’s why: If it wasn’t former president Bob Harlan’s greatest strength, it was one of his top three, and that was his uncanny ability to keep the other executive committee members at bay. And history tells us that since 1923, when the Packers were first incorporated, that when the executive committee is strongest, the team usually is weakest and vice versa.
I live in the Fox Valley, though I'm not a life long resident there.
I worked in Green Bay for about 6 months a couple of years ago, only to quit and take my old job back. I met and worked with some of the “old guard” as well as members of the city council and county board and disliked the experience enough that I opted for unemployment rather than continue to work with them.
I loathe just about everything about the city of Green Bay and Brown County in general. I think Green Bay (the city) has managed to distill a perfect blend of the problems experienced by much larger cities and the limitations of the smaller ones without many of the benefits of either, the Packers being the exception to that rule.
It occurs to me that my earlier comment might have been too hard on Christl. I always respected his work. He’s a hard nosed guy who thinks what he thinks and he had little patience for folks who saw things a different way. As such, I didn’t really like the guy, but I thought he was good and I usually read his work, I just always read it cautiously because I suspected I wasn’t always being told everything. I do think at times that he’d draw his conclusions first and backfill facts, or facts with his interpretation of them, behind those conclusions to support them. Did he do that here? I dunno. I’m not sure it matters. At least not to me.
By the way, I read your comment above this one too. Following the link you included, you previously only quoted the bit about the retirement dances of Hutson and Gregg, and not the business about Ari Fleischer and what his hiring might have meant, at least from Christl’s perspective. I don’t recall following the link and reading the rest of the story before or after making the comment I did in that thread. As I noted above, I usually read Christl’s stuff before he retired in 2007, but I’ve frequently missed the stuff he’s written after that because it appears so sporadically. I don’t recall ever reading that article before, except for the Hutson/Gregg references. Whether you believe that or not is your business.
If you want to get a beer sometime and argue in person, let me know. I’m up for it. Unless your on the GB city council or county board, or both.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 3, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
If you want to get a beer sometime and argue in person, let me know. I’m up for it. Unless your on the GB city council or county board, or both.
Oh man, just shoot me now if that were true ;)
Sorry, I got a bit carried away perhaps in previous replies. I have complex opinions on what’s going on in Green Bay & Lombardi Ave, that go beyond Packers themselves. I grew up downstate, so it’s extra complicated. On paper the idea of a community owned franchise that will never leave is cool beyond measure. But in practice, when there is a board which is essentially completely unaccountable for how they play with the community property (and squander some of it on Ari Fleischer, yes, with his deep Republican party roots), it’s actually more frustrating than what even Raiders and Redskins fans must feel about Al Davis & Dan Synder. With those guys, you can ultimately say “at least it’s their money.”
Anyway, this has all gone way off topic, and everyone else here is probably bored hearing about this for the 20th time. For the record, I’ll leave things with what I always say — Brett Favre can be annoying, he could have handled things a lot better, no doubt. He could handle what’s going on right now a lot better. But he wasn’t (isn’t) paid to handle off-field issues well, he’s paid to chuck footballs. The guys in the suits are paid to do that, and the ones in GB not only screwed it up royally, they went on the PR offensive to pre-emptively destroy his reputation before he could hurt them. They admired how the Bush admin ripped down guys like Richard Clarke over Iraq. They knew Favre was not thinking clearly when he retired, sending a 2am text message to ESPN to announce it, then bawling at that march PC, so they plotted in advance how to most effectively humiliate him when he came back with second thoughts. Given how guileless Favre is about this stuff, and with Irv Favre no longer around to help him through those kinds of issues, it was like shooting fish in a barrel. Brett Favre is not a complicated man.
Those last few sentences are the primary source of our disagreement.
I think Favre likes to act guileless, but I don’t buy the notion that he is. And I don’t believe the Packers plotted in advance how to deal with his attempt to return.
But I agree that we’re beating a dead horse and I don’t blame anyone else for being bored with it. I’m getting there myself.
Cheers.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 3, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
What I said was based upon “friends of friends” heresay from the Lambeau equipment/grounds crew. Maybe they’re full of it, or naive, or biased. But they’ve been there a long time, and, if you’ve seen “There’s Something About Mary,” you know Favre is not good enough an actor to have kept that up 16 years.
And BTW I got all that before McCarthy had the grounds guy fired for making that comment last year, so it wasn’t because they had that axe to grind.
Ah, but there’s a difference between saying lines someone else wrote for you convincingly when a camera is 3 feet from your face and learning how to charm and manipulate.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 4, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
That firing bothered me.
I don’t know McCarthy at all, but that decision made him look small minded and spiteful.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 4, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I never had much against McCarthy until that
I didn’t think of him as a great coach, but I didn’t have anything strongly against him either. Firing Mike Wood cost him a lot of stature in my eyes, though, and more importantly, I think in the eyes of a lot of people he has to be around every day.
There are some discrepancies in the stories from both sides (what else is new when it comes to packers personnel disputes?), but, even in the Packers’ official version, they concede that he was fired as a direct result of yelling a comment, and even in their version (which Wood disputed), McCarthy claims all he said was “don’t lay an egg out there.” Wood had worked there over 20 years, and they didn’t even try to talk to him about it, they didn’t try to get his side of the story. They just fired him, based only on McCarthy’s account.
That's what bugged me about it.
Even if McCarthy’s version is the truth, I don’t think the guy should have been canned.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 4, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if the SD fans would have given Hoffman a standing ovation...
… if he’d have come back on the Dodgers roster? Or the Giants? Of if he didn’t make his first appearance in SD this year AFTER the Padres shut out the Brewers on consecutive days? Or if they didn’t know that Hoffman had blown 4 consecutive saves and that they had a decent shot of beating him? Not saying it wasn’t a nice thing for them to do, but it’s a bit easier to be generous with an ex-player if you’ve crushed his new team on consecutive days before he gets into a game. There are lots of other differences too, but if I point them out you’ll just think I’m a cult member, so why bother… cheers…
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
By the way...
… on further review, Hoffman heard boos when he came in last night against the Padres, according to both the Journal Sentinel and Hoffman himself. Here’s the link:
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/92627924.html
I’m quite sure that some Padre fans applauded him, and some of them might have been standing when they did so. But some apparently booed too. Hmmm. Could it be that things aren’t as black and white as you seem to think? If you’re not willing to accept that, then you’ll have to find some other example to juxtapose with Packer fans in your attempts to demonize them.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way
generalizations are useful. Do you think more people cheered Favre rather than booed him?
You certainly have a flair for embellishing a story and attacking people.
"By the way, generalizations are useful."
They sure are, especially when one wants to thoughtlessly dismiss an entire class of people for disagreeing with you, which is what the writer I responded to above did. I haven’t attacked anyone, other than Favre. I have attacked arguments that I found to be poorly thought out and foolish. And if you want to call someone on embellishing a story, you should talk the guy above, whose comparison turned out to be flat out wrong.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 2, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The latest opinion in "As Favre's World Turns"
From Peter King MMQB:
I think the Brett Favre ankle-surgery story from the other day will have little to do with whether he plays this season, the same way something I heard the other day will have little to do with whether he plays. An NFL player who knows the quarterback well told me Favre said to him after the season, "I’m 100 percent positive I’ll never put on pads again in my life.’’
The reason I don’t make that a headline is simple: Favre changes his mind as often as I drink a latte. Which is to say, a lot. We’ve seen it often in the last 26 months. Let’s just wait and see what the summer brings. And the fall.
I’ve said a couple of things as a Favre-watcher this offseason: I’m finished predicting what he’ll do, because I’ve been wrong every time I’ve predicted recently. And if I had to go to Vegas, based on the long emotional scene with several teammates and coaches in the locker room after the NFC Championship Game loss to the Saints, I’d bet he plays this fall. He loves that team. But please, keep your money in your pocket. That’s where mine is staying.
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