It's a bad quarterback class this year as far as the top guys go. . . . Keeping that in mind, they [the Minnesota Vikings] might be better served waiting
Steve Muench of Scouts, Inc. quoted by Kevin Seifert of ESPN.
It looks like we'll be taking a swing at a quarterback not this year, but in 2011.
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This article is correct. The headline is not
After reading this article three times I think I have deciphered it.
First it does a great job of pointing out the Vikings draft history. It shows that we have not drafted a first round QB in a long time and points out that half of all QBs in the NFL are first round picks.
Second it points out that the timing is perfect for the Vikings NOW.
Now seems a perfect time to identify their quarterback of the future, give him at least one year’s cushion on the bench, and close a 20-year gap in their team-building process.
Third: The quotes are out of context. The scouts point was that the class is weak if you have to take the third QB , Colt McCoy. He doesn’t think Bradford or Clausen are weak.
They would have to expend dramatic firepower to grab Clausen and McCoy might not be worthy of a No. 1 pick. Scouts Inc.’s Steve Muench
Fourth: The argument of the title is wrong.
The normal draft class has 2- 1st round picks sometimes 3. That is average. This year is the same. Not different. Not weak. In fact 4 QBs could go in the 1st round and all could be successful. There is a reason Mel Kiper has Clausen going #8 to the Raiders. Its because he is the most pro-ready QB in the class. His "it " factor is the only thing questioned. Bradford’s arm is the best in several years but he has never run a pro-offense. Tebow has “it” written all over him. McCoy is a weak, accurate wild card that wins, wins, wins, on a good team.
This article proves exactly what I am preaching. If the Vikings rate one of these QBs as the QBOF then they should go ahead and pull the trigger. Pay the piper, move up and get him. The time is right. The time is now. Otherwise build that defense and wait for Mr. right.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
different takes
I respect your interpretation, LLV. I see where you are coming from. Eventually, there needs to be a young, talented quarterback who comes in and has a shot to become the QBOTF. To me, the statement “It’s a bad quarterback class this year as far as the top guys go” speaks for itself, and includes Bradford and Clausen.
Bradford suffered career-altering injuries on the last two hits he has taken playing football. While he has bulked up, he is not a sure thing healthwise. Rarely did he face a pass rush behind an offensive line composed of standout Sooners like Phil Loadholt, Trent Williams, and Jon Cooper. He is accurate, but he rarely had to throw into a tight window thanks to receivers getting wide open. I would place Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan, when they were draft prospects, ahead of him.
Clausen appears to be a very fine quarterback as well. He doesn’t have as much velocity or accuracy as Bradford, but he is a gamer. The Fighting Irish didn’t have much great talent around him while he was there, other than Golden Tate. His offensive line was poor (and John Sullivan was there for one of those years). Clausen had one great year and two poor years. He has seemed emotionally immature at times, but he is still relatively young. One frightening thing is how closely Clausen lines up with Brady Quinn. Quinn was thought to be a top-ten quarterback, but he utterly busted in Cleveland due to lack of talent, and is a hair away from dropping out of the NFL. While Clausen is above-average, nothing about his game stands out as great. I am just not sure yet what would allow him to be a great quarterback in the NFL. At this point I would rate Clausen slightly behind Bradford, although Bradford’s history of being injured seemingly every time he takes a hit almost pushes Bradford down.
While I rate both of them high because they are quarterbacks, there are still many good players ahead of them, including cornerbacks who will likely be available at pick #30.
As fans, we should not defer to whatever the professionals say about these draft prospects. As amateur commenters and bloggers have proved over and over, we are sometimes more accurate than the professional pundits. We can respect what the Vikings do, or what the scouts say, but we can also have our own voice. And when some scouts say Clausen is great, and some say he’s not so great, that lack of consensus is just one more reason for fans to draw their own conclusion.
If we spend that first round draft pick on a player who contributes right away, that helps the team compete for the Super Bowl. That’s what matters.
As far as the Vikings rarely drafting a quarterback in the first round, think of all the busts that the Vikings passed on. Secondly, the Vikings have never drafted a tight end in the first round, so by that reasoning we should definitely take a tight end this year. Since people aren’t saying that, I don’t see any force to that argument.
Finally, if we draft a quarterback in the first round, that quarterback should play right away. Economically, the Vikings could afford to keep him on the bench. I just think a first rounder should play right away. After Favre retires, the 2011 draft pick can be used for a quarterback who in all likelihood would start at some point during the 2011 season.
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One more thing. The 1999 strategy of drafting a QBOTF and having him sit on the bench for a year turned out to be an utter failure. The Vikings could have used another defensive player like Jevon Kearse or Antoine Winfield, or some player who would have contributed to the 1999 team. If the Vikings had kept Brad Johnson, Patrick Kerney and Dre Bly were available instead of Dimitrius Underwood.
Let’s learn from the lessons of history. Let’s play any first-round quarterback right away, and this year let’s wait until the late rounds, or undrafted free agency, to get a rookie quarterback. Let’s pour it on and put the team in the best position to win in 2011.
I respect your position. Your knowledge of these college players is greater than mine.
But you look at the risk of picking a bust. I look at the reward of finding the Franchise Guy.
Of course the Vikings have picked busts. They never move up and get the top QB. Since 2000 only 3 out of 10 top QBs have been busts. David Carr, Alex Smith, and JaMarcus Russell. ( I think Vick was a success at QB. Failure in life.) I could argue that both Smith and Carr would have been better on the Vikings than the teams they went to, but I won’t. My point is that good QB evaluation usually proves correct for the top guy. So lets quit fooling around and get the right guy.
Spielman has yet to pick a top QB for the Vikes. Obviously wanting to give T-Jack a chance. He has picked Thigpen and Booty. Not bad for late round choices.
I trust him to make a correct choice. I’m hoping he does. If he waits and gets Tebow or McCoy later I trust his judgment. If he picks no one I trust his judgment. There is no way the bloggers have the same information base as our scouts. If I had to choose I would choose Clausen. I love Bradfords arm but he gets hurt. I do not think Clausen is like Brady Quinn at all. Except they went to the same school. Tebow looks like a coaches dream. McCoy looks weak to me. But whoever they evaluate I will trust them.
All I know is next year, if we draft a Rookie, we either have to pay up then and suffer with a bad season or get another old guy. Well, we have been through that before.
As always. It is a pleasure making our views known.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 8, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
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With Clausen’s workout on Friday, I have to put him ahead of Bradford now. He had more zip on the ball than did Bradford, according to Mike Mayock, who personally witnessed both of their workouts up close.
This doesn’t change my analysis though.
As always, thanks for talking, LLV.























