Why I would not draft a QB this year.
by Odin on Apr 9, 2010 7:48 PM CDT
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PrintI know this will tick off some people here at DN, but I do not feel we should draft a QB this year. (This assumes Grandpa Favre returns.) The reason is simple: Our window of opportunity for a Super Bowl title may be on it's last year. Then we will have to start to replace veterans and free agents who retire/leave. So, we must do everything to improve our team for this year. Drafting a QB, who would probably not ever be activated all year, does nothing to improve our team on the field this year.
We need interior OL, def back help, depth on the d-line and depth at RB. Athletes, who can help on special team coverage, is a bonus for later round picks. We have three QB's on the roster now. One is a HOFer and the other two can fill in for a game or two, if needed. The future is now and "wasting" a pick on a benchwarmer is not a wise use of a draft pick this year. Therefore, I hope that the Vikings use all their picks on players who could potentially help THIS year.
Besides, next year's QB crop is supposedly stronger. Go ahead and sign some undrafted guy with potential for practice fodder. Feel free to flame me, but I want the Vikings to do everything to win this year. Our chances are that good.
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If Favre re-signs, it’s still a good idea to draft a QB just because in the long run, having a QB being mentored by Favre would be better than drafting a QB and throwing him into the fire right away (or having T-Jack go straight into the fray, which is just as bad or worse than a rookie QB) and getting used to the NFL right away
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Apr 9, 2010 8:01 PM CDT reply actions
Favre is signed.
It is a matter of retirement. And Favre’s job is to win games, not mentor our QB of 2011. Many QB’s have flourished without ever being mentored by Favre. And who is to say our QB of the future is not in next year’s draft. “Win now” is still my motto. ;-)
I mostly agree with you.
But I’m willing to take a chance in the 3rd round if certain qb’s are still available.
I"m with you Odin.
We went 15-1 & then we drafted Dante with the 10th pick that we got from Washington for Brad Johnson. Dante turned out to be a good QB for us. To this day I still believe it was a mistake. We could have had Jevon Kearse with that pick. We wanted him but by the time our 2nd pick in the 1st round came around he was gone. Jevon then tore up the league in his rookie season, while Dante held a clipboard. Would Jevon have helped the Vikes to their 1st Superbowl win?
We will never know. Dante holding a clipboard didn’t. I want a real shot at a championship more than I want a GBOTF.
by iowaron on Apr 10, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
But what were you going to do for a QB between 2000-2005?
Jeff George was your QB in 1999. Why? An injury to Cunningham. Two old guys. Your thought was not to take a QBOF with the only high draft pick you will see in a long time. Even though your two QBs are very old players. But I will play your game.
The Vikings take Kearse in 1999 instead of Culpepper. They draft the Best QB available in 2000 with their draft pick. With a late round selection of the 2000 draft the Vikings select:
Giovanni Carmazzi
“The Vikings reached for their QB of the Future today by selecting the 2nd QB taken in
the draft. Hailing from Hostra this QB is expected to be ready for starting duties in a couple of years. Chad Pennington was available but the Vikings did not want to move up 15 spots for such a risk.” Some considered it a reach but the Vikings like small school QBs.. They felt bad passing on Culpepper the year before. " Yeah, Culpepper was rated a lot higher last year but we just couldn’t see solidifying our future when we had the tiny window " coach Green said.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 10, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
with all due respect
The goal is to win the Super Bowl when the opportunity presents itself. It is there for us to reach this goal, this year. I will worry about 2011-2015 only after we win (hopefully) the Super Bowl in 2010. If we were in a rebuilding mode or a 9-7 division champion; I may agree with you. We are a contender. Seize the day. (note: how many Super Bowls did we play in from 2000-5? The exact same number of Super Bowls that we won in those years)
Shortsighted? Perhaps.
Actually having a Lombardi Trophy at Winter Park. Well worth it.
Here's the problem as I see it
Doesn’t matter how good your team is. You are not garunteeing a superbowl for yourself. There are to many things left for chance. So looking to win now I personally think is a short sighted view. Many people have stated that we’re a win now team, fine win now, but that doens’t mean we can’t win next year as well.
We have a surplus of talent on this team, and that gives us the ability to draft the best possible player when we come up to draft. There are a couple of older people on our team, but we also have a lot of talented youth on it as well.
This may not have been written well, but let me end with this. I would rather be a patriots team than a chicago team.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Brad Johnson
In 1999, Brad Johnson threw 60.9% completions, 24 TD, 13 INT, 4000 yards, and a passer rating of 90.0. He would have done even better if he played with a team he knew well, the Vikings. And he won a Super Bowl ring in 2002.
by medicineball on Apr 10, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Brad Johnson played horribly in 2000, 2001.
He was let go because
1) We had a great older QB in Cunningham
2) Vikings read Johnson’s injury as curtailing his productivity.
Just like now. We have Brett. So no sweat.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 11, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeff George never quite lived up to his God-given talent, but man he was really good in ‘99. Overall though, Johnson was our guy. Maybe I’m too loyal, but to me that was a costly error, trading him.
by medicineball on Apr 11, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Proof that you gotta go with BPA and not draft for need
So if a QB is BPA you take him
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I agree with you iowa about 1999 draft
for two reasons:
1. Hindsight is 20/20. Although DPep had a few good seasons, he is no longer with the team. He was not a franchise QB for 10+ years for us. Jevon Kearse fizzled out, but he would have had a greater immediate impact than DPep had.
2. Our team in 1999 needed a lot of help on the defensive side of the ball. Most of the offensive personnel that scored a then league record 556 points was still intact.
With all that being said, the 2010 version of the Vikings is a completely different scenario from 1999. We don’t have an anemic defense. But we will have a one-demensional offense if we don’t start looking into a long-term solution at QB. Even if we wait until 2011 to draft a QB, he likely won’t be ready in year one to lead a championship caliber charge; so what then? If a QB is BPA in rounds 1 or 2, it would behove us to draft him this year and groom him for the post-Favre era.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
drafting a quarterback high in 2010 = no Super Bowl possibility this year
by medicineball on Apr 10, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Really your sure?
Are you positive? It is because our team had no hope last year so, making no changes whatsoever would immediately make us a much worse team? Maybe it’s because after that first round pick there is no way that we can find someone who could be decent on our team (Rice). Or is it because we only have 12 million over four years to pay a UFA to help us after the draft?
Sorry man I don’t see it.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
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"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
but are you saying?
that is Jimmy falls to us at 30, you would not take him. Same with tebow in the third or colt in the second?
Yes, I am saying that.
Jake Locker & Andrew Luck will be there in 2011. Even if they are not available at 32, I would take pick 32 and different unproven prospect any day. We can start building for the future next year. IMHO.
Who will help us win a Super Bowl next year? Clausen? No. Pouncey or McCourty might though. McCoy? No. But Brandon Spikes or Brian Price might. I understand the want to get the QB of the future; but there are potential QB’s of the future every year. This year is a once in a decade opportunity to win it all now. Draft to win this year!
by Odin on Apr 9, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The second paragraph should start out...
Who will help us win the Super Bowl this year?
My kingdom for an edit button.
I think that even if we do draft a Qb in the first...
I trust in spielman in enough to pick superb talent in the later rounds. I have a lot of trust in him, just look at his draft picks over the last few years, especially last years draft (all of our picks started at one point in the season)
I trust Spielman also.
I trust him so much that he can draft the right QB next year. :-)
All I am saying is go for the gold this year. Nothing held back. That includes drafting to win now. And I am of the opinion that Pouncey (or better yet, Iupati) is a better value than Clausen. He (they) just doesn’t play the glamour position.
Twins won in 11! Time for bed.
Guards and Centers over a "Franchise QB"
If that were true then guards and centers would be drafted early in the draft (like QBs) not mostly in the 2nd, 3rd, or later rounds. You might have a low opinion specifically of Clausen. That is OK. But if Spielman goes after him don’t you trust him to have decided ( with more evidence than you or I have) that Jimmy is the real deal and will be great for our football team?
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 10, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
positions
I think Pouncey would do a lot more for the Vikings than Clausen would over their careers, and in the year 2010 that would be an even bigger difference.
by medicineball on Apr 10, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
So your just assuming Clausen wil be a bust?
Because even an average QB would help us out right now.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
So you want to take an average quarterback with our first pick?
by medicineball on Apr 12, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Have you tried the Rhubarb Pie reciepe Grime posted?
Much better than having a rhubarb over the draft which we have no control. Here’s hoping the best to Spielman, Chilly, and the boss.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 12, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Brother that's not what I'm saying and I hope you understand that
I want a GREAT QB in the first round. I want a guy that’s going to make Montana look like a pop warner has been. However, to state that we can get more out of other positions because that is where our need is well that’s disngenious. Without Favre our greatest need is QB. More than Safety, CB, OL it’s the biggest need period.
When I was talking about an average QB I was stating that even an average QB would be a step up. Our team isn’t just going to magically go poof next year when we lose Favre and Phat Pat.
We’ll still be a good team, and hopefully we’ll stay that way for a loong time.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
We have Favre
and we hopefully will stick with our BPA philosophy.
by medicineball on Apr 12, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually I was talking about the year after this one.
When we don’t have Favre but we have a glaring need for a QB. Unless the brain trust wants to keep with Greens philosophy and just pick up other teams cast off QB’s.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Even if it's Clausen?
Even if Brad and co. think that Clausen could be our franchise QB? If the coaching staff truly believes that none of the QB’s in this class are worthy to be out franchis guy then your right we don’t take one at all, however, I think there might be a couple of guys in this draft who could work themselves into bing a QBotF for us.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
If Clausen falls to us
and we pull the trigger, it would not be the end of the world. I may even be happy about it in 2013. But to have Clausen hold a clipboard all year, as the deactivated 3rd QB, would not help us win a Super Bowl this year. Drafting an OG or C to open holes for AP might. Drafting a CB or S for our depleted secondary may help too.
Super Bowl legitimacy does not come to us every year. My point is to try and do everything to win this year because most of the pieces are in place. I agree that Spielman has more evidence than either you or I; but I am just expressing my opinion as a long suffering Vikings fan. I want A Super Bowl victory… NOW!!
;-P
football is a sport of the future
This requires us to be improving our team, at all times. And do not discount the value of depth, you can have no team if you have no depth at each position.
good o-linemen make the whole team better
I am of the opinion that Pouncey (or better yet, Iupati) is a better value than Clausen.
i agree with this. these guys are definately worth taking in round one, even moving up for. a good solid o-line will make life better for any qb, rb, and defense.
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
Good O Line men do make the whole team better
But I have yet to see anyone win without a QB. This whole discussion is fairly moot of course. If the heads of state see something they like they should jump on it. I guess my main issue is that I believe they should be closely looking at this situation because it is such a stumbling block for us in the years to come.
Oh and I think we have 0% chance of getting someone like Locker in next years draft. (hard to move up to #1 from #32)
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
if you are so sure
that there is a “qbotf” in this draft that we can get…then tell me who that is, instead of defering to “the heads of state”. who do YOU think is worth picking at qb in this draft, and how do we get him? commit to your point.
you know what i think, that aside from bradford, i wouldn’t use our #30 pick on tebow, clausen or mccoy. i’d rather get a good starting caliber ol or db.
I guess my main issue is that I believe they should be closely looking at this situation because it is such a stumbling block for us in the years to come.
i’m pretty sure that this is what they doing, that is what their actual job is…..they even held a private workout with preacher boy down in florida.
also, it isn’t “a stumbling block for years to come” because the future hasn’t happened yet. there are several ways to acquire a qb, no one says it HAS to be through the draft, especially through this year’s draft….we coulda snagged mcnabb.
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
This is the real issue of discussion.
It is so easy to get away from the real discussions because we all get wrapped up in our personal evaluation of players. The position was well posed by Odin. He wants a positional player drafted that will help us win the Superbowl this year. A valid position.
Others think that if a franchise QB is available we can not afford to pass up the future. A valid position.
Your question is this
If you are so sure that there is a "qbotf" in this draft that we can get…then tell me who that is, instead of defering to "the heads of state".
Everyone can argue their personal player preferences all day. I think Iupati will not be as good “immediately” as others believe. But that doesn’t change the question.
If the Viking front office believes in their heart and sole that they have a “franchise QB” spotted should they take him over anybody else? That is the question.
Some believe it is the most important position on the football field. Some believe it is only the most important position after Farve leaves. Honest debate over real questions.
And as you said.It doesn’t have to be done through the draft. It just appears as though history tells us that drafting a franchise guy moves your team forward for years to come. But don’t change the question.
Do we choose a Franchise QB if one is available?
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 13, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Pull the trigger
Do we choose a Franchise QB if one is available?
That’s the big IF. If so, yes. If not, work on the line and the secondary and grab a developmental guy later.
Completely agree with you, LLV.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
"if" is the key word
Do we choose a Franchise QB if one is available?
there are no guarnatees on a “franchise qb” draft pick.
bradford looks like a manning type pick in the draft, everyone agrees he is a legit prospect. while tom brady flew under the radar as a 3rd round pick, everyone agrees now that he is a stud franchise qb. chilly thought he was going to pick a diamond in the rough with tavaris, and didn’t handle the situation realistically. he used a late 2nd to pick his franchise qb.
i think there are shades of grey to address in trying to answer this question.
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
Jethro, He wrongly worded the question.
Here is the question I asked of you.
If the Viking front office believes in their heart and sole that they have a "franchise QB" spotted should they take him over anybody else? That is the question.
There is nothing gray about this question. It simply ask you for your opinion.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 13, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
come on, man! as cris carter would say...
i read the question posed by odin and i gave my opinions. “there are shades of grey to address in answering the question”, was my comment. and i pointed out a few of them, nothing more.
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
No shades of gray
By not answering the question you have answered the question. You do not believe a Franchise QB exists. Therefore you do not trust the Triangle if they believe a franchise QB exists.
I, on the on the hand , trust their judgment and will embrace the fact that they went after a QB in a year where they had reason to pass on drafting a QB early.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 13, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
clarification
i read the “position” posed by odin and agree. i gave my opinions regarding the availability of a franchise qb. there are shades of grey to address in answering your question, lifelongvike, and you got some of them….come on, man!.
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
In my opinion...
If the front-office “believes” that someone is a franchise QB, they should pull the trigger. If they don’t, they could regret the decision terribly… But than again, if they have no doubt, they wouldn’t be 2nd-guessing themselves..
1st rounders tend to be 50/50 busts… I think we have to consider a 1st rounder to get anywhere.. And at #30, I don’t see us grabbing a franchise QB unless we trade-up…
Well buddy
Here’s the deal. I don’t have half hell even a hundreth of the information that the coaches have about each player. I don’t have the same level of knowledge of the team or the direction that they want to go.
So when I bow to the coaches decision it’s not because I’m trying to waffle, trust me I’m pretty smart and I pretty much always think I’m right. (Just ask LLV) If I were going to look for a QB for this team right now I would probably go with McCoy then Clausen. Clausen looked great on his pro day his throwing motion was superb and he’s played in a pro style offense. McCoy I believe is more accurate and he’s a stone cold winner. His team was good but I truly believe that he helped to make them better. He does lack some arm strength, but I would like to see him in the pro’s a bit and I think he’ll be able to work past that.
So there are my two picks. McCoy then Clausen. However, I have no idea what Chilly is looking for. Hell he might not even want to draft a QB and just live off of the leavings of other teams like Green did. Problem is I don’t think that’s how you win a superbowl. Green had some great teams but he never had the sense of team that would take it to the end.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
there you go, that helps
If I were going to look for a QB for this team right now I would probably go with McCoy then Clausen. Clausen looked great on his pro day his throwing motion was superb and he’s played in a pro style offense. McCoy I believe is more accurate and he’s a stone cold winner. His team was good but I truly believe that he helped to make them better. He does lack some arm strength, but I would like to see him in the pro’s a bit and I think he’ll be able to work past that.
there you go, giving your perspective/opinion on those players completes your point. i agree with your assessment of these players. i just think that either of these guys will need to be developed, not just groomed. and, that when they get their chance to start, that they will not have the arm strength to be the brady/manning/farvre type of qb.
i also think that those guys are better 2nd-3rd round picks, not 1st round, so i wouldn’t want the FO pick either of them over anyone else.
thus, i think that the offense will need to be more balanced and develop a stronger and more reliable running attack. they will also need to give the young qb more reliable pass protection than favre needs. this points to the need for building a stronger and more reliable o-line.
so, i think that regardless of what happens with the qb situation, it is predictable that o-line needs improvement. i see good o-linemen and d-backs that we can get more readily than a qb in the first round.
if the coaches pick tebow/clausen/mccoy in the first round, i think thay they are swinging at the pinata, to some degree. just my opinion.
cheers.
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
Well here's the problem unlike fantasy football
we pick last in every round. So if we don’t pick up someone we think we like at 30 we may not see him again at 62 or wherever. I have no problem on picking up McCoy in the second round I just beleive we’ll have to trade up to be able to do it. Qb’s are scary beasts and people are rightly worried about them. 50/50 is not a great ratio. However, if you never pick a QB at all that 50/50 drops down to 0 and that is an even worse percentage.
Personally, while I think McCoy could excell in time with us I don’t think Childress will look at him. His style of QB is a guy who is very athletic and not to bright. Because of this I see Tebow in our near future. Sort of like a white TJ.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Athletic, strong armed, Not to Bright?
First you almost described Tebow. Second that is not a proper identification of any person. If TJ can’t diagnose pass defenses in a matter of a second or two ( just like me), that doesn’t imply that he doesn’t have a lack of intelligence or smarts or common sense. It implies an inability to be a top rated NFL pro quarterback. I don’t think I have that level of Smarts and I don’t consider myself unintelligent ( so I would qualify) .Now that does not mean that the hundreds of posters here who have to read my unintelligent postings are in any way maligned by reading my post and have, in and among themselves ,become unintelligent by reading those posts.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 13, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, figure that one out , smartypants.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 13, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok first lets untangle your logic
You may consider yourself intelligent, you may consider TJ intelligent, you may think Childress is intelligent. I’m pretty sure your correct on all accounts. However, there are different types of intelligence. I am pretty damn smart when it comes to logic but I can’t figure out word searches to save my bacon. TJ could be a Mensa condidate but unless it maps back to football I could care less if he can figure out natural logrithms in his head.
To me, TJ makes bad decisions it may be caused by football smarts, or it may be caused by the terror I see in his eyes. What I no longer believe is the cause is inexperience.
You don’t have to be a rocket surgeon to play the position, just look at Bradshaw. I highly doubt any of us would want that man to do our taxes for us.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Specific Applicability
All that I expect to get out of looking at a player’s Wonderlic, GPA (and degree :) ), is some idea as to how well they are able to learn. The higher score, the more it suggests to me they are able to learn in an adaptive fashion, quickly.
Once the knowledge and skillset is in place, the playing field is leveled; the slower-learning players are able to keep up with the fast-learning players, so it becomes moot.
In this case, however, the player’s athletic ability has a short peak shelf-life. While that can be made up for with superior understanding of the game and judgement skills, a clear case can be made that the sooner the player ‘gets it’, the sooner they can excel.
Understanding NFL football is hardly rocket science, but it requires something that few rocket scientists would excel at; the ability to recognize what’s going on as 21 other players with varying degrees of capability swirl around in a complex interactive pattern (which changes each and every play), predict the future of that pattern for the next 5-10 seconds, make the correct judgment on the optimal course of action to achieve his goal, and then act on it with sufficient physical ability to to be effective.
NFL caliber players may not be ‘rocket surgeons’, but they’re a rare breed of human that are carefully selected to be extremely good at what they do.
Bradshaw clearly has a lot of Neanderthal heritage back in the woodpile, but I’d bet his ancestors excelled at throwing rocks at prehistoric animals :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
How about this?
The Vikings draft could look something like this;
1. Clausen
2. McCoy
3. Lefevor
4. Skelton
5. Brown
6. Kafka
7. Archer!
That should increase the Vikings’ odds on finding a franchise QB :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
That is just to funny!
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 14, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you
I agree, I’m not too impressed with the quarterbacks available in this years draft. Bradford is the only quarterback that I watched during Saturdays that really impressed me, but he did have an unbelievably talented O-line and play-makers. Of course, so do we =).
I think a number one defense in the NFL is right around the CORNER. Yes, we need someone to atleast slow down play-makers like Steve Smith and Calvin Johnson. Even Greg Jennings. (Sorry Chicago—you don’t have talented enough of a reciever to even list) Our front 4 can apply pressure themselves, so its mind-boggling why we aren’t more effective in coverage. Maybe its a little lack in talent, or maybe its just the way the numbers fell in each odd played out game. I mean, we were ahead alot this season, causing more teams throwing more often. Besides, noone is running on us anyway (not exaggerating)
If there is a much more talented safety on the board come our pick, then take that over a cornerback. I would like Griffin to be 100% before returning, so Asher Allen might get some action, but we need more competitive depth.
SKOL VIKES.
by PurpleJesuZ on Apr 9, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
purple jesuz said...
I’m not too impressed with the quarterbacks available in this years draft.
i agree, other than bradford, who is out of reach.
Bradford..really impressed me, but he did have an unbelievably talented O-line and play-makers. Of course, so do we =).
i disagree, we don’t have “an unbelievably talented o-line”. they stink at run blocking and break down enough in pass blocking to be a concern (i.e. need to be upgraded), imho.
its mind-boggling why we aren’t more effective in coverage. Maybe its a little lack in talent…
you answered your own question. it is lack of talent. i think this is a weakness that needs to be addressed before we get lit up. winfield was hurt a lot, mildew williams is not good, t.johnson could be a good fs (not ss) if we have a leader/enforcer at ss. (brian dawkins was available last year after we mindlessly let d.sharper go. sharper is available this year). griffen is only okay, but is he healthy?
2 years ago, we had the top run defense, and our pass defense ranked approx. 28th in the league. the vikes did not really upgrade the db’s going into last year. they are a weakness that will get picked apart. if we went to the sb against peyton manning, he would have shredded our db’s.
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
I agree with you Odin
There is so much talent in this years draft that we can actually load up our team with quality depth for this year and years to come and then we can take a QB next year. We have a great team but we do need to restock our shelves before we get a new chef.
by nmvikesfan on Apr 9, 2010 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ok tell me how you win without a qb next year?
Just wondering. We’ll have this great team and no QB, hey tell you what that’s starting to sound like an echo. So we’re going to stick TJ in there and watch our team melt away as everyone realizes we have no chance and the coaches lack the ability to think proactively?
I read somewhere in a book written by a GM for a pretty effective hockey team. He stated if you have a chance at teh championship take it, if you don’t have a fire sale and start rebuilding. Do you want to start rebuilding when Favre leaves? Remember this, even if we got Suh, Berry and Weatherspoon this year there is nothing garunteeing us a SB win.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
eddie shore...old time hockey?
I read somewhere in a book written by a GM for a pretty effective hockey team.
would that be the charleston chiefs?
...the game serves us, it has a definite social purpose. in the future there will be no war...there will only be Rollerball.
The reason
I provide for drafting a QB this year, is that he will have a year to learn from Brett. We will see how good Rosencopter is in Pre-season this year since learning from Brett all last year. But that’s not the point, point being if we draft a Qb this year and have him learn from Brett for a year, as opposed to just drafting a QB next year and putting him as a starter, and having him struggle. You never know what can happen. That’s just how I feel.
Brett can always come back as a coach or consultant after retirement.
by medicineball on Apr 10, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Really? do you really think he'll do that?
Do you think he’ll ba a better QB coach than we already have? I think your assuming quite a bit with that statement MB.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
If and only if.............
Clausson falls may we bite .
Remember Quinn…….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great call that year !!!!!!
Rebuilding
A team with a great QB never has to rebuild. They just have to retool every now and then.
There's a little beserker in all of us!
+1 Rec'd
Odin, we are of like mind on this completely. Do not draft a QB this year. (I would say it’s OK in the 6th or 7th round if we get a good one.)
Two disagreements with your argument.
Your first point is that the window for winning the SB is short. Only one year long. Why is that?
I assume it’s because of having Brett for one more year. So, you want to draft depth positions to help him this year. We have not lost one single starting player from last years squad. We have 8 draft picks to help fill these depth positions. But the fact is you are assuming we can not win the Super bowl next year or that a string of non super bowl years are inevitable. You do not assume we can win the super bowl many times if we have a young “franchise” QB on our roster. No rookie QB has ever won the SB. We need at least one year for that person on the bench.
Your second point is that we can get a good QB next year. You want to win the super bowl this year and pick up a quality "franchise " QB next year with the 32nd pick in the draft. The QB class will be no deeper next year. We have no extra draft picks next year. Moving up to get the best will still be expensive. You simply don’t want to do it this year, probably for fear that the available QBs are just not that good.
Lets be honest. History shows us that most draft picks, AT ANY POSITION with the 30th pick do not start (or contribute little) for good NFL football teams. Most QBs drafted #30 are not Franchise QBs. This is why we can not afford to pass up any QB that our coaching staff and Scouts rate as a “franchise” QB. You might never get the opportunity to draft one for years. The biggest risk is Not drafting the guy as opposed to not having a bench player contribute this year.
I don’t promote any QB this year over another. I trust our staff to pick or pass on the proper QB. But I don’t want to restrict the future for bad reasons.
Your argument is the same if they draft Phat Pats replacement at #30 knowing he will sit on the bench this year. He won’t contribute this year so don’t draft him. That is not how good teams draft. They draft the best and do it year after year.
I respect your opinion but in this case I don’t think it is the correct drafting path for the Vikings.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
Low 1st or High 2nd
Lets be honest. History shows us that most draft picks, AT ANY POSITION with the 30th pick do not start (or contribute little) for good NFL football teams. Most QBs drafted #30 are not Franchise QBs.
This is why I don’t really consider that #30 to be a true ‘1st round pick’. Taking it into account as a top pick for the succeeding round is, IMO, a more realistic view of it’s value.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Get over the “round” the pick is in. The value of the pick is that, at worst, you have the opportunity to get the 30th overall prospect out of a process that will have close to 300 overall prospects drafted. Much more likely, you get a chance at a guy you have rated much higher because other teams reach early on guys they like and highly rated players fall into your lap (ala Harvin). Saying its “not a true first round pick” is the first step in convincing yourself its ok to reach on a guy that isn’t valued at the position in the draft.
+30
Saying its "not a true first round pick" is the first step in convincing yourself its ok to reach on a guy that isn’t valued at the position in the draft.
couldn’t have said it better.
Plus if the talent of this class meets expectations, the first half of the second round might be considered an extension of the first round.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Lets be honest. History shows us that most draft picks, AT ANY POSITION with the 30th pick do not start (or contribute little) for good NFL football teams.
Players taken with the 30th overall pick since 2000:
2000: Keith Bullocks, LB Two time All-Pro and still a high quality starter for the Titans
2001: Reggie Wayne, WR One of the best WRs in the NFL
2002: Kendall Simmons OG – Started for the Steelers from ‘02-’08 Winning a SB. Now plays for the Bills.
2003: Sammy Davis CB – Chargers blew this pick as Nnamdi Asomugha was taken one pick later and is one of the best in the NFL
2004: Kevin Jones RB – Injuries derailed his career, but so does getting drafted by Matt Millen and the Lions
2005: Heath Miller TE – One of the most underrated pass catching TEs in the game. Has won two SB’s with the Steelers and is a favorite target of Big Bens (76 catches last year)
2006: Joseph Addai RB – Still the main rusher for the Colts
2007: Craig Davis WR – Chargers blow it again. Davis can be officially called a bust at this point
2008: Dustin Keller TE – The Jets #1 TE and so far has been a great pick up for them
2009: Kenny Britt WR – Played great for a rookie WR and is Tennessee’s #1 WR
So 7 of the last 10 picks at #30 overall have been starters and big contributors to their respective teams which goes against your theory. Sure none were “franchise QBs” but each has made a big impact on their teams and that is what you want from the 30th overall pick.
Wow, great stats. I was surprised at the last ten years.
Bullouck started 0 games. Wayne started 9. Addai started 0 games but had a 1,000 yd season. Davis was a bust at 0 and Britt started 6 games. I was surprised at a 70% starting rate. Its either a statistical anomoly for that short a period or its indicative of the great drafting prowess of the better teams. Either way I will have to admit that the 30th player can be a help to the team next year. I always believed that was possible but never to this level. I sure hope we do as well with this pick as others have done. Whether that be a QB or any other position.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 11, 2010 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions
if you add 1999
Patrick Kearney was selected by Atlanta with #30
and Denver picked Al Wilson #31.
Both had an immediate impact on their respective ball clubs and started for their teams for many years.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
any position might play except
QB, a person drafted in nearly any round may play the first year except QB. Most even if picked in the top ten will not play the first year. Jasper played, Asher played, Loadholt played. I would prefer taking a CB in the first round, but I would trust the Powers that be to pick the BPA as they have had great success with this. If we want a bench warmer there seems to be some pretty good QBOTF in the later rounds.
If we do not move up that changes the dynamic a bit. I just wonder if the QBOTF will be found at #30 anyway, so we can pick up a project in the later rounds. What I have seen of some of the QB’s it seems there are some pretty good projects out there.
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Apr 10, 2010 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
Draft
BPA first two rounds. If they fill a need all the better. It’s worked in the recent past….
They better get the QB this year because moving up will be harder in the future
I guess this point has not been made or thought of but when they institute the salary slotting system for the top picks the financial incentive to trade out will be removed. IMO that will make it harder to move up. The team moving up will have to give up more than they would this year. If you have two first round picks you still may be able to move up if a team has a QB and does not want a top 10 stud and would rather get two guys later.
IMHO this is the year to make a move if you are going to make a move.
another possibility
Alternatively, the Vikings could pick up a few extra picks for the 2011 draft as extra ammo to trade up.
For example, let’s say Pouncey and all the other top-rated prospects are off the board at pick #30. The Vikings trade down into the early 2nd round and pick up a 2011 pick in the process.
Of course, all of us Vikings fans who have been staying up late on that Thursday evening, watching the draft for hours on end, well, we might be feeling let down if the Vikings then trade down and don’t even have a pick in the first round. But if it helps the team, great. I hate the new draft format anyway. It should go back to all-day Saturday and Sunday.
by medicineball on Apr 11, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Depth
I don’t understand where people are saying we need to add depth at quarterback now. We have the best quarterback trio in football right now.
Second, if we don’t draft a quarterback at all, or just draft one in the late-rounds, we are adding depth to all of those positions that we drafted, like cornerback. If the draft went right, and everything goes right, those players will help the team in 2011, 2012, and beyond.
This adds depth to a depth-starved team. Our strongest position in terms of depth is quarterback.
Always a reason not to take a risk.
2011. Pat Williams retired. We have to have a DT. Sidney Rice does not resign. Need a WR.
2012. AP does not resign with the Vikes. Need a feature RB
2013. Winfield and Griffen both are out due to career ending injuries.
These and a hundred other stories can always cause a team to take a position other than QB. Why? Because the QB position is expensive in terms of moving up to get your guy.
All positions are important but NONE as important as QB. We will never be in a stronger position to get a QB with as big as need for a QB. If indeed people want to believe that Sage and TJ are “franchise QBs” then the Vikes don’t Need a QB. But if the Need is there we need to pull the trigger if a “franchise guy” is available.
We don’t need depth at QB. We need a “franchise QB” to take the reins after Brett retires. We need that person to have learned something first ( on the bench) so we don’t have a disastrous season his first year out.
I enjoy this discussion but I think I have beat this horse long enough. I am going to try and be quiet about it from now on. As always I do enjoy reading the other side of the discussion.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 11, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Supply and demand
The supply of first-round quarterbacks is very low this year. There are Bradford and Clausen. Two others, McCoy and Tebow, might slip into the first round. The second-rounders are also thin, including LeFevour, and Pike. None of these quarterbacks are as good as Matthew Stafford or Matt Ryan were when they were prospects. I don’t think they compare well to Joe Flacco either.
In 2011, though, there will be:
Jake Locker, Washington
Andrew Luck, Stanford
Case Keenum, Houston
Greg McElroy, Alabama
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
Dayne Crist, Notre Dame
Terrelle Pryor, Ohio State
Probably about four of them will be first-round locks, with a couple of others having outside chances of going in the first round.
The law of supply and demand says that supply and price are related inversely.
Based on that law, the cost of trading up for a first-round quarterback will be much higher in 2010 (low supply) then it will be in 2011 (greater supply). In my opinion, this is another reason why we should not trade up this year, but instead wait until next year to trade up.
I, too, am growing extremely weary of this pre-draft talk. Unfortunately the draft is still ten or twelve days away. I might be on DN a little bit less until then, unless something big happens.
by medicineball on Apr 11, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure why dont we wait until the 2014 draft
And select Landry Jones QB, Oklahoma. That was a joke. I don’t want to wait that long especially since we passed on McNabb. But Jones is a guy to keep your eye on.
And I’m not just being a homer because he is from New Mexico. The kid is good.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
His porn ‘stache is definitely killer. Would he be the only QB with a mustache? Can’t think of any others outside the occasional goatee/playoff beard.
The student section made "Fear the 'Stache" signs this year when he took over for Bradford
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
2014 - I'd rather take a chance on Nick Montana
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
If Stanzi gets drafted
And that’s a big IF…..then I’d be happy if he went to any one of 31 NFL teams.
Do you think he will throw interceptions in the 1st quarter of every Pro game in which he plays?
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 14, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
He already does that in college....
I personally don’t think he’ll get drafted. He lacks about 99% of what you want in an NFL qb.
I know. I'm an Iowa Fan from way back. He wins ugly.
But the posters who want to wait till next year will actually use him as an example of the many high quality Pro QBs that will come out of the draft next year.
Every year a couple kids get drafted in the first round and ten others get drafted later. That rarely changes.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 14, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
REmember last year they told Detroit they shouldn't have drafted
Stafford because this year the QB’s were going to be so much better than last years crop. The grass is always greener my friends.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Meh chances are many of those QB's will take a shot in the mouth prior to the draft
Look at Tebow.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Of those listed I see maybe 2 as potential 1st round prospects
Jake Locker and Greg McElroy.
Case Keenum is talented, but he will endure the curse of previous Houston QB’s.
The others, well some may be undrafted FA’s like Stanzi. Or converted to WR like Pryor.
I really don’t see how this group of guys conjures more excitement than the 2010 draft class. There will be none to match the numbers put up by Tebow or LeFevour. None will match the win total of Colt McCoy. Will people say that any of these guys could have gone #1 overall the previous season the way they do about Bradford, before his injury?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Not every one agrees with you that TJ is the second coming of Joe Montana mate
And I don’t see him being all that better than quite a few second string QB’s. The main issue is that when the old man finally does hang up his cleats we won’t have a starter. I don’t care how much depth you have. If you don’t have someone who can start, you have no depth at all.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Our strongest position in terms of depth is quarterback.
Not long term. Favre will retire after 2010. If TJack signs his tender, he is a UFA after 2010. What’s left?
QB’s need time to develop. Some more than others. We are in a position to draft a good QB (not a raw project) and groom him for a year. That luxury won’t be there for the 2011 draft.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I saw a mock draft last night
that had the Raiders taking Tebow (with McCoy still available) early in the second round. An Al Davis type move for sure. Speculation? Of course.
But my head almost exploded at the thought of this clash of cultures. ;-P
Tebow to the Raiders
In my first mock draft, I toyed with the idea of the Raiders taking Tebow in the first round, just to hold him hostage from the Jaguars, and require the Jags to pay out extra picks to get him. But then the Jags distanced themselves from Tebow. Our old middle linebacker Jack Del Rio is on the hotseat, and needs to win now. They will probably draft a player who instantly has an impact, like CJ Spiller, if they can. Garrard is not a world-beater, but if the pieces are around him, he’s good enough. Tebow would be a big risk in the first round.
If the Raiders want to change their culture, Tebow would be a great cornerstone for their new foundation.
by medicineball on Apr 11, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Tebow and Gerhart
will both look great and contribute well in Purple….
One problem with waiting until next year to select a QB
I distinctly remember how one year ago, scouts were predicting this year’s draft would feature as many as 5 first round QB’s – Bradford, Tebow, McCoy, Clausen, and ???. Well, it doesn’t look like that’s going to pan out. Now they’re saying NEXT year’s draft will be the better QB class…
Why should we trust they’ll be right this time? Can’t keep waiting every year, always having to patch something together with some veteran free agent. I’d just as soon see them draft a QB every single year until they finally hit on the franchise guy who will be a consistent starter for the next 10 years. Hopefully they can do that in one draft.
+1
It is a very difficult puzzle to solve for the GM. Lets all trust that they continue to draft well. If they do or don’t take a QB it will be because of the talent of the pool of players, not because of the hopes and dreams of us fans.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 12, 2010 5:44 AM CDT up reply actions
If we did that then we would have nothing to talk about.
Except of course for pie.
Worlds best Rhubarb pie:
4 cups chopped rhubarb
1 1/3 cups white sugar
6 tablespoons all-purpose flour
1 tablespoon butter
1 recipe pastry for a 9 inch double crust pie
Directions
Preheat oven to 450 degrees F (230 degrees C).
Combine sugar and flour. Sprinkle 1/4 of it over pastry in pie plate. Heap rhubarb over this mixture. Sprinkle with remaining sugar and flour. Dot with small pieces of butter. Cover with top crust.
Place pie on lowest rack in oven. Bake for 15 minutes. Reduce oven temperature to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C), and continue baking for 40 to 45 minutes. Serve warm or cold.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
looks good
my receipt has brown sugar instead of white with one tsp. cin. I have also seen it with half honey and sugar with good results.
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Apr 12, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Stop that
Now I’m hungry… good thing it’s almost lunch time :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I like the win-now mentality.
In my opinion, if Favre is contemplating retirement, we best build-up our o-line by adding depth to ensure his safety. We need to focus on defense as well to add depth and some play makers. Improve our weaknesses and we could have some great success.
T-Jack has had 1 year behind Favre, so imagine if he can learn more for his 2nd year. Sage (as well), so with that being said, I don’t really see us drafting a QB except for practice squad use. If we do, I won’t be pissed, since I have trust in the FO.
Well said +1
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 12, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
You just said that because you trust the FO as well.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Yes,
Once I found out that the FO had a passion for pie, I trusted them completely.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 12, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
The real question is what kind of pie they like...
What if it’s chocolate pie? They may be like the pie because they like chocolate, which casts doubt on whether or not they’re true pie-lovers.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Why Pie?
Cake people can’t be trusted. Its crumbly. Hard to figure out whether it should be eaten with a fork or your hands. Always looks larger than it feels after being eaten. Yeah if the FO liked cake I would say they are crumbs that are hard to figure out and look like something they are not.
Now Pie people:
Know what they want, Know what they are getting, and are just simple honest eaters.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Apr 13, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad that my lasting contributing to DN
is going to revolve around pie. Oddly enough it has symetry..
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Well
You have to trust the Front-Office…. They have built a great team that has progressed year after year. They knew they had a weak spot at the QB and they pursued Favre. Favre had a near immediate impact, and proved great success. When it comes to the QB position, I think experience plays a great part. Reading defenses and throwing accuracy seems to be best done by experience. If T-Jack were to sit behind Favre for this year, I could see him being a great potential started in 2011. I don’t think he is ready now though, however. Could he get the job done? At times, I would have no doubt… For him, I believe he just needs to gain self-confidence… I bet we could see a great improvement with Sage as well. If we have the same QB trio this year as we did last, that’s only a big plus. If we use our draft picks to fill other needs and add depth.. We may not have to worry about a QBOTF if T-Jack performs well.. He did do very well in garbage time..
Here’s a few things I think T-Jack will have had the experience to make him a better QB if he sticks as a back-up for 1 more year.
- A not-so butchered up play-book and the experience of seeing the plays during game Learning from a future hall of famer and what time of work ethic is involved in being successful.
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- Confidence is a huge contributor in the success. Yet, luck still plays a factor. Hopefully even more garbage-time played this year to help boost his self-confidence
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— More experience w/ connecting to his receiver on passig downs
Long story short, I think by 2011, he’ll be anxious to try to be a starter versus his past where he was uncertain he would be able to succeed. Since he was tagged with a 3rd round tender, I believe currently that the FO is on the fence about him and potentially see some value in him at the moment… So, if no one bites, the coaches will work more with him to hope he succeeds.
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