Ray-main Calm, All is Well!!
by Ted Glover on May 12, 2010 5:09 PM CDT
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Ray Edwards has chosen not to participate in voluntary off-season workouts to this point, and has no inclination to sign his restricted free agent tender anytime soon. He has been unhappy with a couple things, near as I can tell. One, when he signed his rookie contract, the labor agreement in place at the time would allow him to become an unrestricted free agent after his fourth season…unless the labor contract got voided, which it did. When that happened, unrestricted free agency went from four years to six years, making Ray and well over 100 other NFL players restricted free agents.
There’s a big difference in restricted free agency and unrestricted free agency in terms of compensation, and the tools available to teams to keep players in the fold. If Edwards had been approaching unrestricted free agency, the only options the Vikings would have had available to them to keep Edwards a Viking is to either sign him to a long term deal, or designate him their franchise or transition player. Had the Vikings put a franchise/transition tag on Ray, his one year salary would’ve been a whopping $12.4 million with the franchise, or $10.2 million with the transition tag.
I doubt the Vikings would have been able to afford that, and as I think they value Edwards, a long term contract extension would seem like the logical decision, as Edwards has played well since being drafted in 2006. I don’t know what the parameters of the deal would be, but quality defensive ends are hard to find, and Edwards has been a productive player for the Vikings. Let’s look at the Jared Allen contract, which was a 6 year, $72 million dollar deal with $31 million in guaranteed money. Julius Peppers signed a $91 million deal, with $40 million guaranteed. Big contracts for the two best defensive ends in the game, to be sure, and numbers that might help determine what Edwards could get in free agency. I’m just spitballing here, but is a four or five year deal for Ray with $15’ish million guaranteed a realistic number? I think it is, which kind of gets me to my point, in a ‘let’s go through Canada to get to Mexico’ fashion.
I think Ray Edwards has every right to skip voluntary workouts.
Ray lost a lot of money in this uncapped year crap that’s going down in the NFL, and quite frankly the Vikings were smart not to extend him until they have to. For one, no one really knew what to expect with an uncapped year, remember? Yeah, it was a whole lot of nothing, but some folks were running around like it was another Y2K disaster in the making. Oh, and there’s this potential NFL lockout that is hanging over the NFL like Jack Kevorkian over someone with a cold. That tends to cloud long term contract talks as well. Yes, you want to reward a player for good performance, and in Edwards’ case, his salary is increasing by over $1 million, but in the modern NFL, the goal of the player is to get as much as possible as early as possible, because the next snap could be your last.
In this case, both the team and the player are doing what is in their best interest, and trying to read between the lines of what Brad Childress is thinking, he doesn’t seem too upset. When asked about Edwards holding out, Chilly said:
"I wouldn't be surprised to see him show up at some point and time. I know I don't have to worry about Ray from a physical fitness standpoint. He's doing all the things he needs to do."
Does that sound like a coach who’s mad that one of his starters is holding out? And is Edwards really holding out? No, he's not. He’s not attending VOLUNTARY off-season workouts. Woo. Hoo.
I don’t see this as a bad attitude, I see this as a guy who is making a lot less money than he thought he would be at this point in his career, and he’s upset about it. The only way a player has to show his displeasure is to not show up for stuff, and voluntary workouts are harmless, if you ask me.
I think what will happen is that sometime during the course of the season, the Vikings will work out a contract extension, Edwards will get paid, and everyone will be happy. Or he’ll hold out into training camp and everyone will get really pissed off at each other. But the Vikings have a contingency plan for that, too. His name is Everson Griffen.
See you at the mandatory OTA's and training camp, Ray.
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Good for Ray
I totally agree with this article. Just out of curiosity how many other vets did not go to voluntary workouts.
Atari Bigby is reported to be considering skipping the Packers' OTAs this week.
Daryn Colledge just signed his tender last week and is expected to be there.
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The glass is more than half-full.
One thing
I’ve been one of the fans saying they should trade him this year before they risk losing him next year for no compensation. At the same time, I agree that he’s a good player and wouldn’t mind seeing him re-signed. Here’s the catch — barring injury or a poor performance in 2010, if the Vikes want to resign him, it’ll probably cost them more to do so next year when he’s able to solicit offers from every other team in the league. If they extend him now, Edwards gets his raise a year early, and the Vikings avoid having to compete with a more desperate team’s offer. The fact that they aren’t doing that makes me think they aren’t yet convinced he’s the best long term option. Add to that the selection of Everson Griffen, a supposed 1st round talent, and veteran backup Robison. Depth is great, but it would seem like a stretch to keep all 3 of those DE’s (with 2 stuck on the bench at all times) when there are other needs to address. Edwards is the most proven of the bunch, and for that reason I’d like him to stay long term in MN. On the other hand, he’s also the only one with any real trade value. If he walks one year from now and the Vikings don’t get anything in return, I’ll be bummed. I was saying the same thing about Chester Taylor a year ago. And extra 3rd or 4th round pick that might have been gained by trading him away before he hit free agency sure would have been nice to have in the recent draft.
I don't understand this logic.
I was saying the same thing about Chester Taylor a year ago. And extra 3rd or 4th round pick that might have been gained by trading him away before he hit free agency sure would have been nice to have in the recent draft.
If we had traded Chester we would not have gotten the play out of him that we did. We probably would not have been one play away from the Superbowl. We paid Chester for his last year of service and he performed well. Why would a team give you a draft choice for a potential free agent? The only answer can be because he is valuable to them that year. Ray is worth 5 Mil per year. The Vikings own him for 2.5 Million this year. Why wouldn’t that value be worth as much as a draft pick? If we go to the SB this year you will be glad you didn’t trade away Ray this year.
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by lifelongvike on May 13, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
a team would be willing to make this trade because then they don’t have to bid for him in the open market.
by iseepurplepeople on May 14, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
That is true
Only if they reach a long-term contract agreement with him prior to agreeing to the trade.
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haha!
That is the funniest photo caption I have ever seen!
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by AlexHayes on May 12, 2010 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
you know what amazes me
how is like a million a year, to little. I want to see Jared Allen buy some really stupid shit with his cash or i’m gonna be angry, (his own ranch).
Your'e right Muffin Man & Luft Krigare
How is a Million dollars to little, are you kidding me. I would like the Vikes to keep Ray. He has been solid for us and he does deserve a raise. If Ray insists on the big money then trade him. Let some other club overpay him. He is benefiting from and already great D-line. He will not be able to put up the numbers he has with another club. I am so sick of players having one good season & now they want huge chunks of cash. Hey, Ray start getting double teamed & chipped like JA. & put up double digit sacks & you will get paid. Until then take a nice increase & quit crying. Come out & play lights out this year & teams will back up the Brinks truck for you. Vikings included.
In terms of what the other players are getting paid, yes
its too little. You can’t compare a football player’s pay to, say, a doctor’s, because they’re doing different things. And no, they aren’t just getting payed to play football. They’re ambassadors for the franchise and the league itself as well. Not to mention entertainers. So, yes, to us one million seems like a huge sum, but to athletes its not so much.
See also: the sky is blue
There is absolutely nothing new about Ray Edwards taking shortcuts rather than taking advantage of every opportunity to be the best that he can be.
The irony is that he would add to his reputation of having a poor work ethic and just collecting a paycheck in this way when the best way to disprove it is to show up to all voluntary and involuntary workouts and blow everyone away. That could earn a lot of money.
Edwards is overvalued in his mind, not the Vikings'
Ray Edwards, though having a very good postseason last year, is little more than a slightly above average defensive end. He plays with three other Pro Bowl defensive lineman, two of which get consistently double teamed every play. There is no reason that he shouldn’t have played like he did in the playoffs most of the time. I do not doubt that if Brian Robison got the start, he too would amass 8+ sacks. I would like to see what Karl Dunbar does with this Everson kid as well.
Ray will sign on June 14, and then it is all up to Ray Edwards this season. If he plays lights out, he will make us all happy garnering a big paycheck for himself and making the games more exciting for us.
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I'm sorry...
But I don’t think the best way to say you are being underpaid is to not show up to voluntary workouts. If anything, I think he should be showing up and working harder than anyone else that is there. SHOW the Vikings that they need him on that field. Work harder than he ever has. Leverage his voluntary workouts into a bigger contract. Not showing up is a cop out and laziness.
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by blackjackfishtaco on May 13, 2010 12:40 AM CDT reply actions
work outs don't mean much
It’s what he does on the field that will make the difference. If he plays like crap, then he was an idiot for missing the practices since he obviously needed them, if he plays great then his off season work out is fine.
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One problem with Ray's
extension is the CBA limits how much of a raise he can get from the vikes. so even if the vikes wanted to sign him to a long term deal, that may not be in Ray’s best interests either, because his pay can increase even more next year.
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The Myths about Ray Edwards and OTAs.
1. Ray should voluntarily come to camp.
Ray Edwards is not under contract to the Vikings. He can’t show up at camp. Only players under contract may appear. Ray is entitled to negotiate a contract until June 15, 2010. Any fan that believes he should give up his right to negotiate a long term deal before a deadline are not being fair to Ray. This is his living. Let him have the same rights as every other player.
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Edwards is overvalued in his mind, not the Vikings’
Ray Edwards had the 10th most sacks of all the DEs in the NFL last year. He beat out Brian Robison) in practice every day and earned the starting job. He believes in himself and his abilities. Other DEs have played on good NFL lines last year and in the past. They did not distinguish themselves as well as Ray. One can believe the facts or can believe that Ray is an illusion. But the 10th best DE in the league on the Vikings line is "VALUABLE>
3. Everson Griffen was drafted to put pressure on Ray.
It is very doubtful that the Vikings expected Everson Griffen to be around in round 4 of the draft. If they had planned to replace Ray in the draft they wouldn’t have waited till round 4 to do it. It is much more likely that they did what they normally do. Take the BPA. Everyone and their brother had Griffen as the BPA at the time Griffen was drafted. It is a bonus for the Vikings negotiations that they have Everson. And now that he is drafted a great training camp MIGHT make Ray expendable. But that doesn’t make Ray less valuable in terms of what his contract should be.
4. Ray is to expensive to keep
Ray is probably worth 5 Mil per year ( 15 guaranteed). The Vikings, along with every other team, saved 13 Million per team in stopping certain benefit payments under the provisions of opting out of the CBA. They will earn an additional 3-5 Million this year and every year from the Verizon live game feed contract this year. Player salaries have also been reduced. Money is not the reason Ray is unsigned. It is much more likely that the value of Ray is in dispute.
I keep beating this horse but I do not understand why Ray is not valued more by the fans. He was a 4th round pick that has worked hard and is a valuable team member. I will say this again. Elvis Dumerville is unsigned. Sean Merriman is unsigned. If you feel those two are bad teammates and not valuable members to their team, that should not be paid what they are worth, then and only then can you make the same claim about Ray Edwards.
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Ok LLV your prevaricating here a bit
Saying that Ray is 10th in the league in sacks is a bit of a misnomer. In the regular season he was tied for 18th in sacks with Tamba Hall. Now he had four more sacks in the post season but as we played a couple more games than a lot of teams out there I’m not sure it’s fair to stack that on top of his regular season total. For the post season however, he had the most sacks in the NFL.
Brian Robinson had 4.5 sacks. 4.5 sacks in the regular season. That’s half of what Ray had and I think we can all say he played much less than Ray did, maybe 10% of the time? Now Ray does play the run better than Robinson which is why he’s the starter I’m sure, but it does make you think that anyone over there could be fairly productive.
I’m not saying that Ray isn’t good, I am saying that he may or may not be brought back in 2011. Currently it looks to me that they have set up a plan to deal with a Vikings team with no Ray in it.
I know you feel strongly about this issue, you are a passionate fan who truly cares for the players on the team. I get that, however you argue your point like there is no other option, and I just can’t see that.
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LL you hit the nail on the head
Your point number 4 is the real reason nothing has been done IMHO.
He is just too expensive to sign to a long term deal with them having to give Rice & Greenway new deals this year. They certainly are not going to let their contracts expire and do the same thing they are doing with Ray.
There are some points that others are failing to recognize IMO.
The Vikings rarely have trouble extending the players they want to extend. I cannot recall the last time they had a problem with coming to an agreeable amount.
The Vikings rarely (I would say never) let a player they WANT TO KEEP hit any form of free agency.
The Vikings do extend their young up and coming players BEFORE their contracts EXPIRE like EJ & Griffen.
These I believe to be facts. It is not normal for the Vikings to operate like this.
The CBA has nothing to do with the Vikings ability to give Ray a reasonable raise while waiting for the new CBA deal to be ironed out. There are plenty of players getting new lucrative deals and the teams are not worried about the CBA. Heck, the Vikings gave Kennedy & Sapp new 2 year deals.
The Vikings can do a deal like Philly did for Kolb (2 years). I think a 2 year deal for 10 mil with 7 guaranteed will give Ray a raise and show him that they want to keep him. Their hands are tied with the 30% rule. That is the only thing that is holding them back for a longer deal.
Ray made about 1.1 mil last year so they could give him 1.430 base in 2010 and 1.859 base in 2011. The other 6.7 mil would have to be in a guaranteed bonus. That would get Ray about 10 mil for two years and would be fair.
But it looks like the Vikings have decided not to do that for various reasons which include the fact that they need to evaluate BRob further before deciding on what kind of offer they want to give him before 2011.
Remember last year.
The Vikings rarely have trouble extending the players they want to extend. I cannot recall the last time they had a problem with coming to an agreeable amount.
I’m really surprised that nobody has brought up Antoine Winfield’s situation last year. Another quality player who had one year left on his deal that decided to skip a few voluntary camps because he desired an extension. What happened in Winfield’s case is that he signed an extension on July 23/2009 that satisfied him and the team. In Edward’s case negotiations haven’t even started yet. There is still plenty of time left to address Edward’s contract and the likely starting point for negotiations will be June 15 when he signs his tender.
by CanadianViking on May 13, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
AW was a UFA and Pro Bowler
Ray is a RFA and they have had plenty of time to sign him to an extension.
Either he is asking for too much or they are not really interested in keeping him.
Now that they have Griffen it would be a surprise to me that they would extend Ray.
If they extend Ray then Griffen gets no playing time and in 3 years they have to decide what to do with him. Maybe Allen will be declining by then or Edwards is declining but it sure seems like a waste of a pick. They could have drafted Bruce Campbell who could have groomed behind McKinnie for 2 years. By then McKinnie will be 32 or 33.
IMO it seems like a done deal to me.
I hope they can trade him for another RFA out there like Jamaal Brown from the Saints.
Similar situations.
Winfield wasn’t a UFA. He had one year remaining on his contract and wanted to re-negotiate for more money and more years. Every contract situation is different but Winfield’s and Edward’s situations are similar. They both were put in the position of having a one-year deal that didn’t include enough money or security for them. This is a recent example of the Viking’s working out an extension for an unhappy player just before training camp.
Perhaps we can wait until negotiations begin before we consider Edwards gone. Drafting Griffen is nice insurance and will probably increase leverage on Edwards to take a deal when the Vikings offer him one. If Griffen outperforms Edwards in the next couple of years than Ray will be cut or traded at that point. NFL is always about recent production so Ray could get an extension now and be cut in two years time if Griffen shows enough.
by CanadianViking on May 13, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
OK. Thanks for the correction
But it still does not explain why we would draft Griffen. As a USC homer I like it. I just do not see what he will contribute with Allen, Ray, Robison, Mitchell, & Montgomery already on board. Yeah he was BPA but at some point it is overkill.
I would have liked the draft better if they had did this …
34. Taylor Mays FS USC
62. Charles Brown OT USC
93. Everson Griffen DE USC
104. Joe McKnight RB USC
161. Anthony McCoy TE USC
167. Crezdon Butler CB Clemson
199. Joe Webb WR UAB
214. Josh Pinkard FS USC
237. Jeff Byers OG/OC USC
… now that would have been a great draft for me! :)
Ha, even Carrol didn't like his players that much : )
Mays and Brown would’ve been good picks that I couldn’t argue with. I don’t love McKnight but he is fast and can catch the ball. I’m pretty sure that Griffen spells the end for Montgomery and/or Mitchell.
The main point of BPA is that you get quality players so the team has options. If things with Ray don’t work out then Robison or Griffen can step up and the team doesn’t fall off. If Ray stays and Griffen does well than we either end up with great depth or a tradeable asset. I’m with you that the OL was overlooked in the draft but I can’t fault the team for taking Griffen where he fell.
by CanadianViking on May 13, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I would have had a lot of nice jerseys!
I do not blame them for taking Griffen if they are going to move Ray.
If not, then it is confusing. But you are probably right and it was an insurance move.
I really was hoping for Bruce Campbell at that point. But he was rumored to
“look like Tarzan, play like Jane”
Holy CRAP
only two people NOT from the USC on that list.. HAHA
talk about a homer
There were not any more that were reasonable
Although I did consider a couple of the Troy Trojans players.
Gotta like that name right ? :)
A matter of finding the right numbers for Ray
I keep beating this horse but I do not understand why Ray is not valued more by the fans. He was a 4th round pick that has worked hard and is a valuable team member.
Well…. I like Ray Edwards quite a bit, but then, I’m a fan of some of the less popular players on the team (like Benny Sapp!!). So that’s one :)
The thing is, I totally understand the Vikings being concerned about his work ethic. Did he step up because it was contract time, and does that mean that after he has a new contract, he’ll slack off? I would think, however, that his coaches know that answer and the Vikings will get the right job done.
It wouldn’t be right to deprive the opposing QBs of the sight of Ray Edwards flying through the air towards their heads.
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Your'e right lifelong.
Ray is worth more than he is currently being paid. Players all over the league are underpaid. If Ray can put up a better season than last year you know teams will be looking to pay him. When you prove yourself in this league you will get paid. Do your talking on the field this season & the Vikes or some other team will make sure that money will be the least of your worries.
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than I did when I read this.
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If Ray fails to sign
the tender offer of 2.5 Mil automatically goes to 110% of his last years salary. ($1.1 Million). If Ray doesn’t sign that offer than he can’t play football for one year. He has until the 1oth game of the season, I think, to sign the offer. As you can see if they can’t come to a long term extension soon then Ray will be forced to sign or lose 1.5 Million dollars.
Grime, I might be prevaricating but here is the DE sack list for 2009 according to Pro-Football reference .com
# of Sacks in 2009
1. Jared Allen 14.5
2 Dwight Freeney 13.5
3 Will Smith 13.0
4 Trent Cole 12.5
5 Andre Carter 11.0
6 Julius Peppers 10.5
7 Aaron Schobel 10.0
8 Robert Mathis 9.5
9 Mario Williams 9
10 Ray Edwards 8.5
I am not arguing that the Vikes can’t let him go or trade him. I am simply pointing out the facts. Which indicate to me that it would make no sense to Not have him on our team for years to come. I believe the Vikes see the facts and have always planned on him being here for quite awhile.
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by lifelongvike on May 13, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Weird when I looked at it on NFL.com
it had him at 18 during the regular season. His four sacks in post season definitely helped. Odd I don’t see Ware on that list either. Who knows.
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Both lists are right.
LLV’s list only shows DEs while the NFL.com lists players at any position like OLBs who get all the sacks in 3-4 schemes. His list doesn’t include Dumervil, Woodley, or Ware for example.
by CanadianViking on May 13, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I maybe wrong>>>>
But a contract is a contract. He signed a contract when he was drafted that stated the what for’s and what if’s. One, when he signed his rookie contract, the labor agreement in place at the time would allow him to become an unrestricted free agent after his fourth season…unless the labor contract got voided, which it did.
So he would have known that going in, and where else can you get 2.5 million to play a game!! I understand that it is a brutal sport where you can start the first minute, and be done in the 2nd minute, but it is a game, what about policemen,firefighter and other professions that really offer the same senerio, go to work in the morning and instead of blowing out your knee, you get shot and DIE!! These men and women dont get millions of dollars, and put there lives on the line EVERDAY. He is under contract oto play, so play and prove that you are worth what you want!!
He is not under contract until he signs the tender
The Vikings only own his rights.
He can chose to not sign and sit out until the 10th week of the season if he wants.
The Vikings may chose to reduce the offer to 110% of his 2009 salary but I it is not automatic. Here is what I found …
If a Restricted Free Agent is tendered by his team and he doesn’t sign that tender what does that mean? What is his status?
For the 90 RFAs who have not signed contracts as of April 15, the original clubs retain exclusive rights to sign the player. All RFAs can sign by June 1 the contract their original club tendered before March 5 — the first day of the 2010 league year. (Click here for a complete list of RFA tender offers.) If a player does not sign by June 1, the original club can extend the qualifying offer and thereby retain exclusive rights to the player.
If the original qualifying offer is greater than 110 percent of the player’s 2009 base salary and the player does not sign that contract by June 15, the team can substitute the June 1 tender with a new June 15th tender of 110 percent of the RFA’s 2009 base salary and continue to retain exclusive rights to the player. If the player does not sign by Week 10, he cannot play in 2010.
So the Vikings can still leave the 2.5 mil on the table after June 15th. If Edwards signs it they still can take it back before the opening day of the season too.
It could be that Ray may sit out. He can get a career ending injury at any point. He works out pretty well on his own so resting a year cannot hurt him that much. It would be just like if he had an injury without the injury. He will be fresh in 2011. He just will not get any money this year. But you can best believe there will be teams who will want him in 2011.
I believe that he has to seriously consider this strategy. If he does hold out it would seem that the Vikings will probably trade him to the highest bidder.
Starved for some news
Man – There is really nothing going on is there? no word of Henderson or Haynsworth? I guess I was spoiled with all of the off season movement ove rthe las t few years, this year has been really boring.
As I quickly thought...
We have a pretty similar off-season to last year
Instead of Winfield looking to get an extension or negotiations, it is Ray Edwards.
*Instead of wondering if Favre will joined the Vikings, we sit here wondering if he’ll return.
The Williams Wall is still having an on-going debate/issue over the StarCaps, will they or won’t they play?
*The Vikings passed on LT like last year’s Dagodmadesh or whatever his name is, haha.. This year in that place they drafter Toby Gerhart. Last year we got P. Harvin
Off-seasons from this year in comparisson to last years seems somewhat similar.. Just different names and different times..
Deek
Yeah pretty similar. I guess I am tired of the Starcaps story, Farve story, I like Gherhart but I have yet to consider him a Harvin ( potential game breaker) but that can change. I would love to see Gerhart or the converted receiver from QB ( can;t remember his name // Lee? if they got OROY that would be great for the Vikes! wishful thinking yese, but with Farve anything is possible.
Thanks for the reply!
Your thinking of Webb
With his huge Webb like-hands… I guess their huge. Can’t wait to see what he can do on the field.
Gerhart…. A nice little twist.. Like a Chocolate Vanilla twist..
Maybe they can add a play called the Chocolate Vanilla twist where both AP & Gerhart are in the back-field.. HAHA
That's what I'm mostly excited for.
Webb and Gerhart.
I’m hoping Webb bunks with #18 in training camp, and becomes the steal of the entire draft. With Webb’s dimensions and speed, I’m surprised he went so late. any reason why?
The big picture .
1. Looks at Pitts & Hanesworth shows the desire to win .
2.Will there be a backup QB trade with Brett’s recovery time ?
3.Adrian & Sidney need extended .
4. Stay healthy and out of trouble to all players this off season .
5.See what the Wall Appeal Brings with it ?
6.See what next years collective bargaining brings ?
7. Give Ray communication on his part in 2010 run to a Superbowl .
There are a lot of factors . The article was well presented . As you see Grimes LLV was correct again on two very important points . A. #10 for DE’s last year and more importantly B. 4 sacks in the playoffs . This production can’t be overlooked . Again LLV makes the most relivant point . He has until my birthday to do the deal . Put aside the fanatical banter and let the man do his business . The triangle can’t let Ray leave with his progression and still be competitive . Ray knows he has them over a barrell with the Wall matter . If you sat in his shoes you would undoubtably tell your wife ,sorry babe I’m a vike and I’m going to play for free . That’s why you type and pay to watch !!! Chilly didn’t sound angry . He has always held players accountable for staying healthy and hungry …………..
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