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Judge Rules Williams Wall Must Serve Garbage Four-Game Suspension

The first paragraph of the Star-Tribune's story says it all:

Minnesota Vikings Kevin and Pat Williams may be forced to serve four-game suspensions even though the NFL is their employer and violated their rights under state labor laws, Hennepin County Judge Gary Larson ruled Thursday.

Yes. . .only when dealing with the National Football League can an entity be found to be in violation of an individual's rights, and yet all of the punishment goes to two individuals whose only "crime," such as it is, was trying to cut weight.

Larson even stated that the National Football League, led by NFL vice president for labor and law Lionel Hutz Adolpho Birch, knowingly did the wrong thing as it pertains to StarCaps containing bumetanide, a banned diuretic.

Star-divide

Larson determined that NFL drug policy administrators knew of positive tests among players for Bumetanide in 2005 and 2006 and linked the substance to StarCaps. Larson found that Adolpho Birch, NFL vice president for law and labor policy, had been warned by NFL drug policy administrators that StarCaps contained a "secret" banned substance, Bumetanide.

But Birch made a "conscious decision" not to inform the federal Food and Drug Administration or any other agency. He also declined to disclose the presence of the substance to teams or players, Larson said.

Before 2007, players who tested positive for Bumetanide weren't disciplined. Birch, however, then directed drug administrators to start disciplining players who tested positive for Bumetanide even though he knew their use of it was inadvertent, Larson wrote.

"Birch was playing a game of gotcha," the judge said.

So, let it be known throughout the land. . .the NFL will control the flow of information.  They control the horizontal, and they control the vertical.  And if anything should happen to you as a result of the NFL's control of information flow. . .even up to and including something like a minor case of falling over dead, well screw you, because that's your own damn fault.  The NFL doesn't give a damn about you as a player, unless they're still in the process of bleeding you dry.

What an absolute travesty this ruling is. . .the NFL was wrong, the judge freaking said that the NFL was wrong, and yet the only people that are being punished are Pat and Kevin Williams (and Will Smith of the Saints, and Charles Grant, who is currently unsigned).

This sets a fine precedent. . .maybe someday the NFL will get what they obviously want and have another NFL player end up like Korey Stringer because of their desire to play, as Judge Larson said, "gotcha" games with their players.  That's obviously more important to Roger Goodell and company than player safety.

The Williams Wall will, obviously, appeal the case, and there will be a hearing at 2 PM to keep a restraining order in place that will allow Kevin and Pat Williams to play pending their appeals.  We'll have more on that after it happens.

In conclusion. . .what a joke.  What a freaking joke.

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This is what I had expected

The NFL and MLB have both lost players who abused energy and/or weight loss supplements in the heat. The NFL has stepped up enforcement of this sort of thing because of Stringer’s death.

Any reputable doctor will advise against supplements for quick weight loss and will answer that any sort of quick weight loss is not good for the body. A reputable doctor will always recommend USDA approved substances over unregulated supplements which, by their nature, do not meet federal safety standards.

Taking water pills to temporarily make a weight which generates a bonus and/or prevents a cut is fraud.

Here is a full article from the AP:

Minn. judge sides with NFL in StarCaps case
By STEVE KARNOWSKI (AP) – 53 minutes ago

MINNEAPOLIS — A Minnesota judge handed the NFL victory Thursday in a closely watched lawsuit by two Minnesota Vikings challenging their four-game suspensions for violating the league anti-doping policy.

Hennepin County District Judge Gary Larson said the league broke state law in applying its drug policy, but that wasn’t enough to block the punishment.

The decision doesn’t necessarily clear the way for the NFL to suspend Kevin Williams and Pat Williams, and their lawyer claimed victory. The judge scheduled a Thursday afternoon hearing on whether to grant a temporary injunction pending the players’ appeal.

The NFL first attempted to suspend the defensive tackles in December 2008 after they tested positive for a banned diuretic that was in the StarCaps weight-loss supplement they were taking. They were not accused of taking steroids.

The players challenged their suspensions while their lawsuit played out through numerous twists and turns in federal and state court. They got to play for the entire 2009 season, helping Minnesota reach the NFC championship game, where they lost to eventual Super Bowl winner New Orleans.

Larson ruled that the NFL violated a three-day notice requirement under a state law governing drug testing in the workplace, but that the players weren’t harmed by it. He also ruled that the Williamses had failed to prove that the NFL violated the law’s confidentiality provision by leaking word of the positive drug tests. He denied their requests for a permanent injunction to block the suspensions.

The Williamses’ attorney, Peter Ginsberg, said the decision was a victory in that the judge ruled that the NFL was an employer of the players, violated the state law and must abide by it.

“The results are decidedly mixed,” he said. “All NFL players and the state of Minnesota have gained an important victory. No employer can stand above the law, including the NFL. We are obviously disappointed that, despite violating Kevin and Pat’s rights, the NFL still is threatening to suspend them. Kevin and Pat should be admired for the battle that they waged, not only for all NFL players but for all employees throughout the state of Minnesota.”

The Associated Press left messages with spokesmen for the NFL and the Vikings seeking comment.

If the NFL is ultimately allowed to impose punishment at the start of the upcoming season, the Vikings would be without the heart of their stout run defense for a quarter of the season. It wasn’t immediately clear, however, how long the appeals process might take.

Major League Baseball, the National Basketball Association and the National Hockey League all filed briefs in support of the NFL’s position. The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency filed a similar motion on its own.

The NFL and the other leagues argued that their own collectively bargained drug-testing programs would be at risk if state-level challenges like the Williamses were allowed to proceed. USADA argued that uniform rules are needed “to ensure a level playing field.”

The case dates to October 2008, when news leaked that several NFL players, including the Williamses, had tested positive for the diuretic bumetanide, which the NFL has banned because it can mask the presence of steroids.

The Williamses acknowledged taking the weight-loss supplement StarCaps the night before a weigh-in during training camp. StarCaps contained bumetanide but did not list it as an ingredient on the label. The players testified they would not have taken StarCaps if they had known it contained the banned drug.

One of the key issues in the trial was whether the Williamses, who are not related, were employees of the Vikings, the NFL or both, as they contended during the trial. The NFL had argued that they were Vikings employees only, so the league wasn’t subject to the state law. Larson disagreed, calling the NFL a “joint employer.”

It emerged in earlier proceedings that NFL officials had known that StarCaps contained bumetanide, but chose not to disclose that to players.

The NFL’s no-tolerance policy holds players responsible for knowing what they put into their bodies. While that was a key issue at earlier stages of the case, it wasn’t much of a legal factor by the time it finally went to trial before Larson on the narrower issues of notification and confidentiality.

AP Sports Writer Jon Krawczynski contributed to this report.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

by KC Viking on May 6, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions  

What a bunch of crap!!!!

The NFL is generally a great organization, but in this case their credibility is going to take a major hit. I feel for the players involved, unless I’m wrong about them and they are trying to pull the wool over our eyes. I don’t think so, though.

I feel for Vikings players and coaches, and for the fans who have not really had tons of positive news this off-season. The stadium issue, the Brett Favre ongoing drama, lack of exciting FA signings…. it just seems to keep getting more and more depressing – at least from my perspective. Something good just has to happen soon, I hope. Longtime, loyal fans like myself just want to feel a sense of optimism heading into each year, and right now… that is tough to muster.

by misterdizz on May 6, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

The Williams' did

cheat Zigi out of some $$$ by taking StarCaps to shed water weight and get their bonus for making weight. I wonder if Zigi was pissed about this?

by KC612 on May 6, 2010 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

doubtful

Nobody knew that Star Caps contained the illegal ingriedient “Bumetanide”…Well nobody except for the NFL anyway….
It’s a total set-up. The Williams, the Vikings, and everyone else invoved are getting screwed here.

If you need me, I’ll be in front of Goodels house throwing eggs. :)

by chaosg on May 7, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Williams stated themselves

that they were taking StarCaps to lose water weight which was against the language in their contracts regarding bonuses for making weight.

by KC612 on May 7, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn’t realize that was in their contracts, but I’m sure the Willfs are more disappointed with the NFL than they are the Williams.
Especially after finding out that the NFL knew about the hidden ingredient Bumetanide in Star Caps, and instead of the NFL educating it’s players about Star Caps, they used it as bait to bust and $fine it’s players…..I really can’t believe that the NFL isn’t in trouble for doing that. They’re lucky nobody got hurt.

by chaosg on May 7, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is a bunch of bullshit (pardon my language)

The Judge should just throw this case out…it’s dragged on way too damn long.

by TonyO on May 6, 2010 12:28 PM CDT reply actions  

"... its dragged on way too damn long."

Both sides are to blame for that.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 6, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't blame both sides

The NFL is trying to avoid a bad precedent and having players try to hide from suspensions under favorable state laws. In today’s day and age that could be bad with players maintaining homes in states where the laws would be favorable and try to bring suit whenever there is a controversy.

by PackApologist on May 7, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

??

By saying the league broke state law, isn’t he saying they can suspend them WITH PAY. He’s saying the CBA does in fact give them the authority over all players in the league. If suspended without pay wouldn’t they easily be able to sue for lost compensation in Mn. court. If they broke Mn. law, as the judge clearly states, they would win. ??

by Duluth Viking on May 6, 2010 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

The real question is where is the NFLPA?

They have not chimed in on either side if I recall correctly.

I think the players may be able to sue Dr. Birch & the NFL for a violation of their civil rights or something like that because they knew a product was tainted and potentially dangerous and did nothing to warn players.

Even though they have not been harmed physically yet, whose to say if some other product comes along that the NFL will divulge the specifics.

I would serve the suspensions and then sue the NFL & Dr. Birch in civil court to get back their lost pay, lawyer fess, and for damages for failing to disclose information about a potentially dangerous product.

If they file their case in Minnesota they would almost be certain to win a jury trial (unless some of those jurists also did not give a rats arse about the stadium issue).

Of course I am no lawyer so I may not know what the hell I am talking about.

by MarkSP18 on May 6, 2010 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

NFLPA

has offered support of the Williams’ in a limited fashion. They’ve made a couple statements in the past that supported portions of their case but not all. The NFLPA in my opinion was more interested in the joint employer portion of the case as it has strong implications to the upcoming CBA. The NFLPA only supported the Wiliams’ case when it coincided with their CBA goals but didn’t bother to support them when other parts of their case weakened their bargaining position. Basically the NFLPA took a page out of the NFL’s book and tried to get it both ways while leaving a couple of their members to twist in the wind.

by CanadianViking on May 6, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't That Proof

that DeMaurice Smith doesn’t care about members of the NFLPA. They should all beat him up.

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on May 7, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

failing to disclose information about a potentially dangerous product.

The NFL has been training their players very extensively about the dangers of supplements. It is dangerous to use supplements and impossible to warn of their possible contents at any given time due to their unregulated nature.

Players always have the option of sticking with FDA approved substances which are allowed by the NFL’s substance abuse policy.

This may as well be the case of 2 college students who didn’t study until the last minute, copied a bunch of bad info from the internet (and not scholarly sources at that) the night before the exam and sued the college/uni for a failing grade even though they knew that plaigiarism was wrong.

by KC Viking on May 6, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is true

But when the NFL does know of a specific product then they should give full disclosure and specifically state to not take the product.

In the broad view the NFL does cover the bases on supplements but when they know of a specific product then it is their duty to divulge that information to the players IMO.

by MarkSP18 on May 6, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Supplements

can and do change ingredients without full disclosure. The NFL can never endorse a supplement because its manufacturer could add anything to it without the least bit of responsibility. They can’t really list all bad supplements, esp. any which do not disclose the banned substance, either, or else the NFL could be sued by the manufacturer.

Like it or not, it is the players’ responsibility to a) get to said weight for real and b) consider the risks and possible consequences very carefully as well as accept any that come along from using any sort of supplement(s).

by KC Viking on May 6, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two VERY important things this ruling did

First off, and this was kind of being done all along, but I feel this severely damaged the leagues position when it comes to negotiating a new CBA over the next year. This “game of gotcha” especially will create deeper trust issues between a union of players and their employees. Which brings me to point two…

Namely, I see this hurting their antitrust lawsuit that is currently being reviewed by the Supreme Court. The NFL has been deemed a joint employer of the Vikings players. I don’t know a ton about law, admittedly, but my understanding is that is going to hurt the NFL’s position in their other case.

by Cobra312004 on May 6, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

You are speaking about the "American Needle" case.

American Needle made hats with the NFL logo on them. They were licensed by each team. The NFL negotiated an exclusive apparel contract with Rebok. American Needle claims that the NFL’s actions as a league has constrained trade in violation of “restraint of trade laws”. NFL claims they are one entity and not 32 separate businesses for purposes of marketing.
  I don’t know a lot about the law either but in reading on this it is pretty apparent that no Minnesota State Judge will determine the law for the Supreme Court of the United States. The Local Judges decision is not binding on the highest court in the land.
But I truly don’t think it is the same issue either. The fact that the NFL and the Vikings were joint employers has little to do with whether the NFL and its 32 teams are one entity for marketing purposes.

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by lifelongvike on May 6, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lets look at the lines of corruption .

1. A weak paid off Union agreed to this policy that didn’t follow basic laws .
2. The NFL admitted to 3/yrs prior knowledge of an illegally run company .
3. The NFL drove that company into bankruptsy to serve it’s purposes .
4. The NFL had it’s doctors set up these players with the sole purpose of furthering
          their goal of pretending to run a model company .
5. The NFL ordered their doctors to lie .
6. The NFL ignored the doctors recommendations .
7. The NFL forced the lead doctor to abandon his ruling to serve their lawsuit .
8. The NFL made it a clear black/white issue in allowing lesser paid white players out
         or the punishments . They said they can pick and choose who they punish .
9. The NFL stated if they lose they will force it to the Supreme Court . Bullying ?
10. It was the NFL’s illegal contract with *caps that caused this .
11. They placed the two toughest games away , and televised in the face of all 32
       teams to show what that shield of corruption stands for afterall .
12. They will impliment heavy enough fines to recoop their lawyer fees just to be sued
           at a later date .
13. I won’t pay to see the first four corrupt games and this poor judgement will cost the
           NFL with a shut out year coming up .The NFL will never run like baseball !!!!
           Birch told the NFL that he oked the perscriptions while in front of the judge . What
           more can one do while working for corrupt scum ……………..

by gothicpurple on May 6, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Please.

Why is that everyone who takes an (arguably) adverse ruling says it’s the result of corruption? It’s not even a complete loss, for crying out loud.

And saying you’ll appeal a case to the supreme court isn’t bullying, it’s exercising your rights. Just like it would be if the Williams manage to get a temporary injunction on the suspension pending appeal.

The NFL is being deservedly ripped on this site and in the opinion for withholding information that may have prevented the Williams from ingesting the substance in the first place. The argument that they withheld that information because they wanted to catch those who were using StarCaps to cleanse their system of steroids doesn’t justify endangering a player’s health.

The “paid off” union (the one that’s currently standing up to the NFL), didn’t knowingly enter into a CBA that violated Minnesota law, they thought Minnesota law didn’t apply to the CBA, which is exactly what the NFL argued in trying to convince the court (unsuccessfully) that the league wasn’t the players employee. That’s not corruption, it’s a legitimate difference of opinion and one held by virtually every major sport and corporation that operates franchises.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 6, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, at least there's one thing we Saints fans can agree with Vikings fans about

This blows! None of these players deserve four game suspensions over this when the league has so much fault in it. Yes, it was bad judgment for these players to resort to a supplement to shed pounds quickly, but does that warrant a blanket suspension the likes of which a steroid user would also get? My biggest problem with all of this is that this “one size fits all” suspension policy regarding drug testing is a lazy, unfair approach by the league. For something like this where players ingested a banned substance not listed on an over-the-counter supplement and was approved by the league not too long before when Deuce McAllister submitted it for testing and use in 2006, a four game suspension is completely unjust. I hope Goodell burns in Hell!

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by David "Satch" Kelly on May 6, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree with everything you say.

The saddest part of this may be that Deuce’s career was essentially ended by this mess. One of my best friends is a long time Saint’s fan who was a big Deuce supporter and I had quite a bit of respect for Deuce myself. The main problem I have with Goodell is that he has the power to make up the rules as he goes along. Between the personal conduct policy and the steroid policy he can essentially suspend anyone without opposition. I agree with the principles of both these policies but the enforcement of both of them is way too inconsistent for my taste.

by CanadianViking on May 6, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN will treat the NFL like the Pope . They will be reminded who really pays dabills.

Who ever said these games are choosen randomly was full of crap . Like everything else in life the NFL has lost all credibility for it’s corrupt ways . The NFL is using these two teams to serve it’s political ambitions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by gothicpurple on May 6, 2010 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Does the NFL really want to start the year on such a negative note .

Why would Brett or anyone in purple care to play ? Dark days ahead my comrades , dark days indeed !!!!!!!!!!!!!

by gothicpurple on May 6, 2010 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

It Ain't Necessarily So

If one reads only the headlines, one might conclude the NFL won its case. Upon further review, it ain’t necessarily so.

First off, let’s cut to the chase: the judge’s conclusion:

“Based on Minnesota law and the facts adduced at trial, Defendant is Plaintiffs‟ employer for purposes of DATWA. Defendant violated DATWA‟s three-day notice requirement. Defendant‟s drug testing notice policy did not meet or exceed DATWA. However, Plaintiffs admitted that they did not suffer any harm from the delay in notice. Plaintiffs, therefore, may not recover for Defendant‟s violation. Plaintiffs failed to prove that Defendant violated DATWA‟s confidentiality provision. Plaintiffs‟ request for a permanent injunction is denied and this Court‟s previous temporary injunction is dissolved.”

So, we see the judge ruled that Pat and Kevin said they were not harmed by the NFL’s violation of Minnesota law with regard to the three-day notification period that its law requires, so no blood, no foul. (One might erroneously conclude from this that no act of honesty goes unpunished.) The judge also declared that Pat and Kev failed to prove through a preponderance of the evidence that it was the NFL which leaked the results of the drug tests, in violation of the NFL drug policy.

Since the judge is not responsible for using psychic powers to determine who leaked the test results and the NFL does not have to prove that it did not leak the results, and because Pat and Kev are indeed required by a drug policy previously negotiated between their union and the NFL to have almost psychic powers in order to analyze everything which they take by mouth to completely avert being suspended by the league to the same degree as those players have been caught actually doing steriods by the carload, the NFL skates merrily onward and is free to suspend Pat and Kev, because Pat and Kev have joined a sports circus where such are the established rules, and they have done so of their own free wills.

But the rules established of today are not eternal, and the judge was not very fond of how the NFL behaved.

Reading futher in his ruling, the Judge has assigned the NFL a few verbal punishments via the light of due process.

Here are his “kind” words regarding Roger Goodell:

“The Court does conclude, however, that the media leak was clearly of no importance to the NFL Commissioner, as he did nothing to determine that the NFL did not violate DATWA‟s confidentiality provision. The Commissioner did not conduct an investigation or make any inquiries into the matter.”

And here is the loving portrait his honor paints of NFL Vice President of Law and Labor Policy, Adolfo BIrch:

“Birch conducted a very brief investigation on his own concerning the leak. Birch concluded that no one from the NFL was involved in the leak, contrary to the newspaper reporter‟s assertion.” “Birch‟s single-handed investigation is highly suspect.”

With regard to the alleged “Independent Administrator”, Dr. John Lombardo, and how the NFL administered the drug policy after the NFL had learned that Bumetanide was illegally contained in StarCaps, the judge declared:

Birch "directed Lombardo to report any future players for discipline who tested positive for Bumetanide, even though their use thereof was inadvertent. Birch was playing a game of ‘gotcha.’ " Also, the judge said that “Birch usurped Lombardo‟s authority in deciding who to refer for discipline.”

Well, I guess there’s independent adminstration and then there is NFL-style independent administration.
 
What goes around comes around. The NFL by this decision is indeed subject to Minnesota law, even if that law and a dollar will leave you short at the register at Starbucks.

The NFL still has to deal with the NFLPA if there is to be a future NFL after 2011. The NFLPA has some ammunition that the NFL was not really acting in the players’ medical interests in its enforcement of the drug policy; it was instead playing CYA and Gotcha.

Time will tell, but my hunch is 2011 is going to be a barn burner.

by Elgar on May 6, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

That about sums it up.

And you didn’t even have to get all hyperbolic and suggest that the NFL was hoping its players would start dying, as Mr. Gates did, in order to criticize the league’s position.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 6, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roger Goodell

Doesn’t give a damn about the players that take the field in the National Football League. He cares only for his ability to suck them dry.

The decision by him and his staff to withhold this information from the NFL and its players is as solid a reinforcement of that position as I can think of.

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by Christopher Gates on May 6, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

But not a solid reinforcement of the position that...

… the NFL wants another player to end up like Korey Stringer? As you said in your article on the decision? I’m not saying you’re wrong to be upset and the criticism of the NFL’s decision to withhold the information that StarCaps contained a banned substance is completely justified, but that comment was ridiculous and shouldn’t have been made. Not even in an attempt to use hyperbole to demonstrate the danger they were putting their players in.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 7, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because I honestly think

That Roger Goodell wouldn’t give a damn if that happened, either. Not one bit. He and his staff would have an excuse for it, just like they do for the rest of this garbage.

If they didn’t want another player to end up like that, they wouldn’t take the actions they have. They obviously don’t care if it happens.

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by Christopher Gates on May 7, 2010 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's insane.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 7, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Phat One

Should sit for 6 if the vikings come out of the gates winning. Going to need him at full strength come playoffs. We’ll also find out exactly what we have in Jimmy K, Fred Evans and Leroy G. Robinson will probably play some DT in passing situations. Poor Brinkley going to have his hands full.

by Spartan99 on May 6, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

So selfish

The team didn’t need them as badly at the end of ’08 as they are needed now.

Hey, here’s an idea: Show up at the proper effing weight for real as a result of working in the offseason, for which you are paid very well to do.

Millionaire crybabies are never going to have my sympathy.

by KC Viking on May 6, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Easy for you to say

They will lose real salary with any suspensions. And KWill would have loss a lot more at eh end of ’08. PWill will lose about the same 1 mil but that is nothing to sneeze at.

When KWill is suspended this year he will lose about 400K in salary.

I would have fought it all the way too. Screw the team. the team will release you with an injury settlement if you have a career ending injury and it wont be for what you have left on your contract.

Always nice to tell others what they should do with their money and why they should do it.

Who is being selfish here?

by MarkSP18 on May 6, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not telling them what to do with their money.

I’m suggesting that they do their jobs as PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES by, you know, working to stay at their playing weights. Otherwise, they are not entitled to that money. That’s what their contracts say, and they signed those contracts willingly.

by KC Viking on May 6, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Freakin' morons

Goodell will probably make it for the 4 weeks in October, following the bye week. This is the Vikings toughest 4 game stretch of the season:

Jets, Cowboys, Packers, and Patriots. All of those are away games except Dallas.

This will be Goodell’s “don’t screw with me” statement.

I still think its bull crap, and I hope the Williams duo takes another year appealing this one. This is probably Pat’s last year anyway.

SKOL!!!!!!!!!!!

by Brent Foster on May 6, 2010 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Uhh no

if it’s going to happen it will probably be to start off the season.

by Frost on May 8, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do they mean by Garbage?

Garbage 4-game suspensions????

Do the games have to be consecutively?
Can the Williams pick & choose which games to sit out?

If I had it my way, I would rather see it be games in December..

Preferrably when we play the Redskins, Lions, etc.

I would like to know what they mean though, by Garbage Games..

by Deek on May 6, 2010 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

If Goodell gets his way,

the suspensions will be immediate. It’ll be during weeks 1-4 to start off the season. He wanted them all suspended the first four weeks of last season, but had to wait due to the appeals of the Williams Wall. There won’t be a possibility for delaying them.

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by David "Satch" Kelly on May 6, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully pre-season.;)

by CaptainBryan on May 6, 2010 6:26 PM CDT reply actions  

lets just get it over with

ok so pat & kevin had their day in court and i imagine there will be appeals … they took their stand and then were granted due process … lets move on … serve the four games and get back and take it out on the cheeseheads (lol) … whatcha ya all gonna think when the purple whip the saints in the superdome without pat and kevin … home then against the lions and the dolphins (remember 9 – 0 in ’09 at home) then a bye and at the jets for a tough one … vikes could still be 4 – 0 when pat and kevin get back for the goatropers week 6 for-cryin-out-loud … i do not think i would like to be a cowboy o-lineman that day … pat and kevin will be ready to eat guards and centers for lunch by then … not to mention what they will do to the newest artful-dodger-romo … then it will be a run to the playoffs … go vikes … cant wait

MGR4FUN

by MGR4FUN on May 7, 2010 6:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Adolpho Birch is the asshole here.

Why doesn’t he get reprimanded for withholding information from players? That’s bullshit.

by belairjeff on May 7, 2010 7:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Okay so. . .

Albert Haynesworth amirite?! He’ll replace Phat Pat next year, and then we’ll have a crazy-good D-Line… Assuming Haynesworth will actually want to play.

by Frost on May 8, 2010 6:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Not a complete loss

And it can still be appealed, all the way up to the State Supreme Court. I don’t think Larson wanted to be the guy that completely invalidated every major sports league drug testing policy, so he gave the players a hollow victory, with an opportunity for a higher court to hear the case and determine whether or not a state drug testing policy supercedes a collectively bargained agreement.

It would be a huge, precedent setting case, to be sure.

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by Ted Glover on May 8, 2010 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

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