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Gonzo Reads the First NFL Preview Mag of the Year, and Is Thoroughly Confused

Well, folks, it's the day after Memorial Day, which obviously means that it's time for the first NFL preview issue of the year to hit the newsstands.  Actually, I picked up Yahoo! Sports' NFL preview issue yesterday at my friendly local Wal-Mart, but I didn't want to detract from the Memorial Day post or anything else, so I held off on it until today.

But I'm not confused about the fact that the first preview issue of the year is already available for perusal. . .heck, I've been lamenting such things for as long as this site has been around.  What I'm confused by is some of the material that is contained within, and specifically that which pertains to the NFC North.  Not surprised, mind you, because the end result is the Minnesota Vikings getting disrespected once again, but still a bit confused none the less.  Hit the jump, and I will detail my confusion for you.

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The good people at Yahoo! Sports rank every team in eight specific categories, four for the offense and four for defense and special teams.  The following table shows a breakdown of the NFC teams at each of those spots, along with a "GPA" for the overall grade at the end.

Minnesota Vikings Green Bay Packers Chicago Bears Detroit Lions
Quarterback A- (3.7) A- (3.7) B- (2.7) C+ (2.3)
Running Back A (4.0) B- (2.7) B (3.0) C (2.0)
Receivers/Tight Ends A- (3.7) A- (3.7) C+ (2.3) B (3.0)
Offensive Line B (3.0) C+ (2.3) C (2.0) C- (1.7)
Defensive Line A (4.0) B+ (3.3) B+ (3.3) B (3.0)
Linebackers B (3.0) B+ (3.3) B (3.0) C- (1.7)
Secondary C+ (2.3) A (4.0) C (2.0) D (1.0)
Special Teams B (3.0) C- (1.7) A- (3.7) C+ (2.3)
Overall GPA 3.3 (B+) 3.1 (B+/B range) 2.8 (B/B- range) 2.1 (C+/C range)

 

Now, of these four teams. . .

One of them is predicted to go 6-10 as their long, painful rebuilding process gets a little shorter and, in all likelihood, a lot less painful.

One of them is expected to go 9-7 and finish just on the outside looking in at a playoff berth.

One is projected to go 11-5, good enough for the second-best record in the NFC (third-best in the entire NFL). . .and, unfortunately, only a wild-card berth, because. . .

One is predicted to go 13-3, finishing with the best record in the entire National Football League, and triumph over the Indianapolis Colts in the Super Bowl.

Just for fun. . .take a minute and see if you can't match up those four descriptions with the four teams in the NFC North.  Go ahead. . .I'll wait.

waits

waits

waits

Okay, time's up!

The 6-10 team with the long, drawn out rebuilding process is the Detroit Lions.  I'm guessing most of you got that one right without really straining your brains.

The 9-7 team that comes up just short is the Chicago Bears.  I'll assume that most of you nailed that one, too.

So, that leaves the Packers and the Vikings for the positions of 13-3 (projected) Super Bowl champion, and 11-5 NFC North runner-up.  Now, you would think that, based on the above table, since the Vikings grade out better than the Packers overall and haven't lost any significant ground to the Packers or to any other team in the NFC North during the off-season, that they would match up with the former description rather than the latter.

Yes, you'd certainly think that.

Unfortunately, you'd be wrong.  In something that I can't quite wrap my (admittedly) purple-shaded mind around, the good folks at Yahoo! are picking a team that, through their own grades, they perceive as not being as good as the Minnesota Vikings to not only be two games better than Minnesota in the regular season, but to win the Super Bowl as well.

Confused?  Believe me. . .it's not just you.  In the immortal words of one Ricky Ricardo. . .Yahoo! got some 'splainin' to do.

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Must be their strength of schedule

Why else would the widely respected Yahoo! Sports Dept. ignore their own rankings. Unless they like the color green.

As for the projected playoff success. Must be their playoff tested QB versus our novice … oops!, that don’t work either.

by Odin on Jun 1, 2010 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Strength of Schedule

I would say it would also be something intangible like passion and giving 110% and all that BS, but Vikes have just as much of that as anyone.

Factor in luck and our curse and I could see where these guys are coming from. Still a bunch of bull imo, but hey, the Vikes have been taking it on the chin from sports writers for years.

by StuckInCA on Jun 1, 2010 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

The curse

 I know you’re all excited to see the season play out. Cause after all it’s the journey not the destination that makes it so fun. But seriously guys, would you bet on the Vikings knowing how cursed they are? I’ve learned my lesson there a bajillion times.

I cannot explain them and I don’t even believe in them in any other context. But curses (and blessings) in sports have to be taken into consideration.

by Jayrome007 on Jun 1, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've felt that way in the past

but let’s face it. Something has always been missing. The worst trade ever happened due to an inability to build a sound running game in house for years. Most of the Denny Green era had no defense, especially against the pass. The Tice years relied on a RBBC, Jermaine Wiggins and a wild bunch which may have spent more energy partying. The Childress era has been stymied by no QB at first, predictability and a poor pass defense for the past 3 years.

by KC Viking on Jun 1, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Preview mags always look for a story.

They rarely like to take the rational approach and pick the best teams from previous years to be the best again. The second place team is always pumped up for the next year and the gap between the division winner and their challengers is always being narrowed in sports writers view whether it’s factual or not.

I haven’t read this magazine yet but I’d venture a guess that at least 3-4 of last years division winners will be predicted to be wild-card teams or worse. Knowing the NFL this could end up being true but it will be the teams that few predicted that will drop back or rise up.

by CanadianViking on Jun 1, 2010 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, without giving away too much. . .

AFC Playoff teams:

San Diego (12-4, AFC West winner)
Indianapolis (11-5, AFC South winner)
Baltimore (11-5, AFC North winner)
New York Jets (10-6, AFC East winner)
New England (10-6, wild card)
Houston (9-7, wild card)

NFC Playoff teams:

Green Bay (13-3, NFC North winner)
Dallas (10-6, NFC East winner)
Atlanta (10-6, NFC South winner)
San Francisco (9-7, NFC West winner)
Minnesota (11-5, wild card)
New Orleans (10-6, wild card)

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by Christopher Gates on Jun 1, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

In AFC they basically shuffled the playoff teams of last year and in the NFC did the same except placing San Fran where Arizona was (that took a lot of thought) perhaps they could have picked some risks like Carolina or Tennessee.

by tkiller314 on Jun 1, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

So 5 new division winners and 3 new playoff teams.

No real surprise there. While I disagree with some of the records/positioning of the teams listed above all 12 do have a good shot at making the playoffs. Thing is there will be a few surprises like the Dolphins, Bengals, Giants, and Titans who can mess up things very easily.

The Jets, 49ers, Ravens, Packers, and Texans all seem to be “hot” teams this offseason so it’s almost guaranteed that at least two of them will tank and fail to meet expectations. My bets are on the Jets and Packers being the teams that take a step backwards instead of forwards.

by CanadianViking on Jun 1, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

the jets are gonna crash and burn,

look at that locker room, you couldn’t fit another overinflated ego in edgewise.

starting with rex

by r c a on Jun 2, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doubt it. There is no way their defense isn’t stout unless they have like 4 or 5 starters go down. And if all those Cb’s they have stay healthy, Ryan is gonna have a hell of a time throwing those exotic blitz packages at teams.

by packallday555 on Jun 2, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree

They have that 70s Oakland Raider/John Madden feel to me. Which worked out pretty well for them.

by puddnhead on Jun 3, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, for as much as we are left scratching our heads

… I bet the Saints board is screaming bloody murder over this! 10-6, losing division to Falcons?!?

I think the Jets are probably expecting a lot more than what they are being given, as well. And of course it goes without saying, Dallas (they always think they are the cat’s meow).

by puddnhead on Jun 2, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have to at least thank them

for not hopping on the Jets bandwagon.

Frankly, I’m hoping everyone picks the Vikings to finish worse than the Packers. I would rather we were the underdogs. Seem to perform better that way.

by Bodysuit Man on Jun 3, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got it...

Wait for it…

It’s the “Schism Factor”.

"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

by cryhavoc on Jun 1, 2010 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Schism factor.....hmmmmm

Can you illustrate this for me?

by dsludo on Jun 1, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geez Dsludo,

did you think if I would have had an idea how to illustrate that, that I would not have done so?

"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

by cryhavoc on Jun 1, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

ahh so they are taking the BSPN road through sports

place the 4 teams logos on the ground, cut the head of a chicken and where ever the chicken falls is the winner of the nfc north.

by muffin man on Jun 1, 2010 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

pleasing the fans

There are still a lot more Packers fans nationwide than Vikings fans, so they tell the larger group what they want to hear.

by medicineball on Jun 1, 2010 8:33 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

and...

it’s been slow over at APC, they need a little ‘fire’…

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jun 1, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shows how little they actually analyzed the schedule

No one in our division is going 13-3 with the schedules that we have…

The Packers will have a quality team and certainly do have the up and coming QB. It is O their line that makes me wonder if they have what it takes to be us out. I could certainly see a split between our teams this year and that means whomever has the best remaining record wins the division. Since I believe they get the slightly easier schedule and start off very soft, it could very well be us chasing them all season long… Can we catch them? I think so as we put the pressure on late!

by PurpleJesus on Jun 1, 2010 8:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly....

13-3, I don’t think so. 11-12 wins will be tops in the North.

GB got better, we really didn’t. I don’t think it’s much of a stretch at all to think they top the Vikes this year. Rodgers was beat on the first half the season and they were still right on our tails. They have a fairly talented team and we should be well aware of this.

by Arsist on Jun 2, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

What do the italics mean?

If italicized letter grades mean that a few players are iffy from injury/retirement or stars must align or if nobody says anything about anybody else’s mama, etc., then it might make some sense or more sense.

by KC Viking on Jun 1, 2010 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I italicized the teams with the highest score

In each category. Some of them were tied.

Probably should have gone with bold instead. . .but yeah, that’s what that denotes.

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by Christopher Gates on Jun 1, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Makes sense

The italics, I mean, not the mag’s prediction.

by KC Viking on Jun 1, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pack in the playoffs

While I don’t think it will happen, if the Packers enter the playoffs with the #1 seed (and thus home field advantage throughout) I don’t think anyone will stop them until the Superbowl. And especially not a 41 year-old QB whom they know very well.

Too. Damn. Cold.

by Jayrome007 on Jun 1, 2010 9:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

Well put, but I do think that they’ll be number 1 in the north at least

by Tim V on Jun 1, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whenever the Packers are good/decent

They tend to get overrated by many as some sort of dreamy, love story pick. Yahoo and SI’s Peter King are perfect examples. It is the last vestige of small town teams and the community owned nestalga that goofy writers go for. It doesn’t amount to anything more than the Packers being overrated.

Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!

by VikesPma on Jun 1, 2010 9:35 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

FUCK THE MEDIA!

except, of course, all Vikings’ sites. SKOL FAVRE! SKOL VIKINGS!

by belairjeff on Jun 1, 2010 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

i was wondering where youve been jeff hell yea SKOL FAVRE AND HELL YEA SKOL VIKES ITS ON SEPT 9TH!!!!!!!!!!!!

by cali viking on Jun 2, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be honest

I would rather have the media hype up other teams.
We seem to do better when we’re the under-dogs.
And we all know that most of us agree. We do our best when we are expected to not win.
How many people thought this year we wouldn’t beat the Packers? How many people expected us to let them take the division? How many people figured since already beat the Packers once, we couldn’t do it in Lambeau?

With that being the case, we just need the media to go ahead and say something stupid like the MN Vikings will never win the Superbowl, or be more specific, the Minnesota Vikings will never win the Superbowl.. The day I read that article is the day I call up Vegas and put money on the Vikings. Weird how it works sometimes..

I’ll continue to take our under-dog status since it just proves that the Vikings have something to prove.

by Deek on Jun 1, 2010 11:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Honestly I think we have the better team

However they have the easier schedule. Since it looks like we’re not going to lose the wall I can see us winning most of the games in the beginning of the schedule IF Favre gets some reps in with his receivers early. Last year the first couple of games were pretty sketchy and we were playing some of the easier teams. This year we don’t have that luxury so we’ll need to come out firing on all cyclinders.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jun 2, 2010 7:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Honestly

I think we may have the best team, top to bottom, in the NFL. Unfortunately, I just don’t see the schedule being very condusive to 13 wins. I also don’t think we will sweep the Pack again.

by PurpleJesus on Jun 2, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

My thoughts too

The division crown will come down to the series … except that I kinda expect the series to be split this time around. So, it may come down to strength of schedule :(

by puddnhead on Jun 3, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

But isn't the strength of schedule

Based upon that year alone? So if all the tought teams we expect to face flop (Like 2009’s Steelers) and we lose the enough games to tie with the Packers, and their strength of schedule had the current year has has a better strength of schedule, we lose out the tie.

by Deek on Jun 7, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully a season together will mean Favre and the WRs come out firing on all cylinders. They will need to get some extra reps in to shake the rust off when Favre comes in after training camp. Longer preseason practices for Favre and the WRs?

Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!

by VikesPma on Jun 2, 2010 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

The position grading actually isn't too far off

For us, anyway. I share their concern about the secondary and linebackers; I think that is our Achilles Heel. Quality, depth, and injury concerns all together make me anxious.

Offensive line of Packers C+? Hmmm …. I don’t know what I would give them. They seem to be Jekyll and Hyde: sometimes the are solid B/B+, other times they are D-. I would have given them “incomplete” if I could.

Kinda damning that they rated Cutler B- Also interesting that they rate GB and our QBs the same. I think Rodgers deserves to be ranked up there with Favre, but I think we are overall better off because we the deepest bench in the NFL there, and the Packers have … well, only question marks behind their starter. Maybe Flynn is another Warner or Cassel, but the odds say, probably not. I would rather have one bird in hand than two in the bush for the backup QB position of a team that has aspirations of a Superbowl.

by puddnhead on Jun 2, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Looking again, there is a thing I even more strongly question in Packers grading

Rating the Packers secondary as an A. Woodson and Harris have been great, but they are 33 and 35 years old respectively, and one is coming off of major knee surgery. And let’s face it, this secondary was absolutely KOed the last game they played in (albeit without Harris).

I dunno, maybe I just worry too much about passing defense, since I am suspect of the Vikings’ as well.

by puddnhead on Jun 2, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

That might be because they got very little pressure on the QB

I think their line is solid at run D, but suspect as hell when it comes to getting to teh QB. Problem is you can have the best CB’s in the league but give a guy 5-7 seconds in the pocket and well he’ll find a spot.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jun 2, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, but that's not all of it

The week after the game, NFL Total Access (I think?) did a segment on how the secondary broke down badly against the Cardinals. I can’t remember anymore who did the analysis, maybe Mayhew?, but they showed series after series of places where they just messed up. The suggestion was made that maybe the defensive scheme was too complicated for the players to correctly figure out what to do each time, but whatever the case, it was pretty clear that the Packers were allowing Cardinals receivers to get WIDE open, time after time.

by puddnhead on Jun 3, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that damn bunch formation that the Cardinals kept running was killing us. Barnett and Bush looked like a couple of deers in the headlights, along with some other guys too. It seemed like we struggled schematically against the Vikings and the Steelers as well. Hopefully some more experience in the system can help us out, especially against elite level Qb’s.

by packallday555 on Jun 3, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think an A grade in the secondary is pretty questionable, and much too generous. Granted we had 3 guys out last season, I don’t know how much any of them will contribute for us this coming year. I love Al Harris but like you said he is 35, and coming off a really, really serious ACL tear. Will Blackmon is another guy coming back but he’s been our 5th Cb for 2-3 years, and really has only contributed on special teams. One guy that is intriguing is Pat Lee. He was our 2nd round pick in 2008 (or one of them). He has shown some flashes, kinda similar to what Allen showed for the Vikings this year.

by packallday555 on Jun 2, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The same ol' shat...

Every year it is the same with the media, now with Favre " the media god" the stations have to swallow their pride and give the Vikes some air time…as much as they may hate doing so because as we all know team owners like Jerry Jones have been floating teams like the Vikings for years now…Meaning that they always bash the Vikes and they always will until our team wins the big one. Until then we get spit on and teams like the Cowgirls almost are given the trophy during pre-season. It’s all a bunch of shat.

by Hornedhelm on Jun 2, 2010 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Off topic but

Atogwe please!!!!!!!!!! That would bump up our secondary. I know the Vikes have a lot of money invested in Madieu, but who cares, chalk it up as a loss we need a FS that can make plays. Madieu can be there for depth. If either OJ or Tyrell go down with injury Madieu could fill in.

Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!

by VikesPma on Jun 2, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

At this time

I would rather be recognized for superior talent than picked to win it all. If you have the talent and a little luck the wins take care of themselves. Most of these guys can’t pick their nose much less pick the SB winner in June.

by SouthernNorseman on Jun 2, 2010 10:57 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

All that matters is that........

Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV!

Guaranteed!

19-0!

Strong Possibility! Will probably Guarantee before season’s first game!

Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!

Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!

Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!

by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jun 2, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Getting old R4F

I’d respect it more if you said 17-2.

by PurpleJesus on Jun 2, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right!

Ok, maybe I was being polite! ;-)

by PurpleJesus on Jun 3, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get off my case.................

This is my opinion, not yours!

Do I comment negatively on your opinions? Answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!

Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!

Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!

by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jun 3, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yikes

Touched a nerve there.

Not sure how I commented negatively. I merely concurred with the observation that you have posted that opinion verbatim a LOT. Which you aren’t seriously going to deny, are you?

by puddnhead on Jun 4, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is my opinion! I don't give a rat's behind what you feel is getting old!

Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!

Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!

Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!

by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jun 3, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m with u R 4F there’s nothing wrong with believing in ur team SKOL VIKES!!!!

by cali viking on Jun 4, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two different writers?

I’ll admit I haven’t read the Yahoo predictions, but I think it was one writer who made the tables and another who made the predictions, See it all the time in these preseason prognositcator’ s articles. You would think they should get together to make sure they’re on the same page before they print it. Not likely though.

by eyeguy81 on Jun 2, 2010 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Since when did the best teams have the best record?

On average most experts and fans would pick a majority of the same playoff teams to have records enabling them to go back to the playoffs the next year. But in actuality it does not happen. At least 4 or 5 teams out of the 8 playoff teams do not go back.
     The reason for this is unexpected injuries, injuries that do not heal as expected ( Griffen, Winfield, Henderson, Leber), and the proverbial unlucky bounce of the ball.

I would expect everyone to rate the Vikings as the team with the best players at most positions, since all starters are returning. To me that doesn’t mean that one would pick them as the team with the best record at the end of next season.
If one believes that GB will be lucky and the Vikings unlucky then the GB pick makes sense. If you think the Vikes have significant injury issues to overcome then the GB pick makes sense.

But if you look at last years games between the two teams… then the author is an idiot.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on Jun 2, 2010 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Yahoo has it somewhat wrong

The Vikes will win the north but the pack will win the SB. It would be the perfect ending to this Favre ordeal. Come to expect it and it won’t hit you as hard.

by Heech on Jun 2, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh sure.. guaranteed, right?

Packer fans kill me. Only Packer fans say they’ll win the Super Bowl in this tone.. only winning ONE in the past 46 years.

Sure, you’ll roll through the 2010 playoffs no problem.. right? ..since you guys aptly showed how well you could run the ball when you needed to, and play tough defense when it counted. What was that number that Arizona pimp-slapped you with?.. 51? Yeah, that’s right.. I know you haven’t forgotten.

My suggestion.. conserve your kleenex for the next few months. Sounds like you’ll be jerking off plenty to all the Packer-slanted predictions being churned out by the media. Pace yourself.

by BleedingPurple on Jun 2, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha kind of a crazy statement but keep in mind there is a Viking fan who just said above that you guys are going to go 19-0..Every teams fans has its share of homers.

by packallday555 on Jun 2, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is no "Favre ordeal"

Except in packer fan’s moldy minds.

by sx2700 on Jun 2, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

MAN YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF THAT LOGO NOT ON THIS SITE

by cali viking on Jun 2, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh

He’s obviously a Packer fan….

Be no different than any of us going over there and posting a reasonable thought comment w/ a profile picture of Calvin Peeing on GB or something.

by Deek on Jun 2, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

a reasonable comment and a calvin pissing on gb logo, in the same comment....?

this concept you dreamt up, it is most intruiging. however, in this reality, it simply could not exist.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jun 2, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahhh

Does he hate him because he was at one time a Packer?
If so, I wonder how he feels about Ryan Longwell, or Darren Sharper when he was on the team. I know we all respect and back our players when they are on our team, but after that, things change… Look at how our perspective of Sharper has probably changed…

by Deek on Jun 3, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

My personal opinion on the matter is that he hates Favre even more than the Green Bay Packers. Based on previous comments. And the fact that he thinks the perfect ending to the Favre era is GB of all teams winning a super bowl. Seems like he would like to see the Vikings fail with Favre.

by dsludo on Jun 3, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I remember him as one of the 3-4 most vehement anti-Favre guys from last summer. One other was FarvaForVikings. Farva manned-up that he was wrong, which I respect him for a lot. I don’t think Heech ever will.

by puddnhead on Jun 3, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does he hate him because he was at one time a Packer?
If so, I wonder how he feels about Ryan Longwell, or Darren Sharper when he was on the team.

Blah, blaah, blaaah.

Do we have to go over this every 3 days?

If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal

by TheViking83 on Jun 3, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who cares?

Preseason prognostication is far more useless than even predicting the outcome of a single game, which is very hard as well.

Last year, if you recall, the Packers were the vogue pick. In some cases, it was the Bears. For some reason, almost no one had the Vikings ahead of both of those teams, despite the fact the Vikings won the division.

Now, I think for some, like Peter King, they are trying to validate their incorrect predictions that the Pack would win the division and perhaps the Superbowl. Maybe they will, I don’t know, but I think the reasoning is fairly suspect.

I think the Vikings and Packers will compete for it. With the Packers, you still have to wonder about the performance of their O-line and running backs. I think the Bears took a step forward, but without depth from the draft, a few injuries especially in the secondary and their defense will fall apart. Their O-line is suspect as well. I think the Lions might have taken a big step forward on defense especially, and could be quite competitive.

I think our O-line has got to play better in the running game. We had too many 2nd and longs last year for my comfort. If we can do that, I think the Vikings will be very good and tough to beat.

by HammeroftheGods on Jun 2, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I think its because there isn’t much else to talk about, and sharing other opinions spurs discussion.

by puddnhead on Jun 2, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like the prediction....bring it on yahoo!

it is only a prediction. nothing more. besides, i would rather not be favored because that puts pressure on a team to live up to speculative pre-season predictions. i would rather be the slight underdog, and end up proving them wrong.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jun 2, 2010 4:42 PM CDT reply actions  

ditto

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jun 3, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

My only guess

  They must have done this while the looming suspensions of Pat and Kevin Williams were in favor of it being upheld. Add on the fact that Favre might not return. On top of that we lost Taylor (the best back-up ever). I don’t think they wanted to put the Vikings that high with so many question marks.

 However, we all know Favre is coming back and just recently we found out that the Williams wall can’t be suspended until after their appeal. Oh, and we have a back-up running back bigger then AP. He might not be as agile as Taylor, but the combination of Peterson and Gerhart will wear a defense down. It should be hard enough on the defense trying to zero in on Favre, but to have to do so the whole game with a possible bull-dozer running you over if you think too hard.

These ratings are bogus. First off..the Titans will make it to the play-offs. Are you kidding me?…when Young is leading that team, everyone plays different. In a good way. The Packers 13-3? Lets make this atleast reasonable predictions. The Bears will be the biggest competitor. The Bears have improved their team drastically. Cutler is a better quarterback then Rodgers. He had a rough beggining to the year, with a new system and no experience what-so-ever with their recieving core. Julius Peppers and Urlacher back. That Defense will improve drastically just because of the attention those two will bring. Example: Jared Allen when he arrived in Minnesota.

I’d say the Saints win their division hands down. The Falcons don’t make the play-offs. I’d say the Redskins make the play-offs instead. How many times in the past 10 years has McNabb NOT made it to the play-offs. Thats 3. the first time was as a first time starter. The other 2 times he didn’t make it he was hurt for a large portion of the year. The Skins have a powerful D, especially if their offense scores for once. The Eagles made a terrible decision. Its like losing Taylor to the Bears times a hundred.

Its late..
Goodnight and may the Vikes give you pleasant dreams of winning that shinning trophy

by PurpleJesuZ on Jun 3, 2010 2:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with a bunch of what you say

but the part about Cutler being better than Rodgers… Well I’m sorry man but I don’t think that’s so.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jun 3, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let me make a statement that the fearful GreenBay Editor also banned me for .....

GreenBay is the Vikings of the Pre-Brett Era . Until Aaron can consistently get into the playoffs and win a playoff gamee against an Elite Eight Team they don’t deserve consideration !!!! Then their is that minor detail of being swept . Brett is such a psycological advantage it isn’t even funny . The fans are so deflated over his return . Again this year most Pack fans I know either claim they won’t watch their team or that they shut the T.V. off before the 3rd Quarter ends . After week 7 they don’t even get T.V. time in my region . And I’m in the midwest !!!

by gothicpurple on Jun 3, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Rodgers is the least of our concerns. We shouldn’t be considered a real threat until our secondary improves. Come playoff time, pretty much every team there has an elite passing game or high level Qb, which was our downfall last season. If we come out and prove we can slow teams passing games down, then maybe we can be considered a contender. I’m just not entirely sure how good the secondary will be though. We’ve got guys coming back but I’m not sure how much they’ll really contribute.

by packallday555 on Jun 3, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gates you are a moron .

Who is the one team after the Vikings sweep ??? I will remind you that you are a moron starting after their second loss . Even GB fans see six losses unless their draft picks hit the steroids . Jolly got caught with the teams Codiene so what will they do when this List comes out . Oops there goes the playoffs !!!!

by gothicpurple on Jun 3, 2010 12:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Let me put this as quietly and subtly as I can

THE ABOVE PREDICTIONS ARE NOT MINE! THEY COME DIRECTLY FROM YAHOO! SPORTS’ NFL PREVIEW ISSUE!

If you’re going to run around here calling people morons. . .particularly the guy that runs the damn website. . .why don’t you attempt to dislodge your stupid head from your stupid ass long enough to at least attempt to figure out what you’re talking about?

Sweet merciful crap. . .reading is fundamental. You ought to try it sometime.

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by Christopher Gates on Jun 3, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

wow.....

thats pretty epic, right there!

I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.

by IABerserker1 on Jun 4, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Grimes...their schedule isn't easier .

We play nearly identical schedules. Name a team on their schedule we don’t play that they put up 500+ on ! Then remember our cake schedule inside during DEC and JAN . They play out in the elements which causes their injuries and the occasional upset . GreenBay doesn’t play well the last two years combined in DEC/JAN . That was Brett’s strength all those years not the Fudges!!!
         They have a grooling 5-6 games in the center of their schedule that is certain to rattle Aaron as much as the 60 sacks their O-line will be giving up !!! DcGoth strikes again !!!!

by gothicpurple on Jun 3, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

When I look at the overall ratings .....

LB was our roughest grade . A healthy EJ is the only way to argue on this one along with giving up our #3 pick which was sloted for Curran .
OL,DB’ was fair . The lack of INT makes it so .
Apon cross exam…
DET offense deserves a little more credit but not much .
CHI D-line is graded a little high . Special teams is based on reputation and not performance .
GB QB is fair as they drop off considerably with an aging and poorly coached line . GB ‘s WR/TE should grade slightly higher on depth alone . DB is off as they were badly burned in several games . There run-D was #1 not those 4 often hurt boys . The overall grade was high as this team hs as many glaring strengths as it has glaring weaknesses do to age , injuries do to age and inconsistent coaching .
       They didn’t seem to factor our free agent and draft selections . The intangables that Brett brings has been skewed his whole careeer. Health will be a key .

by gothicpurple on Jun 3, 2010 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

The overall grade was high as this team hs as many glaring strengths as it has glaring weaknesses do to age , injuries do to age and inconsistent coaching .

This is pretty spot on regarding the team last year. Our passing game was extremely strong, as well as our run defense. But at the same time, the OL was horrible the first half of the season and the secondary wasn’t up to par against elite Qb’s/passing games.

The OL should actually be ok, as we won’t have to start the year off with some no name guy at one of the OT positions. (Unless of course, I just jinxed them.) The biggest focus should be on the secondary. At the starting positions we have guys plenty capable in Woodson, Williams, and Collins. We just need some guys to step up and play the nickel and dime positions well.

by packallday555 on Jun 3, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

GB secondary and the Packers chances of beating the Vikings

Packers secondary is the main concern now. With the O-line more or less together with veterans and the addition of a 1st round rookie, it should be better. If the Packers want to compete with the Vikings, then they need to handle the passing game of Favre and the Vikings receivers. I like the addition of 3rd round pick Burnett (maybe not be an immediate starter but could be a pretty good player), yet as packallday555 points out the CB position needed attention as well. I wish TT would have addressed that at some point.

Overall, the Packers may have improved, but have they improved enough to earn the admiration of the media and be lavished praise as superbowl favorites? I think not. The year is early. Remember last year when the Packers were all the rage? That did not work out so well. That was quite frustrating.

The edge, right now, still goes to the Vikings. If Favre can’t make it, then forget about any hope of winning. I doubt the Saints can repeat. It is possible, but they were a little lucky last year. So were many teams. The Vikings proved better, but kept turning the ball over in the NFCCG. The Packers can make it if the season works out in their favor. But a lot of things have to work out right. Yet the same can be said for a lot of teams.

by starmark on Jun 4, 2010 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think the secondary is probably our only real question mark. Not drafting one was frustrating but we do have 3 returning from injury. Obviously the coaches feel like at least one of them will step up, or that Underwood will. I’m not really sure what to think as far as how the secondary will turn out. Really looking at things, we’re ok with Woodson and Williams as our starters. What we really need is some solid guys too play the nickel and dime spot. Seems like between Harris, Lee, and Underwood you’d think getting solid back-up play would be pretty reasonable but you just never know.

Agreed that the Vikings have the edge, and will in my eyes unless our secondary can prove to be better against top Qb’s. With a little luck, and things working out right I think both our teams could be SB contenders.

by packallday555 on Jun 5, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed !

OT was the right choice in round one . If you mvved up with your second round pick like lst year a starting OLB or CB may have been had . Caprs will hold them together early but your middle set of games is grooling ! Your third round pick was a luxery pick unless they are going to shake things up with the starters . You don’t want Capers cleaning house like Martz in Chicago . I was wrong in my early view on GB’s conversion to a 3-4 . I was correct though that key players won’t fit the system . Kampman will be a big loss . Hawk is on the outside looking in .
    I still wonder why the Vikes haven’t converted . One stud ILB and they could dominate . I can still dream can’t I ….?

by gothicpurple on Jun 3, 2010 5:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I still wonder why the Vikes haven’t converted . One stud ILB and they could dominate . I can still dream can’t I ….?

Doesn’t seem like it’d be a great fit. Allen would be in the same situation as Kampman, and who would be the other OLB? With a DL as good as yours, you really don’t need any complicated blitz schems or packages, which is what the 3-4 is pretty much used for. Your front four consistently get pressure on the Qb, which is and has been a huge luxury for your secondary.

by packallday555 on Jun 5, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now if only

the secondary would take advantage of it. I haven’t seen a huge improvement in play from the CBs, with the exception of Winfield who’s shutting people down alot better, since before Allen.

Actually, Griffin is a bit better, as long as he gets to put his hand on a reciever. In Man or Zone, eugh. Press he’s good at.

by Frost on Jun 6, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather be known

For having the 3rd most receiving TDs in the league the last 2 season and a big cock, rather than this twitter garbage.

Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!

by VikesPma on Jun 3, 2010 5:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Wasn't the Pack the trendy pick last year.

After their stellar preseason they were Superbowl bound remember.

by iowaron on Jun 4, 2010 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

yes

after they won the preseanon sb they were on their way!

it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin

by montana vikes fan on Jun 4, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

They did have a pretty good season last year. I mean, what’d they go 11-5? That’s only one loss behind us. And their losses were pretty close. Their defense might not be the best, but that offense is pretty good. If they can just get their defense on the same page, I think they could easily steal the North from us, since their strength on offense is our weakness; the Passing game.

And I don’t care that we have Jared Allen and an awesome D-Line. That doesn’t mean dick. Allen had like 5 sacks in one game against them last year, and Rodgers STILL threw for 3 TDs and almost 400 yards at the same time. We need better CBs if we’re going to compete against them, or a different scheme that our CBs will be better at, or something. Standing pat may get us the North this year, but after? Once Favre is gone, the North is pretty much the Packer’s.

by Frost on Jun 6, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Got some optimism for you.

Our defensive scheme gives up a lot of yards by it’s nature but we should be much better this year. Compare this years CB depth chart to last years and we look to be much better. Last year Sapp was our nickel and replacement starter whereas it looks like Allen is going to be the nickel this year and our second starter will be split up between Lito, Cook, and Griffen when he’s healthy. So this year if somebody goes down we have at least two better options than Paymah and Sapp. The main concern for me going forward is Madieu, but I think Griffen or Winfield will be moved to safety to replace him in a year or two.

Green Bay is a good team and they will challenge us for years to come but they have some areas that are very old and marred with injury. Their secondary fell apart late last year with injuries and the CB position is looking really thin. Woodson is still good but he’s probably only got a couple years left before age catches up and Harris’ injury from last year is really serious. He tore two ligaments and destroyed some other things in his knee that I haven’t even heard about before. It’s a real possibility that he may be done. Then there’s their O-line which is old and injury prone. Bulaga will solidify one spot in the near future but they’ve got some depth issues.

Basically, I see the Packers as being close to the Vikings but they have more depth, age, and injury concerns at key positions than us. Their best 22 against our best 22 is close at this point but I think we have a small edge which could grow much larger if they don’t get younger and healthier. The one thing that is concerning for the future is the QB issue. This year is fine assuming Favre returns, but after that they will likely have the better QB while we will have the better team as a whole. The QB issue will keep these two teams close unless TJ gets much better, we get another quality veteran like McNabb, or we draft a QB high next year.

by CanadianViking on Jun 6, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you guys learn nothing....

…from the Cowboys game last year?

Remember Trent Dilfer and the rest of the media dolts who believed Dallas was a Super Bowl favorite and how the Vikings game was just a small hurdle to their ultimate immortality? If you don’t I’m sure you have to remember all the Cowboy fans who came over here to regurgitate the same flawed logic.

The same logic exists here. The same logic meaning that there really is no logic.

by JoshB on Jun 4, 2010 5:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I see a few reasons for the rating.

First, you have a QB who (as usual) won’t commit to playing. Even if he does, he’s over 40 and will be coming off another surgery. You lost Chester Taylor (thank you, by the way) and replaced him with Gerhart. Gerhart may do well, but as of now he’s an unknown quantity replacing proven production. Peterson is a hell of a back, but his fumbling is obviously starting to concern people. I’d also venture to say McKinnie’s attitude is becoming a concern as well, at least from an outside perspective.
   The biggest reason though, is that almost EVERYONE thinks their team is underrated and being disrespected by the media. I guarantee if you go to different team blogs throughout the year, you’ll see everyone bitching about the same things; the media doesn’t give us enough credit, they don’t rank (insert favorite player) high enough, they don’t like us because we’re in whatever location, etc. Somewhere right now, there are Oakland fans trying to justify why they should be ranked in the top ten.
   That being said, I don’t see GB hitting 13-3. They’re on the rise, but I think they’re still a year or two away. Assuming all three teams stay healthy, I think we all may be scrapping it out at the end of the season for playoff spots, but can also see any of the three falling to 8-8 territory if things don’t break right. Let’s face it, all of us have some pretty big “if’s” at this point.

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by JerBear50 on Jun 5, 2010 10:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I dunno about all three...

Honestly, I just don’t see the Bear’s as contenders at this point. Yep, you beat us last year, this I know. But in terms of who’s scrapping it out for the playoffs, I can really only see it being the Vikes and the Packers. The Bears just have too many questions, on both sides of the field. Maybe they’ll be one of those ‘on the edge’ teams that need like 3 things to go their way to make it in like they’ve been the last couple years now.

Now it could happen that those questionmarks turn into exclamation points, and a couple probably will, but I still don’t think they’re quite there yet, even with the addition of Peppers and Taylor. 8-8 I can see them getting though.

by Frost on Jun 6, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, they have a couple big question marks.

Moving Omiyale back to RT will hopefully shore up the tackle spot, but LG is still really questionable. This is of course assuming Chris Williams performs as expected. If Major Wright can’t make an immediate impact at FS, our secondary will be vulnerable again, as usual. Hopefully Peppers can help take some of the pressure off. I’d like to see Harris return to top form, but I’m hardly optimistic.
  On top of the positional questions, there’s an entirely new offensive staff. I don’t know if one offseason is enough for them to pick up Martz’s offense with any proficiency. You guys and that revolting green and gold clad filth from Wisconsin are definitely the favorites. If things break right, we could end up in the mix. If not, we’ll end up floating around .500 as usual.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Jun 6, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

gonzo

the reson pfw comes out so early is to sell more mags and not many peopie is like me and can buy 8 NFL mags and pfw last year made a 2 mag in early july its rosters was upated as of june 15 the best NFL mag is phil steele’s NFL he upate the rosters last year late june this year early july he had b favre on minn last year when no else did and he picked minn to go to miami against indy i think

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