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Jared Allen Is Very Good At Playing Football

We'll file that headline under the "stuff we already knew" category, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to state the obvious.  We've had a couple of different sources confirm this, however, so I thought it would be good to share with everybody.

First of all, the ratings for the upcoming Madden '11 game have been leaked, via the folks at GoMadden.com.  The highest a player can be rated in Madden is a 99.  This year, only six players got that distinction. . .and Jared Allen was one of those six.  The other five were Tennessee Titans RB Chris Johnson, QB Peyton Manning of the Indianapolis Colts, New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees, CB Darrelle Revis of the New York Jets, and MLB Patrick Willis of the San Francisco 49ers.

Other Vikings that rate in the top ten at their positions, according to the rankings, are Adrian Peterson (98 rating, No. 2 RB), Bryant McKinnie (90, No. 8 LOT), Steve Hutchinson (97, No. 1 LG), Kevin Williams (97, No. 1 DT), Ray Edwards (85, No. 8 LDE), Chad Greenway (88, No. 6 ROLB), and Ryan Longwell (92, No. 4 K).  Oh, and that Brett Favre fellow (92, No. 4 QB).

So, yes, the Minnesota Vikings are one of the best and most talented teams in the league, and Jared Allen is one of its best players.  Again, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. . .but it's nice to highlight stuff like this.

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But the folks over at Cold, Hard Football Facts have put Allen up on an even higher pedestal, declaring him to be the best non-QB player in the entire National Football League.  They make this declaration based on a stat they call the Defensive Hog Index, which measures each defense in three key areas. . .their ability to stop the run, their ability to force negative pass plays (both sacks and INTs), and their ability to get off the field on third down.

Allen's impact was felt not only on the Vikings, which we obviously saw from the first time he stepped on the field in purple and gold, but it's possible that it was felt even more so by the Kansas City Chiefs, the team the Vikings dealt a first-round pick and two third-round picks to in order to acquire Allen's services.

By 2007, the Kansas City defense had improved dramatically, to the point that the stoppers carried the team despite a poor offense. Allen was a dominant defensive end in 2007 – league leading 15.5 sacks – and the Chiefs were a dominant group of Defensive Hogs: No. 5 overall on our Defensive Hog Index and the NFL’s best defense on third downs.
 
Then Allen was traded to Minnesota in 2008: the Vikings instantly went from a one-dimensional group of great run stoppers to a group of Defensive Hogs dominant in all phases of the game. They remained a dominant group in 2009.
 

The Chiefs, meanwhile, have imploded in the wake of the Allen departure. A dominant defensive front in 2007, the Chiefs fielded one of the worst defensive lines in memory 2008. They barely improved in 2009.

To wit, in 2007. . .Allen's last year in Kansas City. . .the Chiefs were fifth overall in the Defensive Hog Index, as listed above.  This happened because they were No. 24 against the run (4.34 yards/attempt), No. 6 in forcing negative pass plays (10.22%), and the best in the league in third-down defense (31.3%).  In 2008, after Allen left, they went all the way to dead last in the league in the Defensive Hog Index, finishing second to last in run defense (5.0 yards/attempt), last in forcing negative pass plays (4.3%), and second to last on third down (47.4%).  So the loss of Jared Allen almost single-handedly caused the entire Kansas City defense to fall apart.

On the other hand, we've all watched Minnesota's defense flourish with No. 69 lining up at right defensive end.  Here is a comparison of how the Vikings fared in the Defensive Hog Index in 2007 without Allen, and how they've done in 2008 and 2009 with him.

2007 2008 2009
Defensive Hog Index Ranking 14th 4th 3rd
Rush Defense 2nd (3.13 YPA) 2nd (3.31 YPA) 6th (3.89 YPA)
Negative Pass Plays 24th (7.75%) 8th (9.9%) 9th (9.97%)
Third Down Defense 18th (40.2%) 4th (33.5%) 3rd (34.5%)

It also helps to keep in mind that Allen's greatest impact came in Minnesota's two games against the Green Bay Packers, the games that ultimately decided the NFC North and helped the Vikings to gain the No. 2 seed in the NFC Playoffs.  As Allen has become accustomed to doing, he registered 4.5 sacks and a safety in Minnesota's 30-23 victory over Green Bay in Week Four, and tacked on three more in the Vikings' 38-26 win over the Packers in Week Eight.

Is Jared Allen the biggest impact player in the league?  Or, at least, the biggest impact player that doesn't play quarterback?  After seeing these sorts of numbers, it's awfully hard to argue in favor of anyone else, in my opinion.

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Willis & Woodson ????Huh ???

I’ll give this one to Brees for his crazy season and the Ring at any cost senerio . He helped Brett come back for one more magical seasn . That has to count for something .

by gothicpurple on Jun 25, 2010 10:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Sacks are probably overrated

but JA would still be in the running for best non-QB in the league if everyone agreed with me. RBs would be strong contenders if JA wasn’t it, and so should a pass-rushing DT like Kevin Williams.

(Why sacks are overrated: About 45% of them are negating incompletions and/or INTs, and not all pass completions are for first downs. I’d rather see defensive players evaluated by total big plays: tackles for losses/sacks/both, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, INTs, pass deflections, something for hurries/QB hits as well as passer rating allowed for d-backs and negative yards per game for front 7s.)

by KC Viking on Jun 25, 2010 11:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Negating an incompletion

So it’s negative yards instead of 0 yards, that’s still a positive for me. It’s almost like a penalty but they lose the down as well.

I have to disagree with you on the sacks being overrated. Obviously any play that loses yards is important, but sacks can easily be 5-10 yards lost (or more) thanks to 5 step drops and scrambles. You’ll be hard pressed to stop a runner for a 5-10 yard loss even a couple times per season.

by Cobra312004 on Jun 25, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is an outrage!

Brett Favre not ranked in the top 6!

John Madden must no longer be in charge!

Brett Favre will be the 2010 NFL MVP!

I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!

Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!

Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!

Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!

by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jun 25, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually

what I was most surprised by was that Shiancoe wasn’t rated in the top 10 TEs. I mean, if you’re going to have a knee-jerk reaction and give Vernon Davis a 90+ rating after one season, shouldn’t the guy who’s lead TE’s in TD catches over the last couple years get some love too?

by Frost on Jun 25, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Good point… Wasn’t he basically considered the Best for TEs in 2009?

by Deek on Jun 25, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Idk about the best

but he did lead TEs in TDs, and he has the most TDs by a TE over the last 3 years I think. More than anyone else on that list who’re supposedly more than 10 points better.

by Frost on Jun 27, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about receptions

and yards??

Should have a high ranking

And why wouldn’t our very own ROY not be up w/ a 99 rating or close to it?

by Deek on Jun 28, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yuck

why would they give Harvin a 99? He wasn’t even close to being the best WR last year. He had a good year, but not 99 worthy. I can see mid-80s at best.

As for Receptions/Yards, Shiancoe was 11th in both. Granted he only had 56 catches as opposed to high 70s/80s, or even the 90s/100s that Clark and Witten got. And he still finished behind only Vernon Davis, who had 20 more catches, and a knee-jerk jump to a 90+ rating, in TDs.

His YPG did suck however.

by Frost on Jul 2, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's complete crap

He never even gets boosted when they update the ratings during the season. He ended at a 78 overall on my game this past season.
Madden puts HIGH emphasis on blocking for a tight end…..his blocking rating is really low so his entire overall rating suffers.
His hands are good…..his awareness is never as high as it should be on there.
I think his speed also gets a little under-rated in that game.

It’s all good though…..if you don’t like the rating, you can always manually boost it. Although, you can’t play online with your own ratings.

by gerkvoltage on Jun 25, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who wants to be the one to point out to r4f that Rodgers was ranked ahead of Favre? ;)

by puddnhead on Jun 25, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch

That’s a kick in the face….

When it was obvious Favre had a better season. I wonder what factors they used..

And someone must be right, John Madden must not be calling the shots no more… Because Madden has a crush on Favre and probably would of ranked him 99. haha

by Deek on Jun 25, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually...

they had almost identical seasons statistically. except that rodgers was sacked more and also had a lot more rushing yds. Guessing age was a factor in it all too…

But anyway, I thought of that too, someone beat me to pointing it out though!

by TrevorR on Jun 26, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

TrevorR

hit it on the head. Their stats were actually really close to being identical. So Idk if it’s worth a 4 point difference. Especially since conventional knowledge will tell you Favre is on top of his game as one of the best QBs, and Rodgers still needs to learn how to throw the football sooner.

by Frost on Jun 27, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rodgers better appreciate being ranked ahead of Favre

or R4F will have some rock hard evidence on why Rodgers is an unappreciative arrogant punk. ;)

I love Twins Baseball and Minnesota Vikings Football.

by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Jun 25, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Insightful post AND Ad-free!

Thanks Gonzo! :)

I think I mostly agree with their assessment. At first, the only players I could think of that might give him a run for his money are Chris Johnson and our own AP. Then again a RB is only as good as their line allows them to be. Then I remembered Darelle Revis and how great he makes the Jet’s defense.

I believe Jared Allen would be the hugely impactful player he is, no matter who he played for. Yes, good DTs make a DEs life easier. But Allen would be amazing regardless.

So it’s really between Allen and Revis as far as non-QBs. The homer and me will just go ahead and pick the Mullet.

by PurplePeopleEaters on Jun 26, 2010 5:53 AM CDT reply actions  

R4F , I'm sad to report that John gave up his rights to oversee the game .

Madden’s couch is weeping as we speak . How could John allow his Idol to be treated this way . We still have reality to lean on !! Brett has even silenced the great ESPN boys . Well at least until the East Coast games that ESPN uses to suck up to their fan base . Wins are the thing they can’t take from him . And those wins will propel our team back into the hunt once again .

by gothicpurple on Jun 26, 2010 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Haha were talking about individual players, and the ratings they got in a video game..Not the teams as a whole..

by packallday555 on Jun 28, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pardon my texting lingo…we’re.

by packallday555 on Jun 28, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure we're discussing Madden

and the Rodgers-Favre comparison/4-point difference in rating. Not about who’s team won more. Which, frankly, our’s only did by 1, and we had an easier schedule, so it’s not much of an arguement.

by Frost on Jul 2, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

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