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Hi everybody!  You're probably wondering where the heck I've been, haven't you?  No?  Not one bit?  Well fine, be that way.  I won't tell you about my fishing trip, but I do want to look at NFL.com's early fantasy football player rankings and projections, because I want to do an in-depth analysis and breakdown of where your Minnesota Vikings are want to give Gonzo a break after keeping this place going by himself for over a week, and this is the first thing I can come up with.  Anyways, let's look and see where NFL.com has your favorite Viking players, shall we?  I'll hit each starter at the offensive categories, and the number in parenthesis next to their name is where they are ranked by individual position, not overall.

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QB:  Brett Favre (8):  Initial gut reaction is that this is too low, and Favre should be top 5.  Ponce DeLeon, who turns 67 in early September, is ranked 8th among quarterbacks.  He has a stable of young, talented receivers, a good running game, and an offensive line that should be better with a healthy Steve Hutchinson and Anthony Herrera.  Ahead of Favre are the usual suspects (Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rivers) two one guy I can live with, albeit grudgingly (Aaron Rodgers), and two guys that I just can't get on board with, Tony Romo and Matt Schaub.  The fact that they have Jay Cutler 9th almost invalidates the list entirely, but let's just stick with 1-8.  I can live with Rodgers being ahead of Favre, but I don't see him as the #1 overall QB.  That goes to Manning, in my opinion.  I think Favre has a better season than Tom Brady, Tony Romo, and Matt Schaub.  the knock on Favre, ironically, is that he will eventually get injured and miss games...but he never has.  Schaub finally started all 16 games in a season for the first time in his career last season, and although he has a great receiver in Andre Johnson, doesn't have the overall talent around him that Favre does.  Tom Brady's ranking depends solely on Wes Welker and how quickly he can bounce back.  Brady looked out of sorts against the Ravens in the playoffs without Welker, and I think without him his numbers will suffer, even with Randy Moss.  He's still a great QB, but not as good as Favre.  As for Tony Romo...there's just something about him that I don't trust.  Romo is a very good quarterback, but I hesitate to call him great.  Is Miles Austin the real thing, now that teams will roll coverage to his side?  Jason Witten is arguably the best TE in the game, but Romo, who plays very well against teams Dallas should beat, still struggles in the spotlight, and the heat will be on Dallas all of 2010.  I just don't see Romo as better than Favre.

RB:  Adrian Peterson (2):  Initial gut reaction is that is right on the money.  The only guy ahead of him is Tennessee's Chris Johnson, and I can live with that.  If I have the #1 overall pick, I'm still picking Peterson, though, because the possibility of Chris Johnson holding out seems more than an idle threat to me, especially with all the support he's getting from current and former players.  AP had a great year that was marred by untimely fumbles, like inside the 10 during the NFC championship...ahem...sorry, still too soon.  Anyhow, what Peterson lost in rushing yards he made up for in receiving yards, and had only 65 total yards from scrimmage less in 2009 than he did in 2008.  With the loss of Chester Taylor, AP should have a more productive year than last season, and I expect him to nearly eliminate the fumble issues that dogged him in 2009.

WR:  Sidney Rice (11), Percy Harvin (21), Bernard Berrian (56):  Initial gut reaction is too low, marginally low, and way too low.  Rice had a breakout year, but the threats of Harvin and Berrian prevent defenses from consistently double teaming him, and that alone moves him into the top 10.  Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Randy Moss go 1-3, but without Kurt Warner and Anquan Boldin I think Fitzgerald's production drops him out of the top 5.  DeSean Jackson, Miles Austin, and Brandon Marshall are also guys that I would put Rice ahead of, making him a borderline top 5 guy.  Rice was second in the NFC in receiving, behind Austin, but when you factor in the QB and overall offense, I put Rice ahead of Austin, but only by the length of a football. 

Percy Harvin is only going to get better, but if he continues to miss games because of migraines, I can't see him being a top 10 receiver.  I think he is easily a top 15 guy, and guys ahead of him like Michael Crabtree, Dwayne Bowe, and Hines Ward won't match his production because of quarterback issues.  If you play in a league where individuals get special teams TD's and not defense/ST units as a whole, Harvin's value goes up even more.

If there is a guy that is really flying under the radar for 2010, it's Bernard Berrian.  NFL.com says the reason his production slipped and he's no better than a #4 option on the team is because Favre developed chemistry with Harvin and Rice, which is true.  But why did he?  It's because Berrian was injured, remember?  Berrian was the #1 receiver going into camp last season, promptly pulled his hamstring, and never really got it going.  Oh, he had flashes of the deep threat speed he showed in 2008, but I can't remember BB ever just cutting loose last season.  Add to that an on-again, off-again case of the dropsies, and you can see why he would be placed so low.  But if healthy, I easily see Berrian in the top 30, and arguably top 20, and a 900+ receiving yards 7 or 8 TD season well within reach, which is what he produced in 2008.  Oh, and he also did this.

TE:  Visanthe Shiancoe (10):  Yeah, that's about right.  Shiancoe is a big time red zone threat, which increases his value, but he loses catches and yardage to Harvin and Rice, which drops his value.  The guys ahead of him get more yards, but he gets more scores, so I can't say that I can find anything too terribly out of whack with the ranking. 

As for defenses and kickers, to me they're all a bunch of meh.  Defenses really can change from year to year with personnel turnover, and kickers are...kickers.  There's a reason you draft kickers and defenses at the end of your fantasy draft, not the beginning.  Now, some random thoughts.

--Daunte Culpepper has fallen from grace faster than Helen Thomas.  Was it just over 5 years ago we were talking about DC as a legitimate MVP candidate, and now he's in the UFL?  Wow.

--So, professional athletes (and good friends) Visanthe Shiancoe and Darren Sharper act like they're 12 over the social medium Twitter and there's actual, legitimate outrage?  Really?  Is it me, or is this way too much about nothing?

--EJ Henderson and Steve Hutchinson should both be good to go for training camp as they bounce back from off-season surgeries to fix injury.  As bad as Henderson's was for the defense, Hutch's was as critical to the VIkes alarming drop in offensive line production last year.  To show how bad Hutch's injury was and how it affected his play, I turn to my new favorite stats site, ProFootballFocus.com.  In 2009, Hutchinson's overall rating was -7.9 (zero is considered average).  Pass blocking was rated at 10.7, run blocking a staggeringly bad -17.1.  In 2008, he was 23.2/6.0/17.7. 

Yeah, I think it's safe to say that Hutch was really bothered by that shoulder.

Well, that's about all for now.  I'm glad to be back, and you'll see me regularly again for the forseeable future, like it or not. 

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IT’s almost time!!!

Favre + 3 = ❼ = Vikings= 2009-2010 NFL Champions= New Stadium=Greatest Fans and Team!

by UnBannedVikingholic on Jun 7, 2010 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

wow

solid breakdown

smoke em' if you got em'

by Torch24 on Jun 7, 2010 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't find out exactly what the injury was

But he says it really affected him in run blocking.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children what it was once like in the United States when men were free." ~ Ronald Reagan

by Ted Glover on Jun 8, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

goosebumps.....

I’m already gettin the chills for fantasy football! Seems to me like Shiancoe should really be higher, he’s no doubt a stud even though he finished 16th in yds but 2nd in TE TD’s for the year. Very nice breakdown.

by TheBengalAbroad on Jun 7, 2010 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Rookie steal

Toby Gerheart for some short yardage pounding and few scores himself.

It may take a village to raise a child, but it takes a Viking to raze a village.

by Luft Krigare on Jun 7, 2010 11:27 PM CDT reply actions  

It is Toby Gerhart. I oopsed that one.

It may take a village to raise a child, but it takes a Viking to raze a village.

by Luft Krigare on Jun 7, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahead of Favre are the usual suspects (Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rivers) two one guy I can live with, albeit grudgingly (Aaron Rodgers), and two guys that I just can’t get on board with, Tony Romo and Matt Schaub.
  1. in the league in attempts, completions, and passing yards, #5 in TD’s… yeah, I’m gonna go ahead and say I’m ok with Schaub being ranked pretty damn high.

If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal

by TheViking83 on Jun 8, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

that should read "#1"

damn auto-formatting.

If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal

by TheViking83 on Jun 8, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

My reasoning is this

One season out of three where he has played all 16 games as a starter, but that’s not factored in, and I feel it should be. Everyone expects Favre to break down, but he never does.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children what it was once like in the United States when men were free." ~ Ronald Reagan

by Ted Glover on Jun 8, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

When does Fantasy start?

And who has a league that I could join?

I have never done this before, but wish I could.

I was too late to join last year.
And since I am near the internet all the time, I would be able to give it full attention.

by Deek on Jun 8, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry man no one with a name that starts with a D can play.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jun 8, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I blame

Darren Sharper for this!!!!!!!!@!!

by Deek on Jun 8, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fantasy starts any time before the season.

You can create a league any time at NFL.com and choose your draft date and league options any time you want. I just got back into it last year and it was really fun. Already joined one league the guys at CSC started but would like to join another with more Vikings fans in it.

by CanadianViking on Jun 8, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

i should have a spot for you.

i’ll let you know before we start.

I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.

by IABerserker1 on Jun 8, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...

Sweet! someone that allows a guy whose name starts w/ D

Any idea on when it starts? Should I shoot you my e-mail? I just want a league hopefully with Vikings fans in it.

It really helps a guy learn more about other teams too, and that’s always a plus.

by Deek on Jun 8, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol, yeah, we allow guys whose name starts with D.

as soon as i figure out how to do this, i’ll put up the info and whatnot on here for you.

I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.

by IABerserker1 on Jun 8, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I’ll be keeping an eye out for that..

by Deek on Jun 9, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Got the e-mail

Did the draft…

Hope I did alright.

Hind-sight: I think I should of spread the players around team-wise better.
Lots of Vikings & that will mean bad for the bye week

by Deek on Jun 9, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got the invite

First time doing it.. Let’s hope I did alright…

by Deek on Jun 9, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm Glad

Fantasy talk has begun. Favre better than Brady? I wouldn’t go that far. Put Brady behind center for the Vikes and were laughing just as hard. Brady can make all the big throws, but usually keeps his mistakes down.

Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!

by VikesPma on Jun 8, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Not so sure about that

Maybe if he brought Welker with him. He needs an underneath slicer, and as big of a Percy Harvin fan as I am, I can’t see him in the league too long. Anyone who has chronic migraines can attest to that. I’d take Farve in the Vike’s system anyway. BTW, fcuk the Patriots.

by ballin504 on Jun 8, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Migraines

It really does suck when I guy can’t get over an injury or ailment and is always probable week to week. I’m sure Percy is frustrated, but hopefully they can find something to mininmize them in the long term.

Just saying Brady is pretty good and I would be just as happy with him as our starting QB. How did Brady do before Welker got to New England? Three Super Bowl’s. He is not all Welker.

But yes sceeew the Patiots.

Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!

by VikesPma on Jun 10, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Daunte

didn’t fall from grace so much as from one of the most freakish knee injuries in the history of the NFL.

by KC Viking on Jun 8, 2010 9:03 PM CDT reply actions  

First , After Brett retires is when Aaron will be better than Brett . Until then Rodgers needs to win a playoff game, a big game , a division championship game , a game that Brett is in . It is like admitting that if you take Brett and Aaron out of the equasion . By far the Vikes are the superior team . Right ??? Since Aaron is so good , yet can’t win a game with Brett . Hell he lost to Tarvaris !! When Aaron has Brett’s winning % then we can enter a realistic discussion . Did you forget the 09’ sweep !!! Or are you all just blocking it out . Aaron needs to get ready to struggle his way into the playoffs . That O-line needs more than one 1st rder to keep up . If Driver’s knee starts him out slow the first 4 weeks this team will fall on it’s face . Too many 30 + year old guys to limp thru the year with . Let’s not forget the #1 defense . Spearheaded by a drug dealing Nose tacke ! Wow , and you thought the Love Boat was bad .
      Second , A healthy Berrian will suprize a lot of fans this year !
             Third , Shank is only a top 10 with Brett retired . With Brett you will see a monster out there this year . This team should have addressed a second down field TE in the last draft (5-6th) as Sausser is coming to the end of an era .
     Lastly , High character is the key difference between the Vikes and it’s competitors . Peyton Tom and Brett will always top this list . When Brett’s daughter writes his book a lot of the facts will come out . GB will hate the storm of questions . Brett will single handedly put the Packer organization on their Knees . Similar to what I did to Achme ! As their Editor is afraid to answer my questions . With the thumping they will take again this year I guess I can see why such half hearted fans lost their will to respond to this obviously superior team . The team won’t say it so I will state it for them !!!
    Doc Goth is on the prowl !!

by gothicpurple on Jun 11, 2010 12:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Dude, your obssessed with the Packers. I don’t think I’ve seen a post from you where you don’t mention us.

by packallday555 on Jun 11, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

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