What if the Vikings were Vikings FC?
Hey, did you know the World Cup starts on Friday?! It's in South Africa! They used to have bad laws but now they're a good country thanks to Nelson Mandela, those political guys that formed a soccer league in prison, and of course Matt Damon's rugby team! (Editor's note: Statements may not be historically accurate.)
Of course you know about the World Cup, whether you like it or not! ESPN has been shoving Bono and the commercials with that guy from Blood Diamond down our throats for months now. I'm sure a lot of you are sick and tired of all the soccer talk getting in the way of your Vikings offseason news, but I have a confession to make.
I, Eric Thompson, proud Daily Norseman blogger and lifelong, die-hard NFL fan...have always loved soccer.
There, I said it.
I've been playing since I was five. I played soccer in high school instead of football--and I didn't even try out to be the football team's kicker! I played soccer all four years of college and even coached for a few years after that. I still play year-round in men's leagues twice a week. I have to admit: I love a perfectly placed crossing pass from Landon Donovan to Jozy Altidore just as much as I love a perfectly placed fade route from Brett Favre to Sidney Rice. A U.S. goal in the World Cup gets me up and shouting just as loud as a Vikings touchdown in the NFC Championship.
After you're done ridiculing me in the comments section (I know you guys won't let me down there), hopefully you'll read on to see why our Beloved Purple footballers and the world's premier "footballers" have a lot more in common than you may think. It'll be fun, I promise!
Of course, I could have taken the easy way out with my NFL-integrated World Cup preview. There are 32 teams in the World Cup and there are 32 teams in the NFL. "Hey, I know, let's compare each World Cup team to an NFL team to educate the non-soccer savvy!" Well, that has already been done. A lot. I'm pretty sure most of you can figure out "Algeria sucks, just like the Rams!" on your own. Besides, who cares about the other 31 NFL teams right now? This is a Minnesota blog dammit! If I'm going to commit blasphemy and talk soccer, I might as well mix in some good old-fashioned homerism right?
So instead, I'll compare how some of the Vikings' elite players share traits with some of soccer's best:
E.J. Henderson and Didier Drogba: Both guys can cover all sorts of ground on the field. They are the main cogs of their respective units, and without them on the field both the Vikings D and the Ivory Coast are much worse off. Unfortunately, Henderson and Drogba have a knack for breaking bones at the most inopportune times. Want proof? Here's Henderson's leg in the Arizona game that kept him out of the last part of the 2009 season and Drogba's arm that might keep him out of the World Cup.
Antoine Winfield and Iker Casillas: They ooze experience--the Vikings DB is heading into his 12th season and the Spanish goalkeeper is entering his third World Cup. Neither is necessarily flashy, but you wouldn't want to depend on anyone else on their squads to come up with a big stop when you need it. Winfield is the anchor of an otherwise iffy secondary, and Casillas is depended on to cover Spain's defensive mistakes. If the Vikings and Spain want to make it to the promised land in their respective sports, these guys must be on top of their game.
Adrian Peterson and Lionel Messi: At first glance, this comparison makes absolutely no sense. AP is built like a brick...um, outhouse, and Messi is probably about the size Peterson was in seventh grade. But both of them are arguably the best in the world at what they do, and they are definitely the best in the world at pulling off "holy crap he did not just do that" plays in their sport. The hopes and dreams of every Viking and Argentina fan rest squarely on these two, which means AP better stop that fumbling and Messi better score a whole bunch of goals in the next month.
Brett Favre and Thierry Henry: These two were a match made in heaven--both are coming to the end of illustrious careers. Favre (at QB) and Henry (at forward) have been considered among the best at what they do for a very long time. And of course, nobody is more universally despised by fans of teams other than Minnesota and France. I'm pretty sure I don't need to cover why so many people aren't fans of the Gunslingin' Grandpa in this space. And just ask anyone from Ireland how they feel about Henry's handball goal that knocked them out of the World Cup. (Then duck, because something will be thrown at you.)
Pat Williams and Oguchi Onyewu: Three words: big ass dudes. "Phat Pat" and "Gooch" are immovable anchors in the center of their respective defenses. You better go around 'em, because you sure as hell ain't going through 'em. Only thing is, nobody's certain how much they'll play--Williams for the Vikings because of the ridiculous Starcaps case and Onyewu for the U.S. team because he's coming back from a major knee injury.
Jared Allen and Cristiano Ronaldo: Again, a silly comparison when you first look at the two. Ronaldo's a world-class whiny pretty boy while Allen's a world-class awesome redneck. But hear me out here. They're both among their sports' elite. You have to know where each is on the field at all times or you're in big, big trouble. And they both make terrible decisions involving women. Allen cut off the most amazing mullet in the world for his fiancée, while the Portugal superstar hooked up with STD factory Paris Hilton. Yeesh.
Jim Kleinsasser and Franck Ribery: These two don't play anything like each other, but holy hell could they both win an ugly contest. Just look at these two!
Well I hope that was a fun and maybe even somewhat educational experience for you soccer noobs out there. Even if you can't stand the World Cup, at least we'll be less than a month away from training camp when it's over!
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Kleinnsasser is Gonna Kick Your Butt!
That comparison is just sooooooo wrong.
He has no neck
One of those guys you don’t want to meet in a dark alley.
I believe all Viking fans must be masochistic!!
Actually, neither of them
If Americans think guys like Ribery are wusses because they play soccer, they don’t appreciate how physicla the game really is. Or, in the case of Ribery, that his background is actually very blue collar, soccer is not a “college game” around the world like it is here. I’ve read about his background, and it sounded like he fought in many alleys in his life.
Oh my
There is very little the same about soccer and football. I have the utmost respect for
soccer players for their stamina, much like hockey, non stop moving for the most part.
The problem with soccer is that it is so frickin’ BORING! I can take two or three naps
in between goals. The reason a commentator will yell Goallllllllllllllllllllll for two minutes,
is that he’s so excited to finally see one. At least football has the promise of being
exciting on every play. I respect soccer, I even coached one year at 12 and unders but,
as a spectator sport, just plain sucks.
Expectations don't produce!
Sorry, you won’t get any agreement from me here. Put 20 random soccer players in a brawl versus 20 random football players and guess who’d win.
Now, if you replaced those soccer players with rugby players? That might be an entirely different story. That sport is MMA with a ball.
The post was who YOU don't want to meet in a dark alley
Not them meeting each other. No offense, but knowing nothing about you, I’d take the odds that Franck Ribery could beat the crap out of you just about as well as Jimmy K
Ha!
While I would probably end up losing to both, at least I’d have a shot with Ribery. I’m pretty sure my fists would literally bounce off of Jimmy’s face.
Kleinsasser is from UND too!
Yet another reason for Eric (a NDSU graduate) to pick on Kleinsasser.
Bingo!
I had to watch him trample my beloved Bison when I was in college, so the least I can do is poke fun at his looks :)
by Eric J. Thompson on Jun 10, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
NDSU grad?
I was up until this Spring Semester a MSU-Dragon. Couldn’t find time to get classes to fit into my schedule.
Why Soccer isn't King in America
Sure, lots of people played soccer when they were kids, but why isn’t it more popular?
One word: BORING
Soccer and golf are probably the two most boring sports to watch, even if people say they like to play. People in the USA don’t want to watch a game where a bunch of guys kick a ball for 60 minutes and finish with a score of 1-0. They want hitting, they want excitement, they want to see scoring (since that defines success).
Is the NFL perfect? No. Needs some changes or it will run down in a couple of decades. The players have gotten too big, too fast, too well padded. Makes injuries not just more common, but more serious. Reduce the padding and you’ll see less hits that cause injuries, because quite honestly with all the pads you can hit a guy, hurt a guy, and never even feel it yourself. There’s little negative feedback.
You should watch a game of Australian Rules Football sometime. That’s a fun game to watch.
NOTE: not hating on soccer. It takes skill and fitness way beyond my capability to play. Just stating the “why” it’s not as popular as Football.
A game that ends 1-0 in soccer
would be a game that ends 7-0 in football. Yet most Americans would not call that boring, they’d call it a well-fought defensive battle. I have no clue as to if you’ve ever seen a game in person, but doing so myself changed the way that I view the game.
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by David Taylor on Jun 10, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Fans like 7-0 scores?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
No they don’t. They may say they do, but the fact is that the rules and structure of the game have been designed to avoid low scores. This is the key; watch what the rules and structure of the game drive, not what the fans say.
And yes, I’ve watched soccer. The fuel-up fans in the stand were far more interesting than the game.
Did I say like?
Of course we’d prefer high scoring football games? So would soccer fans, and hockey fans, and baseball fans. My point was, and still is, that most American fans are quicker to call a 1-0 soccer game boring over a 7-0 football game.
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by David Taylor on Jun 10, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't mind 1-0 games
What I hate is 0-0 games. Or 1-1. Or 5-5 for that matter. I simply can’t stand a game going to penalty kicks.
I really, really, really hope that this Cup does not end anything like the last one, where the championship game was marred by the nasty combination of the Zidane head butt & the need to go to penalty kicks.
The Zidane red card is kinda an equivalent to the 12th man penalty, to put things in Vikings terms. France looks back on that game just like we do: “If only that one inexplicably stupid thing does not happen, then I think we would have probably won without even going to OT/penalties (respectively). Instead, we handed it to the other team on a platter.”
The tie...
Although I’m personally okay with it, I do get that argument. I like how the graduated point system and I’m a big fan of relegation… something I’d love to see implemented in the U.S., although there’s just not enough teams/finances/support to do so.
I also like how other places do the league play. Every team playing every team at both home and away, and the points at the end decides the winner of the league. No need for playoffs. And more importantly no need for excuses, because everyone has the same schedule.
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by David Taylor on Jun 10, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
At least PKs are fair
Unlike the current NFL OT platform. No coin toss is going to determine the outcome of the game in a soccer shootout.
Erm...It's more popular than football actually,
…just not in America. In fact, from what I can find it has roughly 8 times as many fans worldwide at the moment. The reasons for a sport being popular is much more complex than simple single opinion on whether it is boring or not, it’s socio-political and historical. Cricket (!) is the second most popular sport in the world from the statistics I can find (thanks in large part to Indian subcontinent), so that should say something! ;)
(not hating on either sport, I’m a bigger football fan than I am soccer fan, even though I’m English).
Anything which encourages the sublime gets my vote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVLRMWjHa0U
Yeah, but... Who cares?
Vegemite is a lot more popular in Australia than the USA, but so what? Good for them. We aren’t them, we don’t want to be them, and that’s ok. They have the right to be who they are, and we have the right to be who we are, and in the United States, the only reason that soccer has much foothold at all is because the media in general thinks we should be more like Europe.
Personally, I don’t much care about soccer’s popularity or lack thereof. I’m not a hockey fan, or a baseball fan, or a basketball fan, but neither do I take issue with those sports (except when they cut into NFL football time).
As for complexity…. it has nothing on football, as a team sport. That’s why football will never be played on an Olympic level, it’s far too complex for most of the world to be able to field credible teams unless they’ve been playing it for years.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Well...
I was replying to a specific point regarding the size of a sports fanbase being dictated by whether or not it is deemed ‘boring’. Which is patently not true. I don’t much care what’s popular and what’s not, it has no baring on anything, but I’d rather people appreciated the reasons for this rather than just discarding it based on personal experiences.
it's more popular than non-fans want to admit
Is it still a minority? Yes, no question. But the popularity of soccer has risen considerably in the last 10 years, and that is not just media manipulation. The ratings for soccer games, and the attendance for domestic games has increased steadily.
The reason that soccer has a foothold in America is because it is a great game that combines grace, power, speed and immense skill. And while Americans like to think they have a monopoly on athleticism, many of the best athletes in the world play soccer.
Soccer will continue to gain more and more in the future as more people learn to appreciate it (and as our immigrant population continues to grow).
USA is good
The main reason its gaining popularity is because we’re a credible team now. We used to be pretty bad. I’m sure if USA had a horrible team it wouldn’t be nearly as popular.
Hey, you shouldn't knock cricket!
I lived in England for a spell and went to a cricket match with an English friend (well, one day of it anyway — it lasts like 3 days). I never did quite figure out the rules, but I did discover that it was an EXCELENT excuse for getting drunk (actually, that may partly explain why I couldn’t figure out the rules!)
One should try everything once.
Cricket is AMAZING.
For anyone that hasn’t seen any of it, watch the Indian or South African teams play here.
by i_am_pure_barbarian on Jun 10, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
If only I knew the rules!
I’ve been intrigued by Cricket for years, but I seriously cannot get how it’s scored. I’ve even watched a couple matches—I think I’m still trying to compare it to baseball too much.
by Eric J. Thompson on Jun 10, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
The scoring is actually rather simple.
6 points if they hit it out in the air (similar to a home run)
4 points if they hit it to the boundary. (thus, the objective of the fielders is to stop it from hitting the boundary)
Any other points scored is determined on how many times the batsmen run from one wicket to the other.
One side will bat until the number of overs (pitches) has been fulfilled, or the number of wickets (outs) have been taken.
by i_am_pure_barbarian on Jun 10, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Not knocking it at all :)
I played cricket for my home town for about ten years when I was a teenager. I love the game and can safely say that nothing has ever hurt me more than being hit by a cricket ball (on various occasions).
Boring is subjective
Soccer isn’t boring if you know what’s going on and like the sport. I’m sure there are a lot of people out there who think football is boring because they don’t know what’s going on. I don’t know if soccer will ever be as popular as football in the US, but it’s not going to be because it’s boring, just that it’s not as popular.
by dthompson on Jun 10, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The most exciting soccer game I coached was a 0-0 tie that ended in a shoot out!
I coached boys high school soccer and I can guarantee anybody that played or watched that playoff game remembers how exciting it was. There were quite a few great scoring chances by both teams, but either the keeper came up with a big save or the defense did. Of course the boys team from Alexandria remembers it more fondly than the Elk River team does, because we won it in the shoot out!
Yes
Especially in a tournament setting (vs regular season), there’s nothing like the last 15 minutes of a game tied 0-0, but both teams having had opportunities. You can cut the tension of hte feeling “One good shot, or even one good pass wins this game” with a knife.
Even the Mexico – South Africa game yesterday, which moved pretty slow &t went to half 0-0 and finished 1-1, was pretty tense at the end. The 0-0 Franc Uruguay game even more so (it moved a lot faster, among other things).
AP is more like Rooney.
Surely?
Good luck on Saturday night btw – you’re gonna need it! I’m gonna be watching the game from here (if there’s any room to move): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/10256435.stm
Rooney...
is by far my favorite player.
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by David Taylor on Jun 10, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I was considering Rooney for the AP comparison
Because both guys have no problem running around you or through you…but Messi is the only player that fit the “OMG” plays as well as AP does it.
by Eric J. Thompson on Jun 10, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, seems fair enough
AP is a bit like Matt Le Tissier, but with athleticism i.e. the ability to run rather than jog.
(old school reference there – check out his YouTube vids if you aren’t familiar).
:)
Doesn't work
Adrian Peterson is a decent guy and can actually be introduced to your family without cussing at your mom. But for arguments sake…
Comparison:
When you shake AP’s hand, you need the jaws of life.
When you shake Wayne Rooney’s hand, you need latex gloves. And he’ll probably kick you in the junk.
Good luck to you England. You will need it to keep 11 men on the field.
Not entirely true...
Wayne Rooney wouldn’t cuss your mother…unless she’d already asked him to talk dirty to her. ;)
It’ll be interesting to see how England handle this World Cup. They’ve probably got the best manager in the tournament and expectation is soaring. I fully expect maximum disappointment (after penalties of course)! Such is our way :)
I have to agree
England have a strong squad and a top notch manager. But I think expectations in the UK are a bit overblown. At best, England is 5th best in this tournament. Spain, Netherlands, Brazil and Argentina have to be considered better teams, particularly with the recent injury to Ferdinand.
Yeah, pretty much
Though I’m not sure about the Netherlands, on paper at least, but they’re a team that generally over-perform and have a good big-match attitude (similar to Germany in that respect).
Dude I for one appreciate this post
I to played soccer since I was five and still follow Bayern Munich to this day.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
After you’re done ridiculing me in the comments section (I know you guys won’t let me down there) …
I hope that was just some “writing flair” you put in there, and you really don’t believe that liking soccer puts your “manhood in question” or whatever!
Seriously, I hope there isn’t anyone here that would ridicule “true” football (aside: I’ve always wondered why the american sport is also called that, when the only couple guys whose feet actually touch the ball are called "special teams players …)
If that’s the case, so be it. I’m personally kicking off World Cup by watching Mexico vs. South Africa tomorrow night. If that makes me some kind of ninny, then … well, so be it!
Outstanding post.
Although your Allen/Ronaldo comparison is a bit of a reach to me. Ronaldo’s not even a defender, he’s an attacking midfielder, whose arguably the best player in the world. He has the potential, and the hardware, to end up being one of, if not, the best to ever play the game. While I totally respect Allen (Bears fan here), he doesn’t hold Ronaldo’s jockstrap.
That said, I loved the Peterson/Messi, Winfield/Casallis, and Favre/Henry comparisons. Spot on, in my opinion. And Ribery is one ugly mother, but that dude can ball.
Williams for the Vikings because of the ridiculous Starcaps case
I’m a writer over at WCG, formerly known as smudgers – yeah the guy who lost a bet with Robert Rence and had to sport a Vikings profile pic last year. That said, I do a weekly photoshop and this weeks is about the very issue above. LINK’ers >>
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Great Photoshopping as usual, but...
The NFL really needs to drop it. How many times does the court need to shoot them down before Goodell accepts the company was in the wrong, not the players?
by Eric J. Thompson on Jun 10, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Allen/Ronaldo isn't that much of a stretch...
While they do play opposite sides of the field, they both statistically dominate at their positions. Allen in sacks and Ronaldo in goals – both glorified feats in each sport. And they both have some pretty good celebrations after, too.
Don't get me wrong.
I’m not challenging the skillset of Allen. He’s been top-five in the league in sacks the past three years. That’s hard to overlook. But Ronaldo is much more than a goal-scoring machine. The stuff he does with the ball, the tricks, the free kicks, the passes, headers. He excels at almost every aspect of the game – even flopping.
The celebrations thing I’d give you, no doubt. I actually like Allen’s, even if it does piss me off sometimes.
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by David Taylor on Jun 10, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
but there's also this
Ronaldo is an annoying pretty boy and Allen is the definition of a blue collar player. I agree that the comparison is flawed but for that reason, not talentwise. Which brings me to…
Allen’s 3 consecutive seasons with 14+ sacks puts him the company of 2. Only he and Reggie White have accomplished that. I’d say that makes Allen and Ronaldo pretty comparable in positional supremacy.
p.s. After the last 2 seasons, how can you think Ronaldo is better than Messi (much less Pele, Maradona, Zidane, etc.)? Ronaldo is great but he won’t even be considered top 5 when his career is all said and done, much less best of all time. Throw in the fact that he won’t win a World Cup and he might not even be considered top 10.
Messi is great, no doubt.
And I did say arguably. Although, Christiano won a lot of hardware two years ago in United. He also piled up a lot of awards, including the FIFA World Player of the Year award. Which of course, Messi won last year. In my opinion, these players are one and two, the order is somewhat subjective. Do you consider Jared Allen as one of the top two players in the NFL?
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by David Taylor on Jun 10, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Top 2 defensive linemen, I'd say yea
Easily. You have to qualify it somewhat. GK’s can’t be compared to strikers and mids can’t be compared to defenders. How do you compare Maradona to Peter Schmeichel?
Then say this...
if you were to start a team, and were allowed one player to be the face of your organization. How many players would you pick before Allen? Same question with Ronaldo?
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by David Taylor on Jun 10, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a fair question
Ronaldo would be, at best, 50th on a list of players I would want to build a franchise around. When you’re talking about building a winning team, there is more that goes into it than who has the most skill. Ronaldo has tons of skill but I hate everything else about him and wouldn’t want his influence on my team. II’ll sum up why I wouldn’t want Ronaldo in one question. Do you think Ronaldo would still be playing soccer if he had a scar like Ribery has on his face? If you think he would, you underestimate his vanity.
But i know what you’re getting at, and I still think it’s not a fair question. Scorers are considered more important than defenders in soccer, just like quarterbacks are considered more important than defensive linemen.
Look at all this intelligent soccer banter!
So proud of you guys :)
by Eric J. Thompson on Jun 10, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Depends where he is
When Ronaldo was at Man Utd a few years ago, scoring 30-35 goald a season from midfield, I’d have taken him over Messi. But that was 2006/2007. I wouldn’t make the same decision now! :)
Would his skill go away...
if Ronaldo had a scar? You seriously think that that he’d just walk away from the game (and the millions of dollars / and the supermodels / and the lavish lifestyle / and the adoration) because he wasn’t “pretty”? I think your hatred is guiding your opinion. Just wondering… Chelsea fan?
Personally, if I were building a team I’d desire to get the best damn offensive lineman that I could – I’m an in the trenches guy. However, that being so, I still wouldn’t pass up on Payton Manning, Tom Brady, Adrian Peterson or a Chris Johnson to do so. Some guys are just game changers, which is what Ronaldo is.
Personally, I think the more fair comparison would be Peterson. Both have sick skills and amazingly quick feet, both make defenders look outright stupid the majority of the time. Both are lethal attackers that can win games by themselves. Both can, when off, be the cause of their team losing. Both are somewhat pretty boys. This comparison, to me, is dead on.
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by David Taylor on Jun 11, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
For clarification...
I’m not saying Allen can’t single-handedly change the outcome of a game. Just not on the level of or with the consistency of the other guys that I mentioned (and a few that I left off).
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by David Taylor on Jun 11, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I do believe that actually
Cristiano Ronaldo could be found yesterday wearing dark shades and a diamond-encrusted baseball cap deliberately pulled low to conceal the gash above his right eye, inflicted by a flailing elbow during Manchester United’s 1-0 victory over Roma. Typically, he wore the stitches like a fashion statement. “It’s not a problem,” he said. “In four or five days I will be beautiful once again.”
First of all, this is something models say, not athletes. But more to your point, a disfiguring scar would cost him millions of dollars in sponsorships, the supermodels (they certainly aren’t interested in him for his “personality”) and no small amount of adoration. Those things alone would be enough to effect his play on the field, but throw in the serious blow to his ego/vanity and I honestly believe it would devastate his career. When you’re as shallow as he is, it isn’t hard. Ultimately, I don’t like the idea that my franchise player is one crazed fan attack or one car accident away from becoming worthless.
And no, I am not a Chelsea fan (not a huge fan of anyone in the Premier League actually). I love Ronaldo as a player but hate the way he plays (basically the way he lives, self absorbed, wussy and cocky) and despise him off the field. Purely on talent, he is one of the best players in the world. But I can’t stand his antics on the field and his behavior off of it.
To give some idea of where I’m coming from, my favorite players are Leo Messi and Kaka, both of whom overcame tremendous difficulty early in their lives to become world class players. They are better players and better people for it. And those are the kind of players I want on my team.
I disagree...
completely. But then again, all I’m going off of is speculation (as are you). I would say that OchoCinco would make a similar type of comment though, and it sounded more in jest than anything else.
Purely on talent, he is one of the best players in the world.
sounds a lot like…
whose arguably the best player in the world.
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by David Taylor on Jun 14, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
holland
Dutch team will win this year.
by allday28 on Jun 10, 2010 8:27 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Definitely the most fun to watch
I love watching the Dutch play—they’re like the Phoenix Suns of soccer, down to the orange and everything. After the U.S. is inevitably eliminated, I’d like nothing more than a deep run by The Clockwork Orange.
by Eric J. Thompson on Jun 10, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I watch Holland in some tournament two years ago this month, June 2008
Had three weeks off & ended up spending it in the mountains of central mexico, part of the time kicking my feet back in a restaurante, watching futbol. Can’t remember the name of the tournament (there were actually two running simultaneously I think), but yeah Holland’s games were the most memorable to me, I found myself cheering for them.
That was Euro 08, the European Championships (great tourney)
Holland, Spain and Brazil are all tremendously talented. If an American who doesn’t like soccer wants to give it a shot, I recommend watching one of those 3 teams this year (or all of them). They all score a lot and carry some stacked rosters.
sadly, i bet the real reason it's not popular is beer and automobiles.
because you can’t show thirty crappy advertisements for each during a soccer match. and as long as Big TV isn’t totally behind it, it’s never gonna have a chance here.
by johndough on Jun 10, 2010 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed.
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by David Taylor on Jun 10, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Solid point
Most soccer telecasts are wonderfully commercial free during the action these days, which means sponsors won’t be willing to shell out the millions for advertising they would for football and other sports with lots of stoppages.
by Eric J. Thompson on Jun 10, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats why you get creative
Soccer advertising is all about the sideline ads (which are ALWAYS visible, like a real life scroll on the top of the screen) and, of course, on the jerseys.
so you watch football?
If you want non stop exciting plays, the only sport for you is basketball. Every other sport is more about watching the lead up to an exciting play (especially football, soccer, baseball and hockey).
non-stop play...
…until you get to the last 2 minutes. All those time outs at the end of games in basketball cut into that non-stop action.
Got nothing against soccer
There is a lot of skill required. The problem is the field is to big. Way to much back & forth.
I’ve watched for ten minutes at a time without any threat of a score whatsoever. 3,4,5, good passes & then it gets broken up. Then it’s the same thing back the other way.
I'll keep the ribbing to a minimum but....
I have to make a couple of comments. Ribery’s (assuming he’s French by his name) teeth make a succinct argument against public health care.
Johndough nailed it. Soccer broadcasts not being larded up by commercials limits it’s commercial viability in the US.
Also Soccer is still viewed as a foreign sport in the US. Until several American’s dominate the sport at a world class level "we" won’t care. Heck Americans even pretend to care about the Tour De France and Olympic Swimming so long as “we” are kicking ass.
"If God had wanted man to play soccer, He wouldn’t have given us arms"
-Mike Ditka
BLASPHEMY!
Blasphemy, I say!
Just kidding. I’d give you credit for a well written article (which it was), but I don’t know anything about soccer, other than guys run up a field, kicking a ball, and no one ever scores.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children what it was once like in the United States when men were free." ~ Ronald Reagan
I love it
I am a huge football fan but soccer is favorite sport #1b. It combines finesse with power, speed and quickness with subtlety and guile. It balances individual creativity and improvisation with team strategy. Even the most ignorant American will admit that the game requires a tremendous amount of skill. Communication and teamwork are critical when you don’t get a time out. It truly is a beautiful game.
It is one of the most clutch sports there is (you try scoring on a free kick with 20 seconds left and the entire nation watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0GESlaVNdE), and is run with totally foreign concepts in American sports (running clock, no time outs, no sudden death OT, no commercial breaks, short games) which I find appealing. And no, faking injuries to draw a foul is NOT a foreign concept to American sports. Just ask Paul Pierce.
As I said earlier, if anyone reading this wants to know what the fuss is all about with this soccer thing, this is the time to find out. The Netherlands, Brazil (obviously) and Spain are the most exciting teams to watch heading into this World Cup and I recommend watching a couple of games from any one of those 3 teams. They are extremely skilled and should feature a decent amount of scoring and fancy footwork/passes.
If individual skill is more your thing (and it will be everywhere this month), Argentina and Portugal feature the most exciting players in the world in Lionel Messi (Arg) and Cristiano Ronaldo (Por).
Thanks Cobra!
You’re obviously a very knowledgeable fan, and I couldn’t agree more with your take. Glad to see there are more soccer fans than I thought out among us Vikings fans!
by Eric J. Thompson on Jun 10, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahhhhhhh, yes
I remember exactly where I was and who was in the room when Beckham scored that goal. It’s worth noting that it was to secure a place in the European Championships.
:)
*world cup finals
It’s way too early in the morning for me. :/
What if the Vikings were Vikings FC?
- then the vikings would be gay.
- the fans would still be stoopid drunk.
- would we get jipped out of the coin toss?
- the score would be….wait a second, what score.
- rhys lloyd would probably prove to be a good pick up.
- there would be no stats to toss around and act smart with.
- bryant mckinnie would get in shape with all that running around.
- jared allen would still be make sure that a hockey game breaks out.
- tino lettieri would come out of retirement and be the next gump worsley.
- if loadholt-o scored, then we would have to watch him take off his jersey and jiggle around.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Apparently it's ruining America...
WARNING: The following article contains only PURE FACTS, thoroughly researched by an individual of requisite mental capacity. You will not, at any juncture, find anything pertaining to blind prejudice, entrenched naivety or subjective opinion:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123680101041299201.html
One of the less offensive excerpts, but one that shows just enough ignorance for a bit of a chuckle: “…and the margins of victory are almost always too narrow to afford any gloating”
Surely it’s not too hard to research this stuff, you know, as a journalistic responsibility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Firm):
“The Old Firm rivalry fuels many assaults on Old Firm Derby days, and some deaths in the past have been directly related to the aftermath of Old Firm matches. An activist group that monitors sectarian activity in Glasgow has reported that on Old Firm weekends, admissions to hospital emergency rooms increase ninefold over normal levels.”
Soccer has a nasty tendency of taking gloating ‘way’ too far. I’m not condoning this behaviour whatsoever, but simply using it to illustrate the crushing stupidity of the guy who wrote that WSJ article.
Mnnneh. :(
you didn't take that article seriously, did you?
i read it as sarcasm and an attempted parody, trying to portray the attitudes that the author sees
in many others regarding the sport of soccer. i took it as toungue in cheek. i could be wrong.
but, it’s in the opinions section, i think he is just trying to get a rise.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Hah...
Erm…I read it at work, whilst in an already bad mood. If it is parody then I guess I should applaud it – satire only works when the majority of people don’t realise it’s satire.
egg —→ face
:)
Soccer
Soccer is a blast to play, and watching a game from the sidelines or up close is very exciting. Watching from a distance, or on TV is another thing entirely as the viewer seems to lose the physical nature of the game.
I prefer “American” football easily, but soccer is pretty cool up close and personal.
The Minnesota Vikings - Undefeated in the Playoffs at Lambeau Field!
Watching Soccer
I have an odd relationship with Soccer – I love the sport and really enjoy watching it (in fact, I’m going off out to buy pizza for when some friends come over tonight to watch it, once I’ve finished this post), but the fans really irritate me. It might have something to do that my local clubs are Crystal Palace and Chelsea, but I just find them impossible to talk to about a game. Boorish and moronic if they win, hateful and biased if they lose, they get right on my nerves. I suspect that if I lived in some parts of the US, I’d have the same problem with football!!
Tonight’s game should be interesting, the US team have excellent chemistry (particularly their movement off the ball) and great athletes, but they don’t have that game changer player (in my opinion) of someone like Rooney (or Joe Cole if he plays in the middle of the pitch). My feeling is that the US will dominate position (~55% to England’s 45%), but lose 2-1 to a scrappy goal, and a goal from nowhere. Not hating on the US, just how I think the match will go. (By the Way, you remember what I said about Palace and Chelsea fans being boorish and moronic, that’s nothing on how the same imbeciles act when England win. I want to see England win the cup… but I really don’t want to see the fans if we do…)
Was pleased to see a mention of Matt LeTissier above – He is the definition of a game changing player, but his career finished (due to old age) before the premier league started to get coverage in the States. This is the best quality video I found on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-cK0nShbh8&feature=related
The commentary over the top is in Spanish, but at least the footage is watch-able. Most of the videos of him are really grainy and jumpy. Watch to the end for a few other special strikes
When people watch soccer, do they watch the player with the ball? This was something I realised a while ago, I glance at the ball player, but mostly look to see what is happening around him – who is closing him down, who is moving in to space, who is marking the moving players. The person above who said that Football is much more tactical above is right on a team level, but wrong on an individual level. Soccer offers much more scope for players to freelance (particularly in Holland’s “Total Football” era), whilst an NFL player for the most part has a clearly defined role on any given play. I love both sports (and will be taking photos of my local American Football team the “London Cobras” when we play on Sunday afternoon), but for different reasons. Soccer has amazing fluidity, whilst football has these intense tactical battles and brutal hits.
(and to go really off topic, I’d say Cricket is a great sport, but you need a reason to get in to it. My family are cricket mad, mostly hailing from Kent, but if I was foreign or grew up in a house that didn’t like the sport, I would miss so many of the games subtleties – a maiden over (i.e. the bowler bowls his 6 balls and the batsman fails to score on any of them) at the start of a one day game or 20-20 match is an amazing achievement, but it looks like nothing has happened. It’s only when you know that the other team would be looking to score 10-20 runs at that stage of the match that you appreciate how well the bowler has done. It’s kind of like appreciating the stops in a Football match where if you know the game, you can see the personnel changing or get why a timeout has been called. If you don’t, it’s another pause in a game that already has lots of small stops)
CORRECTION: “…dominate possession”, not position. Really should wake up before posting on the internet….
by ViolentSilence on Jun 12, 2010 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions
i can't believe i just spent 2 hours watching kickball.
so, if you roll the ball at an englishman, he helps to push it in the net?
oh yea, neat sport.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I can’t believe you watched that entire game — especially the second half, which was actually much better than the first even though no goals were scored in it — and that’s all you came away with? Oh well.
no, i also came away with a head ache from all of those kazoos the fans were blowing.
the real problem though, was that i could never figure out what inning it was.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
i also came away with a head ache from all of those kazoos the fans were blowing.
Now there’s one thing we agree on!
By the way, that’s just a weird South Africa thing, every country’s fans have different things they do in the stands. In Mexico they do the wave. I the US they fall asleep. In England they make noises by slamming fists into neighbors’ faces.
lol
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Stupid babies need the most attention!
by David Taylor on Jun 14, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
just to prove my appreciation for this "beautiful sport"....
i’ll even post a video to commemorate this victorious tie game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUnU3B6WsJ4&feature=player_embedded
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
...but it's all good, cuz nobody won...yeah!!!
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Those of you who think this is just "kickball" and don't care
this morning you missed one of the most tense, nailbiting soccer matches that I’ve seen in a while, USA vs. Algeria It was just like the NFC championship game, down to the wire (into extra time even), except a better outcome.
If you watched that and still said you were bored, I don’t know what’s wrong with you.
Go USA!

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