More Lingering Questions for Training Camp
So on Thursday, I went over questions 1-5. Now, let's go 6-10. If you have any more questions, let's hear 'em!
6. Can the secondary hold up?
The secondary has been springing leaks for a couple seasons now, and attempts to plug them have been mixed. Madieu Williams was signed as a free a couple of seasons ago, and his performance has been below average. Tyrell Johnson took over for Darren Sharper, and Johnson has not lived up to expectations, either. Antoine Winfield has fought off some nagging injuries, and is starting to show signs of age after six stellar seasons in purple. His counterpart, Cedric Griffin, blew out his knee in overtime of the NFC Championship game, and it’s doubtful he’ll be ready to begin the season. The Vikings did draft CB Chris Cook, signed free agent Lito Sheppard, and re-signed Benny Sapp. If he can stay healthy, Winfield has one or two good years left, and Chris Cook has looked impressive in rookie minicamps and OTA’s. It all hinges on the play of the safeties. Both Johnson and Williams played well in 2008, so I don’t think it’s a question of talent. There were free agent and/or draft options available at safety, so the coaching staff doesn’t think it’s a talent problem, either. I can’t support moving Winfield to safety, because the CB position is so unsettled with Griffin’s injury, and I still believe Winfield can be an impact CB.
7. Has AP fixed his fumbling issues?
I’d like to think that a guy with the talent and work ethic of Adrian Peterson, the answer will be an emphatic yes. I’m not trying to minimize the effect of a lost fumble on an offense, especially inside the opponent’s 10 yard line, right before halftime of the NFC Cha—sorry, never mind. As Vikings fans, we’re hard wired to look at the DOOM aspect of something, and we’ve done a pretty good job of elevating Peterson’s fumbles to the detriment of the rest of his talents, which quite frankly is ludicrous. To put his fumbling in perspective, he has 20 in 915 career carries; Walter Payton had 30 in 846. Granted, he can’t keep fumbling, but it isn’t Ragnarok, either. He’ll fix it, and make the rest of the NFL pay in 2010.
8. Can Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin repeat 2009?
With Favre throwing the ball, yes they can. It was great to see Sidney Rice emerge, after flashing brief glimpses of his talent in 2007 and 2008. He became a legitimate #1 receiver, and helped Favre have one of his best seasons. He just recently revealed he has a hip injury that’s kept him out of the Cris Carter off-season death camp; I think I’d cut off a foot to keep from going, but that’s just me. For Harvin, he has shown the ability to score whenever he touches the ball, and the only thing keeping him down is his migraine headaches. They really tend to knock him on his ass, which is more than NFL defenses can do. I hope he finds relief, so he can keep causing headaches for the rest of the league. They are the most dynamic receiving duo in the league, and have the potential to bring back the glory days of Moss and Carter.
9. Can EJ Henderson and Cedric Griffin make it all the way back?
For me, the low point of the regular season was the Sunday night debacle in Arizona. EJ Henderson had a Joe Theismann moment, and the team was clearly deflated after seeing it happen right in front of their bench. Jasper Brinkley played admirably in Henderson’s place, but losing the defensive captain had an effect. Griffin’s injury was overlooked because of the magnitude of the moment in time and the consequent ending of the season, but it is still just as significant. A knee injury to a cornerback can be tough to come back from, especially one as bad as a torn ACL. Henderson sounds like he’ll be back, but if he can’t, Brinkley should be able to do the job. I’m not sure you can say that with certainty about the CB depth if Griff can’t make it back.
10. Can Bernard Berrian be the deep threat he’s supposed to be?
Prior to last season, I thought that Berrian was the best receiver heading into training camp. Although Sidney Rice really emerged, Berrian still has that deep threat that Rice does not, and the veteran’s knowledge that Harvin does not yet possess. Berrian suffered a hamstring injury early in the season last year, which in a way was a blessing for Rice and Harvin, as they were forced to step up. But if you add the 2008 version of Bernard Berrian to this offense, it can challenge the 1998 team in terms of explosiveness. A healthy Berrian puts even more pressure on a stressed defense, and adds a dimension that was largely missing last season. There’s no reason to believe that he can’t return to form, and if he does, look out.
As I look across the landscape that is the Minnesota Vikings, I see a team with one more serious run in them. The defense is one year older, but they are not devoid of talent. If the safety play can bounce back, and a couple of key guys can bounce back from injury, this is a championship-caliber team. I thought the schedule was a tough one when it came out, and I still do, but I also believe that this team is as good as any, and can beat anyone, anywhere, in any conditions.
My Dad and I were all in last year, this year we’re doubling down for one last run.
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I agree the Viking have a good shot. Even without Brett. But a much better chance with him playing. I can’t wait for the season to start. Go Vikings
#6
I don’t think Chris Cook is going to see the field very much, I would expect to see more of Asher Allen. Antoine should be healthy, and with Jamarca Sanford nipping at Madieu’s heels, we should see a boost in his performance.
Even though Madieu didn’t shine, he was one of our top tacklers in ’09.
#7
I was initially skeptical at the heavy ball that AP has been practicing with, I thought it was a terrible idea.
But the more I think about it, the more I realize that it is likely VERY difficult to keep a ball that heavy secure when he swings his arms out like we are used to seeing. So I am pretty sure that ball will make him have a habit of keeping it high and tight, rather than swing it out like he likes to do.
#8
I think both Rice and Harvin will have great years, and Berrian should have a resurgance assuming he doesn’t have lingering issues from his hammy.
Rice’s hip injury worries me, but it did not seem to affect him much at the end of the season last year.
Even without Brett, they will likely have a great year considering Tjack will be more confident with their ability to come down with the ball. He won’t be afraid to throw those jump balls to Sidney, and harvin can come across the middle much better than Troy Williamson.
#9
EJ, yes. He has had much more time to heal than Griffin, and there was no ligament damage so I am very optomistic.
Griffin, on the other hand, likely will play the entire season at around 80%. Considering he has to give recievers a 10 yard cushion while healthy, he is going to be a bit of a liability.
#10
Absolutely.
Berrian is not the fastest guy in the world, but he can outrun most of the corners in the NFC north. That and his abiliity after catching the ball is very impressive. As long as he is able to practice the timing routes at full speed, he will be very good this year.
Nice recovery ....
6. Frazier , Frazier , Frazier ….He got a high draft pick and vet . Know get to work !
7. Gerhart ,Gerhart , Gerhart …AP can rule between the 20’s where he belongs .
8. Berrian , Berrian , Berrian…More catches and sightly less yards as Berrian goes deep
9. Rotations and preparation for the playoffs are the keys to their success .Early is better
10. How much confidnce can Brett install in him ??? His speed will help Harvin too .
Future extensions are #1 too me . That is where our future is !!!!
On the one year left comment...
After retirents next year . We will have the money to reload and add depth in the draft . We have a great future ahead . QB is not a problem . The triangle will reload . McNabb ? Draft ? Or other options ? We are far from a one hit wonder . Remember that !!
excellent job defining the crucial questions
One thing that keeps me generally confident is the return of Frazier. He’s going to be a great head coach I believe.
Adrian – it seems like guys with fumbling issues diminish them by holding the ball high and tight and using 2 hands when they are swarmed. Don’t know, but its going to be an opponent focus, so he better do whatever.
Concerns
6. The Secondary – Assuming Winfield and Griff make it back, it’d be hard for the secondary to be much worse than it was last year. There’s a chance that Tyrell will be ready to step up, and Madieu was looking better in the playoffs than he did the rest of the year. Just maybe, they’ll all be doing better than they were. If not, let’s not forget Asher Allen and Jamarca Sanford, I think both of them are champing at the bit for a chance crack the 1st string. Cook… I don’t know. I hope he’s going to be what Chilly seems to think he is… There’s just so much unknown about the secondary, it’s difficult to even guess what the shape of it’s going to be by the start of regular season.
7. AP and his buttery fingers… well…. hopefully he’ll do better. That’s all we can do. He says he’s going to work on it, and I agree with all your sentiments. It wasn’t the number of fumbles, it was the circumstances, and the fact that other teams are keying on him to strip the ball.
8. I think Rice is for real. I think Harvin can be, but he has to be utilized correctly, and that means getting him the ball when he has some wiggle room to get his mojo on. If the Vikings can’t make that happen, Percy isn’t going to produce very much.
9. The status of E.J. and Griff…. They say EJ’s progress is very good… my concern there is that even before his injury against the Cards, he wasn’t playing up to the level he had demonstrated in 2008 prior to his injury that year. If he gets injured in 2010, that will make 3 years in a row; tough to overcome. As for Griff… fingers crossed.
10. Berrian. No. He looks fast, but seldom is he actually able to outrun anyone. If Jaymar has his breakout year in 2010, they should trade Berrian before his contract runs out, get something for him.
I’m probably being too nitpicky, this is the squad that many folks feel should have hoisted the Lombardi last year and if they can field the same level of capability as they did last year, they stand to go at least as far as the NFC Championship. I would have liked to see the Vikings take more aggressive strides to shore up whatever weaknesses they have in the offseason, but there wasn’t much of that. This leads me to believe that the Vikings staff feels they’re ready to go in 2010 with what they have, in the expected condition by the start of the season.
I hope they’re right.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I'm not sure if you've seen this or not.
“http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/98105884.html”
Long story short:
Both M. Williams and T.Johnson have been working overtime. They’ve been working out together, and both reported to L.Fitzgeralds WR camp.
Good news I guess. We know their game couldn’t get much worse than last yr’s performance.
I expect to see some improvements in the Safety position this year.
Interesting..
If we can credit Sidney Rice’s break-out year to the Fitz’s WR camp…
Imagine what it’ll do to help our secondary?
I read an article somewhere where a guy predicted a break-out season for Sidney Rice and figured M. Williams would have a break out season this year.. I wonder if he is using the L. Fitz WR camp for the reasoning…..
We can give some credit, for sure.
Year three is usually when receivers have their breakout year, unless you are Randy Moss.
I think the combination of the LF and Cris Carter camp (don’t forget about Carter, it is his experience that shapes the camp), the arrival of Favre, the fact that he had recovered from his MCL sprain and the fact that it was is third year all had a good part in his breakout.
Didn’t I also hear that Tjack was going to attend as well?
Camp with Carter and Fitzgerald certainly wont hurt these guys. :)
Like you, I’m absolutely thrilled to hear about this. I’m not only excited that their training with Carter and Fitz, but I’m excited that these guys are training together, and learning to communicate with each other.
I’m wondering if Williams didn’t lose his confidence when he broke his neck. (I don’t blame him if he did) He seems reluctant when it comes to tackling. He was choosing bad angles all year. Maybe playing last year with no injuries will help shed some of that fear he’s carrying around.
Johnson is just lost. He hasn’t had much guidance since his arrival. He showed a lot of confidence and potential during his rookie year, but he was absolutely lost last year. Maybe this will be his breakout year.
We cant give Fitz and Carter all the success that Rice had last year….or can we? :)
He certainly learned a lot with those guys, but I think that working through the off season was key. Favre should probably get a little credit too. Everybody played better with him running the show. P.Harvin was a nice addition as well.
With all that said, I’m just happy to hear that there’s still a little hope for our secondary :)
SKOL
That's a good list
Not sure how to respond to your analyses though. Pretty much every response to thee concerns comes down to your faith that the problems won’t materialize, not reasoning per se. Hard to say much either way about that, except … I’m right with you, brother :)
I’m personally reassured though that you state that you’re nervous about the CB depth situation (#6 and #9). I felt kinda lonely beating that drum here before the draft, while everyone else was bemoaning not grabbing Clausen or some other QBOTF in the draft threads, I was sitting almost by myself saying, what about the CBOTD (Cornerback of Today?) That was my biggest disappointment of the draft, no action there. I guess we (FO) decided Lito would be enough.
CBOTD--no action there ??
That is whe we took Cook..And at position they drafted, Cook was as good as anyone else left at that time…And I for one, would have loved to have seen Clausen or McCoy drafted. Giving either of them a yr to learn under Favre would have been a great learning experience for either of them.

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