Who Will Win The Battle For The Third Running Back Spot?
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We're only a couple of weeks away from the start of training camp, and while the uber-talented Vikings might not have a lot of overwhelming roster drama to take note of, one spot that is going to make folks take some notice is the battle for the third running back slot. Now, prior to this April's draft, this could have been the battle to see who was going to back-up the NFL's best running back (that Adrian Peterson fellow). However, the Vikings' selection of battering ram Toby Gerhart pretty much took care of that, as it's understood that Gerhart is going to be Peterson's primary backup. However, there are a quartet of folks that are going to be vying for the right to be the third running back, and they all bring different strengths and weaknesses to the table.
So who are these gentlemen, and who has the best chance to be that third guy? Let's take a look at the candidates.
Albert Young - 5'10", 210 pounds
Career Regular Season Numbers - 12 carries, 53 yards
It's only fair that we start with the incumbent in this race, and that would be Albert Young. He finally got his first NFL carries last season after languishing on the Vikings' practice squad for a couple of seasons, tallying two carries for 13 yards in the victory over the Cincinnati Bengals and 10 carries for 40 yards in garbage time of the season-ending blowout of the New York Giants.
The fact that Young has stuck with the Vikings for as long as he has obviously means the team likes him, and as the incumbent, one would have to think that he's the favorite to retain the job. Unfortunately, he's still a bit of an unknown quantity at this point. . .we don't know a lot about his running style, nor do we know a whole lot about his ability to pick up blitzes or things of that nature. We do know that in two pre-seasons with the team, he's carried the ball 79 times for 268 yards (3.4 yards/carry), but that was largely done running behind guys that are currently bagging groceries or selling insurance or something. It isn't a stretch to think that he could do better behind a starting NFL offensive line.
Ian Johnson - 5'11", 210 pounds
Career Regular Season Numbers - N/A
Coming out of Boise State as a rookie, Ian Johnson was pretty much known as the guy that scored the winning points in the Fiesta Bowl, and then proposed to his super-hot cheerleader girlfriend after the game was over). And after his first year in the NFL. . .well, that's what he's still known as. Johnson didn't tally a single carry last year for the Vikings in the regular season.
From all accounts, Johnson and Young are a lot alike. . .they're both smallish backs, and they're both taking time to adjust themselves to the NFL game. However, the Vikings had this choice to make last season, and when faced with the decision of whether to put Johnson or Young on the 53-man roster, the team chose Young. That, along with the increase in competition at the position, tells me that young Ian has a bit of an uphill climb to make the big club this year. The odds are better, I think, that he ends up on the practice squad for another year.
Ryan Moats - 5'8", 210 pounds
Career Regular Season Numbers - 204 carries, 831 yards, 8 TD; 20 catches, 127 yards, 1 TD
The "old man" of the group, Moats is going into his sixth year in the National Football League. He originally came into the league with the Philadelphia Eagles in 2005, where he played for two years. After missing the 2007 season, Moats played in Houston the past two years. Last year for the Texans, he carried the ball 101 times for 390 yards, good for second on the team in both categories. . .Houston had one of the worst rushing attacks in football last year. . .and four touchdowns. He also put together the Texans' best rushing performance of 2009, as he carried 23 times for 126 yards and 3 TDs in Houston's 31-10 triumph over the Buffalo Bills.
Moats is obviously the most proven commodity in this race, which could be both an advantage and a disadvantage. Yes, the coaching staff already knows what he's capable of, and by that same token they know that he doesn't really have a lot of room for growth. As they say, he is what he is. He falls under the same heading as the other backs in this race, in that he's on the smallish side and would be used as more of a change of pace from Peterson and Gerhart. Will his experience and his familiarity with the offense give him the edge to make the team?
Darius Reynaud - 5'9", 200 pounds
Career Regular Season Numbers - N/A
Hey, remember this guy? Yes, the Vikings talked of their intention to move Reynaud to running back early in the off-season, and to my knowledge that's still how they plan on using him. Reynaud has spent the last couple of years being used as a return man, but has shown some receiving skills in pre-season action. He played a little bit of running back in college at West Virginia, but he's quite a ways removed from that.
It's entirely possible that Reynaud has the most physical talent of the four players on this list. That being said, he has the farthest to go to be a viable option at the position. Yes, we know he can catch and we've seen what he can do in the open field. But he has more to learn about blitz pickup and hitting holes and things of that nature than the other three players on this list do. He has the talent to be on this roster somewhere, and I suppose it's possible that the Vikings could move him back to receiver if he doesn't work out at running back. . .we'll have to see how things shake out.
So, who do you folks think is going to back up Adrian Peterson and Toby Gerhart this season for the Vikings? If I were a betting man, I personally would have to say that the Vikings will stick with Albert Young. Moats is a solid possibility, Reynaud is a bit of a darkhorse, and Ian Johnson projects as a long shot. Feel free to discuss it below, and enjoy what's left of your weekend!
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Reynaud has the most upside in my opinion because of his diversity. Return man I’m sure has taught him how to hit the hole, he can fill in at receiver for example of Percy has a headache. Overall having someone that can play three positions is much more appealing than just a position player.
+1
Very good point. Young said he thought he was ready to back AP up, but there can be a world of difference between optimism and reality. I like Young, would like to see more of what all these guys can do, but I think you’re dead on about Reynaud. If Reynaud can show that he can block and catch, I think he’s a lock.
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I think it could be about "change of pace"
Reynaud is the only one of these guys who’s got electric running ability. If he can be an average blocker I think he pulls it off.
I'm with you on that.
I like Reynaud because out of all of them he runs the most unlike AD. He’s a fast-agile guy who will make people miss him with his speed and moves. I like that kind of change up. However, I think Moats is a shoe in, unless Gerhart is much better at picking up blitzes. I think that’s the only reason we picked him up is so in case we have no one who can block for Favre back there we can still get him protection.
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W/O Westbrook . AP,Toby,Reynaud,extra FB .
My best scenario is…
Westbrook takes a reasonable contract and sits at third
Moats fourth
Reynaud back to 5th WR
Webb to 3rd QB w/Sage trade (4th in 2011)
G.Lewis …???
I liked Ian but the #’s game is vicious . PS maybe .
I am just not seeing Moats as the guy. Remember when DE Mike Montgomery was signed earlier this off season and a lot of people seemed to think that meant Edwards was about to get traded? That won’t be coming to fruition and I see Moats in that same boat. He is a solid camp body, but unless there are some injuries I think it will be AP, TG, Reynaud, and Tahi as the four backs the Vikings go with this season (The 4 from last year were AP, Taylor, Young, and Tahi). Reynaud gets the vote because he has proven value on special teams and played RB in high school and at spots in college. I agree he needs to prove he can block out of the back field, but I don’t doubt his ability to run and catch the ball from the RB spot.
by vikingfuture8816 on Jul 18, 2010 6:17 PM CDT reply actions
I think it's gotta be Reynaud.
AD and Gerhart both bring power and natural running ability to our backfield along with decent receiving ability so they are obviously going to get the majority of touches. The few available touches remaining will go to our third RB and that RB should ideally be a change of pace from Toby and Adrian as well as bringing something to the table that our primary backs don’t have.
Young, Johnson, and Moats are all decent backs but none of these three excel in any one area. Reynaud is a good kick and punt returner and is explosive in space as a receiver. The other three backs might make a better #2 back than Reynaud as they are more well rounded but the #3 spot is more suited to his scat-back receiving skills and versatility. Another thing that adds to Reynaud’s value is that he is basically Percy Harvin light and can spell Harvin’s mutliple roles if his migraines act up which is something the other three don’t have the skill set for.
So here are my reasons for Reynaud being our 3rd RB.
-return ability makes him the best of the four for special teams
-can run the same plays Harvin can
-most explosive in space
-experience at WR offers play-calling freedom
-fits the scat-back mold the best
-is more of a change of pace back than the others
His drawbacks are
-unknown blocking ability
-inexperience at RB
See and I think the only reason they need a third back is to bring a blocker into the back field
AD has been looked down upon as a blocker and gerhart is a rookie. Moats is the only one with decent experience doing it. And when they picked him up they stated he was good at picking up blitzes (of course they say this about Gerhart as well) So since third string probably won’t play anyway, I see Moats being out insurance on Favre.
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We do know that in two pre-seasons with the team, he’s carried the ball 79 times for 268 yards (3.4 yards/carry), but that was largely done running behind guys that are currently bagging groceries or selling insurance or something. It isn’t a stretch to think that he could do better behind a starting NFL offensive line.
You neglected to point out that he was also running AGAINST guys that are currently bagging groceries or selling insurance. Running behind a better line helps but he’d be running against a much better line as well.
I was thinking the same.
You put a 2nd string guy behind a 2nd string line up against a 2nd string opposing line… Unless your putting up spectacular #s, your really not going to see much better when you have a 1st string line against a 1string opposing line. If anything, you’ll see those stats drop.
Very difficult question to answer.
Great article Chris. A real stumper of a question.
When we signed Moats here is what Rotoworld had to say about it.
The move bodes poorly for former Boise State star Ian Johnson, about whom we’ve heard no buzz this spring. Moats, 27, averaged a pedestrian 3.9 yards per carry with five all-purpose touchdowns in Houston last season. He is familiar with the Vikings’ offense, having been drafted in 2005 by the Eagles. Brad Childress was Philadelphia’s offensive coordinator at the time.
But last year we only carried three RBs plus a FB. With the hiring of long kicker specialist Rhys LLoyd there is no extra roster room for an added RB. We already have Percy Harvin as a “change of pace” back if an emergency arises.
So in my mind if Darius Reynaud shows any aptitude at the position I see his special teams talents as the overriding factor. He could be the most versatile athlete on the team playing two different positions and the return man. How could the Vikes afford not to keep him on the team especially when he can share duties with Toby or Percy.
But if any of the others show a flash of brilliance at the position in training camp I see that person winning the position.
It will be unfortunate to say goodbye to any of the present RBs on the Roster. But that is what has to happen when a team is as deep as the Vikings.
As an aside I think Albert Young qualifies for one more year on the practice squad ( as well as Ian Young) if he can get through waivers. He did play less than 9 active games last year which I think is the rule.
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Like Canadian Viking said
I think the favorite is Reynaud. He gives off a poor man’s Percy Harvin vibe, and if he can pick up the nuances of the blitz pickup and QB protection, I think the coaches want to get him on the field more.
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by Ted Glover on Jul 19, 2010 8:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Is that why they changed his position?
I keep asking myself why they want him as a RB. I don’t see a 3rd down back getting much playing time. I don’t see the 4th or 5th WR getting much playing time. I felt they moved him because he just wasn’t a better receiver than other 4th or 5th WRs available. So if he was to remain on the team he would have to beat out a RB.
It really puts Reynaud in a difficult position. If he is average at RB and someone else steps up as a punt returner then he could be gone. On the other hand if he is a valuable flex man playing three spots he could maintain a role.
Life isn’t easy for the bottom half of the roster.
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by lifelongvike on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
They changed his position because he really impressed them
playing as Reggie Bush on the scout team. I think he would be the best change of pace back because he is a different type of runner than AP/Gerhart. He seems to be very elusive in the open field much like Harvin. Maybe they don’t want to use Percy much as a RB?
He still has to block.
Don’t forget Chester Taylor’s claim to fame. The man could pick up the blitz.. Even a “change of pace” guy needs to do that.
I guess I don’t care which of the four make the cut. Who ever it is will have been the best in training camp and in the views of the coaches the “Best guy for the job”.
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by lifelongvike on Jul 19, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Toby took Chester's spot as the primary back up to AD
and maybe 3rd down back as well. Chester was used on 3rd downs because he was the better blocker and even though we didn’t always pass on 3rd down they probably felt more comfortable with him in there over AD because he could pick up the blitz better.
We hope your right about Toby.
I’m sure the FO wants Toby to take over the 2nd RB position. We won’t know the results until after training camp. But every RB has to pick up the blitz.
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by lifelongvike on Jul 19, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
They changed it because
the Vikings think he is a high impact guy. You can see he has talent and a knack for making a play when he returns kicks, but as the fourth WR, he wasn’t going to get on the field much. As a RB, which he played in high school, he might have an opportunity to get on the field more, and if he is as quick and elusive as Harvin, or close to it, can you imagine the possibilities? Who do you cover, Sid, Percy, Shiancoe, Berrian, or DR?
It may not work out, but it’s definitely worth looking at. I mean, if the Vikings can give Brock Lesnar a shot at DT, they can give DR a shot at RB.
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DR huh? Will he be writing the prescription for what ails the RB core? Is the doctor in? I don’t know if that is nickname that will stick, but definitely has some room to play around with.
by vikingfuture8816 on Jul 19, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't even think about that
I was just too lazy to scroll up to see how to spell Darius…which I just did.
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Hehe, I like it. Even if it was just because you were being lazy.
by vikingfuture8816 on Jul 19, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Loeber? or was it Lowber? I think I know who you mean, but he was cut long ago.
by vikingfuture8816 on Jul 20, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Moats 3rd stringer
He wasent brought in for more competition because there is enough already.
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I wouldn’t say there was a lot of competition as much as there is a lot of youth outside (and really including) Peterson. Having a guy like Moats helps push those younger guys who are on the bubble between the final roster and the PS and as long as those younger guys can show they have the want-to and upside, they will get the nod over a guy like Moats who is what he is at this point in his career. They certainly didn’t sign him to Rosenfels type money where it would hurt to simply cut him.
Don’t forget: Bobby Wade received a contract extension before camp last year and was then cut after training camp in favor of getting Harvin and Rice more time on the field.
by vikingfuture8816 on Jul 19, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Time will tell
Just a quick view, however I don’t know what Moats signed for… It does seem like A.Young has earned his shot.
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Well it depends on how well he can cover a blitz
I think if Toby covers blitzes well we’ll keep Reynaud if he doesn’t we’ll keep the guy who’s the best at picking the blitz up and releasing to be the escape clause.
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Toby
Seems like a quick study so hopfully he can pick up the blitz.
Regardless of the 3rd RB spot, if AP and TG stay healthy all year the competition is screwed.
Favre, even your agent has had enough. The drunken grillmaster, Buzz Cook, is getting too old for this.
Admittedly
You can’t have enough competition, but I really do think Moats could win the 3rd RB spot.
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Reynaud has the background
He was a RB in HS who ran for almost 1900 yards. Then moved to WR in college. Add this to return skills and he is most well rounded. His strong RB/WR background screams #3 back. The other guys all look like regular power #2 back but we all know Gerhart has that locked up.
I don’t know why they brough Moats in. He hasn’t been the same since breaking his ankle with Philly a couple years ago.
Competition
You can never have enough guys competing for an open position. It makes everyone work that much harder.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
No it wasn't because of competition
It was because Childress wanted another ex eagle.
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+1
No one knows which of the four competing for one spot will show that “flash of brilliance” in this years training camp. All four have experience (not rookies). Special team play, ability to block, ability to catch, knowing the playbook, and ability to read the ZBS all are needed skills from a #3 RB. It will be a difficult decision for the coaches to make.
Some teams are worrying about their #2 spot. We have set at the first two spots plus have Percy Harvin available. How deep is that.
Can you spell " a coaches dream" ?
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