Training Camp Opens Today!
And all I can say is: YES! I have to tell you that for me, this is the most eagerly anticipated season in about 10 years. The Vikings are a remarkably stable team, with all 22 starters coming back. In this day and age, that's almost unheard of, and that's both good and bad. It's good, because barring a training camp injury, we already know who's starting, and there are no key jobs up for grabs. The bad news is, with this forever of an off-season, about the only thing we have to chew on, at least right now, is who's going to be the third RB. If this is the highest profile job that's up for grabs as the Vikings settle into the dorms tonight, and everyone plays at the level they played at last season, we're going a long way this season, boys and girls. Let's handicap the 3rd string RB position.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Adrian Peterson and Toby Gerhart are 1 and 2 on the depth chart entering tomorrow. I know Gerhart could alide, but when you trade up in the second round to draft a Heisman trophy runner up, I think it's safe to say you have high expectations about him. So with one and two settled, at least hypothetically, let's look at the candidates for the third string, and possibly last RB.
What he has going for him: He's been in the offense since 2008, and according to Brad Childress, knows the offense cold. When the Vikings enjoyed some early season blowouts, Young got some time after AP and Chester Taylor called it a day, and he was respectable. He is also a favorite of the staff, who have repeatedly praised him for his work ethic and football smarts. He seems to be the early favorite, at least to the coaching staff, so he has a bit of a lead coming out of the starting blocks.
What he has going against him: For all his knowledge and familiarity with the offense, when given a chance he hasn't really impressed. He is a straight ahead runner, and his atleticism doesn't stand out on tape. His advantage over the other guys is his knowledge, but if someone can equal him in assignments and blocking, he won't beat them out athletically, and could be on the outside looking in.
What he has going for him: Experience. He rushed for almost 400 yards with two starts last year, and had a 3.9 YPC average. Moats was a quality backup for the Texans last season, much like the role Chester Taylor played for the Vikings from 2007-2009. Like Young, he is familiar with the offense, and unlike Young, is more of a known quantity in live game action. He has also vowed to do whatever is asked, and is a good special teams guy. He's the new guy of the bunch, but he is by far the most experienced.
What he has going against him: I refer you to the 'new guy' info above. There was something about him the coaching staff liked or they wouldn'tve signed him, but he still has to make the coaching staff comfortable with his abilities, and to do that, he'll have to stand out above the other guys. The other guys that have been around for a few years and have already built up relationships with the coaching staff. If he outplays the competition, he'll make the decision easy for everyone, but if he doesn't, it'll be tough to beat out the guys that have been on the team already.
What he has going for him: Reynaud has that hold your breath, or 'wow' factor athletically. It showed as a punt returner, and it's the reason the coaching staff converted him to running back. I liken him to a poor man's Percy Harvin, and I envision the Vikings using him much like they use Percy if Harvin needs a rest or when his migraines become problematic again. Out of all the back ups, he's the only one that approaches the versatility of Harvin, and with him in there, the Vikings wouldn't have to bypass the 'Percy Harvin chapter' of the playbook if Harvin is out. He is also the incumbent punt returner, and he's a good one, which makes his value even more important to the team.
What he has going against him: The Vikings have asked him to switch positions from wide receiver to running back, which could be a difficult transition in the NFL. Reynaud played running back in high school, but high school isn't the NFL. For the Vikings, the back up running back MUST be able to detect and pick up the blitz; if you can't, you're not going to be around long. I think he is the high risk-high reward guy of the bunch. If he can make the transition, he has the most upside from a pure talent standpoint, but he also has the biggest hill to climb.
Ian Johnson
What he has going for him: In some ways, there are a lot of similarities in Johnson to Albert Young. He's been around a whole year, he knows the offense, and he has had an opportunity to learn while on the practice squad. He doesn't do any one thing well, but a lot of things satisfactorily.
What he has going against him: In all that time, he hasn't been able to beat out Albert Young. The talent has gotten better, and unless Johnson really picks it up in training camp, I don't see him making it past the first round of cuts.
Personally, I like Reynaud, and I think he has a real shot to win the job. But we'll see how it all unfolds the next few weeks.
Can you feel it? It's almost here. Enjoy the first day of training camp, and the first one to hit the 'f5' key 1,000 times looking for updates gets a free candy bar!!
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Ted, you have no idea how excited I am for tomorrow!
A big thanks to you and the other writers here at the DN for everything you guys do. I’ve been lurking a bit more over the summer, (partially due to my busy schedule and partially because it’s a bit different on the site these days with all the new fans), but hey, I’ll be back in full force pretty soon. Looking forward to the season starting and some actual football games.
by i_am_pure_barbarian on Jul 29, 2010 10:14 PM CDT reply actions
Training camp still has some good storylines...
The 3rd running back job doesn’t seem to glamorous, but RB depth is a great thing to have. I think we have a nice stable of horses, it will fun to watch some competition there.
The QB spot is kind of intriguing as well. This will be my 3rd training camp watching TJack, he should know this offense like Pat Williams knows BBQ. Last year, I had some initial excitement when they brought Sage in (before Favreaggeddon was official) but after watching him in person I thought his arm looked incredibly weak. Wondering if I’ll come away with the same impression this year, and if he’ll even be on the field at the start. Also, Joe Webb at QB should be interesting to see in person for the first time.
The secondary, I’m curious to see where people line up, how they use Lito Sheppard and how he gets after it. I feel like he was a pretty underrated signing, especially with the injuries we’ve had at the CB spot.
Looking forward to another couple days down in Mankato, when I can get away. It’s always a good time.
The season has officially begun. Finally.
Looking forward to your eye-witness reports :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Good timed piece .
Gerhart is the only unsigned . My guess is 6/yrs with the delay . Brad did us proud with this pick ! Go Purple ! And keep the Camp stories coming ,
Rookie contracts
All rookie contracts are slotted which means Toby’s contract will somewhere between the 50th and 52nd draft picks. Only the top 15 draft picks get 6 year contracts Toby will get approximately 4 Million in 4 years with around 2 Mil guaranteed. Here is a list of all draft picks and their contracts so far. Expect Toby by the end of business today.
Draft signings & contract terms
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Jul 30, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I was hopeful with the five year prediction .
One million dollar jump from 4 which was last years value .
by gothicpurple on Jul 30, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The Vikings Backfield
This will be a great year to be a Viking fan. Adrian, Toby, Percy, Joe, T-Jack, Brett, and I predict Darius. 50th year will be great
SKOL
Training camp standout
It seems that every year one guy just steps it up in training camp. Whether that is from physical maturation or desire or experience. One of these three RBs competing for the last spot will have to put it all on the line. With Adrien and Toby we are set at the power back position. In my opinion this gives Reynaud the edge. Flexible, athletic, experienced, ST stud, and a great receiver out of the backfield. But if he can’t block then he can’t play on this talented team. We should know the answer to that during the first pre-season game.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
What a great 'problem' to have!
To have so much talent in a position that the competition for 3rd string is still interesting.
I think that D-Rey’s earned a spot on the team and he’s entering into what will be his ‘break-out’ year. While I like Young and Johnson, I don’t think either of them has shown the Vikings as much as Reynaud and Moats could very well end up just being another training camp body brought in to push the others.
Man, I can hardly wait for the news from the camp to start coming out, hopefully with pictures :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
It isn’t about what a player like D-Rey has done for the team. It is about what he can DO for the team. He isn’t a good enough WR to keep his job. He might be a good enough RB to keep his job. But he has to go out and prove that he is an NFL RB. Even though he never played the position in college. Considering all the hot shot college RBs that don’t make an NFL roster one has to consider it a tough position to crack.
Can you imagine his thoughts. “What. You want me to go out and be better at a new position than a two year back-up( Young) or a three year back-up (Moats). OK. Whatever the team needs I will try”
Nothing is tougher than earning an NFL job.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Jul 30, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
IMO
I think it’s brad’s was of flexing his roster to deal with the talent in hand . Indy goes w/2 QBs . Some teams have gone w/2 RBs . I see six CBs and six WRs by years end . PUP and IR will effect that .Reynaud is a slash type . He can sit in either position . Like you said . Based on his contribution . He is a special teams ace . Jaymar Johnson and Marko Mitchell could be a battle for the last spot . Call it 5 or 6 . As long as we retain the talent . GB has 6 DTs and 3OLBs .Weird . But based on the talent they would have to find a free agent with more upside than their 6th DT . You know what I’m sayin’
by gothicpurple on Jul 30, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
What have you done for me lately?
When I say that he’s earned a spot on the team, I’m talking about his kick returning. The only returner the Vikings have who’s done better is Harvin and Harvin’s used more on punt returns, not kick returns. That Reynaud can flex from ST to WR and to what some have suggested is his natural position at RB, gives him a lot of value. More, I think, than Albert Young. Granted, D-Rey could collapse in the preseason and be a total flop, anything’s possible. But based on what we saw last year, D-Rey is a solid performer. Albert Young is lackluster at best, and only plays 1 position.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Ian Johnson was a rookie last year, so he’s only been around since 2009.
Otherwise excellent points in the article. If they cut Reynaud (that transition is tough) who would return punts?
Thanks, fixed!
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
I know this is more about RBs...
but where is/how is Cedric Griffin?
I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...
active PUP
He can get off at any time but can’t return . 12 months is his accual recovery time (from late Jan. injury) . IMO he will sit from week 1- 6 weeks on the PUP . 10 is max . But only setbacks can cause this . Maybe the Oct. Packer game if not sooner . Lito has filled in in camp so far . Asher Allen rotated in also with the 1st team .
by gothicpurple on Jul 30, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Sidney scares me !!
He too is on the active PUP . If he had had surgery it was a six week recovery . It sounds like Hernia or labrum (Birk had that issue) . Just a guess . These injuries linger . It can effect his vertical and cuts if I am anywhere correct . Brad is consistant at lieing or misleading about injuries .
by gothicpurple on Jul 30, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Sid is starting to scare me too.
On PFT I just read that he says he’ll be ready for week 1 but he also said that 2 out of 3 specialists he saw recommended surgery.
by CanadianViking on Jul 31, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
ced griffin
cedric hired a personal trainer and has worked his tail off this offseason. he is determined to have a better season than he had last season. the 2nd half of the season he played some great football. don’;t think the vikings will bring him back too soon. i personally look for him to come back around the 3rd game. griffin is so motivated and works so hard. look for another solid season from the hard hitting corner. Go vikes!!!

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