A Moment of Zen
by Christopher Gates on Jul 3, 2010 9:14 AM CDT
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PrintOkay, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for me to level with everybody here. Things have changed around here, and not necessarily for the better. Some of you have said as much, and I've made every effort to deny that thus far. . .but there's really no point in ignoring it any longer.
This site should be held to a higher standard. Quite frankly, it's the best site of its kind on the internet, and a part of the best network of its kind on the internet. Prior to this past off-season. . .hell, prior to the last couple of months, to be honest. . .I would like to think that it has met that standard. However, a confluence of events recently has taken away from that. Some of them have been positive, some have been negative, and all have been of my own doing.
This must change and, quite frankly, this will change.
Positives first. . .obviously, there's the fact that I received a promotion at my "real world" job back in February. As anyone that's ever been in my line of work will tell you, such things don't just come with an increased paycheck, but with increased responsibility as well. As a result, my work hours have gotten longer, my spare time has become a bit less, and most days. . .to steal a line from Barry Bonds. . .I'm just tired. Working 13 and 14-hour days for the past 4 1/2 years without a lot of leave in-between is finally starting to catch up to me. Fortunately, Mrs. Gonzo and I leave for the West Coast in. . .*checks calendar*. . .26 days. My understanding is that the hours at our next assignment will be nothing like they've been down here at the schoolhouse, which I see as a benefit. . .more time for relaxation, more time to devote to the site, more time to devote to Mrs. Gonzo. . .all overwhelmingly good things.
The other huge positive was being given the honor of heading things up over at SBNation Minnesota. Make no mistake, our Minnesota-based sites here at SBNation are run by some damn fine individuals. . .if you're a Minnesota sports fan and you're not checking every single one of them every day, you're doing yourself a disservice. To be chosen from that outstanding group of folks to be in charge of a project like this, and to be shown that sort of belief from the higher-ups at SBNation, is honestly a pretty humbling experience. As I've stated on more than one occasion, four years ago I was just some schmuck with a personal blog that occasionally wrote stuff about the Minnesota Vikings. You know, in-between making posts about poker, professional wrestling, video games, and whatever else crossed my mind at any given time. To go from that to being a pretty significant part of one of the top 50 start-up companies to watch in America is pretty damn special, in my book.
My book. . .that's where things have gone off track a bit. For the majority of this time that I've been doing this site, my book has been the only one that's mattered. I focused on the site, put together the stories I wanted to put together, expressed the opinions I wanted to express, and wasn't terribly influenced by a whole lot else. However, I have unfortunately allowed myself to get distracted by what other people think. . .of the site, of the team, of me as a person, whatever. This simply can not be allowed to continue, and it will not continue.
Honestly, should the opinions of a bunch of 40 and 50-year old men that still possess a junior high school clique mentality color my view of the world in any way? Particularly when that group of 40 and 50-year olds are still bitter and angry over the fact that their "super awesome" defense and their "super awesome" young quarterback got humiliated twice on national TV by a team led by a guy that they were convinced couldn't get the job done any more?
No. . .after all, we're talking about people that still think there's drama over Brett Favre coming back to Minnesota and that he's holding the Vikings hostage. They're obviously clueless, and such things shouldn't be indulged.
(Once again, to review, there's exactly one Packer-based website on the internet that's worth reading regularly. . .they live right next door to us.)
Should I be worried about the fact that a group of fans just doesn't seem to possess the level of intelligence necessary to realize that Minnesota's NFL team is called the Vikings, largely when that team is coming to the realization that they've saddled themselves with the most overrated quarterback in the NFL and that their allegedly great defense is still talked about like it's great when, in reality, it hasn't even been good for three seasons running (and won't be good this year, either)? Particularly now that they think their savior is an offensive coordinator whose scheme hasn't been any good since he was coaching a two-time MVP quarterback, an MVP running back, a great WR corps and an outstanding offensive line?
No. . .such fans should be treated in much the same way the Vikings have treated their team for the better part of Minnesota's existence. As an afterthought.
Should I be bothered by people who cheer for a team that, knowing they couldn't beat the Vikings straight-up, were coached to go after a 40-year old quarterback with cheap shot after cheap shot, late hit after late hit, low blow after low blow. . .managed to luckbox their way into five turnovers. . .and still needed a field goal in the worst officiated overtime in NFL history to back into the Super Bowl over a superior team? Particularly considering that most of those "die hard" fans didn't do a whole lot while their slimy owner attempted to leverage the aftermath of the biggest natural disaster in American history into a move to Los Angeles?
No. . .because we know who the better team was. We know who the better team is. And, hey, we're talking about a group of people that used to show their "support" for their team by walking around with paper bags over their heads. Have we ever stooped to that level? Hell, no. . .we're better than that. And we've never been that thoroughly irrelevant for that long a period of time. Hell, in 49 seasons of football, the Vikings have only been under .500 13 times, and about half of those came in the first decade of the team's existence. . .what do we have to be ashamed of? Nothing, that's what. Not one damn thing. Despite what whining, hating, crybaby fans of other teams would attempt to lead you to believe.
Should those things bother me? No, they should not. Have they been bothering me? Yep, they sure have. And, starting today, this changes.
The Minnesota Vikings, trophy be damned, were the best team in the National Football League in 2009. I know it, you know it, and there are plenty of other people that know it. Quite frankly, they're the best team in the National Football League right now. And this site needs to get back to reflecting that. I'm pretty sure that it has in the past, and it's going to be that way again, starting right now.
Thanks to everyone that has stuck around. . .Training Camp is just a few short weeks away. I have been looking over the stuff that everyone has sent me that was interested in being a contributor to the site, and I should be announcing those new additions sometime in the next week or so. After all, with Mrs. Gonzo and I moving cross-country in a few short weeks, we'll be needing people to help Ted and Eric with updating things during camp and so forth. So, keep an eye out for that.
Off to get our dogs vaccinated, and then hopefully back with another update. Until then, keep enjoying your Saturday and the rest of your (hopefully) long, Fourth of July weekend, ladies and gentlemen!
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Very nicely said Chris
You’re human, I’m human. We all take offense to things when people blatantly say something or do something against something we care about. Whether it’s a loved one, friend, particular place or a team. It don’t help when you have one ignoramus e-mailing you with what would be threatening or offensive e-mails. It also doesn’t help when you have another calling you, this site or our team insignificant as well. Fortunately, I would say that 80% of the others are good people, rarely have had any bad instances with them. But the rest is what gives all of them a bad name, or bad rap. Or like some since Jan., letting a Championship go to their heads.
How quickly, as you stated, some forgot that their team was on it’s way to L.A., the city, not else where in the state of LA. I was watching that unfold and totally a gasped that their owner was trying to force things out of the state and city or “Else”. Especially after New Orleans was nearly decimated. Now, for some, that never happened, they’ve always been top rated, they’ve never been one of those fan’s to wear the bag over the head and so on.
So yes, while we didn’t get past the NFC Championship game, we lost 4 Superbowls, how many other teams out there can say they have had as much success as we have in the modern era of the NFL? Not many, even some of our divisional friends had long stretches of down time in the last 49 years. Hell, the team of the one that claimed us as insignificant only has had 19 winning seasons during that stretch. Other then a good run some 25 years ago, not much has been done lately other then a fizzled out blip a few years ago.
Cheap shot artist’s live everywhere. Should have seen the snickering and laughing I got down here wearing my Twins hat and jersey during the mid and late 1990’s. I do wear them going to the Triple A team ballgames here. Though that doesn’t happen much anymore the past 8 years. You can’t change what the minority, ignorant, unintelligent few will say, but we all have to be better then them, show alot more class then they could ever hope to attain.
"Over? Did you say over? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" "Germans?" "Forget it, he's rolling."
What a creepy gif.
Why is he clapping for something that’s slightly over my head and to my right?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 3, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Now you tell me....
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 3, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I like it!!
It is creepy however I Like for some reason!!
by greenbay packers backer on Jul 6, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Chris - I am happy to hear of your upcoming move and your reasons for optimism,
and I wish you all the best, but I am somewhat torn when it comes to some of your comments. Hell yes I think we were the best team in the NFL 2009 and still are, even though we all know that means nothing in the tournament… the best team frequently fails to win the championship – in all sports and competitions. I also admire the fervor with which you express your undying support for the team and for this site, and I hope that you derive genuine satisfaction from your efforts.
Still, I can’t help but feel that despite your realization that you shouldn’t care what other teams’ bottom-dwelling fans say or think, your tone suggests that you actually do… too much so in fact. Otherwise why would you use such inflammatory subjective language that insults even the intelligent respectful fans of our rivals who visit the site?
I understand that some of the above mentioned teams’ fans have bombarded you with obscene emails, and you surely should not have to put up with that behavior. I would think the best way to accomplish that would be to simply delete the crap and pay it no mind. The worse possible response is to acknowledge it in any way… that simply encourages more of the same, which is also what I think this post does.
Despite the fact that I seem to be perhaps the only Viking fan who feels this way, I have already gone on-record saying that I believe all of the whining about cheap shots and lucky breaks in the NFCCG to be crybaby BS that is way beneath us… we had 60 minutes on the field to do WHATEVER was necessary, and we failed. Anything else is nothing more than loser-mentality in my mind, and surely won’t carry our team to a championship.
There has been way too much acrimony between us and the other teams’ fans this off-season. I suspect this post will fuel more mud-slinging disrespectful morons firing insults and general stupidity. When I first saw this post I was hopeful that it would be a calm diffusing commitment to the high-road, but honestly… I am disappointed. It must be very difficult to care and invest so much of yourself for the team and the site and then still manage to NOT take things too seriously, but in my personal opinion that is a challenge that it would be good to embrace.
by Jshore on Jul 3, 2010 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 16 recs
And if it generates more mud slinging
Their comments will be deleted and, if I feel like it, the offenders will be banned.
Zero tolerance.
If people want to come over here and talk about football like big boys and big girls, then that’s wonderful. If they don’t, then they can spread their pollution and crap somewhere else.
It’s high time to take out the trash.
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 3, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with Jshore.
At first glance I was excited to be getting the old Gonzo back. However the more I read the more it sounded like the same angry Gonzo we’ve gotten over the past year.
To me, the best team is the team that won the Super Bowl. I think that teams SHOULD have been us. But we didn’t convert. The refs were outrageously bad, but that’s a part of the game we cannot control. What we can do is not fumble the ball 6 times.
But still, I’m hopefull things will improve for the better. When it comes down to it, this is just a sports blog. I had guessed that your personal life has effected your writing. Being a fellow Airman, I understand the stress you have to put up with. Good luck with your move; hopefully things mellow out for you.
I’ve seen what kind of blogger you can be and that’s why I’m still here. Ignore the idiot fans that hound us. Don’t respond. Ban and delete.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Jul 4, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Jshore.................
Despite the fact that I seem to be perhaps the only Viking fan who feels this way, I have already gone on-record saying that I believe all of the whining about cheap shots and lucky breaks in the NFCCG to be crybaby BS that is way beneath us… we had 60 minutes on the field to do WHATEVER was necessary, and we failed. Anything else is nothing more than loser-mentality in my mind, and surely won’t carry our team to a championship.
I disagree with that statement……………….
We as Viking Fans are entitled to whine about the 2009 NFC Championship Game, because it was an………………………….OUTRAGE!
There is NO CRYBABY BS here! There is only REALITY when WE talk about that GAME and how the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None was illegally beat the HELL out of.
REVENGE is coming Sept 9th……………….and NO ONE can stop it this time, NOT even the officials.
19-0 is a verry, very, very, very, very, very, strong possibility for the 2010 Minnesota Vikings.
I will be there to witness most of it in person……..can’t wait!
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 4, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you!
Appreciate the honesty. We all have to take a step back and look at ourselves once in a while. We are all human and sometimes stray to areas we shouldn’t. Hell, we are human and with that comes mistakes. As long as we learn from them is what is important….Good luck with the move and let’s get back to the best damn site on the Internet!
Been awhile...
I’d have to agree. I liked this site and posting here when it was smaller and there were less sleazeball trolls and fairweather fans. Unfrotunately, with success and popularity, those two groups flock.
My life changed, my job changed, and I moved. One of the first things I dropped having time for was this site. Maybe I can start coming back now. I hope so. I like sharing my opinion on the Vikings and reading what others believe. It had been very hard to do that the final month or so of the season and right after the Super Bowl ended.
Anyway, I hope to read and write for this great site again soon.
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
Yea...
I kind of faded away from the site once the Favre fiasco hit high tide. Though I have been back, and enjoying a few posts from time to time.
As good a quarterback he is, he is troll chum. Just like being in high school, the people who are jealous are the ones who talk the most trash. The internet just so happens to be an easy way to talk s$!& behind someones back without ever having to face them.
Manimal, we need your sword, we cannot battle without it. Do not forget us, even though your job needs you.
Gonzo/Chris, while I like the idea of keeping the conversations civil for the most part, half the fun of being a fan of a different team is talking a little trash. I would request that you do not go overboard on deleting posts or banning people.
I trust your judgment, but I am wary of becoming a site that does not welcome members from other teams even if the conversations start out on the wrong foot. If they are obviously trolling, and their previous posts on other sites confirm that, then I have no problem.
But if they are members of other sites who do offer some real input and intelligent conversation in their own realm, they should be given the benefit of the doubt at this site.
Also, I don’t suppose there is any way to get the SBnation folks to allow our content to load prior to the advertisements? Lately I have had to sit and wait for 10 seconds for an ad to load before I can even view the content on the site.
I’ve been mostly away too. I still check the site every so often, but I rarely post anymore. Too many posters here nowadays that I simply can’t stand. This blog has turned very childish and petty over the last 9 months or so.
Just wanted to post quick and say that it is good to see the name “Manimal” back again.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
Let's move forward
Well said, Chris.
And good to see you back, Manimal :)
I understand that during the heat the game, we all get caught up and the rolling commentary can get pretty heated. But outside of that, “trash talk” is just that; trash. It can be fun, but it can also get out of hand in a heart-beat, the moment someone takes offense. We used to call that “flaming”, and it typically comes to the same unpleasant end. The end of civility, of good-natured ribbing, of friendships that never got a chance to grow. The end of professionalism and competitive comradery. If I want to hang out with a bunch of trash-talkers, I can go spend time on yahoo-chat or ESPN chat, or a hundred other less pleasant places.
If votes are counted, Chris, mine is to hold trash-talk and profanity to a minimum, outside of active game threads. If you want to clean things up and let the DN be a family-oriented Viking blog that parents can feel good about their kids visiting, the trash really does need to be cleared up.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Agreed.
Discussion boards should have just that: discussion. You can argue, but it’s necessary to be respectful. When people start hurling “Viqueens” or “Fudge Packers” or whatever, it’s not worth my time. Talk about the game, about the players, and talk about the league; hell, argue about it to your hearts content, but there’s a line that needs to be drawn. School yard name calling is worthless, in my opinion. Nothing gets done.
That said, I love nothing more than talking football with Packer, Bear, and Lion fans. I absolutely love hearing from a rival’s perspective when it’s either in good fun or respectful.
It’s a lot to ask, I know, but that’s how the Daily Norseman used to be.
Hell, I’ll be a moderator. Sign me up. I’ll rock the boards.
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
by Manimal on Jul 3, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
couldn't have said it better myself
rec’d for perfection
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
"...mine is to hold trash-talk and profanity to a minimum, outside of active game threads."
Not sure why, but that reminded me of a Rowan Atkinson bit on one of his HBO specials. He was pretending to be a drunk father of the bride at a wedding rehearsal dinner. He stood up and started his speech by saying “Everyone at this table who is not related to me… can f*** off.”
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 3, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
With that in mind you have to hold the Viking fan responsable on the site as well
as visitors. Good luck with that mate. Congrats on your life though it looks like it’s right side up. I just hope you don’t end up biting off more than you can chew. Remember it’s just a blog and that in reality you have everything you need outside of the computer. (unless you can only watch the Vikes on the computer that is)
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Well said Chris! Good to hear you will be moving to the Best Coast as well. I have always tried to avoid posts of trolls and cheap shots artists because really they just want attention and acknowledging them gives them that attention. It can be tough, but clearly isn’t worth the time. I come here to talk Vikings and I find there are usually a great group around here even with the new popularity from the last season. Keep up the great work and we will keep coming back daily.
My kid hit someone a couple of months back.
He was 4 at the time (5 now). When I told him to apologize (after a lecture and a 15 minute time out), he walked up to the person he hit and he said “I’m sorry I hit you even though you deserved it.”
This post kind of reads the same way.
But whatever. I think this is the best team site on SBN. The articles are good. The comments are good. And the football talk is intelligent. And you guys show impressive restraint in not flaming every Packer fan that turns up. I noted a change in tone after last season and said as much, but it wasn’t that bad. It just took the site from awesome to pretty awesome. It’s not like it went completely off the rails. And I suspect if Chris wasn’t so passionate about his Vikings the site wouldn’t be as good as it is anyway. So even if it doesn’t change, or I get banned, I’m still going to read.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 3, 2010 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Vikings 24/7
Glad to hear it. It is what made this site the best in the biz.
I do appreciate the SB Nation Minnesota site also. A nice clearinghouse space for us Minnesotans who like a one-stop shop for sports news and opinions about all of our teams.
I noticed you changed your user name a while ago. I never did see a formal announcement of why. (not that it is needed) And it is possible that I missed it. But in the spirit of another Minnesota sports fan; can we call you “the blogger formerly known as Gonzo”? ;-P
Your fantasy football expert since Jerry Rice's rookie year.
If you wish
Hell, I’m married. . .I get called worse things than “the blogger formerly known as Gonzo” on a fairly regular basis. (-:
But with SBNation as a whole getting as big as it is, a lot of the bloggers switched from using “handles” to their actual names, that’s all. Nothing major.
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 3, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok Chris time to take down the
Can the Chicago Bears Succeed Without Jay Cutler? post
Favre + 3 = ❼ = Vikings= 2009-2010 NFL Champions= New Stadium=Greatest Fans and Team!
by UnBannedVikingholic on Jul 3, 2010 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Probably not the worst idea ever
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 3, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't think that post was bad.
Honestly, it’s a valid question, with who our backups are.
That said, you get a lot of man points on this post.
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Stupid babies need the most attention!
I just said it because of the Reason he put it up
Replying to Some other Dumb post on a “Chicago Bear” blog is worthless!
Favre + 3 = ❼ = Vikings= 2009-2010 NFL Champions= New Stadium=Greatest Fans and Team!
by UnBannedVikingholic on Jul 4, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't disagree,
but I thought the post put up at WCG was a valid one, as well. It was posted prior to the flame war, and was gauging the faith in an NFC North opponent, without one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. Personally, I believe that the Vikings will be strong no matter who their starting QB is. A Favre less Vikings’ team is one that will depend on AP more, and that, in my mind, is just as threatening.
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Stupid babies need the most attention!
I actually enjoyed some of that post...
PAD and several others (Including you) of us were having a peaceful conversation… oh well
Ok I have had enough, go ahead and ban me
I haven’t been able to talk football on your site since before the championship game anyway.
were coached to go after a 40-year old quarterback with cheap shot after cheap shot, late hit after late hit, low blow after low blow.
I played football. If you are so childish as to think that players don’t try to hurt players on the other team, then maybe the next time you talk to Santa or the tooth faerie you can ask them to explain why people are just so darn mean.
We improvised, adapted, and overcame. Grow up.
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
by DrWhoDat on Jul 3, 2010 11:39 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
LOL
That was some good humor. So that’s how you describe the lame, unsportsmanlike way your Saints played in the NFC Title game? Interesting slant, that.
If you’re that blind to reality, you may want to check in for a bit with your local psychiatrist to get a reality adjustment. Anyone watching the game could see two things about it, 1. the cheap shot approach used by the lame Saints – thanks to their loser coach’s “must win at all costs” tactics, and 2. the Vikings flat-out outplayed you and you got a very lucky break at the end of the game. I suppose there could be a 3rd thing we saw, 3. Crappy reffing.
Nuff said.
Y'all lost
Nuff said
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
by DrWhoDat on Jul 4, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Zen Quote
“I’ll be back.”
—-Arnold Swarzeneggar as the Terminator – 1984???
No!
——Brett Favre, as the Exterminator – 2010
"No matter where you go....there you are"
Buckaroo Bonzai
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls... dying time's here!
Dr. Dealgood, Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome
"Over? Did you say over? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" "Germans?" "Forget it, he's rolling."
Really?
I played football for ten years, and none of my coaches ever told any of us to injure someone. Sure, it happens, but only dirty, and in my opinion, unprofessional and childish teams do that.
Yes, it’s a violent game, but it shouldn’t be about purposely injuring someone, much less a 40 year old qb.
Honestly, if the Vikings did that, and a player (like Sharper) admitted to it, I would be really embarassed.
But you’re right: the Saints won, even though the Vikings had to help them do it, and the NFL recognized the error of playoff overtime and changed the rule. So enjoy it now. The season, and the Saints inevitable Super Bowl slump, starts soon.
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
by Manimal on Jul 4, 2010 6:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Neither did mine
“I played football for ten years, and none of my coaches ever told any of us to injure someone. Sure, it happens, but only dirty, and in my opinion, unprofessional and childish teams do that.”
I didn’t play past high school, but even we were taught that attempting to injure people on purpose was wrong. Because it is.
I really don’t think many NFL teams are coached to play that way. . .only the “special” ones. I mean, I don’t recall the Vikings hitting Drew Brees 2 or 3 seconds after every pass was released, nor do I recall them diving at his ankles on every drop back. (After all. . .which team was it again that racked up $30K or $40K in fines after the fact for their gutlessness and stupidity? I’m relatively sure it wasn’t Minnesota.)
Maybe the Vikings should have played that way. Obviously it would have been okay with the Saints fans if they had, what with their cavalier attitude about the B.S. their defense pulled that night.
Maybe they should play that way on September 9th. . .see if the Saints can make a repeat run at the Super Bowl with Chase Daniel at quarterback. Because I’m sure that if Ray Edwards took a late dive at Drew Brees and snapped his ankle in half, it would simply be a case of the Vikings “improvising, adapting, and overcoming,” right?
And very few coaches come out and admit to the national media that such a thing is part of the game plan, either. You know, sort of like Gregg Williams did. “Remember me” hits, you say? Yeah. . .cheap shot artists are fairly easy to remember. . .and, seemingly, they always end up getting theirs. I hope that comes to fruition, and I hope it comes courtesy of us.
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 4, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
What goes around comes around.
I know I wouldn’t want to be Drew Brees come the 9th of Sept…
I'm not worried
After all, the Vikings players are all honorable, respectable men who NEVER are excessively mean or harsh, while the Saints are just a bunch of thugs. It’s obviously beneath the dignity of the valiant Vikings players to stoop to such things… and of course, the refs will be there to help out the Saints, because the NFL has decided that the Saints should win the next 5 to 8 Super Bowls.
;)
And you shouldn't be....
…Drew Brees should. :D
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.- Ghandi?
Good thing we’re only talkin’ ankles….
Im pretty sure......
That Bobby McCray was pushed from BEHIND!!! by a Minnie player into Favre’s ankle…..not like I have watched the replay of it about a 1,000 times or anything. If it was a dirty play you should blame your O-Line for pushing our D-Lineman down at Favre’s ankle instead of to the left or right of Favre….Just sayin
yeah, we should have remembered he was 40 and gave him a pass- I guess the cutoff is 36
anyone over 36 – any QB over 36- no contact. Kickers- over 38- punters- I guess 37 and over- no contact. That’s what I’m thinking. Anyone?
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
by Philinwood on Jul 4, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
l'm sure Favre wouldn't accept a pass from you guys anyways.
Big hits on the QB are great when done the right way.
I would prefer that you simply bow when the ball is snapped...
and then bathe in the glory of AP plowing you like topsoil, but that’s probably just me.
I played football for ten years, and none of my coaches ever told any of us to injure someone. Sure, it happens, but only dirty, and in my opinion, unprofessional and childish teams do that.
Let me go out on a limb and guess that you never won any type of championship. I am not counting the little trophies that the “politically correct Yankees” give to their kids for just showing up. All that does is teach kids that, “hey, it is alright to be a loser.”
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
Actually...
State champs my senior year and made it to the playoffs multiple times in college. Never won in college, but no one was intentionally hurt either.
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
by Manimal on Jul 4, 2010 11:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa
You’re saying there are DIRECT LINES to Santa and the tooth fairy?
How come nobody TELLS ME this stuff???
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
by Ted Glover on Jul 4, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this is exactly why you guys never win the big one
you delude yourself into thinking you have the best team all the time when you lose consistently. Winners win losers pretend.
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
I think it's more delusional for Saints fans to deny that Minnesota was the better team.
Although I suppose there are different ways of looking at it. Don’t get me wrong, I see little point in making the distinction. Personally, I think you should just embrace it and point out how completely irrelevant it is… but probably just because that’s what I would do. Either way, how we feel about it has absolutely no bearing on our team’s future ability to win a SB.
What does the "better team" mean?
The team that got more yards? The team that got more turnovers? The team that got more points? The team that played best in the last few minutes? The team that made fewer crucial mistakes? Obviously there are different answers for each of those questions. But you’re kidding yourself if you believe it was OBVIOUS that one team dominated the other in that game, or even obvious that one team was “better” than the other. Want to see a dominant game? Watch either of the NFC Divisional playoff games that preceded the NFCCG.
It was an exciting game with a lot of mistakes on both sides. The Vikings made more mistakes at critical times than the Saints, and the Saints better took advantage of the Vikings mistakes- see what the Saints did with the numerous turnovers from the Vikings vs what the Vikings did with the lone turnover they got from the Saints.
Who knows who would have won if both teams played as as sharp as they did the previous week. Just look at the regular season- the Cards beat the Vikings convincingly, and the Saints just dominated the Cards in the playoffs. In the regular season the Cowboys beat the Saints convincingly, and in the playoffs the ’Boys are destroyed by the Vikings. When playing at the top of their game, both teams were awesome.
Hopefully they’ll be at the top of their game next Sept 9, and we’ll see a great game.
You got that right
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
Hunh?
You should heed your own Hawking quote. Here’s a few facts to dispute your “reasoning”:
Saints all time record – 275-378-5 that’s a 41.79 winning percentage.
Vikings all-time record – 407-326-9 that’s a 54.85 winning percentage
Or maybe the Saints are better than the Vikings head to head.
Nope, H2H Vikings 18 Saints 7
And just for the record Viking’s fans have never had to resort to wearing paper bags on their heads.
Here’s a quote for you – The only thing worse than a poor loser is a poor winner.
Perhaps if the Saints had more experience at winning they might be better at it.
Don't sing it unless you can bring it!
You all have won exactly ONE more Superbowl than we have.
Don’t let it go to your head….
one beats zero EVERY time
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
by Philinwood on Jul 4, 2010 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Dude, you essentially cheer for the NFL
equivalent of a slump buster, with the exception of about three seasons.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
you guys really have problems if this long after the game you are still whining
if it makes you feel better to say “we were better,” then keep saying it. But it only makes you look like the most pitiful fans in the NFL. Favre threw an int – he is the one you should be angry at. He’s a Packer thru and thru. He’s not a Viking. You don’t play 20 years in GB and then all of a sudden one season you are a member of your arch-rival team and now you bleed purple. And he is again jerking around your team about coming back. And none of you guys see that- you are so consumed with venom towards the Saints nd the Packers- he lost the SB and he is sabotaging your team. Your young receivers need all the time they can get with the starting QB- not with some sub.
And psychologically he is destroying your team. 60 guys want to skip preseason but only 1 prima donna gets to.
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
Stating the truth isn't whining
Sorry if you can’t handle it.
Saints fans have a site where they can talk about their team’s alleged greatness. Starting 9 September, the S.S. Irrelevance will be launching another long, slow journey from the Port of New Orleans. And the Vikings will be christening the ship. Oh, and if the captain of the ship gets injured that night, don’t complain one single time about it. After all the time you’ve spent defending the pathetic actions of your team and your coaches, you have no right to do so.
The next thing you post that belittles the Vikings or Vikings fans on this website will be your last.
Have a nice day!
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 4, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Favre is the ultimate competitor and team player.
It would be nice to have him throwing to our receivers in training camp and I would hope he sees the benefit in this as well.
The problem here is taking it personally
Yes, the NFCCG was a weird one. Neither team played as well as they had for much of the season. But the Vikings had PLENTY of opportunity to win, and they fumbled/threw it away, and the Saints capitalized. You can blame the officiating (which every fan from a losing game is wont to due), but I think it’d be more productive to blame your RB’s fumbling, your QB’s last minute interception, and your OL’s failure adequately protect the QB. Our QB threw 0 interceptions- he outplayed yours.
You’re not special. You were a great team last year, and if things had worked differently, you very well may have won a super bowl. As a Saints, fan, the NFCCG was a FAR harder game to win than the Super Bowl- any way you cut it, the Saints and Vikings were the 2 best teams in the NFL last year.
I find it comical and ridiculous when ANY team’s fans get their panties in a bunch over the fans of another team. We’re talking about groups of hundreds of thousands or probably millions of men, women, and children. Individual fans can be jerks or obnoxious, but whole fanbases? That’s just childish. And of course, many fans of all fanbases are guilty of being childish and obnoxious (including my own).
The special part- EVERY team’s fans thinks their team is special. That their team has had a UNIQUE period of injustice, or cosmic retribution- that their team is the team that EVERYONE really in the heart knows is the best at one time or another, but there’s a conspiracy to keep them down.
Football’s a tough sport. In the NFCCG, the Vikings moved the ball better than the Saints, but did not hold on to the ball well enough. Favre made a few bad throws at the wrong times, Brees didn’t. Peterson and others fumbled the ball at the wrong times, the Saints didn’t (besides Bush, and they quickly got it right back). Favre’s an all time great and a warrior, and played through some brutal hits. But he didn’t play well enough to win.
Good luck to you guys. I remember back in the late 80s and 90s, I hated no team like the Vikings, who seemed to have the Saints number (especially in the playoffs!). I remember Anthony Carter burning us BAD. But your team was just more aggressive, and executed better then- they were better than us.
It will be a great game on Sept 9, I hope. We’re kidding ourselves if we think it will be easy, most likely, just like you are if you think the Vikings are WAY better than the Saints. They’re both great teams, and there’s no reason to believe it will be anything but a great game. The Saints Super Bowl win was NOT a fluke. They earned it. They took advantage of opportunities to win- often in dominating fashion, sometimes by the skin of their teeth.
Let’s look forward to a great year of football.
To be honest
I remember back in the late 80s and 90s, I hated no team like the Vikings, who seemed to have the Saints number
Until about three or four years ago, every team had your number. It was scrawled on a bathroom stall with the caption :
Call if you want to abuse a dirty tramp.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Yes, we used to suck, for a long time.
But my wife is hotter than yours ;)
UrWifeMyKids.
Just kiddin’ man. Someone had that username on an online PS3 game I play….thought it was pretty clever.
No kids yet
But I’ll be sure to keep an eye on her…
On second thought
maybe it isn’t even funny….especially if it’s my wife he was talking about.
Wow.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 4, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree we lost because of the TO's.
I just think it was pretty stupid of Gregg Williams to come out and tell the world what his strategy in that game was.
The more I think about it
That’s probably the biggest part of what it is.
Guys taking shots like that is one thing. . .like I said, individual players can go rogue and do that sort of thing.
A coach basically telling the entire world that that was a big part of his game plan? Yeah, that’s a little excessive.
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 4, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Refresh my memory
What did Gregg Williams say beyond something to the affect of “We want to hit the QB, to rattle him, to get him off his game”?
He said
“we are going to be big meanies”
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
Future News Headline
“Jared Allen Finally Stops BP Oil Leak with Drew Brees”
by Elgar on Jul 5, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Williams was an A** for telling the world that. At the level of NFL CG no one needs to give away extra bulletin board material.
Here are some of his quotes
which to me suggest he doesn’t mind coaching his D to play dirty and taking the penalties. Maybe I can forgive him once I take a sip from his skull….
Yeah,
That’s the worst (and probably the only questionable) one I could find too, and it was about Peyton Manning (not Favre). And the Saints pretty much NEVER even HIT Manning!
Oh and I'm just as
angry at our O and D lines for not getting some payback as I am at your DC. Maybe I’ll settle down after my second Bloody….
+1
When your opponent is biting, scratching and pulling hair you gotta realize it’s no longer a boxing match and fight fire with fire. I don’t like Greg Williams or his coaching style, but we all saw the same tactics against Warner, he said they were going to do it to Favre, and then we still came out adhering to “Marquess of Queensbury”… so to speak.
Maybe some of us prefer to feel like we’re above “stooping to that level”, but I would much rather have watched Brees go out on a stretcher. Despite your opinion of that play-style, ultimately, IT WAS NOT THE REASON THAT WE LOST. We readily overcame their defensive tactics, we simply couldn’t hold onto the ball.
Thank god our players aren’t voicing the crybaby crap that many of us are, but I guess they still get the opportunity to say it on the field. Here’s hoping that Brees does go out on a stretcher on Sept 9 and the Saints fans will have their chance to man-up and NOT cry about it. If that does happen, I will feel really good about my statements since the NFCCG.
by Jshore on Jul 4, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Now ya see...
This is a more manly response. Happy 4th.
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
Payback within the rules of the game, of course.
I can see the occasional inadvertant late hit….sometimes you just can’t stop momentum, but it happened well over a few times in that game. One thing I will say is I hope to never see Brett Favre attempt to throw another block. Now that his teammates know he’s “all in” it isn’t necessary.
In a game there are rules.
In a fight you fight to win. No rules. There is a difference.
That's why there are referees.
To enforce the rules of the GAME and I’m not crying, whining, bitching or moaning. As a Vikes fan I’m used to things not going our way. There are going to be bad calls. Refs are human like the rest of us. Championship teams find a way to overcome these obstacles and after everything that happened in that game we still had a chance to win it and couldn’t get it done. Not much has changed for our Vikes, huh?
I was only speaking figuratively...
and I surely hope I didn’t seem to be calling you out KC. In many ways the rules become general guidelines in post-season play. In the NFCCG corners were mugging receivers on both sides the entire game without getting flagged (THIS is why Percy has bulked up so much in my opinion)(this is also why the ticky-tack flags in OT were so hard to fathom). Holding that wasn’t blatant got a pass, and yes even “late hits” tend to get less attention. This is nothing new and is why I love post-season NFL football… it takes every aspect of the game to a higher level.
Well played, sir.
As a resident of the underwhelming cesspool of debauchery that is New Orleans for the past two years, unfortunately, (and a fellow Vikes fan) I share your sentiments about the team and people there. A team that shady and unworthy of respect deserves a fanbase that classless.
And I also rec the ever-loving hell out of this:
Should I be bothered by people who cheer for a team that, knowing they couldn’t beat the Vikings straight-up, were coached to go after a 40-year old quarterback with cheap shot after cheap shot, late hit after late hit, low blow after low blow. . .managed to luckbox their way into five turnovers. . .and still needed a field goal in the worst officiated overtime in NFL history to back into the Super Bowl over a superior team? Particularly considering that most of those “die hard” fans didn’t do a whole lot while their slimy owner attempted to leverage the aftermath of the biggest natural disaster in American history into a move to Los Angeles?
California Golden Blogs! Objectivity. Some journalists have yet to be introduced.
While I'm sure your defensive strategy won't change when we see you in Sept.
Here is what I expect to see our O do to your D. With a little Toby Gerhart in there as well.
Yep, that's what's going to happen
After all, the Saints’ defense didn’t stop us. . .we stopped ourselves.
Although I will say. . .if the Vikings turn it over 5 times in the opener, the Saints will probably win.
Odds of that happening? So miniscule as to not even merit further discussion on the subject.
Since the NFL went to the “defending champion hosts the season opener on Thursday night” format, has the defending champ ever lost the opener? Because if it hasn’t, the Saints will be the first. . .and if there’s already a list, the Saints are going to get added to it.
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 4, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Au contraire,
I believe the Saints will be victorious. Therefore they will be added to the list of defending champions who have won the season opener.
Pas si vite, s'il vous plaît...
C’est le drapeau de Minnesota qui porte le français …et qui portera le jour.
Two things are undeniable...
1. It will be the biggest spectacle and most anticipated match-up since the format began.
2. Minnesota will leave no doubt that we are the better team.
Vikings 31
Saints 13
Has a nice symmetry don’t you think? :D
If the Vikings hold the Saints offense to 13 points that will be something to brag about
in fact, if the Vikings can stop the Saints defense from scoring that will be something.
Saints 31
Vikings 28
Garret Hartley kicks game winner in overtime. The NFL calls an emergency meeting and installs new overtime rules to regular season. Mass hysteria ensues, dogs and cats running around together. The NFL Commissioner is the victim of a Saint suicide bomber. The President calls out the national guard in Minnesota to crush the rioting. I choke on a nacho while laughing uncontrollably at the news.
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
by DrWhoDat on Jul 4, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You mean you expect to see more of this?
Or this
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
by DrWhoDat on Jul 6, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad to hear that Chris
Speaking as one of those who was trying to gently nudge you away from publishing fanpost rebuttals to the nasty email you got. If nothing else, it was counterproductive, it just fed the problem. I hope you realize though, that this post will feed the problem even more, if you do not hold to your resolution. So … Please do
Having myself just succumbed to similar heckling, it took me a while to realize that I lost more than I gained by continually trying to correct my tormentor’s distortions of the truth about what I have said in the past.. It was a hard cycle to break, but I’m glad now I did.
Oh, and one comment on something specific you said:
(Once again, to review, there’s exactly one Packer-based website on the internet that’s worth reading regularly. . .they live right next door to us.)I can’t resist this one. There are better & much more active Packers sites, with long, strong traditions, than Acme. I know you can’t say that because you’re an SBNation employee & all, but … there, I’m not, and I just did. I mean, it’s not even close.
by puddnhead on Jul 4, 2010 2:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Very well said
and with passion to boot. But the Vikes will NEVER win with Favre at the helm. You fans are like alchemists thinking you can manufacture gold. Get an idea – Favre ALWAYS crashes and burns. I am so thankful he is coming back so I can witness it again.
by horace clark on Jul 4, 2010 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And another thing
When he does crash and burn, all of you will disappear like you did after the asskicking the Saints gave your boy. I see you now have balls again before the season. Too funny.
by horace clark on Jul 4, 2010 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL....another Jets fan...
Pissed that Favre couldn’t do anything with their CRAPPY team. LOL. In yo face!
Nobody's gone anywhere
And I certainly hope that somebody saying that we “disappeared” is the dumbest thing I hear today. Or this week. Or this month.
Oh, well. . .unlike the Jets, we never have to worry about being second fiddle in our own town. Talk about something that has to suck.
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 4, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
The real LOL
Is how much better the Jets did when Favre left.
How did he do with you guys? Were you pleased with the NFC championship game?
What’s the one word answer to describe your feelings after the NFC championship game – Pleased or Pissed.
You don’t have to answer – you know as well as I do the truth.
Never will you win with Favre. You guys have derailed your franchise for years by kowtowing to this diva who left you hanging. Wake up fools.
The real LOL
is how much better everyone else is at using the reply button.
-------
Stupid babies need the most attention!
now THAT
made me laugh out loud
I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.
by IABerserker1 on Jul 5, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, really
I mean, after your team got rid of the anchor that was Brett Favre, you guys went from 9-7 all the way to. . .9-7.
(Ignore the fact that in the year you had him, you went from 4-12 to 9-7. Nothing to see there, I’m sure.)
And I guess we can add New York to the list of places that don’t already know that he’s coming back. “Holding us hostage?” “Leaving us hanging?”
Educate yourself.
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 4, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey look it's a classy fan from another team with insightful comments -
showing respect for the fans whose site he is visiting so that he will in turn gain respect and be welcomed. Is it really that hard to grasp?!
I don't know....
How pleased were YOU with the AFC championship game?
DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Memo to LoveBoat1
You bore me.
You’ve been a member of this site since 17 December 2008. You claim to be a Viking fan, but I hardly doubt that any honest-to-goodness Viking fan would pick a handle glorifying one of the darker moments in recent Viking history.
That and the fact that, in the 100 comments you’ve posted on this site, I’m not entirely sure that you’ve ever actually said anything positive or constructive about this team or any of its players, means that it’s time to bid you farewell.
I say "buh," you say "bye."
Buh. . .BYE!
Buh. . .BYE!
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 4, 2010 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Brett .
" G " why do you feel the need to contradict yourself instantaniously ! We won the North in 2008 without Brett . 2009 with Brett . They said he’ld get 2200 yards ,19TD’s,20INT’s . Everyone agreed except Vike fans and opposing coaches . I believe GB once & DAL tried and were blown out in those games . 12 wins . #2 run defense . AP 1300+ . 6WR’s w/40+ catches . Swept GB &DET . Get a bye . Win a playoff game . Saint fans speak about fumbles . Highlights show they all didn’t occur . Brett gets twisted . Replay calls it legal . Illegal the next morning . Brees throws 12yard miss . We request replay . Quick decision called a catch . Non-catch the next morning . Too late the game is over . Change the OT rule even though our team disagrees . Ask any Saints fan about details of the game and they won’t reply . They got a free pass . Why should they admit the truth ? They will never own the truth . We can’t buy it either . I congradulated them by saying hardwork , luck , and execution wins championships .
" G " I have stated several times the lack of Wisdom a fanatic shows . I applaud your tunnel vision .
In the past . GB & CHI fans use to claim their team would go to the Superbowl every year . I don’t here that chatter much anymore . R4F was a Pack fan and you can see with his undieing loyalty to Brett and his new team he shows that extreme tunnel vision . GB & CHI don’t have that swagger . You don’t show it either . In my 18 posts on the Bears site before my warning to exit I learned something . The Bears fans and their Editor don’t have that swagger either . Achme after 76 posts either . They all lack confidence . They all belittle that is expected . They all look for the most minute personal detail to attack . They all set patiently waiting for a mistake . So they can appear superior with a comment . They deflect . They don’t show their cards . All a sign of one thing . Lack of confidence . I deliberately lie , twist ,tell half truths , play Johnny Fairplay on folks to draw out others weakness . That lack of confidence . I defend and bully in the same sentence . I know what it takes to get others testosterone blocked and their estrogen flowing . We all own estrogen fellas . Your just runs wild at times .
Bloggers will be bloggers . Rules will always be hard to enforce without bias . I challenge you to ask a hot topic question . Then don’t comment . Let it run wild . Then critisize only how you felt about not having the power or responsability to alter others . Bleep out the obscene . Don’t move them to the bottom . That shows weakness . It’s like saying your response is bigger than my article . You have more confidence in your site than your team . IMO . A Bear’s fan asked why I thought we would go deep into the playoffs this year ? I said because we went there last year . He gave me a dumb look . I asked why he looked so suprized ? He earlier said he thought his team would go to the Superbowl . But when asked how deep they would go he didn’t know . Lack of confidence. He said in rebuttal that if he didn’t believe his team would go all the way he wouldn’t really be a fan .Confused where I am going . Because you lack confidence .
Brett , as I stated on the Bear’s site brings that confidence with him to every Viking game . But along the way I learned that he has sucked it out of all but a few teams . No team in the North will allow my confidence on their site . They mistake my confidence for bullying . Bullies secretly crave acceptance . I don’t crave acceptance from GB or CHI fans . Hell they fear me . The writer on the CHI story I was kicked out on couldn’t defend his own post . Another had to jump in to save him . Embarassing indeed . Achme was the same . Nobody held an opinion . A complete lack of confidence in the league,their team,and themselves . I admit I have lost confidence in the leagues ability to govern .
You my Editor lack in the confidence to accept other opinions and then disect them just enough to get to the truth of each subject . You have a long way to go to hear my take on the truth . It’s hard enough for you to show confidence in your team and it’s obvious accomplishments . All these non champion teams fans want what they can’t have ?
Anassholesayswhat?
Seriously. I kind of enjoy talking to you most of the time. But this repetitive, rambling, periodically nonsensical post makes you sound like a way bigger jerk than you actually are.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
But HOORAY for the use of the enter key!!!!
Finally, I don’t have to think I am going blind or something… :) Just messing gothic…
by Vikingsfan17 on Jul 6, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
slow clap
I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.
Saint's fans can say whatever but Sept 9th is just two months away
If the Saints can beat us mano a mano then they have bragging rights but after they get creamed they should hold themselves to the standards they want us to hold. I very much look forward to 9/9/10, that’s where are journey begins to a SB title this year.
SKOL VIKINGS!!!
Not that it matters...
But there is one part of your post that needs clarification with regards to the Saints.
And, hey, we’re talking about a group of people that used to show their “support” for their team by walking around with paper bags over their heads. Have we ever stooped to that level? Hell, no. . .we’re better than that.
There was never more than a scant handful of folks that chose to go this route. They were usually the same type of rabid fans that you see dressing in crazy costumes and going all out to show their support. They simply chose to show their displeasure in the same outlandish fashion. The vast majority of fans like myself who had been there since the beginning were always angered by it. They got plenty of press and attention, which makes people believe that they were in the majority. But that is simply NOT the case! I know, because I was there. Just as I will be there on Sept 9, 2010 as we begin our quest for a repeat.
The Vikes do deserve props for fielding a quality competitive team on a consistent basis. I don’t think any fan of football can deny that point, and I think most Saints fans have no problems agreeing with it. Credit where credit is due, if you get my drift…
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
by SaintsFanMD on Jul 5, 2010 6:27 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
"super awesome" defense and their "super awesome" young quarterback
You can put “super awesome” defense in quotes because lets face it our D got TORCHED both games against the Vikings and a few other key games…..however the “super awesome” young quarterback crack is out of line….Rodgers passed for 4434 yards last season even tough our line is as holey as the foam cheeseheads and he got sacked a horrendous FIFTY TIMES!! He also managed to keep his QB rating up at 103.2 for the season and complete an impressive 64.7% of his passes while throwing 34td’s and only 7 picks. All while playing hurt most of the season because of the 50 sacks.
The point of the post is not lost on me……there is NO ROOM for trolling and personal attacks or name calling however………to keep this site part of “one of the top 50 start-up companies to watch in America” we need to stick with facts not opinions that are clearly untrue and just put down to tick off teams fan. (that was the point of the whole post)
Can’t wait for the season to start…..Hope everyone had a safe and great 4th!!!
by greenbay packers backer on Jul 5, 2010 7:20 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rodgers passed for 4434 yards last season even tough our line is as holey as the foam cheeseheads and he got sacked a horrendous FIFTY TIMES!! He also managed to keep his QB rating up at 103.2 for the season and complete an impressive 64.7% of his passes while throwing 34td’s and only 7 picks. All while playing hurt most of the season because of the 50 sacks.
Seriously, Packers fan, Vikings fan, or just any fan period. It’s almost absurd how little credit Rodgers receives from some people almost soley because either he replaced Favre, or is the Qb for a team that certain fans don’t like. His season in 2008 had me convinced that he was going to be the real deal. Then I watched him in 2009 and knew for sure. The fact that some people still talk about him as if he’s “just” a top half Qb in the NFL is pretty ridiculous.
by packallday555 on Jul 7, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I've observed very little dissent for that here at DN
Seriously, I think besides Gonzo & R4F, who else here at DN has trashed Rodgers? I think just the opposite, most give him a lot of respect. Probably more than ever gave the old man when he wore the green & gold, lol.
Who knew the Saints had so many (any) fans?
I guess winning a Super Bowl will bring them out of the woodwork.
Saints players have owned up to going after Favre to try and injure him, so shouldn’t Saints fans be able to do the same? Naahhh, that would be an adult response.
I have rooted for the Vikings for a long time, though not long enough to have been yelling at the TV at a live version of one of their Super Bowl visits. But I have seen some great play over the years, and consistency in winning too. Not many teams have won as many games as consistently as Minnesota. We also haven’t had any of those atrocious 2 or 3 win seasons that most other franchises have witnessed.
That said, the only thing missing is the trophy. So naturally I’m hoping and wishing every season that they finally get a championship because I don’t think there’s a franchise whose fans deserve it more at this point. But It’s getting to where I almost pull for us to win one more because I want obnoxious fans of other teams to shut up about it! No matter what happens in a season, this team or that can always say “we won a SB and you haven’t” It’s annoying as hell.
Saints players have owned up to going after Favre to try and injure him, so shouldn’t Saints fans be able to do the same?
When did anyone say the Saints weren’t trying to knock the snot out of Favre? Am I mistaken in thinking they were actually playing football? I think they did a pretty good job.
Well, if anyone said they were not getting after Favre they are delusional.
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
by DrWhoDat on Jul 5, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
YOU DON'T GO LOW ON A QB & GET AWAY WITH IT..................
but somehow the Saints did!
How would it feel to have Brees taken out on a LOW Tackle to the back side of his legs, and be out for the rest of the 2010 NFL Season?
I didn’t think you would like it.
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 5, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
It wouldn't keep me awake at night
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
It Sure Would!
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 5, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
No matter what happens
You can’t take away the fact that the Saints won the Superbowl. I am happy, and I don’t care who we had to step on to get it.
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams
Why don't you just cede the point?
Didn’t you see his all-caps and exclamation points? You can’t argue with all-caps and exclamation points. Don’t even try.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Caps??????????????????????
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 6, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
All-caps meaning all capital letters.
As in: “YOU DON”T GO LOW ON A QB AND GET AWAY WITH IT" above.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 6, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
So, nothing.
Just a joke, dude.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
OK
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 6, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Saint Fans have blinders on!
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 6, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahaha this is a hilarious comment coming from you!
by packallday555 on Jul 7, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exclamation Points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 6, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
ARE YOU READY TO UNLEASH THE FURY!!!!!
I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.
I, personally, am not ready to unleash the fury.
But that’s just me.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 7, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
You will care on Sept 9th! I Guarantee it!
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 6, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
With any luck
How would it feel to have Brees taken out on a LOW Tackle to the back side of his legs, and be out for the rest of the 2010 NFL Season?
We’ll find out starting on September 10th.
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 6, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Having yelled at the TV through all 4 of our SB losses,
and getting kicked out of my friend’s house by his mom at halftime of the Oakland debacle (I was fine until McClanahan fumbled at their goal-line, which unfortunately was really early in the game), I must correct you regarding what was clearly our lowest point in my experience… 3-13 under Les Steckel. It wasn’t a complete waste however because it was so ugly that Bud Grant actually came back.
Sheeze I loved Bud Grant, still do in fact… wonder how much to hire him to be my dad..?! Maybe he could just come by and watch a Vikes game with me! Oops, sorry, got a bit off topic there…
by Jshore on Jul 5, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I loved Bud Grant too.
And I’m not even a Viking fan. I was always glad when the Vikings lost the title games in the 70’s, but looking back I kinda wish they would have won at least one. This should be the kind of country wear Bud Grant gets to wear a ring.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to know
which Saints players have “owned up to trying to injure” Favre? I don’t mean trying to hit him hard, or get in his head, shake him up, etc. I’m talking actually admitting they tried to injure him. I’m not saying that it’s not possible, just that I certainly haven’t heard anything about it, and I simply can’t believe that could have gotten past me.
The Saints have always had plenty of fans like myself since the beginning. Yes, of course the publicity that comes with having a great season and winning a championship will cause a number of people to climb aboard the bandwagon. But to suggest that our team only has fans because they are winning shows ignorance on your part. If there was no one supporting the team during the early years, how did it continue to exist and thrive? The Saints were the only team we had for some years, and as such meant quite a lot to plenty of people.
My wife and I have always loved football and will watch any game no matter who is playing, because we are fans of the sport. We no longer live in the New Orleans area, but we continue to support the Saints as our “home” team.
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
Replied to Bodysuit Man above
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
See you in September
and October and November and December and January.
The Saints 2010 season will give them the opportunity to experience a season wearing bullseye on their chests. They may even have a rough time matching their 4-2 divisional record from a year ago.
Strength of schedule may not be a great metric but the Saints appear to have the personnel to take advantage of their 22nd SoS position, bullseye not withstanding.
Here are their potential toughest non-division games:
1-Min 2-SF 5-ARI 8-PIT 12-DAL 13-CIN 15-@BAL
That’s five (potentially) tough road games and two home games that aren’t exactly cakewalks. The season opener is going to be a physical rematch of the NFCCG followed by a long road trip for a MNF game with the 49ers – the Saints will need that extra day of rest.
Despite the absence of Warner and Boldin the Cards have plenty of reason to be up for their home game with the Saints. Look for the Steelers to improve their road record from last season and by week 8 Ben will be back in form. In weeks 12 and 13 they have back-to-back road games against two of last years playoff teams and then go back on the road to face another in week 15.
The Saints schedule may not be as easy as it appears. Since the realignment in 2002 no NFC South team has won the division two years in a row. This year looks to be no different.
Don't sing it unless you can bring it!
Chris , back on the subject of the Bear's Catch 22 ???
Bear fans believe they have scored big in free agency . They feel they are capable of being that of the Vikings equal . My first point being . If NO,IND,MIN, then the Jets are the top teams . Thus the only four caught in the catch 22 for free agent acquisition . Then, the se Bear fans will need to go 15-1 or 16-0 with their existing schedules . Two losses and their season is a wash . We got Jared ,Madeau and Johnson . To there Peppers , Harris and 3rd rder . We gained two games and were pleased . They are expecting a 6-7 game swing .
Point two . Along with the fact that I believe , at this time , you lack confidence in your team . But . When we resign AP, Sidney, Chad , Ben , and others you will begin to see why this off season appeared to start off slow . Then ! Wow as each one is signed you will begin to regain your composure . Zen is aways off for you my ancient Bard pal . Wisdom teaches us to prepare for the future . Fanatics like yourself want instant self-gratification . It could be Feb. before all these guys are signed .
Until then don’t get sucked into a Catch 22 with the enemy . They know as each is signed , their teams futures will become non-existant . I said before GB fans are preparing now for 2011 . After two Bears losses they will start to look ahead to 2011 . Detroit is somewhere in the 2015 range ….. Remember . The timetable to the Superbowl is far off .
To Saints bloggers . If we are looking at last years results the Saint don’t match up well with the Vikes . We beat the Lions in a close one . That doesn’t mean thy were good . As for the new year I do believe noise will give the Saints the edge . That is why it is good to see the odds makers seeing the Saints visit HHH Dome in Jan. Since the Falcons and Carolina will creep up on the Saints . So the analysists say . Any let up and Whodat Nation will need to buy their first coat to play in Philly . Can your team win at zero degrees with a swirling 35 miles/hr wind . You may just have to sit this one out if the mighty Packers & Bears host you up North . Pray for this Domer . Because the alternative in 2010 could get cold and ugly for ya . What’s the coldst ya ever got ? 20 . We pray 120 days sometimes up North for a 20 degree day . THis trip to the Ball might not include a pumpkin ! Save your best year for that game in NewYork . Then show what you are made of ???
I must have missed the memo that says I was supposed to prepare now for 2011.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
After week #1 who will ever visit this site ...
Other than are bandwagon converts PAN555 and D.Taylor !!!
Gonzo and Favre
Oh how much your opinion of a guy has swayed…
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2007/9/27/194621/076
"It doesn’t matter if Captain Overrated managed to get Reggie White and Desmond Howard to carry him to a ring while guys like Sir Francis and Dan Marino never got one. Favre couldn’t lift either of their jockstraps, let along carry them."
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2007/4/30/25338/6734
“Poor wittle Brett. He thought he was going to have someone to hitch his wagon to in an attempt to be carried to another title. Hate to break it to you, pal. . .but I’m not sure if Jesus H. Christ himself could carry you to another title. Healing the sick and raising the dead is one thing. . .this, on the other hand, would be WAY above and beyond the call of duty.”
and my personal favorite:
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2006/10/9/1432/99536
"Brett Favre crapping the bed in crunch time. Again. – Yes, not related to this game, per se, but it’s always good to see."
I know you make these ridiculous opinions for web page views and controversy. Congratulations, it’s working.
Now you’re talking about Rodgers as being the most overrated QB in the league. Hilarious man, hilarious. Good luck this year Vikings fans.
Ha!
In professional life you should never bad-mouth your competition… you never know when you may end up working for them. Blogging is different… over-the-top criticism is a literary style! Besides, we all know that Favre became a much better player when he joined the Vikes… ;)
Thanks for the well-wishes and same to you!
It is kind of unbelievable huh? I mean seriously, most overrated Qb in the league?
by packallday555 on Jul 7, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Please take a brief look at this page.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
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While I agree that I may have been better served by other punctuation in my last comment, I still would assert that virtually no one misunderstood me. That’s really all I intended to accomplish, and something which you failed at thoroughly. Having read the “textbook” explanation of accepted usage of “…”, I can only assume you were congratulating me for proper utilization. Thank you. By the way, I think you forgot to hit “reply”…
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